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TENS Digital Pain Relief

Batteries Included Yes
Brand Kinetik
Features of Product TENS has long been known to the medical world. Many physiotherapists and doctors recommend the use of TENS as a drug free alternative to pain relief
Health Monitors List
LED Screen Yes
Number of Settings 6+
Product Depth 6 cm
Product Height 9.2 cm
Product Weight 167
Product Weight Units g
Product Width 16.4 cm


26 Clubcard Points

Cheapest elsewhere £19.99

Free delivery to local store or £5.00 for home delivery
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#2
Doesn't have the boost button by the looks of it, so no good for labour pains
#3
Waste of time, read many previous threads..... it isn't even worth the energy of saying it all again.
Don't say you weren't warned!

BORROW one first before buying, (GP, perhaps or Physiotherapy Depts) although as soon as I have said this, someone will try and convince you you need to SPEND instead of saving your money, but even if you do, look at Lloyds Pharmacy, and waste less money:
eg.
http://www.lloydspharmacy.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=1008&storeId=90&productId=10551&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=28751&top=&top_category=18352&fromPage=&hotspot_prefix=ELECTRICALS
It will be just as feeble as an expensive one! :-(
#4
nihcaj;7390550
Waste of time, read many previous threads..... it isn't even worth the energy of saying it all again.
Don't say you weren't warned!

BORROW one first before buying, (GP, perhaps or Physiotherapy Depts) although as soon as I have said this, someone will try and convince you you need to SPEND instead of saving your money, but even if you do, look at Lloyds Pharmacy, and waste less money:
eg.
http://www.lloydspharmacy.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=1008&storeId=90&productId=10551&langId=-1&parent_category_rn=28751&top=&top_category=18352&fromPage=&hotspot_prefix=ELECTRICALS
It will be just as feeble as an expensive one! :-(


You're entitled to your opinion, obviously, but large numbers of people (including my wife) use TENS machines very successfully for pain control. They're used widely across the NHS and in palliative care (hospices etc) and they do work. If you think otherwise, that's just fine. :roll:
#5
Newbold;7390840
You're entitled to your opinion, obviously, but large numbers of people (including my wife) use TENS machines very successfully for pain control. They're used widely across the NHS and in palliative care (hospices etc) and they do work. If you think otherwise, that's just fine. :roll:


That's missing the entire point of my post.

You do not need to BUY a TENS machine at all, you can easily borrow one to see if you do get any benefit, and if you do buy one, you may well pay less than this one!
#6
nihcaj;7391178
That's missing the entire point of my post.

You do not need to BUY a TENS machine at all, you can easily borrow one to see if you do get any benefit, and if you do buy one, you may well pay less than this one!


I did indeed miss the point of your post. I rather thought from the comment:

It will be just as feeble as an expensive one!


that you were suggesting none of them worked. They do work - but not for every type of pain.
#7
Newbold;7391372
you were suggesting none of them worked. They do work - but not for every type of pain.


I think it is total quackery and snake oil - having been conned into buying one for 80 quid some years back, I know it to be simply placebo, which of course does not work if you do not believe in the concept....HOWEVER ignoring that totally, I am also well aware that for some the placebo effect will have some benefit for some people, I am not even totally immune to that basic concept myself; but bearing in mind that it is quite possible to try these out for nothing, I think it really wise to do just that.

Even if you do pay, pay as little as possible to try them out.- not many people would buy a sports car to learn to drive in, they get a cheap smaller low powered model to give it a go - this is not really any different.

Suggesting the NHS is the arbiter of all treatments that work isn't something I would even begin to counter with reasoned argument though! There is a long long list of treatments that do not work now, and even more discontinued ones that never worked in the past either! :-(
#8
nihcaj;7392429
I think it is total quackery and snake oil - having been conned into buying one for 80 quid some years back, I know it to be simply placebo....... :-(


As I said, you're entitled to your opinion, but just because you think it's quackery and snake oil doesn't actually make it so. And if you said you believed it to be simply a case of placebo, I could happily accept that.

For large numbers of people, including doctors, these machines work, and not by the placebo effect. They don't work for all types of pain, but they work remarkably well for other types.

You may think they don't work - but that is simply your opinion, and one which is not backed up by evidence.
#9
nihcaj
I think it is total quackery and snake oil - having been conned into buying one for 80 quid some years back, I know it to be simply placebo, which of course does not work if you do not believe in the concept....HOWEVER ignoring that totally, I am also well aware that for some the placebo effect will have some benefit for some people, I am not even totally immune to that basic concept myself; but bearing in mind that it is quite possible to try these out for nothing, I think it really wise to do just that.

Even if you do pay, pay as little as possible to try them out.- not many people would buy a sports car to learn to drive in, they get a cheap smaller low powered model to give it a go - this is not really any different.

Suggesting the NHS is the arbiter of all treatments that work isn't something I would even begin to counter with reasoned argument though! There is a long long list of treatments that do not work now, and even more discontinued ones that never worked in the past either! :-(


Oh how joyously wrong you are. TENS is a proven method of blocking the transmission of pain signals, you are correct that it doesn't work for everyone, same for Aspirin etc (also known as snake oil tablets).
If they can be got free from the NHS then why don't you post it? Also, my snake squeaks so if you know of any deals for oil . . . .
#10
blodnik;7395012
If they can be got free from the NHS then why don't you post it?


Because it isn't a "deal" anymore than Laxatives for constipated patients or antibiotics for infections are a "deal"

Nonetheless, they can be obtained on loan for free, and if they are then so wonderful, you buy one.
How more obvious than that does it ahve to be?

Besides, what is so scary about encouraging people NOT to spend money?
#11
Haven't got time to be scared, looking for ahve in the dictionary. As for the antibiotics etc (I avoided the obvious comments regarding laxatives), most people have to pay for prescriptions so they are not free.
#12
Newbold;7393065
As I said, you're entitled to your opinion, but just because you think it's quackery and snake oil doesn't actually make it so. And if you said you believed it to be simply a case of placebo, I could happily accept that.

For large numbers of people, including doctors, these machines work, and not by the placebo effect. They don't work for all types of pain, but they work remarkably well for other types.

You may think they don't work - but that is simply your opinion, and one which is not backed up by evidence.


I seem to remember you saying this sort of thing before, yet you don't seem to be able to prove it then either.eg.
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/503676/half-price-tens-machines-from-19-99
and previous threads go into it as much, or more than I want to. I really don't give a monkey's whether you think they work or not, I just don't want any more people to be ripped off when there is an easy alternative that you and one or two other people are so opposed to

Homoeopathic "remedies" they don't work either, and it is interesting to see companies make money out of those too, there is plenty of precedence for taking money off people for no good reason eg. http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/142635/Homeopathy-Alternative-medicines-don-t-work-say-Boots/

:-(
#13
blodnik;7395255
Haven't got time to be scared, looking for ahve in the dictionary. As for the antibiotics etc (I avoided the obvious comments regarding laxatives), most people have to pay for prescriptions so they are not free.


Is that supposed to be an argument to counter what I said?
#14
nihcaj;7395263
.......I really don't give a monkey's whether you think they work or not, I just don't want any more people to be ripped off when there is an easy alternative that you and one or two other people are so opposed to........
:-(


What's the easy alternative you seem to think I'm so opposed to, then? All I'm saying is that you're misguided and plain wrong if you think TENS machines are snake oil, quackery and placebos.

If people can get one free under the NHS, of course that's better than buying one - nobody's said otherwise. All we're saying is that your comments about snake oil and quackery are nonsense. Talk to your GP, your local hospice, a Marie Curie palliative care nurse, or someone who really understands pain control, and they'll put you right. ;-)
#15
nihcaj
Is that supposed to be an argument to counter what I said?


Yep - prescriptions are not free for everyone throughout the UK. And having phoned my local pain management clinic I was told that they hire them - not free either.
#16
blodnik;7397662
Yep - prescriptions are not free for everyone throughout the UK. And having phoned my local pain management clinic I was told that they hire them - not free either.


the point I was making was that you do not seem to understand.
You are comparing apples to oranges, so still don't understand.
#17
Newbold;7396129
Talk to your GP, your local hospice, a Marie Curie palliative care nurse, or someone who really understands pain control, and they'll put you right. ;-)


Ah... that's what I was saying.
Point made then.
#18
Newbold;7396129
What's the easy alternative you seem to think I'm so opposed to, then? All I'm saying is that you're misguided and plain wrong if you think TENS machines are snake oil, quackery and placebos.

If people can get one free under the NHS, of course that's better than buying one - nobody's said otherwise. All we're saying is that your comments about snake oil and quackery are nonsense. Talk to your GP, your local hospice, a Marie Curie palliative care nurse, or someone who really understands pain control, and they'll put you right. ;-)


nihcaj;7398302
Ah... that's what I was saying.
Point made then.


Yes indeed - point made. This is what you were saying, and I quote:

I think it is total quackery and snake oil - having been conned into buying one for 80 quid some years back, I know it to be simply placebo
#19
nihcaj
the point I was making was that you do not seem to understand.
You are comparing apples to oranges, so still don't understand.


Correct, I don't understand your point, you seem to have a very negative almost cynical view that we are all supposed to accept. TENS works for some, doesn't work for others. If the NHS supply (or loan) them for free near you, please accept that they don't across all of the country. Hence a good price may be a deal for some, that is the point of this website and the posts made by people in good faith.

As for apples and oranges, I prefer pears. :thumbsup:
#20
blodnik;7405960
Correct, I don't understand your point, you seem to have a very negative almost cynical view that we are all supposed to accept.


I can't do much about you powers of comprehension, I thought it was a moderately straightforward point, and I thought I had said anough on the issue to be clear, but apparently not!

I am really pointing out options for other people, who might be interested in weighing up the evidence on these things, I am clearly not going to get the point across to someone who ignores the masses of evidence that is out there.

So, for the benefit of the open minded, I suggest people do some research on TENS themselves, I am confident that they will find at best it is a placebo based "treatment." (and for some types of pain, it seems not to work even via that route!) There is no physical pain relief in the conventional sense of what people would think of as a treatment as it depends totally on the individual being "treated," not the product itself.

Cynical? Yes, perhaps - that is as a result of having been conned in the past with it (and then it was not NEARLY so easy to find the truth then, the Internet was in it's infancy, and we didn't all have easy access to technical and user sources as we do now!) I get very annoyed when people push their hidden agenda with others encouraging them to ignore the evidence, and rush them into wasting their money, even though everyone on here has access to the evidence if only they take the time to research it.

I say hidden agenda, as people act as if they were making money out of selling these things, they are so evangelistic about it - surely not everyone is making moolah out of it!

If pain sufferers still want to try out that placebo effect, (and I understand perfectly the desire for pain relief!) and whether or not it will work for them, it can be done for free, although obviously it will take a little bit of arranging. If you are willing to pay (for the convenience of getting it quickly) then VERY cheap options exist, nationally from Lloyds Chemist - the technology is actually very simple, therefore the units can be made very cheaply, so their price is not a surprise.

I point out the well documented reality, and I spell out the options even if you ignore that evidence.
Why?
I was ripped off, I don't want others to be, even though the gadgets are cheaper now than back then.

You choose to ignore the reality, and encourage people to limit their options too.
Why? What's in it for YOU?

Let's get down to the real issue here - What seems to offend people is the well documented concept that TENS does not work other than by initialising the placebo effect, so it inevitably becomes a personal issue to some people:

Someone suggesting that it is their imagination that is reducing pain is an affront to them - it is simply something they cannot handle.


There is nothing new about using imagination to reduce pain, it's a long standing concept, in the past people didn't seem to get so uptight about it, nor did they necessarily build an entire industry around it!

I think the potentially interested parties will have got the message by now, it's not even a thread that has displayed much interest, & there have been so many of these "deals" in the past, just about everyone will have tried them or discounted them by now!
#21
Sorry mate, don't agree, evidence is inconclusive rather than conclusive that it doesn't work, your bitterness towards it seems to come from finding out that it doesn't work for you and that you paid for the unit, obviously what hurts is you now know you could have got one for free.

I will stop now as I seem to have touched a nerve! Happy New Year.
#22
blodnik;
7410643I will stop now as I seem to have touched a nerve! Happy New Year.


YOU have touched a nerve?

Don't kid yourself, I put it in bold text!

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