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#1
Can anyone tell me if these will work faster than a Sandisk Extreme II card and if so I would see a noticable difference in my EOS400d??
#2
frakison;3010677
Can anyone tell me if these will work faster than a Sandisk Extreme II card and if so I would see a noticable difference in my EOS400d??


I would expect these to be around the same speed however, you wouldn't notice the difference on your camera at all in my experience. Most lower-end DSLRs won't take advantage of the card's extra speed because the potential data transfer capabilities of these cards way exceeds the maximum write speeds of the camera. As long as you use a good brand, reliable card you shouldn't see any real speed difference going from one to the next.

The only place you'll notice a difference is when transferring files to a PC; a faster card will take less time to transfer the images. That's about it. Only worth it for you if you could use the extra space or having a second card would be useful, otherwise I wouldn't bother.
#3
Not knocking the OP but rather than carry 2 cards you can always go for:
http://www.mymemory.co.uk/Compact-Flash-Cards/MyMemory/MyMemory-PRO-Compact-Flash-Cards-%28133X%29

i have 2 of these ones that cover me for the weddings i shoot. Like poison said, you won't notice on the camera. I have a few extreme II cards too and there's so little difference that it's barely noticable.
#4
shutdown
Not knocking the OP but rather than carry 2 cards....i have 2 of these ones that


Lol
#5
shutdown;3011083
Not knocking the OP but rather than carry 2 cards you can always go for:
http://www.mymemory.co.uk/Compact-Flash-Cards/MyMemory/MyMemory-PRO-Compact-Flash-Cards-%28133X%29


I carry two myself as I like to know I have a back up were I to do something silly like lose one or drop it in water (not that that would ever happen if you only had one and kept it in the camera!) or it became corrupt. All very unlikely though. If I'm doing two different shoots/events/location between PC transfers I like to use a different card for each for some reason.
#6
PoisonJam
I would expect these to be around the same speed however, you wouldn't notice the difference on your camera at all in my experience. Most lower-end DSLRs won't take advantage of the card's extra speed because the potential data transfer capabilities of these cards way exceeds the maximum write speeds of the camera. As long as you use a good brand, reliable card you shouldn't see any real speed difference going from one to the next.

The only place you'll notice a difference is when transferring files to a PC; a faster card will take less time to transfer the images. That's about it. Only worth it for you if you could use the extra space or having a second card would be useful, otherwise I wouldn't bother.


Thanks for that, my card does take ages to transfer (well not really but Im an impatient so and so!!) and if I wont see a write speed increase it seems like £20 I could put to better use on a "nifty fifty" for a wedding next year (they are supposed to make this camera really perform arent they??)
#7
shutdown
Not knocking the OP but rather than carry 2 cards you can always go for:
http://www.mymemory.co.uk/Compact-Flash-Cards/MyMemory/MyMemory-PRO-Compact-Flash-Cards-%28133X%29

i have 2 of these ones that cover me for the weddings i shoot. Like poison said, you won't notice on the camera. I have a few extreme II cards too and there's so little difference that it's barely noticable.


What about the Extreme III? would that be the same principle or would that increase my write speed from cam to card? (sorry for being thick but Im not a pro, just want to get the best from what I have).
#8
frakison;3011781
What about the Extreme III? would that be the same principle or would that increase my write speed from cam to card? (sorry for being thick but Im not a pro, just want to get the best from what I have).


Again, you won't notice this on camera. Exact same rules apply for faster cards, your camera is still the bottleneck so won't make a difference. Writes to PC will be slightly quicker.

I use a 50mm 1.8f Nikkor on my D70s and wouldn't ever let it go. I always carry it with me in my kit bag and it's so light and doesn't take up much space anyway. I actually bought my camera second hand and this was the only lens I had at the time so it was an excellent learning platform.
#9
If you'd rather have one 8GB card then MyMemory sells a Lexar one here: http://www.mymemory.co.uk/Compact-Flash-Cards/Lexar/Lexar-8GB-80X-Premium-II-CompactFlash-Card for £20.
#10
"Again, you won't notice this on camera. Exact same rules apply for faster cards, your camera is still the bottleneck so won't make a difference. Writes to PC will be slightly quicker.

I use a 50mm 1.8f Nikkor on my D70s and wouldn't ever let it go. I always carry it with me in my kit bag and it's so light and doesn't take up much space anyway. I actually bought my camera second hand and this was the only lens I had at the time so it was an excellent learning platform."


Only thing is, Im a novice and rely heavily on the zoom to get the picture I want. I know that the quality of the 50mm and the mp of the cam should enable me to crop to get the desired result with long shots but what about short distance? (i.e. 18mm - 55mm kit lense may be cack but it means I can get close without moving back and forth). In your (valued) opinion would I be best to go for the 1.8 50mm OR a Tamron zoom (I think it was up to 70mm but not sure where it started)
#11
PoisonJam;3010778
I would expect these to be around the same speed however, you wouldn't notice the difference on your camera at all in my experience. Most lower-end DSLRs won't take advantage of the card's extra speed because the potential data transfer capabilities of these cards way exceeds the maximum write speeds of the camera. As long as you use a good brand, reliable card you shouldn't see any real speed difference going from one to the next.

The only place you'll notice a difference is when transferring files to a PC; a faster card will take less time to transfer the images. That's about it. Only worth it for you if you could use the extra space or having a second card would be useful, otherwise I wouldn't bother.

Depends what you're shooting I guess - when doing multiple shots in RAW on my 350d I can certainly tell a BIG difference betweeen my Kingston ultimate and slower cards
#12
Without wanting to turn this into a photography forum, whats the benefit of RAW??
#13
frakison;3012429
Without wanting to turn this into a photography forum, whats the benefit of RAW??

A raw file is one that has been untouched by the camera, it's sort of a digital negative that you process later on your PC rather than the camera do so as you take the picture. The advantage is you get more flexibility for your exposure, white balance and most other parameters as when the camera saves as a jpg it has to use some parameters which can't be changed later.

John
#14
frakison;3012045
"Again, you won't notice this on camera. Exact same rules apply for faster cards, your camera is still the bottleneck so won't make a difference. Writes to PC will be slightly quicker.

I use a 50mm 1.8f Nikkor on my D70s and wouldn't ever let it go. I always carry it with me in my kit bag and it's so light and doesn't take up much space anyway. I actually bought my camera second hand and this was the only lens I had at the time so it was an excellent learning platform."

Only thing is, Im a novice and rely heavily on the zoom to get the picture I want. I know that the quality of the 50mm and the mp of the cam should enable me to crop to get the desired result with long shots but what about short distance? (i.e. 18mm - 55mm kit lense may be cack but it means I can get close without moving back and forth). In your (valued) opinion would I be best to go for the 1.8 50mm OR a Tamron zoom (I think it was up to 70mm but not sure where it started)


I'm not sure of the optical quality of the 50mm F1.8 as it's the budget 50mm, it is a good focal length and aperture for portrait shots as with the wide aperture you can get a shallow depth of field and also good low light capability. However this also works against you as wiht a shallow depth of field you need to be really careful with your focus. The 50mm F1.4 which is the more expensive version (probably similar optically) is soft wide open and needs to be stopped down even on APS-C to get decent sharpness.

You can use the lens as a short telephoto with cropping but as you've said you've no wide angle capability which means the lens is limited use on its own. It's a decent lens to have though and I've never regretted buying the version for the SLR system I use.

John
#15
Its all so confusing. As soon as I've finished my diploma Im going to have to commit some serious time to learning all of this!! (especially as bride and groom of the wedding Im attending next year seem to want to rely on me!!!!).

Thanks for your help John!
#16
45ure;3012375
Depends what you're shooting I guess - when doing multiple shots in RAW on my 350d I can certainly tell a BIG difference betweeen my Kingston ultimate and slower cards


That's quite true. I forgot about successive shooting in RAW. Personally I never find myself doing it and figured this would be the case with the poster asking the questions if I'm honest. But that's kinda what I meant when I said as long as it's a good card there's not a lot between them :)
#17
frakison;3012657
Its all so confusing. As soon as I've finished my diploma Im going to have to commit some serious time to learning all of this!! (especially as bride and groom of the wedding Im attending next year seem to want to rely on me!!!!).

Thanks for your help John!


I honestly recommend you suggest otherwise to them unless you're very confident. It's a lot of responsibility to take on and it's something they'll look back on for a lifetime. A real once in a lifetime event. I was asked a similar favour by friends but I said I'd much rather they hired a pro and I'd still take more personal shots (from a friend's perspective who knows them well) alongside the pro.

If you do go ahead with it you'll need a very good (read:expensive) flash as well as some good glass if you don't already have any. I'd also recommend taking along a laptop to check your first few shots as the small LCD can make things look deceivingly good as there's no detail - though I'd recommend resetting the camera to defaults after every shoot anyway and going from there.
#18
only do the weddin shoot if you feel comfortable doing it. you get one shot to get it right but everyone has to start somewhere and you do learn as you go along but you still need that confidence in your ability to take that first step.

and where i said rather than have 2 cards but take 2 8gig cards...agreed it seemed backwards but 2 8gigs will cover a long wedding and there's little risk of filling a card at that crucial moment. Although if i buy the new 5D at 21mp i think this could be filling cards up a lot quicker :)
1 Like #19
PoisonJam;3012781
I honestly recommend you suggest otherwise to them unless you're very confident. It's a lot of responsibility to take on and it's something they'll look back on for a lifetime. A real once in a lifetime event. I was asked a similar favour by friends but I said I'd much rather they hired a pro and I'd still take more personal shots (from a friend's perspective who knows them well) alongside the pro.

If you do go ahead with it you'll need a very good (read:expensive) flash as well as some good glass if you don't already have any. I'd also recommend taking along a laptop to check your first few shots as the small LCD can make things look deceivingly good as there's no detail - though I'd recommend resetting the camera to defaults after every shoot anyway and going from there.


I very much agree with this, I only do weddings if the person just cannot pay for a full blown pro (which are extremely expensive here) as I do have a good range of high grade SLR equipment (10K+)and before doing the first one I'd shot a couple of weddings just when attending them as a friend/family member. Shooting a wedding can bring a lot of challenges, churches are often poorly lit and don't allow flashes, the black of the groom's suit and the white of the bride's gown makes it very easy to blow highlights (was alarmed to see this on a friend's wedding they'd paid rather a lot to have a pro do!). Last September I had no luck with the weather, it started off sunny during the church part which was good but as the afternoon progressed (the rest of it was outside) it got wetter and wetter. Thankfully I took a waterproof SLR with me which took a soaking but worked flawlessly!

I'm not saying you need expensive equipment to do a wedding but it is something you have to be careful with, I've been lucky in that the people I have done shots for have just been pleased to get a good selection of pictures which were of better quality than any of the compacts could do that were there.

If you fancy discussing any part of photography or any questions you think I can help with, please feel free to drop me a PM.

John
1 Like #20
Thanks John and Poisonjam for your advice. I totally agree and have told them this, its a Gretner Green wedding and apparently they include photography as part of the package. Only thing is that they have been told that the photographer only takes a limited number of pix to choose from. They have basically seen my DSLR and assumed that 1. It must be good as it looks like a proper camera and 2. I can use it. Unfortunately wrong on both counts, dont get me wrong the 400d is a MASSIVE step up from my compact Nikon 4300 (which I loved!) and I truly love it! HOWEVER, listening to you guys makes me realise that I have a LOT to learn and theres no way I can commit any time until I finish my studies.

Im going to try to really get to know the cam in the new year when my diploma is complete, maybe enrol in a course and get a new lense (though it wont be L series or anything, wife nearly killed me for spending £350 on this one.... she didnt realise it was the tip of the iceberg!!!). Thanks again for your input, I will most likely take up your offer of pm advice John!!! :thumbsup:
1 Like #21
frakison;3016322
Thanks John and Poisonjam for your advice. I totally agree and have told them this


Don't take it to heart though :)

I'm not much further on than you by the sounds of it and I feel like I need to go on a course, too. Everything I learned so far has been self-taught just by reading things on the internet and in magazines over the last few months. I'm good at picking up the technical stuff because I'm that way inclined but I have a long way to go to learn the finer details about composure. John clearly has a lot more experience than either of us and we both have a long way to go to reach his level! I often find that more experienced photographers like Joan are often happy to share their knowledge with us beginners.

Check out the Photography section on the AV Forums - it's a good place to go for tips and inspiration.
1 Like #22
You can take courses and pay out quite a bit of money towards these things but I found just getting out with a camera and just learning it yourself. The net is just the dogs danglies for information and resources on teaching you photography. Find places that have forums, ask for tips and advice and don't be afraid to share a photo and ask for feedback about it. we all had to start somewhere. A place i sometimes visit is [url]www.tipsfromthetopfloor.com[/url] it's a podcast as well as a great forum.

This has been my first professional year as a freelance photographer and i've loved every minute even though it can be rather stressful when you're at a wedding, but i like that as it keeps me on my toes.

feel free to ask questions here too
#23
PoisonJam
Don't take it to heart though :)

I'm not much further on than you by the sounds of it and I feel like I need to go on a course, too. Everything I learned so far has been self-taught just by reading things on the internet and in magazines over the last few months. I'm good at picking up the technical stuff because I'm that way inclined but I have a long way to go to learn the finer details about composure. John clearly has a lot more experience than either of us and we both have a long way to go to reach his level! I often find that more experienced photographers like Joan are often happy to share their knowledge with us beginners.

Check out the Photography section on the AV Forums - it's a good place to go for tips and inspiration.


Will do that :thumbsup: every bit of info helps!!
#24
shutdown
You can take courses and pay out quite a bit of money towards these things but I found just getting out with a camera and just learning it yourself. The net is just the dogs danglies for information and resources on teaching you photography. Find places that have forums, ask for tips and advice and don't be afraid to share a photo and ask for feedback about it. we all had to start somewhere. A place i sometimes visit is [url]www.tipsfromthetopfloor.com[/url] it's a podcast as well as a great forum.

This has been my first professional year as a freelance photographer and i've loved every minute even though it can be rather stressful when you're at a wedding, but i like that as it keeps me on my toes.

feel free to ask questions here too


Thanks for that, I've already learned so much by just messing with the settings and trying to stay away from that ever inviting "Auto" setting.... your help and advice is appreciated, will look at that site later :thumbsup:
#25
Anyway, about the CF Cards . . . . . . . . . lol

Cant seem to get the free delivery code to work, it says accepted, but the postage still appears in the checkout
#26
smoggieboon
Anyway, about the CF Cards . . . . . . . . . lol

Cant seem to get the free delivery code to work, it says accepted, but the postage still appears in the checkout


Sorry smoggieboon, kinda hijacked this thread!! :-D
#27
no probs, just skitting . . . we were all novices once

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