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LENOVO B50-35 23'' Touchscreen All-in-One PC £599.99 @ PCWorld - £499.99 after claiming back VAT

£599.99 @ PC World
Type All-in-one Operating system Windows 8.1 SPECIFICATION Processor AMD A10-7800 APU (3.5 GHz, 3.9 GHz with TurboCore, 4 MB cache) RAM 8 GB DDR3 Storage 1 TB HDD, 7200 rpm SCREEN Screen si…
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Type All-in-one
Operating system Windows 8.1

SPECIFICATION
Processor AMD A10-7800 APU (3.5 GHz, 3.9 GHz with TurboCore, 4 MB cache)
RAM 8 GB DDR3
Storage 1 TB HDD, 7200 rpm

SCREEN
Screen size 23.8"
Screen type IPS
Resolution 1920 x 1080
Touchscreen 10-point multitouch screen
Screen features LED backlighting

CONNECTIVTY
Wireless 802.11 b/g/n
Ethernet Gigabit Ethernet (10/100/1000)
Bluetooth Bluetooth 4.0
USB - USB 3.0 x 2
- USB 2.0 x 3
Video interface - HDMI x 1 (output)
- HDMI x 1 (input)
Audio interface 3.5 mm jack

MEDIA
Optical drive DVD/RW
Memory card reader 6-in-1 memory card reader

SOUND
Sound Dolby Home Theatre
Speakers Integrated JBL speakers

FEATURES
Camera Integrated 2.0 MP webcam
Microphone Yes
Mouse / trackpad USB mouse
Keyboard USB mouse
Security features Security lock slot

GENERAL
Colour Black
Box contents - Lenovo B50-35 23'''''''' Touchscreen All-in-One
- AC power adapter
- USB mouse
- USB keyboard
Dimensions 470 x 581 x 205 mm (H x W x D)
Weight 8.6 kg
Manufacturer’s guarantee 1 year
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#1
Fair price, but why anyone would want to but one of these all in one systems is beyond me.
#2
ColinB1984
Fair price, but why anyone would want to but one of these all in one systems is beyond me.

Never had one, yet, but would be grateful if you could explain your reasons against it and also could you post a link to a desktop package of similar spec for the same money that you would recommend as i am needing a new PC (not a laptop).
#3
greyfergie
ColinB1984
Fair price, but why anyone would want to but one of these all in one systems is beyond me.

Never had one, yet, but would be grateful if you could explain your reasons against it and also could you post a link to a desktop package of similar spec for the same money that you would recommend as i am needing a new PC (not a laptop).

It depends on your needs. The only positive I could give these machines is that they save on space. That's it! For this kind of money you would be so much better off with the below. Sure, you then have to buy a Monitor, but depending on what size you would like you can pick a decent one up from as little as £80.

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/medion-akoya-desktop-i5-quad-core-8-gb-gtx760-graphics-available-for-505-after-discount-2070208#comments

Edited By: ColinB1984 on Dec 02, 2014 14:24
#4
ColinB1984
greyfergie
ColinB1984
Fair price, but why anyone would want to but one of these all in one systems is beyond me.

Never had one, yet, but would be grateful if you could explain your reasons against it and also could you post a link to a desktop package of similar spec for the same money that you would recommend as i am needing a new PC (not a laptop).

It depends on your needs. The only positive I could give these machines is that they save on space. That's it! For this kind of money you would be so much better off with the below. Sure, you then have to buy a Monitor, but depending on what size you would like you can pick a decent one up from as little as £80.

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/medion-akoya-desktop-i5-quad-core-8-gb-gtx760-graphics-available-for-505-after-discount-2070208#comments

Thanks for the reply and will have a proper look later but at first glance it looks like it is going to work out at least a £100 more than the deal i posted so not really comparable price ways although may have a better spec.
#5
greyfergie
ColinB1984
greyfergie
ColinB1984
Fair price, but why anyone would want to but one of these all in one systems is beyond me.

Never had one, yet, but would be grateful if you could explain your reasons against it and also could you post a link to a desktop package of similar spec for the same money that you would recommend as i am needing a new PC (not a laptop).

It depends on your needs. The only positive I could give these machines is that they save on space. That's it! For this kind of money you would be so much better off with the below. Sure, you then have to buy a Monitor, but depending on what size you would like you can pick a decent one up from as little as £80.

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/medion-akoya-desktop-i5-quad-core-8-gb-gtx760-graphics-available-for-505-after-discount-2070208#comments

Thanks for the reply and will have a proper look later but at first glance it looks like it is going to work out at least a £100 more than the deal i posted so not really comparable price ways although may have a better spec.

I agreed that the GTX760 is way faster but this one is all-in-one with touch screen function, saving a lot space and tidy, therefore for different market.
#6
greyfergie
ColinB1984
greyfergie
ColinB1984
Fair price, but why anyone would want to but one of these all in one systems is beyond me.

Never had one, yet, but would be grateful if you could explain your reasons against it and also could you post a link to a desktop package of similar spec for the same money that you would recommend as i am needing a new PC (not a laptop).

It depends on your needs. The only positive I could give these machines is that they save on space. That's it! For this kind of money you would be so much better off with the below. Sure, you then have to buy a Monitor, but depending on what size you would like you can pick a decent one up from as little as £80.

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/medion-akoya-desktop-i5-quad-core-8-gb-gtx760-graphics-available-for-505-after-discount-2070208#comments

Thanks for the reply and will have a proper look later but at first glance it looks like it is going to work out at least a £100 more than the deal i posted so not really comparable price ways although may have a better spec.

Unless you really need to save space then it would be worth every penny of the extra £100. Also, cash back from these companies is usually an absolute ball ache to go through to make sure you do get it back, it's worth keeping that in mind.

Edited By: ColinB1984 on Dec 02, 2014 14:43
#7
And don't forget the £10 cashback from American Express.
#8
Agreed, not a fan of cashback - if it were 500 straight then it would be a better deal.

One option if you want a similar small footprint is a monitor + NUC/Brix or similar ITX case. You may even fit a dedicated GPU in some and then you can change monitor/box as needed in the future. It will work out more expensive though, the small boxes command a premium...
#9
ColinB1984
Fair price, but why anyone would want to but one of these all in one systems is beyond me
They have there place -bought one for my six year old to sit in the bedroom with only 3 connections that could be pulled on (power,keyboard, mouse) taking minimal space and not having to supervise use on the more serious desktop or the laptop.
#10
Bertz99
ColinB1984
Fair price, but why anyone would want to but one of these all in one systems is beyond me
They have there place -bought one for my six year old to sit in the bedroom with only 3 connections that could be pulled on (power,keyboard, mouse) taking minimal space and not having to supervise use on the more serious desktop or the laptop.

Yeah, obviously they do have a place or else they wouldn't bother making them, but I should imagine that place is somewhat limited. This isn't a bad price if you can sort out the cashback but they are usually expensive, very expensive for the specs you actually get with them.
#11
ColinB1984
Bertz99
ColinB1984
Fair price, but why anyone would want to but one of these all in one systems is beyond me
They have there place -bought one for my six year old to sit in the bedroom with only 3 connections that could be pulled on (power,keyboard, mouse) taking minimal space and not having to supervise use on the more serious desktop or the laptop.

Yeah, obviously they do have a place or else they wouldn't bother making them, but I should imagine that place is somewhat limited. This isn't a bad price if you can sort out the cashback but they are usually expensive, very expensive for the specs you actually get with them.
Make up your mind then - first you quote "its beyond you" - I give an example how it fits in my case (can think of others that are also obvious but was grounding it) and now you go "obvious they have their place otherwise they wouldn't make them" - so which is it obvious or beyond you? :P
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Bertz99
ColinB1984
Bertz99
ColinB1984
Fair price, but why anyone would want to but one of these all in one systems is beyond me
They have there place -bought one for my six year old to sit in the bedroom with only 3 connections that could be pulled on (power,keyboard, mouse) taking minimal space and not having to supervise use on the more serious desktop or the laptop.

Yeah, obviously they do have a place or else they wouldn't bother making them, but I should imagine that place is somewhat limited. This isn't a bad price if you can sort out the cashback but they are usually expensive, very expensive for the specs you actually get with them.
Make up your mind then - first you quote "its beyond you" - I give an example how it fits in my case (can think of others that are also obvious but was grounding it) and now you go "obvious they have their place otherwise they wouldn't make them" - so which is it obvious or beyond you? :P

Haha! Okay, what I should have said originally is that they have a very limited market, are usually massively over-priced in regards to their specifications and it's beyond me why any normal person would consider one of these UNLESS they are desperate to save a bit of space or worried about children doing damage. :)
#13
ColinB1984
Bertz99
ColinB1984
Bertz99
ColinB1984
Fair price, but why anyone would want to but one of these all in one systems is beyond me
They have there place -bought one for my six year old to sit in the bedroom with only 3 connections that could be pulled on (power,keyboard, mouse) taking minimal space and not having to supervise use on the more serious desktop or the laptop.

Yeah, obviously they do have a place or else they wouldn't bother making them, but I should imagine that place is somewhat limited. This isn't a bad price if you can sort out the cashback but they are usually expensive, very expensive for the specs you actually get with them.
Make up your mind then - first you quote "its beyond you" - I give an example how it fits in my case (can think of others that are also obvious but was grounding it) and now you go "obvious they have their place otherwise they wouldn't make them" - so which is it obvious or beyond you? :P

Haha! Okay, what I should have said originally is that they have a very limited market, are usually massively over-priced in regards to their specifications and it's beyond me why any normal person would consider one of these UNLESS they are desperate to save a bit of space or worried about children doing damage. :)
Funny not sure I agree with your definition of normality but hey ho am amused by it :)
#14
ColinB1984
Haha! Okay, what I should have said originally is that they have a very limited market, are usually massively over-priced in regards to their specifications and it's beyond me why any normal person would consider one of these UNLESS they are desperate to save a bit of space or worried about children doing damage. :)

Not a computer techie by any means but i thought the spec on this was actually half decent.
Can you tell me what it is that is so bad about the spec?
I don't mean to be pedantic but i asked you originally to post a link up to a similar spec desktop package and you did not and surely it should not be a problem as it is "over priced" and "under spec"



Edited By: greyfergie on Dec 02, 2014 18:25: missed out quotes
suspended#15
greyfergie
Not a computer techie by any means but i thought the spec on this was actually half decent.
Can you tell me what it is that is so bad about the spec?
"Processor AMD"

A decent computer worth it's salt will have an Intel Core CPU (Pentium CPU inside would be so-and-so).
#16
greyfergie
Not a computer techie by any means but i thought the spec on this was actually half decent.
Can you tell me what it is that is so bad about the spec?

Grey for an all in one this is not a bad spec - most All in ones (AIO) are based on laptop specifications for low power draw - plus points on your post include a 7200rpm HDD (other budget AIO go for slower 5400), the touch screen (£150 minimum for a stand alone touch monitor for a desktop)

The CPU (or APU as AMD call it) is an all rounder good cpu

It is not going to blast through workstation applications like an Intel i7 with a quadro graphics card that your art/video studio spend 1000's on

It is not going to play games like a separate Intel cpu with a discrete moderate to high end graphics card would.

Intel at present have the high performance per thread on CPU's where AMD are presently existing in value range - This lack of competition is a real shame and can be seen in both the lack of performance jumps per generation from Intel as well as turning off features in specific models whilst charging more which they never do when they have decent competition

Limitations on all in one's is expandability and the ability to upgrade them that is normally available in desktops although suspect this will have an msata connection and If I was buying I would be wanting to strongly add an SSD for the operating system and the supplied HDD as storage (performance between SSD and HDD once tried you struggle to go back)

Toms hardware does a fairly in-depth review here on the APU and recommends it a smart buy when considering power, performance and efficiency:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-a10-7800-kaveri-apu-efficiency,3899.html

In answer to a specification that would out perform this in a desktop form this hotukdeal is not bad:
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/cube-slim-bing-series-desktop-pc-with-microsoft-windows-8-1-bing-230-box-co-uk-2071034

Although you would need to add a low profile 750 ti graphics card and buy the monitor (like the touch hanspree on amazon) - the result would out perform this but not be in such a neat package.

I_Am_A_Poser

"Processor AMD"

A decent computer worth it's salt will have an Intel Core CPU (Pentium CPU inside would be so-and-so).

Nonsense - A decent computer fulfils the function the user(s) requires of it - This one has an equivalent R7 260 built onto its die, please show me any Intel All in one at this price bracket that can play games to the same performance this one will?

Edited By: Bertz99 on Dec 02, 2014 19:36
#17
greyfergie
ColinB1984
Haha! Okay, what I should have said originally is that they have a very limited market, are usually massively over-priced in regards to their specifications and it's beyond me why any normal person would consider one of these UNLESS they are desperate to save a bit of space or worried about children doing damage. :)

Not a computer techie by any means but i thought the spec on this was actually half decent.
Can you tell me what it is that is so bad about the spec?
I don't mean to be pedantic but i asked you originally to post a link up to a similar spec desktop package and you did not and surely it should not be a problem as it is "over priced" and "under spec"



It just has very basic specifications for the money. It will be fine for web browsing but little else. For £600 (excluding the cashback which is always a load of absolute mither) you could find a much better desktop unit in terms of performance. I'd only recommend this if you really did have a lack of space on your desk, or money to burn. X)

Edited By: ColinB1984 on Dec 02, 2014 21:12
#18
Bertz99
I_Am_A_Poser
"Processor AMD"

A decent computer worth it's salt will have an Intel Core CPU (Pentium CPU inside would be so-and-so).
Nonsense - A decent computer fulfils the function the user(s) requires of it
Which is exactly why retail outlets are flooded with cheap 'n' cheery no-frills Android tablets, as well as the not-so cheap and utterly dysfunctional iPads that can do even less than their Android competitors.

If one is serious about doing *** REAL *** work and gain increased productivity through a computer, one is required to purchase a product that is fit for purpose. Tablets running either Android or iOS are essentially portable internet browsers and e-book readers. If one is in need of a device that does the basics, then the mobility of the Tesco's Hudl 2 is well-priced and powerful (for its size) is adequate. The Lenovo B50-35 23'' would be a waste of money because it's underpowered due to the CPU (RAM, HD, network connectivity [wireless and wired] and USB connectivity [USB 3] are all very good).

AMD had it's glory days back in the noughties (2000 to 2005), prior to Intel's launch of their Core processors. AMD is now simply a has-been. AMD sold all their semiconductor fabrication plants (fabs), so they are no longer the force they once were. Year after year, AMD promised CPUs that would challenge Intel's almost near monopoly of the CPU market (the rise of the use of ARM in small form factor devices and their licensing model changed that), but alas Bulldozer, Piledriver, Steamroller, Excavator, etc, were all digging themselves their own graves (pun intended).

I'd personally look elsewhere. However if this Lenovo B50-35 23'' was £375, I'd perhaps overlook the dull under-performing AMD CPU.

I'd give the following a look-in: Lenovo C470 priced at £449.

Specifications:
Intel Core i3 4030U 1.9 GHz, 8 GB DDR3, 1TB 7200 rpm SATA HD, 21.5" 1080p LED, DVDWriter / BD-ROM, 802.11 b/g/n Wi-Fi, Gigabit ethernet, Windows 8.1 64-bit (x64) OS, 6-in-1 card reader

Purchase from: http://www.very.co.uk/lenovo-c470-intelreg-coretrade-i3-processor-8gb-ram-1tb-hard-drive-wi-fi-215-inch-all-in-one-desktop-black/1437683003.prd

Discounts:
(1) Get 10% off if it's your first credit order from Very.co.uk @ http://www.very.co.uk/web/en/first-order-discount.page
(2) Get 11.55% off for new customers at Very.co.uk via http://www.topcashback.co.uk/very/

This Lenovo C470 was available on Cyber Monday direct from Lenovo at 20% off the list price of £499.99, making it £399.99 yesterday. Plus a 3.15% cashback (approx £10.49) via http://www.topcashback.co.uk/lenovo/

The Lenovo B50 that you're interested is listed on Lenovo for £699.99. But on Cyber Monday, with 20% off, it would have been £559.99. Plus the Lenovo VAT-back offer ( https://lenovo-offers.com/pages/winter-vatback/qualifying ) would have priced the Lenovo B50 at £447.99, on Cyber Monday, making it £52 cheaper than the PC World offer. A further £14.11 approx cashback from TCB would bring the total to £433.88 - a price possibly worth considering.
#19
Bertz99
greyfergie
Not a computer techie by any means but i thought the spec on this was actually half decent.
Can you tell me what it is that is so bad about the spec?

Grey for an all in one this is not a bad spec - most All in ones (AIO) are based on laptop specifications for low power draw - plus points on your post include a 7200rpm HDD (other budget AIO go for slower 5400), the touch screen (£150 minimum for a stand alone touch monitor for a desktop)

The CPU (or APU as AMD call it) is an all rounder good cpu It is not going to blast through workstation applications like an Intel i7 with a quadro graphics card that your art/video studio spend 1000's on

It is not going to play games like a separate Intel cpu with a discrete moderate to high end graphics card would.

Intel at present have the high performance per thread on CPU's where AMD are presently existing in value range - This lack of competition is a real shame and can be seen in both the lack of performance jumps per generation from Intel as well as turning off features in specific models whilst charging more which they never do when they have decent competition

Limitations on all in one's is expandability and the ability to upgrade them that is normally available in desktops although suspect this will have an msata connection and If I was buying I would be wanting to strongly add an SSD for the operating system and the supplied HDD as storage (performance between SSD and HDD once tried you struggle to go back)

Toms hardware does a fairly in-depth review here on the APU and recommends it a smart buy when considering power, performance and efficiency:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-a10-7800-kaveri-apu-efficiency,3899.html

In answer to a specification that would out perform this in a desktop form this hotukdeal is not bad:
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/cube-slim-bing-series-desktop-pc-with-microsoft-windows-8-1-bing-230-box-co-uk-2071034

Although you would need to add a low profile 750 ti graphics card and buy the monitor (like the touch hanspree on amazon) - the result would out perform this but not be in such a neat package.

I_Am_A_Poser

"Processor AMD"

A decent computer worth it's salt will have an Intel Core CPU (Pentium CPU inside would be so-and-so).

Nonsense - A decent computer fulfils the function the user(s) requires of it - This one has an equivalent R7 260 built onto its die, please show me any Intel All in one at this price bracket that can play games to the same performance this one will?


Thanks for taking the time to give such an in depth reply. But as i am only going to use this machine for normal everyday stuff like web browsing, word, music and such like i don't think i would be looking at upgrading any of the current spec so think it would be more than adequate for my needs but am slightly concerned as the AIO seems very unpopular and wonder if i should go for a desktop instead......Oh the indecision! : - ( Is the touch screen a good thing or is it just a gimmick?
#20
I_Am_A_Poser_1
Bertz99
I_Am_A_Poser
"Processor AMD"

A decent computer worth it's salt will have an Intel Core CPU (Pentium CPU inside would be so-and-so).
Nonsense - A decent computer fulfils the function the user(s) requires of it
Which is exactly why retail outlets are flooded with cheap 'n' cheery no-frills Android tablets, as well as the not-so cheap and utterly dysfunctional iPads that can do even less than their Android competitors.

If one is serious about doing *** REAL *** work and gain increased productivity through a computer, one is required to purchase a product that is fit for purpose. Tablets running either Android or iOS are essentially portable internet browsers and e-book readers. If one is in need of a device that does the basics, then the mobility of the Tesco's Hudl 2 is well-priced and powerful (for its size) is adequate. The Lenovo B50-35 23'' would be a waste of money because it's underpowered due to the CPU (RAM, HD, network connectivity [wireless and wired] and USB connectivity [USB 3] are all very good).

AMD had it's glory days back in the noughties (2000 to 2005), prior to Intel's launch of their Core processors. AMD is now simply a has-been. AMD sold all their semiconductor fabrication plants (fabs), so they are no longer the force they once were. Year after year, AMD promised CPUs that would challenge Intel's almost near monopoly of the CPU market (the rise of the use of ARM in small form factor devices and their licensing model changed that), but alas Bulldozer, Piledriver, Steamroller, Excavator, etc, were all digging themselves their own graves (pun intended).

I'd personally look elsewhere. However if this Lenovo B50-35 23'' was £375, I'd perhaps overlook the dull under-performing AMD CPU.

I'd give the following a look-in: Lenovo C470 priced at £449.

Specifications:
Intel Core i3 4030U 1.9 GHz, 8 GB DDR3, 1TB 7200 rpm SATA HD, 21.5" 1080p LED, DVDWriter / BD-ROM, 802.11 b/g/n Wi-Fi, Gigabit ethernet, Windows 8.1 64-bit (x64) OS, 6-in-1 card reader

Purchase from: http://www.very.co.uk/lenovo-c470-intelreg-coretrade-i3-processor-8gb-ram-1tb-hard-drive-wi-fi-215-inch-all-in-one-desktop-black/1437683003.prd

Discounts:
(1) Get 10% off if it's your first credit order from Very.co.uk @ http://www.very.co.uk/web/en/first-order-discount.page
(2) Get 11.55% off for new customers at Very.co.uk via http://www.topcashback.co.uk/very/

This Lenovo C470 was available on Cyber Monday direct from Lenovo at 20% off the list price of £499.99, making it £399.99 yesterday. Plus a 3.15% cashback (approx £10.49) via http://www.topcashback.co.uk/lenovo/

The Lenovo B50 that you're interested is listed on Lenovo for £699.99. But on Cyber Monday, with 20% off, it would have been £559.99. Plus the Lenovo VAT-back offer ( https://lenovo-offers.com/pages/winter-vatback/qualifying ) would have priced the Lenovo B50 at £447.99, on Cyber Monday, making it £52 cheaper than the PC World offer. A further £14.11 approx cashback from TCB would bring the total to £433.88 - a price possibly worth considering.

Thanks for the very detailed reply however it has only confused me further (but it does not take much!) as i thought the Lenovo "B" series was suppose to be a higher spec machine than the "C" series? Are you recommending that one purely on the i3 processor? as i previously posted this Lenovo C560 http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/lenovo-c560-one-desktop-pc-intel-core-i5-8gb-ram-1tb-23-black-599-95-john-lewis-2050894 with an i5 processor but again i thought this was a better spec AIO but looks like i may have been wrong.....

If John Lewis were to price match this machine along with a 3 year guarantee would you consider that as a not bad deal?

Edited By: greyfergie on Dec 03, 2014 10:20: .
#21
greyfergie
Bertz99
greyfergie
Not a computer techie by any means but i thought the spec on this was actually half decent.
Can you tell me what it is that is so bad about the spec?

Grey for an all in one this is not a bad spec - most All in ones (AIO) are based on laptop specifications for low power draw - plus points on your post include a 7200rpm HDD (other budget AIO go for slower 5400), the touch screen (£150 minimum for a stand alone touch monitor for a desktop)

The CPU (or APU as AMD call it) is an all rounder good cpu It is not going to blast through workstation applications like an Intel i7 with a quadro graphics card that your art/video studio spend 1000's on

It is not going to play games like a separate Intel cpu with a discrete moderate to high end graphics card would.

Intel at present have the high performance per thread on CPU's where AMD are presently existing in value range - This lack of competition is a real shame and can be seen in both the lack of performance jumps per generation from Intel as well as turning off features in specific models whilst charging more which they never do when they have decent competition

Limitations on all in one's is expandability and the ability to upgrade them that is normally available in desktops although suspect this will have an msata connection and If I was buying I would be wanting to strongly add an SSD for the operating system and the supplied HDD as storage (performance between SSD and HDD once tried you struggle to go back)

Toms hardware does a fairly in-depth review here on the APU and recommends it a smart buy when considering power, performance and efficiency:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-a10-7800-kaveri-apu-efficiency,3899.html

In answer to a specification that would out perform this in a desktop form this hotukdeal is not bad:
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/cube-slim-bing-series-desktop-pc-with-microsoft-windows-8-1-bing-230-box-co-uk-2071034

Although you would need to add a low profile 750 ti graphics card and buy the monitor (like the touch hanspree on amazon) - the result would out perform this but not be in such a neat package.

I_Am_A_Poser

"Processor AMD"

A decent computer worth it's salt will have an Intel Core CPU (Pentium CPU inside would be so-and-so).

Nonsense - A decent computer fulfils the function the user(s) requires of it - This one has an equivalent R7 260 built onto its die, please show me any Intel All in one at this price bracket that can play games to the same performance this one will?


Thanks for taking the time to give such an in depth reply. But as i am only going to use this machine for normal everyday stuff like web browsing, word, music and such like i don't think i would be looking at upgrading any of the current spec so think it would be more than adequate for my needs but am slightly concerned as the AIO seems very unpopular and wonder if i should go for a desktop instead......Oh the indecision! : - ( Is the touch screen a good thing or is it just a gimmick?

All in ones though are a niche market that carry a premium for those seeking that solution but what you have found I think is a good buy - desktop and laptops are the main fray and therefore normally where the bargains are to be had. I personally love touch screens - although when working on laptop for the first time with it and pointing at something without thinking it was a little odd ;)

What Poser has found is not a bad machine - here is a benchmark that list the both cpu's though with the AMD 7800 and an Intel i3 4010U (u indicating its severely hampered for efficiency reasons) where the Intel single thread scores 958 whilst the AMD7800 1,633 (neither cutting edge but the requirement you list doesn't need that).

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html


Edited By: Bertz99 on Dec 03, 2014 11:09: edit
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I_Am_A_Poser_1
Bertz99
I_Am_A_Poser
"Processor AMD"

A decent computer worth it's salt will have an Intel Core CPU (Pentium CPU inside would be so-and-so).
Nonsense - A decent computer fulfils the function the user(s) requires of it
Which is exactly why retail outlets are flooded with cheap 'n' cheery no-frills Android tablets, as well as the not-so cheap and utterly dysfunctional iPads that can do even less than their Android competitors.

If one is serious about doing *** REAL *** work and gain increased productivity through a computer, one is required to purchase a product that is fit for purpose.
First you need to define what is considered to be real Work or what functionally is required - i.e. my trainer at the gym might consider real work might differ to that vsphere hosting VM's provisioned in the cloud.

I_Am_A_Poser_1

Tablets running either Android or iOS are essentially portable internet browsers and e-book readers. If one is in need of a device that does the basics, then the mobility of the Tesco's Hudl 2 is well-priced and powerful (for its size) is adequate.
Correct - a tablet you might have decided to want something portable, light weight, able to hold in a hand use internet functionality and simple gaming whilst one is on the move

I_Am_A_Poser_1

The Lenovo B50-35 23'' would be a waste of money because it's underpowered due to the CPU (RAM, HD, network connectivity [wireless and wired] and USB connectivity [USB 3] are all very good).

AMD had it's glory days back in the noughties (2000 to 2005), prior to Intel's launch of their Core processors. AMD is now simply a has-been. AMD sold all their semiconductor fabrication plants (fabs), so they are no longer the force they once were. Year after year, AMD promised CPUs that would challenge Intel's almost near monopoly of the CPU market (the rise of the use of ARM in small form factor devices and their licensing model changed that), but alas Bulldozer, Piledriver, Steamroller, Excavator, etc, were all digging themselves their own graves (pun intended).
And yet in the noughties, when AMD introduced the Athlon having up to then run second fiddle combined with Intel getting it so wrong with a deep pipeline to win the gigahertz race of the P4 - I heard people say exactly how the end was nigh for Intel. Interesting fact though is the core came not from that performance line (that was screwed) but the investment in India on progressing the P3 with efficient power use that went on to under pin the core cpu.

I_Am_A_Poser_1

I'd personally look elsewhere. However if this Lenovo B50-35 23'' was £375, I'd perhaps overlook the dull under-performing AMD CPU.

I'd give the following a look-in: Lenovo C470 priced at £449.

Specifications:
Intel Core i3 4030U 1.9 GHz, 8 GB DDR3, 1TB 7200 rpm SATA HD, 21.5" 1080p LED, DVDWriter / BD-ROM, 802.11 b/g/n Wi-Fi, Gigabit ethernet, Windows 8.1 64-bit (x64) OS, 6-in-1 card reader

Purchase from: http://www.very.co.uk/lenovo-c470-intelreg-coretrade-i3-processor-8gb-ram-1tb-hard-drive-wi-fi-215-inch-all-in-one-desktop-black/1437683003.prd

Discounts:
(1) Get 10% off if it's your first credit order from Very.co.uk @ http://www.very.co.uk/web/en/first-order-discount.page
(2) Get 11.55% off for new customers at Very.co.uk via http://www.topcashback.co.uk/very/

This Lenovo C470 was available on Cyber Monday direct from Lenovo at 20% off the list price of £499.99, making it £399.99 yesterday. Plus a 3.15% cashback (approx £10.49) via http://www.topcashback.co.uk/lenovo/

so you would prefer a CPU that is slower per thread (normally Intels strength is) with less threads and lower performance graphics wise whilst plugged into the mains purely because it has an Intel badge?


I_Am_A_Poser_1

The Lenovo B50 that you're interested is listed on Lenovo for £699.99. But on Cyber Monday, with 20% off, it would have been £559.99. Plus the Lenovo VAT-back offer ( https://lenovo-offers.com/pages/winter-vatback/qualifying ) would have priced the Lenovo B50 at £447.99, on Cyber Monday, making it £52 cheaper than the PC World offer. A further £14.11 approx cashback from TCB would bring the total to £433.88 - a price possibly worth considering.

Seriously I hope your prediction on AMD being dead is wrong as the reason we have such good Intel cpu's available at present is due to AMD forcing Intel to have to compete that is good for all consumers. The lack of it means Intel are now sitting easily doing incremental performance enhancements, tying down certain elements in their premium cpu's and charging us more for it.

In the value segment though clearly you are wrong - either that or both Sony and Microsoft do not know as much as you when they decided to produce the XBOne or PS4!

Edited By: Bertz99 on Dec 03, 2014 18:04: typo
#23
I've also been looking at this Lenovo and some interesting comments on here.
The AIO Currys/PCW are selling looks like a basic version compared to the B50-35 on Lenovo and John Lewis website. The PCW version only describes an integrated graphics card, whereas the Lenovo/JL version show a dedicated 2G Radeon R7 card.. are these the same, or different specs?

None the less, JL have agreed to price match so I need to decide if it's worth buying at JL with 2GB R7 card (£699 to £599 after price match + Lenovo VAT cashback) or from PCW using O2 priority moments (£549 (£50 O2) + VAT cashback).

Any thoughts?
#24
LongEH
I've also been looking at this Lenovo and some interesting comments on here.
The AIO Currys/PCW are selling looks like a basic version compared to the B50-35 on Lenovo and John Lewis website. The PCW version only describes an integrated graphics card, whereas the Lenovo/JL version show a dedicated 2G Radeon R7 card.. are these the same, or different specs?

None the less, JL have agreed to price match so I need to decide if it's worth buying at JL with 2GB R7 card (£699 to £599 after price match + Lenovo VAT cashback) or from PCW using O2 priority moments (£549 (£50 O2) + VAT cashback).

Any thoughts?

I hadn't noticed the difference with the graphics card but i would think taking that into account along with the 3 year warranty that John Lewis would be the better option.

Only thing is i believe the cash back offer finishes today so we have to decide soon!

Decisions.......
#25
Bertz99
greyfergie
Bertz99
greyfergie
Not a computer techie by any means but i thought the spec on this was actually half decent.
Can you tell me what it is that is so bad about the spec?

Grey for an all in one this is not a bad spec - most All in ones (AIO) are based on laptop specifications for low power draw - plus points on your post include a 7200rpm HDD (other budget AIO go for slower 5400), the touch screen (£150 minimum for a stand alone touch monitor for a desktop)

The CPU (or APU as AMD call it) is an all rounder good cpu It is not going to blast through workstation applications like an Intel i7 with a quadro graphics card that your art/video studio spend 1000's on

It is not going to play games like a separate Intel cpu with a discrete moderate to high end graphics card would.

Intel at present have the high performance per thread on CPU's where AMD are presently existing in value range - This lack of competition is a real shame and can be seen in both the lack of performance jumps per generation from Intel as well as turning off features in specific models whilst charging more which they never do when they have decent competition

Limitations on all in one's is expandability and the ability to upgrade them that is normally available in desktops although suspect this will have an msata connection and If I was buying I would be wanting to strongly add an SSD for the operating system and the supplied HDD as storage (performance between SSD and HDD once tried you struggle to go back)

Toms hardware does a fairly in-depth review here on the APU and recommends it a smart buy when considering power, performance and efficiency:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-a10-7800-kaveri-apu-efficiency,3899.html

In answer to a specification that would out perform this in a desktop form this hotukdeal is not bad:
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/cube-slim-bing-series-desktop-pc-with-microsoft-windows-8-1-bing-230-box-co-uk-2071034

Although you would need to add a low profile 750 ti graphics card and buy the monitor (like the touch hanspree on amazon) - the result would out perform this but not be in such a neat package.

I_Am_A_Poser

"Processor AMD"

A decent computer worth it's salt will have an Intel Core CPU (Pentium CPU inside would be so-and-so).

Nonsense - A decent computer fulfils the function the user(s) requires of it - This one has an equivalent R7 260 built onto its die, please show me any Intel All in one at this price bracket that can play games to the same performance this one will?


Thanks for taking the time to give such an in depth reply. But as i am only going to use this machine for normal everyday stuff like web browsing, word, music and such like i don't think i would be looking at upgrading any of the current spec so think it would be more than adequate for my needs but am slightly concerned as the AIO seems very unpopular and wonder if i should go for a desktop instead......Oh the indecision! : - ( Is the touch screen a good thing or is it just a gimmick?

All in ones though are a niche market that carry a premium for those seeking that solution but what you have found I think is a good buy - desktop and laptops are the main fray and therefore normally where the bargains are to be had. I personally love touch screens - although when working on laptop for the first time with it and pointing at something without thinking it was a little odd ;)

What Poser has found is not a bad machine - here is a benchmark that list the both cpu's though with the AMD 7800 and an Intel i3 4010U (u indicating its severely hampered for efficiency reasons) where the Intel single thread scores 958 whilst the AMD7800 1,633 (neither cutting edge but the requirement you list doesn't need that).

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html


Again thanks for that informative response although it has only managed to further confuse/intrigue me as i have checked my current processor and it can be seen here http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Athlon+64+X2+Dual+Core+3600%2B so my question is now is this Lenovo going to noticeably different/faster?

Quite surprised by my current result as it is quite an old desktop or maybe i should be quite disappointed with the score of the Lenovo....... I do not know.........Argh.....lol

Help....
#26
greyfergie
Bertz99
greyfergie
Bertz99
greyfergie
Not a computer techie by any means but i thought the spec on this was actually half decent.
Can you tell me what it is that is so bad about the spec?

Grey for an all in one this is not a bad spec - most All in ones (AIO) are based on laptop specifications for low power draw - plus points on your post include a 7200rpm HDD (other budget AIO go for slower 5400), the touch screen (£150 minimum for a stand alone touch monitor for a desktop)

The CPU (or APU as AMD call it) is an all rounder good cpu It is not going to blast through workstation applications like an Intel i7 with a quadro graphics card that your art/video studio spend 1000's on

It is not going to play games like a separate Intel cpu with a discrete moderate to high end graphics card would.

Intel at present have the high performance per thread on CPU's where AMD are presently existing in value range - This lack of competition is a real shame and can be seen in both the lack of performance jumps per generation from Intel as well as turning off features in specific models whilst charging more which they never do when they have decent competition

Limitations on all in one's is expandability and the ability to upgrade them that is normally available in desktops although suspect this will have an msata connection and If I was buying I would be wanting to strongly add an SSD for the operating system and the supplied HDD as storage (performance between SSD and HDD once tried you struggle to go back)

Toms hardware does a fairly in-depth review here on the APU and recommends it a smart buy when considering power, performance and efficiency:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-a10-7800-kaveri-apu-efficiency,3899.html

In answer to a specification that would out perform this in a desktop form this hotukdeal is not bad:
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/cube-slim-bing-series-desktop-pc-with-microsoft-windows-8-1-bing-230-box-co-uk-2071034

Although you would need to add a low profile 750 ti graphics card and buy the monitor (like the touch hanspree on amazon) - the result would out perform this but not be in such a neat package.

I_Am_A_Poser

"Processor AMD"

A decent computer worth it's salt will have an Intel Core CPU (Pentium CPU inside would be so-and-so).

Nonsense - A decent computer fulfils the function the user(s) requires of it - This one has an equivalent R7 260 built onto its die, please show me any Intel All in one at this price bracket that can play games to the same performance this one will?


Thanks for taking the time to give such an in depth reply. But as i am only going to use this machine for normal everyday stuff like web browsing, word, music and such like i don't think i would be looking at upgrading any of the current spec so think it would be more than adequate for my needs but am slightly concerned as the AIO seems very unpopular and wonder if i should go for a desktop instead......Oh the indecision! : - ( Is the touch screen a good thing or is it just a gimmick?

All in ones though are a niche market that carry a premium for those seeking that solution but what you have found I think is a good buy - desktop and laptops are the main fray and therefore normally where the bargains are to be had. I personally love touch screens - although when working on laptop for the first time with it and pointing at something without thinking it was a little odd ;)

What Poser has found is not a bad machine - here is a benchmark that list the both cpu's though with the AMD 7800 and an Intel i3 4010U (u indicating its severely hampered for efficiency reasons) where the Intel single thread scores 958 whilst the AMD7800 1,633 (neither cutting edge but the requirement you list doesn't need that).

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html


Again thanks for that informative response although it has only managed to further confuse/intrigue me as i have checked my current processor and it can be seen here http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Athlon+64+X2+Dual+Core+3600%2B so my question is now is this Lenovo going to noticeably different/faster?

Quite surprised by my current result as it is quite an old desktop or maybe i should be quite disappointed with the score of the Lenovo....... I do not know.........Argh.....lol

Help....
This benchmark says too close to call but then you look at benchmark which contradict that
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD-Athlon-X2-3600-vs-AMD-A10-7800

This gives an overview of why you would struggle to compare:
http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/181/AMD_A10-Series_A10-7800_vs_AMD_Athlon_64_X2_3600+_(Socket_AM2__rev._G1__512KB).html

The previous benchmark compare I gave you was on the same chart - which would normally suggest same tooling used to test - age of 3600 and what that was scored against I can not imagine being the same tools being used for the AMD 7800

Edited By: Bertz99 on Dec 04, 2014 15:52: detail
#27
greyfergie
LongEH
I've also been looking at this Lenovo and some interesting comments on here.
The AIO Currys/PCW are selling looks like a basic version compared to the B50-35 on Lenovo and John Lewis website. The PCW version only describes an integrated graphics card, whereas the Lenovo/JL version show a dedicated 2G Radeon R7 card.. are these the same, or different specs?

None the less, JL have agreed to price match so I need to decide if it's worth buying at JL with 2GB R7 card (£699 to £599 after price match + Lenovo VAT cashback) or from PCW using O2 priority moments (£549 (£50 O2) + VAT cashback).

Any thoughts?

I hadn't noticed the difference with the graphics card but i would think taking that into account along with the 3 year warranty that John Lewis would be the better option.

Only thing is i believe the cash back offer finishes today so we have to decide soon!

greyfergie
[quote=LongEH]I've also been looking at this Lenovo and some interesting comments on here.
The AIO Currys/PCW are selling looks like a basic version compared to the B50-35 on Lenovo and John Lewis website. The PCW version only describes an integrated graphics card, whereas the Lenovo/JL version show a dedicated 2G Radeon R7 card.. are these the same, or different specs?

None the less, JL have agreed to price match so I need to decide if it's worth buying at JL with 2GB R7 card (£699 to £599 after price match + Lenovo VAT cashback) or from PCW using O2 priority moments (£549 (£50 O2) + VAT cashback).

Any thoughts?

I hadn't noticed the difference with the graphics card but i would think taking that into account along with the 3 year warranty that John Lewis would be the better option.

Only thing is i believe the cash back offer finishes today so we have to decide soon!

Decisions.......


Went to local PCW and they confirmed their version is integrated graphics so after procrastinating over saving and extra £50 against dedicated graphics and 3 year warranty.. I've decided to go with the JL offer.

Mrs is also thrilled as she "thinks" this is an early xmas present.
#28
LongEH
greyfergie
LongEH
I've also been looking at this Lenovo and some interesting comments on here.
The AIO Currys/PCW are selling looks like a basic version compared to the B50-35 on Lenovo and John Lewis website. The PCW version only describes an integrated graphics card, whereas the Lenovo/JL version show a dedicated 2G Radeon R7 card.. are these the same, or different specs?

None the less, JL have agreed to price match so I need to decide if it's worth buying at JL with 2GB R7 card (£699 to £599 after price match + Lenovo VAT cashback) or from PCW using O2 priority moments (£549 (£50 O2) + VAT cashback).

Any thoughts?

I hadn't noticed the difference with the graphics card but i would think taking that into account along with the 3 year warranty that John Lewis would be the better option.

Only thing is i believe the cash back offer finishes today so we have to decide soon!

greyfergie
[quote=LongEH]I've also been looking at this Lenovo and some interesting comments on here.
The AIO Currys/PCW are selling looks like a basic version compared to the B50-35 on Lenovo and John Lewis website. The PCW version only describes an integrated graphics card, whereas the Lenovo/JL version show a dedicated 2G Radeon R7 card.. are these the same, or different specs?

None the less, JL have agreed to price match so I need to decide if it's worth buying at JL with 2GB R7 card (£699 to £599 after price match + Lenovo VAT cashback) or from PCW using O2 priority moments (£549 (£50 O2) + VAT cashback).

Any thoughts?

I hadn't noticed the difference with the graphics card but i would think taking that into account along with the 3 year warranty that John Lewis would be the better option.

Only thing is i believe the cash back offer finishes today so we have to decide soon!

Decisions.......

Went to local PCW and they confirmed their version is integrated graphics so after procrastinating over saving and extra £50 against dedicated graphics and 3 year warranty.. I've decided to go with the JL offer.

Mrs is also thrilled as she "thinks" this is an early xmas present.

Thanks for confirming about the graphics and i think you made the right choice as you will have peace of mind with the 3 year warranty, i am still undecided but think i will probably be ordering this before the end of the day...... Decisions.....

Mrs happy as well it is a win win all round for you : - ))
#29
Bertz99
greyfergie
Bertz99
greyfergie
Bertz99
greyfergie
Not a computer techie by any means but i thought the spec on this was actually half decent.
Can you tell me what it is that is so bad about the spec?

Grey for an all in one this is not a bad spec - most All in ones (AIO) are based on laptop specifications for low power draw - plus points on your post include a 7200rpm HDD (other budget AIO go for slower 5400), the touch screen (£150 minimum for a stand alone touch monitor for a desktop)

The CPU (or APU as AMD call it) is an all rounder good cpu It is not going to blast through workstation applications like an Intel i7 with a quadro graphics card that your art/video studio spend 1000's on

It is not going to play games like a separate Intel cpu with a discrete moderate to high end graphics card would.

Intel at present have the high performance per thread on CPU's where AMD are presently existing in value range - This lack of competition is a real shame and can be seen in both the lack of performance jumps per generation from Intel as well as turning off features in specific models whilst charging more which they never do when they have decent competition

Limitations on all in one's is expandability and the ability to upgrade them that is normally available in desktops although suspect this will have an msata connection and If I was buying I would be wanting to strongly add an SSD for the operating system and the supplied HDD as storage (performance between SSD and HDD once tried you struggle to go back)

Toms hardware does a fairly in-depth review here on the APU and recommends it a smart buy when considering power, performance and efficiency:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-a10-7800-kaveri-apu-efficiency,3899.html

In answer to a specification that would out perform this in a desktop form this hotukdeal is not bad:
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/cube-slim-bing-series-desktop-pc-with-microsoft-windows-8-1-bing-230-box-co-uk-2071034

Although you would need to add a low profile 750 ti graphics card and buy the monitor (like the touch hanspree on amazon) - the result would out perform this but not be in such a neat package.

I_Am_A_Poser

"Processor AMD"

A decent computer worth it's salt will have an Intel Core CPU (Pentium CPU inside would be so-and-so).

Nonsense - A decent computer fulfils the function the user(s) requires of it - This one has an equivalent R7 260 built onto its die, please show me any Intel All in one at this price bracket that can play games to the same performance this one will?


Thanks for taking the time to give such an in depth reply. But as i am only going to use this machine for normal everyday stuff like web browsing, word, music and such like i don't think i would be looking at upgrading any of the current spec so think it would be more than adequate for my needs but am slightly concerned as the AIO seems very unpopular and wonder if i should go for a desktop instead......Oh the indecision! : - ( Is the touch screen a good thing or is it just a gimmick?

All in ones though are a niche market that carry a premium for those seeking that solution but what you have found I think is a good buy - desktop and laptops are the main fray and therefore normally where the bargains are to be had. I personally love touch screens - although when working on laptop for the first time with it and pointing at something without thinking it was a little odd ;)

What Poser has found is not a bad machine - here is a benchmark that list the both cpu's though with the AMD 7800 and an Intel i3 4010U (u indicating its severely hampered for efficiency reasons) where the Intel single thread scores 958 whilst the AMD7800 1,633 (neither cutting edge but the requirement you list doesn't need that).

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html


Again thanks for that informative response although it has only managed to further confuse/intrigue me as i have checked my current processor and it can be seen here http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Athlon+64+X2+Dual+Core+3600%2B so my question is now is this Lenovo going to noticeably different/faster?

Quite surprised by my current result as it is quite an old desktop or maybe i should be quite disappointed with the score of the Lenovo....... I do not know.........Argh.....lol

Help....
This benchmark says too close to call but then you look at benchmark which contradict that
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD-Athlon-X2-3600-vs-AMD-A10-7800

This gives an overview of why you would struggle to compare:
http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/181/AMD_A10-Series_A10-7800_vs_AMD_Athlon_64_X2_3600+_(Socket_AM2__rev._G1__512KB).html

The previous benchmark compare I gave you was on the same chart - which would normally suggest same tooling used to test - age of 3600 and what that was scored against I can not imagine being the same tools being used for the AMD 7800

I think i understand if what you are saying is the comparisons made of each are against similar specs at that time so trying to compare the two with the results available does not work, is that right?

Think i am going to order this later on today before the offer ends and get John Lewis to price match with the added bonus of a 3 year warranty.

Thanks for all your help it makes a change from the normal responses received (I notice I_Am_A_Poser_1 has not replied to you) perhaps he is still researching!! lol
#30
greyfergie
Bertz99
greyfergie
Bertz99
greyfergie
Bertz99
greyfergie
Not a computer techie by any means but i thought the spec on this was actually half decent.
Can you tell me what it is that is so bad about the spec?

Grey for an all in one this is not a bad spec - most All in ones (AIO) are based on laptop specifications for low power draw - plus points on your post include a 7200rpm HDD (other budget AIO go for slower 5400), the touch screen (£150 minimum for a stand alone touch monitor for a desktop)

The CPU (or APU as AMD call it) is an all rounder good cpu It is not going to blast through workstation applications like an Intel i7 with a quadro graphics card that your art/video studio spend 1000's on

It is not going to play games like a separate Intel cpu with a discrete moderate to high end graphics card would.

Intel at present have the high performance per thread on CPU's where AMD are presently existing in value range - This lack of competition is a real shame and can be seen in both the lack of performance jumps per generation from Intel as well as turning off features in specific models whilst charging more which they never do when they have decent competition

Limitations on all in one's is expandability and the ability to upgrade them that is normally available in desktops although suspect this will have an msata connection and If I was buying I would be wanting to strongly add an SSD for the operating system and the supplied HDD as storage (performance between SSD and HDD once tried you struggle to go back)

Toms hardware does a fairly in-depth review here on the APU and recommends it a smart buy when considering power, performance and efficiency:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-a10-7800-kaveri-apu-efficiency,3899.html

In answer to a specification that would out perform this in a desktop form this hotukdeal is not bad:
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/cube-slim-bing-series-desktop-pc-with-microsoft-windows-8-1-bing-230-box-co-uk-2071034

Although you would need to add a low profile 750 ti graphics card and buy the monitor (like the touch hanspree on amazon) - the result would out perform this but not be in such a neat package.

I_Am_A_Poser

"Processor AMD"

A decent computer worth it's salt will have an Intel Core CPU (Pentium CPU inside would be so-and-so).

Nonsense - A decent computer fulfils the function the user(s) requires of it - This one has an equivalent R7 260 built onto its die, please show me any Intel All in one at this price bracket that can play games to the same performance this one will?


Thanks for taking the time to give such an in depth reply. But as i am only going to use this machine for normal everyday stuff like web browsing, word, music and such like i don't think i would be looking at upgrading any of the current spec so think it would be more than adequate for my needs but am slightly concerned as the AIO seems very unpopular and wonder if i should go for a desktop instead......Oh the indecision! : - ( Is the touch screen a good thing or is it just a gimmick?

All in ones though are a niche market that carry a premium for those seeking that solution but what you have found I think is a good buy - desktop and laptops are the main fray and therefore normally where the bargains are to be had. I personally love touch screens - although when working on laptop for the first time with it and pointing at something without thinking it was a little odd ;)

What Poser has found is not a bad machine - here is a benchmark that list the both cpu's though with the AMD 7800 and an Intel i3 4010U (u indicating its severely hampered for efficiency reasons) where the Intel single thread scores 958 whilst the AMD7800 1,633 (neither cutting edge but the requirement you list doesn't need that).

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html


Again thanks for that informative response although it has only managed to further confuse/intrigue me as i have checked my current processor and it can be seen here http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Athlon+64+X2+Dual+Core+3600%2B so my question is now is this Lenovo going to noticeably different/faster?

Quite surprised by my current result as it is quite an old desktop or maybe i should be quite disappointed with the score of the Lenovo....... I do not know.........Argh.....lol

Help....
This benchmark says too close to call but then you look at benchmark which contradict that
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD-Athlon-X2-3600-vs-AMD-A10-7800

This gives an overview of why you would struggle to compare:
http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/181/AMD_A10-Series_A10-7800_vs_AMD_Athlon_64_X2_3600+_(Socket_AM2__rev._G1__512KB).html

The previous benchmark compare I gave you was on the same chart - which would normally suggest same tooling used to test - age of 3600 and what that was scored against I can not imagine being the same tools being used for the AMD 7800

I think i understand if what you are saying is the comparisons made of each are against similar specs at that time so trying to compare the two with the results available does not work, is that right?

Think i am going to order this later on today before the offer ends and get John Lewis to price match with the added bonus of a 3 year warranty.

Thanks for all your help it makes a change from the normal responses received (I notice I_Am_A_Poser_1 has not replied to you) perhaps he is still researching!! lol
OK glad it helped as can see you have been considering for a while :)

Yep effectively when benchmarking they set out a suite of tests that is used to generate that score

Every so often they will revisit that set of tests as things evolve and what generates that score will change - in your explicit example I have not looked in depth but am making an assumption they are not directly comparable as an x2 3600 is fairly old now

Giving an analogy it would be like testing you how efficient your car using tests in the 1980's that did not take into account hybrid systems, energy recovery etc which is currently being looked at being readdressed in 2016 to give the consumer a clearer picture.

I am a poser did have a point just too biased in my view - top end spec wise Intel do have in hand, there is no denying that for high end performance an Intel is a good starting point with a discrete graphics card (depending exactly on requirements) - but when choosing a system my view is how much can I budget, what do I want it to do and how do I get best value for it to do that - the machine you have found I was considering for my spare room for the touch screen and capable of running the virtual training software I would want it to.
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Not a computer techie by any means but i thought the spec on this was actually half decent.
Can you tell me what it is that is so bad about the spec?

Grey for an all in one this is not a bad spec - most All in ones (AIO) are based on laptop specifications for low power draw - plus points on your post include a 7200rpm HDD (other budget AIO go for slower 5400), the touch screen (£150 minimum for a stand alone touch monitor for a desktop)

The CPU (or APU as AMD call it) is an all rounder good cpu It is not going to blast through workstation applications like an Intel i7 with a quadro graphics card that your art/video studio spend 1000's on

It is not going to play games like a separate Intel cpu with a discrete moderate to high end graphics card would.

Intel at present have the high performance per thread on CPU's where AMD are presently existing in value range - This lack of competition is a real shame and can be seen in both the lack of performance jumps per generation from Intel as well as turning off features in specific models whilst charging more which they never do when they have decent competition

Limitations on all in one's is expandability and the ability to upgrade them that is normally available in desktops although suspect this will have an msata connection and If I was buying I would be wanting to strongly add an SSD for the operating system and the supplied HDD as storage (performance between SSD and HDD once tried you struggle to go back)

Toms hardware does a fairly in-depth review here on the APU and recommends it a smart buy when considering power, performance and efficiency:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-a10-7800-kaveri-apu-efficiency,3899.html

In answer to a specification that would out perform this in a desktop form this hotukdeal is not bad:
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/cube-slim-bing-series-desktop-pc-with-microsoft-windows-8-1-bing-230-box-co-uk-2071034

Although you would need to add a low profile 750 ti graphics card and buy the monitor (like the touch hanspree on amazon) - the result would out perform this but not be in such a neat package.

I_Am_A_Poser

"Processor AMD"

A decent computer worth it's salt will have an Intel Core CPU (Pentium CPU inside would be so-and-so).

Nonsense - A decent computer fulfils the function the user(s) requires of it - This one has an equivalent R7 260 built onto its die, please show me any Intel All in one at this price bracket that can play games to the same performance this one will?


Thanks for taking the time to give such an in depth reply. But as i am only going to use this machine for normal everyday stuff like web browsing, word, music and such like i don't think i would be looking at upgrading any of the current spec so think it would be more than adequate for my needs but am slightly concerned as the AIO seems very unpopular and wonder if i should go for a desktop instead......Oh the indecision! : - ( Is the touch screen a good thing or is it just a gimmick?

All in ones though are a niche market that carry a premium for those seeking that solution but what you have found I think is a good buy - desktop and laptops are the main fray and therefore normally where the bargains are to be had. I personally love touch screens - although when working on laptop for the first time with it and pointing at something without thinking it was a little odd ;)

What Poser has found is not a bad machine - here is a benchmark that list the both cpu's though with the AMD 7800 and an Intel i3 4010U (u indicating its severely hampered for efficiency reasons) where the Intel single thread scores 958 whilst the AMD7800 1,633 (neither cutting edge but the requirement you list doesn't need that).

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html


Again thanks for that informative response although it has only managed to further confuse/intrigue me as i have checked my current processor and it can be seen here http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Athlon+64+X2+Dual+Core+3600%2B so my question is now is this Lenovo going to noticeably different/faster?

Quite surprised by my current result as it is quite an old desktop or maybe i should be quite disappointed with the score of the Lenovo....... I do not know.........Argh.....lol

Help....
This benchmark says too close to call but then you look at benchmark which contradict that
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD-Athlon-X2-3600-vs-AMD-A10-7800

This gives an overview of why you would struggle to compare:
http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/181/AMD_A10-Series_A10-7800_vs_AMD_Athlon_64_X2_3600+_(Socket_AM2__rev._G1__512KB).html

The previous benchmark compare I gave you was on the same chart - which would normally suggest same tooling used to test - age of 3600 and what that was scored against I can not imagine being the same tools being used for the AMD 7800

I think i understand if what you are saying is the comparisons made of each are against similar specs at that time so trying to compare the two with the results available does not work, is that right?

Think i am going to order this later on today before the offer ends and get John Lewis to price match with the added bonus of a 3 year warranty.

Thanks for all your help it makes a change from the normal responses received (I notice I_Am_A_Poser_1 has not replied to you) perhaps he is still researching!! lol
OK glad it helped as can see you have been considering for a while :)

Yep effectively when benchmarking they set out a suite of tests that is used to generate that score

Every so often they will revisit that set of tests as things evolve and what generates that score will change - in your explicit example I have not looked in depth but am making an assumption they are not directly comparable as an x2 3600 is fairly old now

Giving an analogy it would be like testing you how efficient your car using tests in the 1980's that did not take into account hybrid systems, energy recovery etc which is currently being looked at being readdressed in 2016 to give the consumer a clearer picture.

I am a poser did have a point just too biased in my view - top end spec wise Intel do have in hand, there is no denying that for high end performance an Intel is a good starting point with a discrete graphics card (depending exactly on requirements) - but when choosing a system my view is how much can I budget, what do I want it to do and how do I get best value for it to do that - the machine you have found I was considering for my spare room for the touch screen and capable of running the virtual training software I would want it to.

Thanks once again and yes your right i have been pondering for sometime and as i have had nothing but dell desktops and a laptop i am finding it even more difficult considering a move to Lenovo which seems to receive mixed reviews but i feel there are more good ones than bad ones and also the fat that i will get the 3 year warranty from John Lewis is helping to sway me into taking a chance..... lol

I noticed you said "I was considering" does that mean you have decided against it?



Edited By: greyfergie on Dec 05, 2014 13:13: .
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Bertz99
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Bertz99
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Bertz99
greyfergie
Not a computer techie by any means but i thought the spec on this was actually half decent.
Can you tell me what it is that is so bad about the spec?

Grey for an all in one this is not a bad spec - most All in ones (AIO) are based on laptop specifications for low power draw - plus points on your post include a 7200rpm HDD (other budget AIO go for slower 5400), the touch screen (£150 minimum for a stand alone touch monitor for a desktop)

The CPU (or APU as AMD call it) is an all rounder good cpu It is not going to blast through workstation applications like an Intel i7 with a quadro graphics card that your art/video studio spend 1000's on

It is not going to play games like a separate Intel cpu with a discrete moderate to high end graphics card would.

Intel at present have the high performance per thread on CPU's where AMD are presently existing in value range - This lack of competition is a real shame and can be seen in both the lack of performance jumps per generation from Intel as well as turning off features in specific models whilst charging more which they never do when they have decent competition

Limitations on all in one's is expandability and the ability to upgrade them that is normally available in desktops although suspect this will have an msata connection and If I was buying I would be wanting to strongly add an SSD for the operating system and the supplied HDD as storage (performance between SSD and HDD once tried you struggle to go back)

Toms hardware does a fairly in-depth review here on the APU and recommends it a smart buy when considering power, performance and efficiency:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-a10-7800-kaveri-apu-efficiency,3899.html

In answer to a specification that would out perform this in a desktop form this hotukdeal is not bad:
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/cube-slim-bing-series-desktop-pc-with-microsoft-windows-8-1-bing-230-box-co-uk-2071034

Although you would need to add a low profile 750 ti graphics card and buy the monitor (like the touch hanspree on amazon) - the result would out perform this but not be in such a neat package.

I_Am_A_Poser

"Processor AMD"

A decent computer worth it's salt will have an Intel Core CPU (Pentium CPU inside would be so-and-so).

Nonsense - A decent computer fulfils the function the user(s) requires of it - This one has an equivalent R7 260 built onto its die, please show me any Intel All in one at this price bracket that can play games to the same performance this one will?


Thanks for taking the time to give such an in depth reply. But as i am only going to use this machine for normal everyday stuff like web browsing, word, music and such like i don't think i would be looking at upgrading any of the current spec so think it would be more than adequate for my needs but am slightly concerned as the AIO seems very unpopular and wonder if i should go for a desktop instead......Oh the indecision! : - ( Is the touch screen a good thing or is it just a gimmick?

All in ones though are a niche market that carry a premium for those seeking that solution but what you have found I think is a good buy - desktop and laptops are the main fray and therefore normally where the bargains are to be had. I personally love touch screens - although when working on laptop for the first time with it and pointing at something without thinking it was a little odd ;)

What Poser has found is not a bad machine - here is a benchmark that list the both cpu's though with the AMD 7800 and an Intel i3 4010U (u indicating its severely hampered for efficiency reasons) where the Intel single thread scores 958 whilst the AMD7800 1,633 (neither cutting edge but the requirement you list doesn't need that).

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html


Again thanks for that informative response although it has only managed to further confuse/intrigue me as i have checked my current processor and it can be seen here http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Athlon+64+X2+Dual+Core+3600%2B so my question is now is this Lenovo going to noticeably different/faster?

Quite surprised by my current result as it is quite an old desktop or maybe i should be quite disappointed with the score of the Lenovo....... I do not know.........Argh.....lol

Help....
This benchmark says too close to call but then you look at benchmark which contradict that
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD-Athlon-X2-3600-vs-AMD-A10-7800

This gives an overview of why you would struggle to compare:
http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/181/AMD_A10-Series_A10-7800_vs_AMD_Athlon_64_X2_3600+_(Socket_AM2__rev._G1__512KB).html

The previous benchmark compare I gave you was on the same chart - which would normally suggest same tooling used to test - age of 3600 and what that was scored against I can not imagine being the same tools being used for the AMD 7800

I think i understand if what you are saying is the comparisons made of each are against similar specs at that time so trying to compare the two with the results available does not work, is that right?

Think i am going to order this later on today before the offer ends and get John Lewis to price match with the added bonus of a 3 year warranty.

Thanks for all your help it makes a change from the normal responses received (I notice I_Am_A_Poser_1 has not replied to you) perhaps he is still researching!! lol
OK glad it helped as can see you have been considering for a while :)

Yep effectively when benchmarking they set out a suite of tests that is used to generate that score

Every so often they will revisit that set of tests as things evolve and what generates that score will change - in your explicit example I have not looked in depth but am making an assumption they are not directly comparable as an x2 3600 is fairly old now

Giving an analogy it would be like testing you how efficient your car using tests in the 1980's that did not take into account hybrid systems, energy recovery etc which is currently being looked at being readdressed in 2016 to give the consumer a clearer picture.

I am a poser did have a point just too biased in my view - top end spec wise Intel do have in hand, there is no denying that for high end performance an Intel is a good starting point with a discrete graphics card (depending exactly on requirements) - but when choosing a system my view is how much can I budget, what do I want it to do and how do I get best value for it to do that - the machine you have found I was considering for my spare room for the touch screen and capable of running the virtual training software I would want it to.

Thanks once again and yes your right i have been pondering for sometime and as i have had nothing but dell desktops and a laptop i am finding it even more difficult considering a move to Lenovo which seems to receive mixed reviews but i feel there are more good ones than bad ones and also the fat that i will get the 3 year warranty from John Lewis is helping to sway me into taking a chance..... lol

I noticed you said "I was considering" does that mean you have decided against it?


yep - my primary route was self build as I already have some components that I can place into it (like a 660ti graphics card, hdd and an ssd drive) - so whilst tempted I was always balancing with using those within a bespoke build - think the sway to play with a Silverstone raven case has won me over.
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Bertz99
greyfergie
Bertz99
greyfergie
Bertz99
greyfergie
Bertz99
greyfergie
Bertz99
greyfergie
Not a computer techie by any means but i thought the spec on this was actually half decent.
Can you tell me what it is that is so bad about the spec?

Grey for an all in one this is not a bad spec - most All in ones (AIO) are based on laptop specifications for low power draw - plus points on your post include a 7200rpm HDD (other budget AIO go for slower 5400), the touch screen (£150 minimum for a stand alone touch monitor for a desktop)

The CPU (or APU as AMD call it) is an all rounder good cpu It is not going to blast through workstation applications like an Intel i7 with a quadro graphics card that your art/video studio spend 1000's on

It is not going to play games like a separate Intel cpu with a discrete moderate to high end graphics card would.

Intel at present have the high performance per thread on CPU's where AMD are presently existing in value range - This lack of competition is a real shame and can be seen in both the lack of performance jumps per generation from Intel as well as turning off features in specific models whilst charging more which they never do when they have decent competition

Limitations on all in one's is expandability and the ability to upgrade them that is normally available in desktops although suspect this will have an msata connection and If I was buying I would be wanting to strongly add an SSD for the operating system and the supplied HDD as storage (performance between SSD and HDD once tried you struggle to go back)

Toms hardware does a fairly in-depth review here on the APU and recommends it a smart buy when considering power, performance and efficiency:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-a10-7800-kaveri-apu-efficiency,3899.html

In answer to a specification that would out perform this in a desktop form this hotukdeal is not bad:
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/cube-slim-bing-series-desktop-pc-with-microsoft-windows-8-1-bing-230-box-co-uk-2071034

Although you would need to add a low profile 750 ti graphics card and buy the monitor (like the touch hanspree on amazon) - the result would out perform this but not be in such a neat package.

I_Am_A_Poser

"Processor AMD"

A decent computer worth it's salt will have an Intel Core CPU (Pentium CPU inside would be so-and-so).

Nonsense - A decent computer fulfils the function the user(s) requires of it - This one has an equivalent R7 260 built onto its die, please show me any Intel All in one at this price bracket that can play games to the same performance this one will?


Thanks for taking the time to give such an in depth reply. But as i am only going to use this machine for normal everyday stuff like web browsing, word, music and such like i don't think i would be looking at upgrading any of the current spec so think it would be more than adequate for my needs but am slightly concerned as the AIO seems very unpopular and wonder if i should go for a desktop instead......Oh the indecision! : - ( Is the touch screen a good thing or is it just a gimmick?

All in ones though are a niche market that carry a premium for those seeking that solution but what you have found I think is a good buy - desktop and laptops are the main fray and therefore normally where the bargains are to be had. I personally love touch screens - although when working on laptop for the first time with it and pointing at something without thinking it was a little odd ;)

What Poser has found is not a bad machine - here is a benchmark that list the both cpu's though with the AMD 7800 and an Intel i3 4010U (u indicating its severely hampered for efficiency reasons) where the Intel single thread scores 958 whilst the AMD7800 1,633 (neither cutting edge but the requirement you list doesn't need that).

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html


Again thanks for that informative response although it has only managed to further confuse/intrigue me as i have checked my current processor and it can be seen here http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Athlon+64+X2+Dual+Core+3600%2B so my question is now is this Lenovo going to noticeably different/faster?

Quite surprised by my current result as it is quite an old desktop or maybe i should be quite disappointed with the score of the Lenovo....... I do not know.........Argh.....lol

Help....
This benchmark says too close to call but then you look at benchmark which contradict that
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/AMD-Athlon-X2-3600-vs-AMD-A10-7800

This gives an overview of why you would struggle to compare:
http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/181/AMD_A10-Series_A10-7800_vs_AMD_Athlon_64_X2_3600+_(Socket_AM2__rev._G1__512KB).html

The previous benchmark compare I gave you was on the same chart - which would normally suggest same tooling used to test - age of 3600 and what that was scored against I can not imagine being the same tools being used for the AMD 7800

I think i understand if what you are saying is the comparisons made of each are against similar specs at that time so trying to compare the two with the results available does not work, is that right?

Think i am going to order this later on today before the offer ends and get John Lewis to price match with the added bonus of a 3 year warranty.

Thanks for all your help it makes a change from the normal responses received (I notice I_Am_A_Poser_1 has not replied to you) perhaps he is still researching!! lol
OK glad it helped as can see you have been considering for a while :)

Yep effectively when benchmarking they set out a suite of tests that is used to generate that score

Every so often they will revisit that set of tests as things evolve and what generates that score will change - in your explicit example I have not looked in depth but am making an assumption they are not directly comparable as an x2 3600 is fairly old now

Giving an analogy it would be like testing you how efficient your car using tests in the 1980's that did not take into account hybrid systems, energy recovery etc which is currently being looked at being readdressed in 2016 to give the consumer a clearer picture.

I am a poser did have a point just too biased in my view - top end spec wise Intel do have in hand, there is no denying that for high end performance an Intel is a good starting point with a discrete graphics card (depending exactly on requirements) - but when choosing a system my view is how much can I budget, what do I want it to do and how do I get best value for it to do that - the machine you have found I was considering for my spare room for the touch screen and capable of running the virtual training software I would want it to.

Thanks once again and yes your right i have been pondering for sometime and as i have had nothing but dell desktops and a laptop i am finding it even more difficult considering a move to Lenovo which seems to receive mixed reviews but i feel there are more good ones than bad ones and also the fat that i will get the 3 year warranty from John Lewis is helping to sway me into taking a chance..... lol

I noticed you said "I was considering" does that mean you have decided against it?


yep - my primary route was self build as I already have some components that I can place into it (like a 660ti graphics card, hdd and an ssd drive) - so whilst tempted I was always balancing with using those within a bespoke build - think the sway to play with a Silverstone raven case has won me over.

Ah right i get you i thought you were maybe considering something else with similar specs to this and if so i was going to ask what : - ))

Anyway that's it ordered and should be with me in the next few days but wont be opened til Xmas time but will let you know how i get on with it, from what i have read Windows 8.1 is going to take a bit off getting used as quite different from Vista!
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I've also been looking at this Lenovo and some interesting comments on here.
The AIO Currys/PCW are selling looks like a basic version compared to the B50-35 on Lenovo and John Lewis website. The PCW version only describes an integrated graphics card, whereas the Lenovo/JL version show a dedicated 2G Radeon R7 card.. are these the same, or different specs?

None the less, JL have agreed to price match so I need to decide if it's worth buying at JL with 2GB R7 card (£699 to £599 after price match + Lenovo VAT cashback) or from PCW using O2 priority moments (£549 (£50 O2) + VAT cashback).

Any thoughts?

I hadn't noticed the difference with the graphics card but i would think taking that into account along with the 3 year warranty that John Lewis would be the better option.

Only thing is i believe the cash back offer finishes today so we have to decide soon!

greyfergie
[quote=LongEH]I've also been looking at this Lenovo and some interesting comments on here.
The AIO Currys/PCW are selling looks like a basic version compared to the B50-35 on Lenovo and John Lewis website. The PCW version only describes an integrated graphics card, whereas the Lenovo/JL version show a dedicated 2G Radeon R7 card.. are these the same, or different specs?

None the less, JL have agreed to price match so I need to decide if it's worth buying at JL with 2GB R7 card (£699 to £599 after price match + Lenovo VAT cashback) or from PCW using O2 priority moments (£549 (£50 O2) + VAT cashback).

Any thoughts?

I hadn't noticed the difference with the graphics card but i would think taking that into account along with the 3 year warranty that John Lewis would be the better option.

Only thing is i believe the cash back offer finishes today so we have to decide soon!

Decisions.......

Went to local PCW and they confirmed their version is integrated graphics so after procrastinating over saving and extra £50 against dedicated graphics and 3 year warranty.. I've decided to go with the JL offer.

Mrs is also thrilled as she "thinks" this is an early xmas present.

Has the Lenovo arrived yet? If so how are you getting on with it?

I have ordered mines and should be have it in the incoming week but wont be opened til Xmas as it is a present.

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