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LIDL OFC Loudspeaker Cable (20 metres) £6.99

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OFC Loudspeaker Cable Made from 99.97% oxygen-free copper for high-quality sound Cable core: 2 x 1.5mm 20 metres Price per item
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OFC Loudspeaker Cable

Made from 99.97% oxygen-free copper for high-quality sound
Cable core: 2 x 1.5mm
20 metres
Price per item
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#1
Sorry smithy, but this stuff is s***e if you have a decent system.
#2
better than what comes with most all in one systems - so on that basis - hot
#3
Wow!!!! I paid hundreds of pounds for the speaker cables for my home cinema system, I wish I'd waited for this little bargain :lol:
#4
Perfect for me at this price though, (tone deaf and old system) :thumbsup:
#5
The Bear;6909620
Sorry smithy, but this stuff is s***e if you have a decent system.

My crap system doesn't sound any worse with it !!
Back to the 'Hot Deals', this stuff usually cost about £1.00 per metre so for those of us with 'lesser systems' might be useful
#6
Does it have a strand count? I'm dubious otherwise, lol.
#7
I suspect you'd have to spend a good few hundred on the speakers before you can tell the difference between this and more expensive cable. Has to be better than the bell wire you get with most speakers anyway.
2 Likes #8
anewman
I suspect you'd have to spend a good few hundred on the speakers before you can tell the difference between this and more expensive cable....


Not necessarily
#9
good buy better than the bell wire you get with systems. But if you want some cheap high end speaker cable try cat5 network cables been rated better than some expensive cables
10 Likes #10
I trained as a sound engineer in 1990/91 and I haven't found any one as of yet who can tell the difference between rip off price cable (supposedly high end cable) and ordinary cable that comes with your hifi. You pays your money and with cables you definitely get ripped off. Expensive HDMI cables with gold plated connectors etc are also a total rip off.

As per the above post, here's how to make DIY speaker cable >

http://www.venhaus1.com/diycatfivecables.html

Also the dictionary definition of audiophile = arrogant fool with an empty wallet
#11
#12
fishmaster
I trained as a sound engineer in 1990/91 and I haven't found any one as of yet who can tell the difference between rip off price cable (supposedly high end cable) and ordinary cable that comes with your hifi. You pays your money and with cables you definitely get ripped off. Expensive HDMI cables with gold plated connectors etc are also a total rip off.

As per the above post, here's how to make DIY speaker cable >

http://www.venhaus1.com/diycatfivecables.html

Also the dictionary definition of audiophile = arrogant fool with an empty wallet


Ha, good reply. I'll stop looking for a 'bargain' gold plated HDMI for my PS3 and stick with what I've got. Thanks for some simple advice. Rep left (and for OP)
#13
fishmaster
I trained as a sound engineer in 1990/91 and I haven't found any one as of yet who can tell the difference between rip off price cable (supposedly high end cable) and ordinary cable that comes with your hifi. You pays your money and with cables you definitely get ripped off. Expensive HDMI cables with gold plated connectors etc are also a total rip off.

As per the above post, here's how to make DIY speaker cable >

http://www.venhaus1.com/diycatfivecables.html

Also the dictionary definition of audiophile = arrogant fool with an empty wallet


Totally agree with fishmaster - unless you are listening for every pop and crack in a soundproofed room in Siberia with your million dollar headphones there is very little difference.
#14
Would have to disagree with the above. I wouldn't say I'm the biggest hifi nut but I can tell the difference in quality between cheapo cable and £5/m cable and then again up to £10/m. After that you find the difference in quality is almost indetectable so is only for those with plenty of cash to splash.

Not only that but different cable definitely gives different tonal qualities. I.e. will emphasise or dull trebble, midrange or bass.

Couldn't comment on visual cables but for speaker cable I'd read some reviews and if you like your audio stuff, get one of the lower end recommendations from what hifi (they tend to hit the mark prett well).

Saying that, for bog standard speaker cable that would probably match/beat that which comes as standard, it's a good deal so heat added.
#15
fishmaster
I trained as a sound engineer in 1990/91 and I haven't found any one as of yet who can tell the difference between rip off price cable (supposedly high end cable) and ordinary cable that comes with your hifi. You pays your money and with cables you definitely get ripped off. Expensive HDMI cables with gold plated connectors etc are also a total rip off.

As per the above post, here's how to make DIY speaker cable >

http://www.venhaus1.com/diycatfivecables.html

Also the dictionary definition of audiophile = arrogant fool with an empty wallet


Great post :)

A friend of mine spends silly money on cable, seeing as thats what makes him happy I let him be, but I do wonder if it makes much noticeable difference.
#16
I saw the picture and thought why is a cotton reel a hot deal!
#17
Although I agree that to the human ear you cant hear the difference between cheap cable and expensive stuff, this is decent good quality cable for the price of cheap stuff... so why not.
voted hot.
#18
The thing that gets me is its under Great Gift Ideas on the Lidl site, Can't see it going down too well in our house on Christmas morning
#19
I've just got 100m of speaker cable from a local electrical wholesalers for £7.50. Seems to work jolly good to me.
2 Likes #20
mission701;6911492
Would have to disagree with the above. I wouldn't say I'm the biggest hifi nut but I can tell the difference in quality between cheapo cable and £5/m cable and then again up to £10/m.
You probably can't, actually. You're just responding to the power of suggestion, unless you did a double-blind test. That's simply the only way of getting an accurate result. Same principle as using placebos in medical trials. If placebos weren't necessary to get a scientifically-valid result, the triallists wouldn't go to the trouble and expense of using them. You might genuinely think you can hear a difference when there is none, because you know that different cables are in use. It's simply human nature.

Don't believe the hifi comics' recommendations. They have one purpose in life: to serve those who advertise in them.
#21
Similarly, oxygen-free copper is a marketing gimmick: there's no proof that it actually makes any difference. And so is the number of strands: someone has abused the scientific principle of "skin effect" as a marketing ploy, when it is not significant at audio frequencies and is negated because the strands all touch each other so behave like a solid lump of copper anyway!
#22
I remember reading a quote from Roger Mayer who made the effects units for Jimi Hendrix. Jimi would complain that the sound wasn't right so Roger pretended to change the settings and Jimi said yup that's better now. Everyone is open to suggestion even the greats.
#23
The Bear
Sorry smithy, but this stuff is s***e if you have a decent system.


I've bought cable from a pound shop to extend a surround sound system. Felt it was as good as any OEM solution.

Hot.
3 Likes #24
pibpob
You probably can't, actually. You're just responding to the power of suggestion, unless you did a double-blind test. That's simply the only way of getting an accurate result. Same principle as using placebos in medical trials. If placebos weren't necessary to get a scientifically-valid result, the triallists wouldn't go to the trouble and expense of using them. You might genuinely think you can hear a difference when there is none, because you know that different cables are in use. It's simply human nature.

Don't believe the hifi comics' recommendations. They have one purpose in life: to serve those who advertise in them.


As a former recording studio owner and Electronics engineer of 30 years standing you are utterly correct.
Every person who states that one cable is better than another should be made to take a multiple blind test.
They did it to the 'pundits' at what-hifi a few years back.
BOY...were they embarrassed.
Not only could they not tell the difference, they couldn't detect the difference between a £100 CD player and a £10,000 system.
These are the people issuing prayers to the converted on what hi-fi you should buy.

You see, if they didn't pretend there was some 'magic' difference between cheap systems and expensive systems, they wouldn't have any advertising, they wouldn't have a magazine and they wouldn't have a job.

In my last studio, I had a custom Castle audio speaker system in the walls, with an acoustically measured room by Sony Acoustics labs.
What system did I prefer ?
The castle speakers and the 5 grand custom amp ?
Nope, a pair of mid-range Rokit monitors and a Mission Cyrus mk2.
So did all the bands and producers.

All sound equipment is utterly, utterly subjective.
#25
fishmaster


As per the above post, here's how to make DIY speaker cable >

http://www.venhaus1.com/diycatfivecables.html


Great link, rep for you! :thumbsup:
#26
Threlly
All sound equipment is utterly, utterly subjective.


FACT
#27
Threlly
As a former recording studio owner and Electronics engineer of 30 years standing you are utterly correct.
Every person who states that one cable is better than another should be made to take a multiple blind test.
They did it to the 'pundits' at what-hifi a few years back.
BOY...were they embarrassed.
Not only could they not tell the difference, they couldn't detect the difference between a £100 CD player and a £10,000 system.
These are the people issuing prayers to the converted on what hi-fi you should buy.

You see, if they didn't pretend there was some 'magic' difference between cheap systems and expensive systems, they wouldn't have any advertising, they wouldn't have a magazine and they wouldn't have a job.

In my last studio, I had a custom Castle audio speaker system in the walls, with an acoustically measured room by Sony Acoustics labs.
What system did I prefer ?
The castle speakers and the 5 grand custom amp ?
Nope, a pair of mid-range Rokit monitors and a Mission Cyrus mk2.
So did all the bands and producers.

All sound equipment is utterly, utterly subjective.


Fair enough, I've had Castles for years and found them to be far too soft, old man speakers (no offense ment there) just not sharp lacked clarity, a warm sound tho.

Sound is a personal thing and what sounds good to one person may not sound good to another.

I found Monitor Audio and Arcam to be a perfect match for me. Clear and lots of detail, but to some people would sound harsh.

I agree speaker cable is pretty much a con. The 3 pin power plugs they sell for hundreds of pounds are even funnier! that last metre from the plug socket is so important to the sound lol, the 20 metres of twin n earth to the distribution board doesn't factor in :P

If you want good sound at a cheaper price look towards headphones, spend 100 on some grado 80's and you'll have something very nice.

I would welcome a double blind test with some equipment, there are good cheap alternatives out there. I use a sonic impact t amp with my home pc to power the speakers, the results are more that adequate for myself, was cheap as chips too.

Guess what I'm saying is budget doesn't mean bad. Don't buy blind and try everything before you buy. Oh and second hand stuff is a land of bargins! people look after hifi!
#28
pibpob
You probably can't, actually. You're just responding to the power of suggestion, unless you did a double-blind test. That's simply the only way of getting an accurate result. Same principle as using placebos in medical trials. If placebos weren't necessary to get a scientifically-valid result, the triallists wouldn't go to the trouble and expense of using them. You might genuinely think you can hear a difference when there is none, because you know that different cables are in use. It's simply human nature.

Don't believe the hifi comics' recommendations. They have one purpose in life: to serve those who advertise in them.


It's when they review mains cables that I'm lost for words.
#29
Could someone please clarify:

The above has a 1.5mm diameter core?
In the Maplin link below, the Loudspeaker Cbl 20m N23AP at £8.99 has a 2mm diameter core?

http://maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=115110

What does the "13/0.2mm copper" constriction mean? 13 strands of 0.2mm copper? How would the Lidl stuff compare?

Basically, I'm going to be re-cabling the living room over xmas and am wondering whether to rush out to buy the Lidl cable now, or just get Maplin off the shelf when I need it?

Thanks
#30
Threlly
As a former recording studio owner and Electronics engineer of 30 years standing you are utterly correct.
Every person who states that one cable is better than another should be made to take a multiple blind test.


So, what type of cables did you use at your recording studio then? I take it you put your money where your mouth was and used bellwire everywhere?

Whilst I completely agree that "sound quality" is subjective, and the fact that I prefer the sound of my (home made for about £50) valve amp to most expensive audiophile products out there is completely without any scientific basis, the attitude that *none* of it is relevant is stupid. If that were the case everyone would be happy with an Amstrad mini system.

This attitude is probably the reason why so many of my albums are completely spoiled by errors in production that anyone with ears should be able to spot.

It's probably also the reason why I was able to make a £30 headamp (BT928) sound as good as a £200 one (OBH10) by ripping out half the components and replacing them with stuff that would have cost the factory an extra 50p to put in there. The "electronic engineer" in charge of the BT928 project must have been deaf -- a good circuit made to sound like an Alba by poor component choice. And we're not talking n-th percentile here, the difference was night and day.

A lot of your lot in the audio engineering world I have little respect for.
#31
What HiFi have been a laughing stock for many many years. Quite how they can make the claims they do about digital cables affecting the tonal quality of sound and improving colours goes against physics.
#32
Use mains cable, Cheap as chips, used it for years and gives me excellent sound quality.

Get the stranded variety rather than solid core..

And don't plug it into a socket !!!! Doh!!

Gun
#33
calathea
What HiFi have been a laughing stock for many many years. Quite how they can make the claims they do about digital cables affecting the tonal quality of sound and improving colours goes against physics.


Oh absolutely. I apply the same basic logic to hifi systems as I do to building PCs.

Spending £100 on a cable makes as much sense as spending £100 on 4GB of "gaming" memory or a "better" motherboard (each of which might give you an extra 3% of performance). Take that £100, and spend it on real improvements.

The original SPDIF standard can be affected by poor cabling (being as it is an uncorrected stream) but bus formats such as HDMI and USB are buffered to the point where any jitter is swept aside. And certainly anything above the very basic cables will be good enough for the error correction to do its job -- termination and clocking being far more of an issue anyway.
#34
jasejames
So, what type of cables did you use at your recording studio then? I take it you put your money where your mouth was and used bellwire everywhere?

Whilst I completely agree that "sound quality" is subjective, and the fact that I prefer the sound of my (home made for about £50) valve amp to most expensive audiophile products out there is completely without any scientific basis, the attitude that *none* of it is relevant is stupid. If that were the case everyone would be happy with an Amstrad mini system.

This attitude is probably the reason why so many of my albums are completely spoiled by errors in production that anyone with ears should be able to spot.

It's probably also the reason why I was able to make a £30 headamp (BT928) sound as good as a £200 one (OBH10) by ripping out half the components and replacing them with stuff that would have cost the factory an extra 50p to put in there. The "electronic engineer" in charge of the BT928 project must have been deaf -- a good circuit made to sound like an Alba by poor component choice. And we're not talking n-th percentile here, the difference was night and day.

A lot of your lot in the audio engineering world I have little respect for.


I'm guessing however that if the speaker wire that came with the Amstrad mini system was replaced with top of the range cable nobody could tell the difference in a double blind test.
1 Like #35
pibpob
Similarly, oxygen-free copper is a marketing gimmick: there's no proof that it actually makes any difference. And so is the number of strands: someone has abused the scientific principle of "skin effect" as a marketing ploy, when it is not significant at audio frequencies and is negated because the strands all touch each other so behave like a solid lump of copper anyway!


No, multi-strand cable does not behave exactly as a single-strand of the same aggregate cross-section. If it did, most cable would be solid unless extreme flexibility was essential! The way in which the electrons move within the multi-strands (even though touching) is different and has some advantages in conductivity etc (not purely in audio cabling). No doubt a physicist can tell us more.

GeeJay86
Could someone please clarify:

The above has a 1.5mm diameter core?
In the Maplin link below, the Loudspeaker Cbl 20m N23AP at £8.99 has a 2mm diameter core?

http://maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=115110

What does the "13/0.2mm copper" constriction mean? 13 strands of 0.2mm copper? How would the Lidl stuff compare?Thanks


The Maplin cable has a claimed outside dimension of 4mm x 2mm and the construction of each core is of 13 strands of copper, each of 0.2 mm diameter, so 0.41 sq mm in all and able to carry 2.5 amps safely, allowing for heating etc. The larger cables will carry proportionately higher currents. If correctly described, the Lidl cable is stated to be 2 cores each of 1.5mm (i.e. 1.5 sq mm) which is larger than the N20AP from Maplin. I don't know what current rating will suit the typical domestic hifi set-up (if there is such a thing) but a larger cable will avoid voltage drop if there is a run of any length.
#36
Try this;

http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Nordost%20ODIN%20Speaker%20Cable.htm

Personally I use Chord Odyssey 2 at home.

These are cheap for cables:

http://www.hificables.co.uk
#37
Quite good for a basic upgrade from the bell wire that normally comes with a system.
Best best is to make your own.

I've made a pair of interconnects with silver cable for around £15.
They sound as good if not better than Chord £150 ones!
#38


£23k on speaker cable!!!:w00t: That makes spending £33k on a pair of used B&W flagship nautilus speakers seem reasonable.

You have to question what 'quality' of equipment and cable is being used in the studios that produce the source music to be played on these super duper high end systems.
#39
D00nhamer
It's when they review mains cables that I'm lost for words.



I couldn’t believe that link. £275 for a kettle lead??? What planet are the chumps at 'What-HiFi' on?
They must all be on drugs or something if they think 'normal' people would be stupid enough to spend that on a power lead???
It beggars belief!
#40
The Maplin cable has a claimed outside dimension of 4mm x 2mm and the construction of each core is of 13 strands of copper, each of 0.2 mm diameter, so 0.41 sq mm in all and able to carry 2.5 amps safely, allowing for heating etc. The larger cables will carry proportionately higher currents. If correctly described, the Lidl cable is stated to be 2 cores each of 1.5mm (i.e. 1.5 sq mm) which is larger than the N20AP from Maplin. I don't know what current rating will suit the typical domestic hifi set-up (if there is such a thing) but a larger cable will avoid voltage drop if there is a run of any length.[/QUOTE]

:thumbsup: Top dog, many many thanks! Looks Like I'm off to Lidl on the 23rd then!

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