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Craig Busch is the LIONMAN, dedicating his life to the creation of the Zion Wildlife Gardens in New Zealand, where Craig and his partner Karen rear and interact with big cats. The Gardens is home to 14 Barbary Lions, seven Royal White Bengal Tigers, four Bengal Tigers and four rare White Lions; and thanks to this wonderful series you can get up close to these magnificent big cats too. Series two follows the Gardens' expansion and the subsequent disruption caused, in addition to following Craig on his adventures in South Africa and Thailand. Series 3 sees the arrival of the park's first Jaguars! Plus a special visit by the All Blacks Rugby team.

This is a pretty good series

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#1
i used to love this programme till i read up on his cruelty not only to his animals but also his wife/partner, refuse to watch the animal/wife bashing swine anymore, however good price op :)
#2
Poor bloke caught his wife wife in bed with two people:oops:, not saying he should have beaten her up tho!!:thumbsup:
#3
Any such action is understandable when faced with that situation, which is what the judge basically said when dealing with his case in court.'Judge Michael Lance, at sentencing, said the situation that Busch confronted must have been "traumatic in the extreme".judge said Busch's initial anger was "human and understandable".
#4
dodman2009
Poor bloke caught his wife wife in bed with two people:oops:, not saying he should have beaten her up tho!!:thumbsup:


Some people only want to read as far as they want to......

Wife got this for turkey day, just finished watching it. Good Series.
#5
Awesome series - shame there isn't more
#6
Doesn't look like Robert Downey Jr.
#7
[quote=Shengis;7344808]Some people only want to read as far as they want to......
No actually I went as far as to read this bit aswell.......
An aggravating factor was the two assaults in a short period of time and that Busch had a previous conviction for assaulting a female in 1991.
or maybe he found that one in bed with someone else too..........and i went even further to read about the animals he declawed for commercial purposes, but then I suppose thats ok too ?
odd sort of chap isnt he females and dumb animals.........cant find any reports of him picking on men his own size what a hero
.
#8
traceym;7346247
[quote=Shengis]Some people only want to read as far as they want to......
No actually I went as far as to read this bit aswell.......
An aggravating factor was the two assaults in a short period of time and that Busch had a previous conviction for assaulting a female in 1991.
or maybe he found that one in bed with someone else too..........and i went even further to read about the animals he declawed for commercial purposes, but then I suppose thats ok too ?
odd sort of chap isnt he females and dumb animals.........cant find any reports of him picking on men his own size what a hero
.


Yes go on girl power the SISTERHOOD.
#9
Brilliant, hot from me. Shame I didn't see this before christmas as my sister loves the show and would have made a great present.
#10
traceym
i used to love this programme till i read up on his cruelty not only to his animals but also his wife/partner, refuse to watch the animal/wife bashing swine anymore, however good price op :)


I've enjoyed watching this show recently on Sky One/Three; didn't realise about any of the assault/declawing controversy until now. Would have bought this at that price as the series have been great to watch, but I disagree with destroying endangered white tigers if they attack humans in this situation. If they want to take big cats from the wild and keep them in their wildlife park (to supposedly increase their numbers!?), they should accept the fact the animals are a danger to humans.
#11
read that he is also barred from going to the sanctuary as well :-D

apparently his mom owns most of it and she got the court order :-D

one of the workers got killed by a lion earlier this year :x

good series though, but the cruelty ffs!
#12
This set is also in Poundstretcher... can't remember how much but think it was £10 :thumbsup:
#13
it was the tiger Abu that killed the keeper there this year. google it for the news article.
#14
traceym
i used to love this programme till i read up on his cruelty not only to his animals but also his wife/partner, refuse to watch the animal/wife bashing swine anymore


Ditto.
#15
The reason there has been a lot of public support for Craig (which is highly unusual for someone who has admitted assaulting a female) is the extreme provocation. We've all imagined what it would be like coming home to this scene and wondered how we would react. I'd like to think I would just leave, but how can you really know what it would be like? I recall finding out that the woman I was in love with had been having an affair and I can tell you the emotions are impossible to describe. It's hard not to be sympathetic to someone who had to walk in to a room and see it.

Just a reminder, I do not condone any sort of violence. Craig was punished and rightly so - we cannot have a society where assault goes unpunished. I'm just saying there is a good case for "mitigating circumstances" here.

Anyway, let's talk about the version of events described by Karen and the South African couple she was in bed with. Not because it would serve any useful purpose to do so, but because I'm just like other Kiwis and I can't resist talking about it.

First of all, Karen tried to paint Craig as a wolf in sheep's clothing. Rather than a gentle animal-loving man, she claimed he is a short-tempered animal abuser. To back this up she presented a couple of video shots showing Craig "mistreating" animals. Well call me callous but I couldn't see it. There was half a shot of a lion club being given a clip around the ear and a couple of shots of Aslan being forcefully led and then having his ears flicked. Aslan didn't even flinch at the ear-flicking and the other shots looked like they could easily have been genuine attempts to make the animals behave. Go to any New Zealand race day and see how the horses are "led" into the gates - this is much more dramatic than what Craig was doing. I wonder if the dragging shot had been accompanied by a different voiceover what the message might have been... perhaps a jovial narrator saying "Aslan's being a bit stubborn today so Craig needs to lay down the law". Quite a different effect.

So I'm thinking.... You've been living with this guy for how long? With cameras running day and night, and these shots are all you have to show that he's not a nice guy? Frankly I'd give that round to Craig.

Next we get to the infamous evening. Apparently Craig had earlier told Karen that their relationship was over, or implied as much. Of course we only have Karen's word on that. So while Craig is out Karen goes up to the bedroom where the couple are staying to seek comfort (not sex as has been assumed by the public).

Karen backs up the "no sex" scenario by saying she had recently undergone a "D&C" gynaecological procedure which would have made intercourse uncomfortable. Fair enough, but no-one was saying that intercourse was happening - anyone who thinks a sexual threesome must include intercourse is lacking imagination. Anyway, I know of a woman who happily had intercourse the day after giving birth. In short, the D&C argument was irrelevant.

Back to the bedroom. Distraught, Karen begins undressing. In her mind that's quite appropriate and not at all sexual. The couple agree that this is perfectly normal and non-arousing, so they ask her to lie between them so they can comfort her (nakedly). The ladies kiss, but again, it's not sexual.

And that's it. That's the explanation. Not even so much as "it was hot so I took some clothes off". When pressed about why she needed to be naked to be consoled, Karen declines to answer. "Because I felt like it" were her words.

Oh dear. Round two to Craig.

Next there is the assault itself. Craig's version on Close Up sounded a little thin, it wouldn't surprise me if he was being frugal with the facts. He seemed suspiciously unclear about how the injuries had occurred - "Maybe the wine glass or something". On the other hand Karen and the couple described a brutal assault scene, after which they were given their marching orders.

This is where things become alarming. The couple say they were "torn" about what to do and weren't happy about leaving Karen and Craig alone. WHAT? After the horriffic scene they had just described, they were "torn" about whether to leave? Come on, any reasonable person would have put Karen's safety first and taken her with them, or done something to protect her. The couple didn't even call the police. They just drove away and left someone they describe as a dear friend to the mercy of a violent maniac.

This story just doesn't stack up. Round three goes to Craig.

Yet again, we have a situation where it's one side's version against the others and we're left to judge without knowing the facts. And judge we will, because it's too interesting not to.

Here's my armchair judgement:

(1) Craig is no angel. He has a previous conviction and he admitted this assault. He should work on his anger issues before it happens again. However there is nothing to suggest his treatment of animals or his commitment to their well-being is anything but genuine.

(2) Karen and the South African couple have presented what appears to be a hatchet job on Craig, filled with accounts that lack credibility.

Conclusion: The Lion Man committed a spontaneous crime of passion, then the Lioness committed a calculated act of revenge. Neither was pretty.

For mine, I'll forgive Craig because of the mitigating circumstances and I would be happy to watch another series of the Lion Man sans partner. My suggestion for the first episode would be for him to talk about how he's dealing with his anger issues and the steps he's taking to make sure he never acts violently again.
#16
I'm with Craig Busch on this. Very easy to be sanctimoneous, judgemental and a keyboard warrior from 11682 miles away.
#17
The guy is a complete %%*$.
The series has been banned from my house for a while now.
#18
buckfast67uk
I'm with Craig Busch on this. Very easy to be sanctimoneous, judgemental and a keyboard warrior from 11682 miles away.


Assaulted his ex-partner Karen Greybrook twice in January 2005 in Whangarei
Also a previous assault conviction for similar "domestic" violence in 1991


Nice. Just because you like the TV personality, you are willing to ignore the domestic violence?
I supposed you liked Garry Glitter's music.. :whistling:
#19
Sorry, Rant over :)
#20
an honest question here, what do you think you would do if you found your wife/partner in bed with two other people ?
#21
bobbi
an honest question here, what do you think you would do if you found your wife/partner in bed with two other people ?


Badger game?
#22
I watch hoping he will get eaten by a tiger...what a ponce this guy is...nearly as bad as that Crocodile fella.....and we all know he met a sticky end...
#23
Join in?
#24
wewontgetfooleda
The reason there has been a lot of public support for Craig (which is highly unusual for someone who has admitted assaulting a female) is the extreme provocation. We've all imagined what it would be like coming home to this scene and wondered how we would react. I'd like to think I would just leave, but how can you really know what it would be like? I recall finding out that the woman I was in love with had been having an affair and I can tell you the emotions are impossible to describe. It's hard not to be sympathetic to someone who had to walk in to a room and see it.

Just a reminder, I do not condone any sort of violence. Craig was punished and rightly so - we cannot have a society where assault goes unpunished. I'm just saying there is a good case for "mitigating circumstances" here.

Anyway, let's talk about the version of events described by Karen and the South African couple she was in bed with. Not because it would serve any useful purpose to do so, but because I'm just like other Kiwis and I can't resist talking about it.

First of all, Karen tried to paint Craig as a wolf in sheep's clothing. Rather than a gentle animal-loving man, she claimed he is a short-tempered animal abuser. To back this up she presented a couple of video shots showing Craig "mistreating" animals. Well call me callous but I couldn't see it. There was half a shot of a lion club being given a clip around the ear and a couple of shots of Aslan being forcefully led and then having his ears flicked. Aslan didn't even flinch at the ear-flicking and the other shots looked like they could easily have been genuine attempts to make the animals behave. Go to any New Zealand race day and see how the horses are "led" into the gates - this is much more dramatic than what Craig was doing. I wonder if the dragging shot had been accompanied by a different voiceover what the message might have been... perhaps a jovial narrator saying "Aslan's being a bit stubborn today so Craig needs to lay down the law". Quite a different effect.

So I'm thinking.... You've been living with this guy for how long? With cameras running day and night, and these shots are all you have to show that he's not a nice guy? Frankly I'd give that round to Craig.

Next we get to the infamous evening. Apparently Craig had earlier told Karen that their relationship was over, or implied as much. Of course we only have Karen's word on that. So while Craig is out Karen goes up to the bedroom where the couple are staying to seek comfort (not sex as has been assumed by the public).

Karen backs up the "no sex" scenario by saying she had recently undergone a "D&C" gynaecological procedure which would have made intercourse uncomfortable. Fair enough, but no-one was saying that intercourse was happening - anyone who thinks a sexual threesome must include intercourse is lacking imagination. Anyway, I know of a woman who happily had intercourse the day after giving birth. In short, the D&C argument was irrelevant.

Back to the bedroom. Distraught, Karen begins undressing. In her mind that's quite appropriate and not at all sexual. The couple agree that this is perfectly normal and non-arousing, so they ask her to lie between them so they can comfort her (nakedly). The ladies kiss, but again, it's not sexual.

And that's it. That's the explanation. Not even so much as "it was hot so I took some clothes off". When pressed about why she needed to be naked to be consoled, Karen declines to answer. "Because I felt like it" were her words.

Oh dear. Round two to Craig.

Next there is the assault itself. Craig's version on Close Up sounded a little thin, it wouldn't surprise me if he was being frugal with the facts. He seemed suspiciously unclear about how the injuries had occurred - "Maybe the wine glass or something". On the other hand Karen and the couple described a brutal assault scene, after which they were given their marching orders.

This is where things become alarming. The couple say they were "torn" about what to do and weren't happy about leaving Karen and Craig alone. WHAT? After the horriffic scene they had just described, they were "torn" about whether to leave? Come on, any reasonable person would have put Karen's safety first and taken her with them, or done something to protect her. The couple didn't even call the police. They just drove away and left someone they describe as a dear friend to the mercy of a violent maniac.

This story just doesn't stack up. Round three goes to Craig.

Yet again, we have a situation where it's one side's version against the others and we're left to judge without knowing the facts. And judge we will, because it's too interesting not to.

Here's my armchair judgement:

(1) Craig is no angel. He has a previous conviction and he admitted this assault. He should work on his anger issues before it happens again. However there is nothing to suggest his treatment of animals or his commitment to their well-being is anything but genuine.

(2) Karen and the South African couple have presented what appears to be a hatchet job on Craig, filled with accounts that lack credibility.

Conclusion: The Lion Man committed a spontaneous crime of passion, then the Lioness committed a calculated act of revenge. Neither was pretty.

For mine, I'll forgive Craig because of the mitigating circumstances and I would be happy to watch another series of the Lion Man sans partner. My suggestion for the first episode would be for him to talk about how he's dealing with his anger issues and the steps he's taking to make sure he never acts violently again.


Well said :thumbsup:
#25
djfluff
Nice. Just because you like the TV personality, you are willing to ignore the domestic violence?
I supposed you liked Garry Glitter's music.. :whistling:


Derrr
#26
wewontgetfooleda
The reason there has been a lot of public support for Craig (which is highly unusual for someone who has admitted assaulting a female) is the extreme provocation. We've all imagined what it would be like coming home to this scene and wondered how we would react. I'd like to think I would just leave, but how can you really know what it would be like? I recall finding out that the woman I was in love with had been having an affair and I can tell you the emotions are impossible to describe. It's hard not to be sympathetic to someone who had to walk in to a room and see it.

Just a reminder, I do not condone any sort of violence. Craig was punished and rightly so - we cannot have a society where assault goes unpunished. I'm just saying there is a good case for "mitigating circumstances" here.

Anyway, let's talk about the version of events described by Karen and the South African couple she was in bed with. Not because it would serve any useful purpose to do so, but because I'm just like other Kiwis and I can't resist talking about it.

First of all, Karen tried to paint Craig as a wolf in sheep's clothing. Rather than a gentle animal-loving man, she claimed he is a short-tempered animal abuser. To back this up she presented a couple of video shots showing Craig "mistreating" animals. Well call me callous but I couldn't see it. There was half a shot of a lion club being given a clip around the ear and a couple of shots of Aslan being forcefully led and then having his ears flicked. Aslan didn't even flinch at the ear-flicking and the other shots looked like they could easily have been genuine attempts to make the animals behave. Go to any New Zealand race day and see how the horses are "led" into the gates - this is much more dramatic than what Craig was doing. I wonder if the dragging shot had been accompanied by a different voiceover what the message might have been... perhaps a jovial narrator saying "Aslan's being a bit stubborn today so Craig needs to lay down the law". Quite a different effect.

So I'm thinking.... You've been living with this guy for how long? With cameras running day and night, and these shots are all you have to show that he's not a nice guy? Frankly I'd give that round to Craig.

Next we get to the infamous evening. Apparently Craig had earlier told Karen that their relationship was over, or implied as much. Of course we only have Karen's word on that. So while Craig is out Karen goes up to the bedroom where the couple are staying to seek comfort (not sex as has been assumed by the public).

Karen backs up the "no sex" scenario by saying she had recently undergone a "D&C" gynaecological procedure which would have made intercourse uncomfortable. Fair enough, but no-one was saying that intercourse was happening - anyone who thinks a sexual threesome must include intercourse is lacking imagination. Anyway, I know of a woman who happily had intercourse the day after giving birth. In short, the D&C argument was irrelevant.

Back to the bedroom. Distraught, Karen begins undressing. In her mind that's quite appropriate and not at all sexual. The couple agree that this is perfectly normal and non-arousing, so they ask her to lie between them so they can comfort her (nakedly). The ladies kiss, but again, it's not sexual.

And that's it. That's the explanation. Not even so much as "it was hot so I took some clothes off". When pressed about why she needed to be naked to be consoled, Karen declines to answer. "Because I felt like it" were her words.

Oh dear. Round two to Craig.

Next there is the assault itself. Craig's version on Close Up sounded a little thin, it wouldn't surprise me if he was being frugal with the facts. He seemed suspiciously unclear about how the injuries had occurred - "Maybe the wine glass or something". On the other hand Karen and the couple described a brutal assault scene, after which they were given their marching orders.

This is where things become alarming. The couple say they were "torn" about what to do and weren't happy about leaving Karen and Craig alone. WHAT? After the horriffic scene they had just described, they were "torn" about whether to leave? Come on, any reasonable person would have put Karen's safety first and taken her with them, or done something to protect her. The couple didn't even call the police. They just drove away and left someone they describe as a dear friend to the mercy of a violent maniac.

This story just doesn't stack up. Round three goes to Craig.

Yet again, we have a situation where it's one side's version against the others and we're left to judge without knowing the facts. And judge we will, because it's too interesting not to.

Here's my armchair judgement:

(1) Craig is no angel. He has a previous conviction and he admitted this assault. He should work on his anger issues before it happens again. However there is nothing to suggest his treatment of animals or his commitment to their well-being is anything but genuine.

(2) Karen and the South African couple have presented what appears to be a hatchet job on Craig, filled with accounts that lack credibility.

Conclusion: The Lion Man committed a spontaneous crime of passion, then the Lioness committed a calculated act of revenge. Neither was pretty.

For mine, I'll forgive Craig because of the mitigating circumstances and I would be happy to watch another series of the Lion Man sans partner.


+1 :thumbsup:
#27
i would knock the CRAP out of both of them for humiliating me. good series for what it is. A program about endangered wildcats. hot
#28
Happy Christmas djfluff
#29
Craig is a great man, i would happily buy another series if it is made.
#30
djfluff
I supposed you liked Garry Glitter's music.. :whistling:


This Top of the pops appearance was, shall we say 'memorable' :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fitWVL4gX7M
#31
I went over to Zion wildlife gardens around 3 years ago. It is an amazing place and it's lovely to watch the series knowing I was there. Craig was away at the time, but it seems i went mid way through the series 3 filming after the white lion cubs and white tiger cubs were born as I had the chance to play with them. Someone mentioned about someone getting killed there earlier this year. Yes, that was Dalu, he was the gentleman who took me round and let me play with the cubs. He was such an amazing guy and I firmly beleive that he Craig was still at the park, Dalu would still be here today. The lions and tigers lost their father figure at the park and Dalu was the only other strong male they were used to, but the animals won the power struggle.

Anyway, enough of that... this is an amazing series at a brilliant price!!
#32
to be honest, who needs this set when the episodes are just played over and over on sky three daily.
#33
They actually had this cheaper on price-drop the other day.
#34
i saw that too but i think that was just for seasons 1 & 2!:thumbsup:
#35
I'm no expert, but i think the MAF vets were there when the "declawing" took place and Craig sort alot of advise about the action prior to doing so.

I agree Dalu was in more danger with Craig not working there, but you can't say it wouldn't have happened, but it would have been less likley to happen. These white tigers are the most dangerous and volatile they have at the park.

With regards to the assault, everyone makes mistakes, i understand somepeople not being able to forgive and overlook this, but others can.

A great show and hoping that Craig gets his park back soon.


Falze.

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