Mamas and Papas Alto Group 2-3 (3-11 yrs) Car Seat - £19.99 (was £49.99) @ Argos ! - HotUKDeals
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Suitable from 15 to 36kg (approx 3 to 11 years)
Forward facing
Adjustable head rest
Side impact protection
Washable cover
Head support

Spacious seat with deep shell and side wings which provide additional hip and side impact protection.
Six position adjustable head rest and head support.
Lightweight design ensures it is easy to transfer between vehicles.
Vehicle's lap and diagonal belt is used to secure the child and seat.
Removable and washable covers.
Complies with ECE R44/04.
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#1
I've recently bought two new car seats for my kids and when i saw this price in argos a bit ago i thought it was cheap but then i read the which online report and it has got a very bad rating..

- It says its difficult to use, hard to buckle the child in and the crash safety is unacceptable, dont buy this seat.

I havent voted cold as it is a good price reduction but i wouldnt say a good product to buy for the safety of the children.
#2
BTW - the dont buy this seat bit was a small bit of what the which report said...thats not my opinion.
#3
This deal was posted week or two ago at 24.99 which is a good price, but it is apparantly a terrible car seat.

I actually bought one ages ago for 50 or 60 pounds as their weren't any bad reviews about it then, I haven't had a problem with it, though.

My son is old enough for a standard booster seat now so I assume it makes no difference if I use it either as a full seat or a booster seat, but probably shouldn't be considered for younger children, according to the reports.
#4
I voted this hot. If they sell the seat it must be safe, otherwise it wouldn't be in the shops.....
#5
I just bought this seat as £20 is a bargin for a seat this size. So far I havn't had any trouble with the seat and I plan to leave the seat in the car at all times, I guess some people may have problem with repetitive installation and un-installation. No other car seat this size comes up at this price range.
1 Like #6
ROSHAN;1552582
So far I havn't had any trouble with the seat


unfortuantly no one will have a problem with this seat until you have a crash

with regards to the person who posted if they sell this seat it must be safe

yes its safe upto a certain standard....however when independent tests were carried out on it ...the advice was don't buy it as it isnt safe (it failed the tests)

however...........having this seat is still a lot better than having non at all
#7
Hmmm - reserved one but not sure now....are we 100% sure it's this very seat that Which are claiming is'nt good.....there's many different ones in the M&P range........
#8
mikeyw
Hmmm - reserved one but not sure now....are we 100% sure it's this very seat that Which are claiming is'nt good.....there's many different ones in the M&P range........


Yes it is this seat that Which tested and it didn't gain very good results .
1 Like #9
There is some info on safety seats on this page, see the second post by Chasingsquirrels
http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/67/454697

From memory, apart from the side impact protection, the issue is around what happens in a side impact or indirect impact where the child can twist and slip out of the adult seat belt. The non-attached two or three piece seats, which come apart to give a booster cushion seem to be the worst rated for this, as opposed to the ones which have their own straps to hold in the child.

Hope that helps.
1 Like #10
Just pray you folks with this seat dont have an accident, i couldnt live with myself if i knew i had a unsafe seat and my child died because of it, just for the sake of saving a few quid

The Britax Evolva 2-3 always gets tops marks in the Which tests and can be had for around £40-£50 not alot more is it.
#11
please take it from someone who knows about this car seat. i purchased this from argos back last september for £50. my son was old enough to fit in it and it was for his age group. when i first put the seat in, my son could wriggle out of the seat belt, take the belt off and was sitting happily enough in the back of the car. not good for me though as i was doin the speed limit on a 40mph road. i had to stop and put him back in but soon after i started again, he got out of the seat again. as soon as i got home, he went back into his strapped in car seat. i bought another one from mothercare and took this one straight back to argos. They werent going to refund me either but they eventually did. you pay for what you get, in this case a ****** car seat for a hefty price (well £50 i paid for it but now its down to £20 then fair comment)
#12
Thanks for the heads up on this, i cant believe M&P don't just scrap this as a bad job, and Argos should just bin the lot, they obviously know its rubbish hence the price drop :x
#13
Please do not buy this car seat - although the price is good, the Which review is appalling -

Mamas and Papas Alto
Price (£) 30
Total score (%) 25
Specifications
Seat categories
Group 1;Group 2/3
Weight groups 9-36kg
Weight (kg) 3
Part of a travel system No
Ratings
Comfort 4/5
Performance
Front crash 2/5
Side crash 2/5
Overall safety 2/5

Fitting and using
Fitting in car 5/5
Belt routing 3/5
Buckling up 1/5
Daily use 1/5
Instructions 4/5
Correct use 4/5


It’s difficult to use – we had great difficulty buckling the child securely into the seat. And the crash performance is very poor with unacceptably high loads in both front and side crashes. Don’t buy this seat

Pros: None.

Cons: Poor safety. Difficult to buckle up
#14
deanos
Just pray you folks with this seat dont have an accident, i couldnt live with myself if i knew i had a unsafe seat and my child died because of it, just for the sake of saving a few quid

The Britax Evolva 2-3 always gets tops marks in the Which tests and can be had for around £40-£50 not alot more is it.


Or the Hi Liner which is virtually identical is also around this price and scores virtually the same as the Evolva 23 http://www.mothercare.com/gp/product/B000X8IH1I/ref=sr_11_1?ie=UTF8&mcb=core
#15
I'm pleased others have all also echoed what i thought and tried to say but didnt want to offend.

At the end of the day a childs safety is the most important thing when buying a car seat.. for the sake of say £30 extra to get the britax one...no competition really.

I recently paid £1 to get the 30 day which trial and it shows you all of the car seat reviews. It had in there that some seats that were recommended as a do not buy were still on sale.. in m&p, argos and tesco to name a few big stores.

The which trial states that yes, most car seats are tested to a certain level and therefore deemed safe. They test them at a higher speed and impact and rate them on front, side impact score etc... You want your seat to be safe in a more dangerous crash even though these are rare - hopefully!
#16
Jack Bauer
Thanks for the heads up on this, i cant believe M&P don't just scrap this as a bad job, and Argos should just bin the lot, they obviously know its rubbish hence the price drop :x


This is the problem though , it passes all the official tests , kitemark tests etc but Which test the seats even further with crash test dummies for front and side impact , ease of use etc and this is what they fail on big style . I always refer to the Which reports when choosing my seats , I have Maxi Cosi Rodi XP (last count was 4 of them !) , Maxi Cosi Priori XP and a couple of the other leading scoring seats .
#17
I've also just gone for Maxi cosi for both of children.
#18
I saw this seat on the M&P website a couple of weeks ago for £25 and thought it looked good. I decided I better read some reviews and also signed up for the £1 one month trial with Which. The review (as posted above) was terrible and even went as far as to say "DO NOT BUY THIS SEAT".

In the end we purchased a Maxi Cosi Rodi XP for £59.99 which although quite a bit dearer has reassured me that my daughter will be safer in the car.
#19
natalie1974
Or the Hi Liner which is virtually identical is also around this price and scores virtually the same as the Evolva 23 http://www.mothercare.com/gp/product/B000X8IH1I/ref=sr_11_1?ie=UTF8&mcb=core



Yes of course forgot about that, the Evolvas are alot more padded than the Hi-Liners tho, more comfort for the little ones :thumbsup:
#20
Its disgraceful that they continue to sell this seat.
I thought M&P were a respected brand, but this just looks like they are trying to clear stock they have to rather than pull the entire car seat.
I considered this seat for one second saw the reviews and will get another Maxi Cosi XP, no contest, top seat.
#21
lookscheap - you are paying for the name...was't as pricey as some rrps are

I only ever buy maxi cosi
#22
sconto;1552559
I voted this hot. If they sell the seat it must be safe, otherwise it wouldn't be in the shops.....

Eeee I never thought about it like that, I'm just nipping out for some fags - always thought they were dangerous, but if they sell them in the shops ........
I made the mistake a while ago of just looking at the price - when I fianlly got round to checking the crash test results it went to the tip - it was 6 months old and a waste of £40 (it was a Graco but same seat could also be found badged as M&P) - I now have Concorde and Maxi-Cosi but I could afford to buy them.
However - if you are one of those people who've not got round to getting one at all (I see someone at least once a week) - or if your budget is so tight it means the only other option is a dodgy second hand one off a car boot, then ignore all us doom merchants, this is going to be better than either of those options.
#23
Hi there

I am after a britax highliner as it's the highest rating car seat that fits in our car but they have been on offers in the apst at £20- £25 any I have found lately have been £40 or more I beleive they are disconituing them in favour of the evolva. I ned one for an occasional nursery run with another child - anyone seen a good offer on a Britax highliner?

BB
#24
They were selling them off thats why they were so cheap, the Evolva is only about £20 more
#25
how do u find out the best car seat for your car?
#26
edjaned
how do u find out the best car seat for your car?


Look at the Which reports , i have uploaded it here, http://users.aol.com/dco634/Seat%20Report%202007.pdf

Then you need to go to a shop to check it fits your car ok by physically trying it , if its a Britax seat they have a fit finder here as they have already checked the seats in various cars >http://www.britax.co.uk/index.php?option=com_fitfinder&home=1&Itemid=62

The best seats are ISOFIX ones as they stay firmly fixed and become part of the car chasis
#27
Does anyone know how the Graco Rally Sport car seats faired in testing? (Got a feeling not massively well)
They don't seem to be mentioned in the report deanos graciously shared, probably due to being an older model.
#28
The Graco Rally Sport is based on the Junior which also got a do not buy in the 05 or 06 report cant remember which one.
#29
deanos
The Graco Rally Sport is based on the Junior which also got a do not buy in the 05 or 06 report cant remember which one.


Thanks :oops:
#30
20 years ago, no one used these seats... I used to sleep on the back seat/in the front with mum... how things change!
1 Like #31
TinoP
20 years ago, no one used these seats... I used to sleep on the back seat/in the front with mum... how things change!


its the looneys on the roads. thats whats changed. hence the need for all the protection for your children you can get.:-D
#32
my car is not on it,its a mitsibishi delicia,is it halfords that try them in the car for you?
#33
Yes Halfords will check the seats in your car, make sure it fits then order it online cheaper :thumbsup:

Dont beleive the waffle they spout tho about safety rating, the one i went into said the Which reports are a waste of time and not to trust them, i would rather trust Which than a snotty sales assistant from Halfords !
#34
does anyone know if any car seats are safe with lap belts?
#35
edjaned
does anyone know if any car seats are safe with lap belts?


How do you mean ? What kind of car seat are you referring to ? What age would the child be that is using the seat ?
#36
edjaned
does anyone know if any car seats are safe with lap belts?


Double post for some reason !

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