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* 13 amp.
* 1m cable.
* Neon mains indicator.
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#1
http://www.argos.co.uk/wcsstore/argos/images/9827136A59UC29906X.jpg
#2
Great deal. Heat added
1 Like #3
Heat added as it IS a bargain, but people do still remember that these should only take a maximum of 13 amps total??

Using all 6 sockets would mean you'd at most have 4 radio alarm clocks and two rechargable toothbrushes!!!!!

If your planning on sticking your TV, DVD Recorder, Cable TV Box, Playstation 3, Hi Fi and Mobile Phone in one, have a jolly unsafe christmas!!!!:whistling:
#4
not surge protected as mentioned
#5
too risky
#6
Waterboy8535
Heat added as it IS a bargain, but people do still remember that these should only take a maximum of 13 amps total??

Using all 6 sockets would mean you'd at most have 4 radio alarm clocks and two rechargable toothbrushes!!!!!

If your planning on sticking your TV, DVD Recorder, Cable TV Box, Playstation 3, Hi Fi and Mobile Phone in one, have a jolly unsafe christmas!!!!:whistling:


What would one recommend instead please?
#7
lance w
What would one recommend instead please?


I have a belkin surgmaster which have had about 12 months and has the following connected without any problems

Lcd tv
Sky +
Dvd player
Wii
Ps3
Xbox 360
Surround sound system
House phone
#8
NFS
I have a belkin surgmaster which have had about 12 months and has the following connected without any problems

Lcd tv
Sky +
Dvd player
Wii
Ps3
Xbox 360
Surround sound system
House phone


Thank you! I think i'll get this http://www.amazon.co.uk/Belkin-PureAV-Cinema-Surge-Protector/dp/B0003056QU
#9
Waterboy8535
Heat added as it IS a bargain, but people do still remember that these should only take a maximum of 13 amps total??

Using all 6 sockets would mean you'd at most have 4 radio alarm clocks and two rechargable toothbrushes!!!!!

If your planning on sticking your TV, DVD Recorder, Cable TV Box, Playstation 3, Hi Fi and Mobile Phone in one, have a jolly unsafe christmas!!!!:whistling:



Not True!
The smallest fuse for a plug is 3 Amps meaning if you had 6 of anything connected it would equal 18 Amps MINIMUM.

Good find Have some heat.
BTW i don't think it works quite like that though, think ring main, circuit breaker and ALL YOUR household appliances.

should be OK for things that don't have TOO high a wattage i.e. washing machine, vacuum and electric heater all on one of these.
#10
Waterboy8535
Heat added as it IS a bargain, but people do still remember that these should only take a maximum of 13 amps total??

Using all 6 sockets would mean you'd at most have 4 radio alarm clocks and two rechargable toothbrushes!!!!!

If your planning on sticking your TV, DVD Recorder, Cable TV Box, Playstation 3, Hi Fi and Mobile Phone in one, have a jolly unsafe christmas!!!!:whistling:


very helpful post. some people wouldnt have known this. rep added for sure.:thumbsup:
[Moderator]#11
Not voting cold, but speaking from experience I wouldn't buy this, instead id pay extra and get one with Surge Protection/RCD.
A fried PC costs a lot to rebuild :whistling:
1 Like #12
I am a spark and i highly recommend you avoid this, and if you are getting one no matter what at least make sure your ring (sockets) are RCD protected, a 13a socket outlet is what it says - 13a so my advice is run in additional sockets or you may find the circuit is overloaded which will cause the cables to overheat and break down, oh and merry christmas:santa:
#13
A fried PC costs a lot to rebuild


But Fried Chicken Tastes Better !? ;-)
[Moderator]#14
kevingattaca2
But Fried Chicken Tastes Better !? ;-)

cheaper to buy and smells better too :-D
#15
bargain surfer
Not True!
The smallest fuse for a plug is 3 Amps meaning if you had 6 of anything connected it would equal 18 Amps MINIMUM..


NOT TRUE! Right back at you;-)

Check the shaver plug that you need to plug a shaver or rechargeable toothbrush into a normal socket. You will find that they have 1 Amp Fuses in them!

Although now reassessing, that means you can only have 3 radio alarm clocks instead of 4 else you'd be at 14 amps. :thinking:

So, 3 Radio Alarm clocks and 2 toothbrushes and a shaver it is then!:-D
1 Like #16
People have said to get Belkin ones instead but remember that every multisocket should only take the maximum ampage the fuse in it allows which would again be only 13 Amps.

I am in the wrong myself as I also have a Masterplug Performance Series Tower RCD Multisocket for the past 8 months, and have my extremely power hungry PC attached to it, together with a large monitor, surround sound speakers, wireless router, cable modem, rechargeable mouse, printer and my laptop too.

Argos sell them: http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/9822980/Trail/searchtext%3EMASTERPLUG.htm but i'm sure someone on here can find them cheaper. I liked it as it took up less floor space and kept things less cluttered. It also came with an "unlimited" warrenty meaning it would pay out the full amount of any destroyed equipemnt plugged into it should it fail to do its job.

Pretty sure i'm over the magic 13 amps, but as a sparky has stated, it's got an RCD on it that will hopefully trip before I set fire to myself!!!:p

Just make sure you have accident cover on your house insurance for when they try to not pay out after a fire because you overloaded your socket. "It was an accident. I thought it would only add up to about 7 amps Sir!!"
1 Like #17
Waterboy8535
Heat added as it IS a bargain, but people do still remember that these should only take a maximum of 13 amps total??

Using all 6 sockets would mean you'd at most have 4 radio alarm clocks and two rechargable toothbrushes!!!!!

If your planning on sticking your TV, DVD Recorder, Cable TV Box, Playstation 3, Hi Fi and Mobile Phone in one, have a jolly unsafe christmas!!!!:whistling:


Well my 32" CRT TV, DVD player and cable box draw a total of 0.5A ..... hardly going to be really unsafe is it? Fair enough don't run more than 3000W of devices off this i.e.kettles, heaters, hairdryers etc. but those devices you have mentioned don't really pull much current.

gap30
I am a spark and i highly recommend you avoid this, and if you are getting one no matter what at least make sure your ring (sockets) are RCD protected, a 13a socket outlet is what it says - 13a so my advice is run in additional sockets or you may find the circuit is overloaded which will cause the cables to overheat and break down, oh and merry christmas:santa:


Trying to drum up extra business are we? So a wall socket is rated at 13A as will be the fuse in the plug of this extension lead therefore if if don't use above 13A no problems.

Also a separate issue from this extension lead is if you still have an old fuse box with actual wire fuses then you should really get a new consumer unit fitted with RCD's.

Rob
#18
welshblob
Well my 32" CRT TV, DVD player and cable box draw a total of 0.5A


Wow, your CRT TV, DVD Player and Cable Box draws less ampage together than my Braun shaver. My thats impressive! I wonder why the manufacturers decided to put a stupid bigger fuse in them all?

My Sony 32" LCD Telly alone has a 10 Amp Fuse in! I must email and tell them just to put a 1 Amp fuse in them in future!:whistling:
3 Likes #19
Waterboy8535
Heat added as it IS a bargain, but people do still remember that these should only take a maximum of 13 amps total??

Using all 6 sockets would mean you'd at most have 4 radio alarm clocks and two rechargable toothbrushes!!!!!

If your planning on sticking your TV, DVD Recorder, Cable TV Box, Playstation 3, Hi Fi and Mobile Phone in one, have a jolly unsafe christmas!!!!:whistling:


gap30
I am a spark and i highly recommend you avoid this, and if you are getting one no matter what at least make sure your ring (sockets) are RCD protected, a 13a socket outlet is what it says - 13a so my advice is run in additional sockets or you may find the circuit is overloaded which will cause the cables to overheat and break down, oh and merry christmas:santa:


Can you explain why, I would have thought that for the items listed in the above post this extension would be sufficient i.e, Plasma TV - 300w - 1.2a, DVD / video recorder 30w - 0.1a, Cable box 35w - 0.2a, Playstation 50w - 0.2a, Hi-Fi (including surround sound) 500w - 2a, mobile phone 20w - 0.1a, which gives a total of 935w and 3.8a, which is a lot less than the 3kw / 13a max for this extension? Just because a plug has a 3, 5 or 13a fuse in doesn't mean it is taking that many amps. I know it is recommended not to use extension leads but that is because some people will try to attach a kettle, iron, microwave, hairdryer, vacuum cleaner and electric fire and use them all at the same time plus if everyone decided to have an extra 6 sockets put in their house it would keep the electricians busy but surely this is sufficient for the items listed in the above post otherwise what would be the point in selling it?
#20
Waterboy8535
Wow, your CRT TV, DVD Player and Cable Box draws less ampage together than my Braun shaver. My thats impressive! I wonder why the manufacturers decided to put a stupid bigger fuse in them all?

My Sony 32" LCD Telly alone has a 10 Amp Fuse in! I must email and tell them just to put a 1 Amp fuse in them in future!:whistling:


Not sure of your point here. Fuses are there to break the supply when the device starts to draw more current than they were designed to i.e. indicating a failure \ short and thus stop it causing a fire. Fuses are generally bigger than the average current drawn otherwise they would blow all the time.

Rob
#21
Waterboy8535
Wow, your CRT TV, DVD Player and Cable Box draws less ampage together than my Braun shaver. My thats impressive! I wonder why the manufacturers decided to put a stupid bigger fuse in them all?

My Sony 32" LCD Telly alone has a 10 Amp Fuse in! I must email and tell them just to put a 1 Amp fuse in them in future!:whistling:


Have a look here: http://www.wfb.org.uk/Fire_Safety/Safety_Advice/fire_safety_electrical_safety.htm or then again you could always pay gap30 to put more wall sockets in for you! :whistling:
1 Like #22
Waterboy8535
Heat added as it IS a bargain, but people do still remember that these should only take a maximum of 13 amps total??
Using all 6 sockets would mean you'd at most have 4 radio alarm clocks and two rechargable toothbrushes!!!!!
If your planning on sticking your TV, DVD Recorder, Cable TV Box, Playstation 3, Hi Fi and Mobile Phone in one, have a jolly unsafe christmas!!!!:whistling:

Funny !
The socket on the wall is rated at 15A - it will most likely be fed by a ring main - 30A.
The plug on the extension will have a 13A fuse in so if you managed to exceed this the fuse would blow (thats why we have fuses in case anyone was wondering!).
So - approx every 4A is equal to 1KW, so 12A is 3KW. If your electrical gear takes more than 3000 Watts - three thousand watts!!!I would be amazed! Have a look on the back - it will be printed on.
- Scoob.
#23
I'd like to buy one but the stores in Glasgow have none
#24
fwiw, I bought one of these masterplug 6 ways about two years ago.

They are poorly made. The On/Off switches no longer work properly. One is about to fall out, so I don't dare operate that switch, and the others don't always switch off the power to the corresponding socket on first attempt.

eg. if I operate the switch to turn off the socket, the power continues to flow to the corresponding socket.

The Belkin Surgemaster product range is far better made and has one master On/Off switch to turn off the entire power strip. We bought two of these and they are brilliant.
#25
bill888
fwiw, I bought one of these masterplug 6 ways about two years ago.

They are poorly made. The On/Off switches no longer work properly. One is about to fall out, so I don't dare use it, and the others don't always switch off the power to the corresponding socket on first attempt.

eg. if I operate the switch to turn off the socket, the power continues to flow to the corresponding socket.

The Belkin Surgemaster product range is far better made and has one master On/Off switch to turn off the entire power strip. We bought two of these and they are brilliant.


Thanks - that's useful to know.
#26
Remember Quid-co reserve at store gets you £1 off,
#27
masterplug is by far supirior to belkin and u can get them for similar price
#28
Gitfinger
Can you explain why, I would have thought that for the items listed in the above post this extension would be sufficient i.e, Plasma TV - 300w - 1.2a, DVD / video recorder 30w - 0.1a, Cable box 35w - 0.2a, Playstation 50w - 0.2a, Hi-Fi (including surround sound) 500w - 2a, mobile phone 20w - 0.1a, which gives a total of 935w and 3.8a, which is a lot less than the 3kw / 13a max for this extension? Just because a plug has a 3, 5 or 13a fuse in doesn't mean it is taking that many amps. I know it is recommended not to use extension leads but that is because some people will try to attach a kettle, iron, microwave, hairdryer, vacuum cleaner and electric fire and use them all at the same time plus if everyone decided to have an extra 6 sockets put in their house it would keep the electricians busy but surely this is sufficient for the items listed in the above post otherwise what would be the point in selling it?


We apply a set of factors for ring mains (sockets) called 'diversity' in laymans terms - what we say is no one is going to use every single electrical item at any one time on a circuit, so we allow for this but a 13a socket outlet should not be running up to six points at one time in theory and trust me ive seen the after effects of this, i could tell you some horror stories, one that always makes me laugh is the fact that you cant work on electrics unless you are Part P or 'qualified' so to speak, but you go into b&q and there is a 3 step guide on how to install extra sockets, makes a mockery of the whole business but dont get me started on that one!
#29
scoobie
Funny !
The socket on the wall is rated at 15A - it will most likely be fed by a ring main - 30A.
The plug on the extension will have a 13A fuse in so if you managed to exceed this the fuse would blow (thats why we have fuses in case anyone was wondering!).
So - approx every 4A is equal to 1KW, so 12A is 3KW. If your electrical gear takes more than 3000 Watts - three thousand watts!!!I would be amazed! Have a look on the back - it will be printed on.
- Scoob.


Every socket outlet is rated at 13a! check bs7671

3000 divided by 230v equals 13.04amps according to ohms law!
#30
Right, I'm no electrician, but surely plugging in things like your TV, DVD player, PC, consoles, alarm clocks and a radios into the same extension would be fine unless they all started to go horribly wrong at the same time?

It's only when you try to use things like vacuums, hairdryers, drills, kettles and electric heaters from the same socket that you run into problems...?
1 Like #31
A large mixture of ignorant, speculative and alarmist information and 'advice' given above, notably by those who claim to be electricians.

It is not ideal practice to run a number of appliances from one socket outlet but the whole point of a multi-way strip like this is to permit this to be done neatly and safely PROVIDED THAT the TOTAL current drawn does not exceed the nominal rating of the 13A fuse fitted to the plug. That means 3,000 watts in all - which is much more than any sensible collection of computer, hi-fi, televsion or similar equipment will need. On the other hand, it equals ONE electric kettle and NOTHING MORE. If one attempts to overload the strip, the fuse will blow. If one attempts to overload the power circuit as a whole (which should be fused 30A or 32A, depending on consumer unit type and ring main arrangement) then the circuit fuse will blow (or breaker will trip). Either way, the user and circuitry should be protected against overloads. The main danger from DIY wiring would be running power supplies in cable of too small a size, so permitting overheating even though one stays within capacity of all relevant fuses.

It is NOT illegal to do electrical work in the home, including adding additional power sockets and the like. But Part P does require certain DIY work to be notified to building control and professionally checked - additional work in kichens and bathrooms being the main categories.
#32
wow I love these debates, I learn so much, I'm thinking a surge protected with RCD for me though:roll:
#33
BARGAIN !!!

I have 3 of these in the house which have PC's, TFT Monitors, Routers, TV, DVD, XBox, etc all plugged into them.

Had them for ages without any problems at all.

I agree with Puffer 100% above.

As long as it's not high wattage appliances, Kettles, Toasters, W/Machine, Heaters, etc. you can use these without any worries !!! :thumbsup:
#34
woolies are selling 6 point extension leads for £1.75 i saw them in the shop today.
#35
Gitfinger
Have a look here: http://www.wfb.org.uk/Fire_Safety/Safety_Advice/fire_safety_electrical_safety.htm or then again you could always pay gap30 to put more wall sockets in for you! :whistling:


Handy link, Thank You.

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#36
Puffer
A large mixture of ignorant, speculative and alarmist information and 'advice' given above, notably by those who claim to be electricians.

It is not ideal practice to run a number of appliances from one socket outlet but the whole point of a multi-way strip like this is to permit this to be done neatly and safely PROVIDED THAT the TOTAL current drawn does not exceed the nominal rating of the 13A fuse fitted to the plug. That means 3,000 watts in all - which is much more than any sensible collection of computer, hi-fi, televsion or similar equipment will need. On the other hand, it equals ONE electric kettle and NOTHING MORE. If one attempts to overload the strip, the fuse will blow. If one attempts to overload the power circuit as a whole (which should be fused 30A or 32A, depending on consumer unit type and ring main arrangement) then the circuit fuse will blow (or breaker will trip). Either way, the user and circuitry should be protected against overloads. The main danger from DIY wiring would be running power supplies in cable of too small a size, so permitting overheating even though one stays within capacity of all relevant fuses.

If you read my earlier post you will see i stated the need for RCDs, by the way electric kettles are 2kw, check the regulation 433.1.2 bs7671 and i will carry on 'claiming' to be an electrician as i have done for the last 15 yrs:thumbsup:

It is NOT illegal to do electrical work in the home, including adding additional power sockets and the like. But Part P does require certain DIY work to be notified to building control and professionally checked - additional work in kichens and bathrooms being the main categories.
#37
I can tell you for a fact that there are plenty of 3kW kettles available.

Point is with these extensions is that they are effectively fused spurs. The 13A fuse in the plug prevents an overload, assuming the cable and socket are designed correctly.
#38
gap30
We apply a set of factors for ring mains (sockets) called 'diversity' in laymans terms - what we say is no one is going to use every single electrical item at any one time on a circuit, so we allow for this but a 13a socket outlet should not be running up to six points at one time in theory and trust me ive seen the after effects of this, i could tell you some horror stories, one that always makes me laugh is the fact that you cant work on electrics unless you are Part P or 'qualified' so to speak, but you go into b&q and there is a 3 step guide on how to install extra sockets, makes a mockery of the whole business but dont get me started on that one!


So are you saying it is unsafe to attach 6 appliances with a total of consumption of 3.8a to this extension? :?
#39
http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/615627/Belkin-SurgeMaster-F9M823UK2M-8-Way-Tel-Fax-Modem-AV-Protection-2m-Cable/Product.html

hi guys the above link gets u to a decent belkin surge master.just have a look and decide for urself
1 Like #40
I'm sure gap 30 means well, but his comments would be more credible if they were made less cryptically and actually related to the issues in question:

(a) I said nothing about RCDs above because they have a function distinct from that of detecting or protecting against circuit overload as such. They are a useful device but not mandatory, certainly not on existing installations.

(b) Most worthwhile fast-boiling kettles will be 3kW or close to it - just look at those in an Argos catalogue or similar.

(c) If a multi-strip was illegal or dangerous, it would not be on sale. It has a clear function and can be used safely and effectively for the intended purpose without compromising existing circuitry or appliance protection devices, each of which will operate if needed.

(d) I'm not entering into a debate on 433.1.2 or otherwise, which will mean nothing to most readers here. If there is a specific aspect of 433 (overload protection) which influences this topic, then spell it out for us please.

Why is it that so many electricians (and others) love to pounce on any and every update to the 'regulations' (which are a code and not in fact a mandatory requirement) and suggest that any non-compliant installation must be altered or condemned? I suppose they want the work! Bringing in a new code (such as the 17th Edition) does not make all existing installations inherently unsafe or in any way illegal.

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