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Maximuscle Theromobol 90pk £10.80 @ Tesco instore

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Theromobol in tesco behind the pharmacy counter these Theromobol where £10.80

90pk normally RRP for £27-30
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1 Like #1
Hot if you buy Thermobol already!

Which Tesco please?
1 Like #2
Chelmsford Essex
Not sure if it's nationwide - £27 on tesco website
#3
JoshCole7
Chelmsford Essex
Not sure if it's nationwide - £27 on tesco website

Ahh dam... Great Price!
2 Likes #4
It's actually quite a decent product this. Wouldn't pay normal price and it's available on Amazon for 21 delivered so still a decent price
2 Likes #5
skullx546
As a rule of thumb, anything that's legal doesn't work.

It's still a good price against the RRP, so it's technically a hot deal.

Didn't mean to like. You sound like a steroid user with that comment lol
#6
Got some in the old style bottle from tesco Worcester Warndon a week or so ago. Great price!

Looked in Kidderminster at the weekend and new style bottle was around £20
4 Likes #7
Whats it do?
#8
I have actually found it to be a great help when working out, but i only manage to take 2 a day not 3, i could work that bit harder and for longer, maybe that is just the caffeine element as i don't tend to have any. If you do buy it just make sure you drink enough, you do feel thirsty though so it is unavoidable
#9
They have them in stock (lots of them) in 3 of the Stoke-on-Trent stores. My son takes them before going to the gym and susally pays around £20 ish, so this is a great price. Hot from me!! :)
#10
Best price I've found is £17 so this is a bargain!!
#11
These were 50p in sainsburys when they were rebranding the packaging and managed to get 3 for £1.50. But that was a ridiculous price. This is still hot
2 Likes #12
Just buy a bag of caffiene powder, practically the same thing as it's just a pill filled with stimulants and is a lot cheaper.
2 Likes #13
Silhouette
Whats it do?

I tried it - took it before working out - it raised body heat so as to burn more calories. It is legal ingredients. If taken too far in advance of a work out it did nothing for me. I did not continue to use it as it was too expensive.

Alternatively - if you want to feel a similar burn sensation and a rush of adrenalin you can try traveling up the M4 right now towards junction 19? where the speed limit is 50 the signs above the road are staying black until you are right under them at which point they flash 40 - seconds after this you'll notice the lightning of speed cameras that have been put there - quite an interesting scam to the motorist I must say.

If anyone gets a recording of this please email me - I know someone who's now looking at points even though they are a very good/ safe driver!


Edited By: Si1 on Jul 05, 2014 01:50: spelling
#14
totoplus4
I have actually found it to be a great help when working out, but i only manage to take 2 a day not 3, i could work that bit harder and for longer, maybe that is just the caffeine element as i don't tend to have any. If you do buy it just make sure you drink enough, you do feel thirsty though so it is unavoidable

Same, it's really good. Would just advise not to take it if you're really tired as my eyes start twitching! I never take the recommended amount either, max. 2 is enough for the day.
#15
basically they give you a good pump and push towards your workout and nice burning feel which also helps you get the best out of your work out.

heat if u can ever find any ! heat
#16
buy the way.. anyone tired out Jacked ? ;)
#17
OG Jack3d was decent for the first bottle but i quickly became tolerant.

my favourite pre-workout now is a fresh black coffee. awesome.
#18
The old Jack3D the closest thing you'd find to ultimate orange from Back in the day
1 Like #19
Heart attack in a pill. Avoid.
1 Like #20
STi_prodrive
buy the way.. anyone tired out Jacked ? ;)
I've have never bought the way, but Jacked did tire me out!oO
#21
Why is jack3d being discussed? That's a synthetic testosterone supplement
1 Like #22
Nice fat line before the gym works for me
1 Like #23
Al18
Why is jack3d being discussed? That's a synthetic testosterone supplement

Someone decided to mention it and it isn't a testosterone booster, they don't really exist. Legally anyway lol.
#24
Good price
1 Like #25
yrreb88
Al18
Why is jack3d being discussed? That's a synthetic testosterone supplement

Someone decided to mention it and it isn't a testosterone booster, they don't really exist. Legally anyway lol.
ZMA and DAA I would say boost testosterone production quite a lot.
Not sure why you say they don't exist.
2 Likes #26
MaximusRo
yrreb88
Al18
Why is jack3d being discussed? That's a synthetic testosterone supplement

Someone decided to mention it and it isn't a testosterone booster, they don't really exist. Legally anyway lol.
ZMA and DAA I would say boost testosterone production quite a lot.
Not sure why you say they don't exist.

ZMA claims it may do that and only one small study that said it increased testosterone was funded by the company that makes it. One of the authors of this same study also owned half of the company. Other studies have shown no boost to testosterone or anything for that matter other than a boost to zinc and magnesium levels.

DAA is a similar boat, there is no reason to believe it is a test booster. One study in RATS showed interesting results but that effect doesn't apply to humans. Supplements are there for one reason, to make money. If one worked, everyone would be taking it. There are a few that do help give you an edge and are well studied such as creatine.

There are no test boosters that work in the Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition. The only ones that do are illegal i.e. steroids.
#27
Why is jack3d being discussed? That's a synthetic testosterone supplement
#28
yrreb88
MaximusRo
yrreb88
Al18
Why is jack3d being discussed? That's a synthetic testosterone supplement

Someone decided to mention it and it isn't a testosterone booster, they don't really exist. Legally anyway lol.
ZMA and DAA I would say boost testosterone production quite a lot.
Not sure why you say they don't exist.

ZMA claims it may do that and only one small study that said it increased testosterone was funded by the company that makes it. One of the authors of this same study also owned half of the company. Other studies have shown no boost to testosterone or anything for that matter other than a boost to zinc and magnesium levels.

DAA is a similar boat, there is no reason to believe it is a test booster. One study in RATS showed interesting results but that effect doesn't apply to humans. Supplements are there for one reason, to make money. If one worked, everyone would be taking it. There are a few that do help give you an edge and are well studied such as creatine.

There are no test boosters that work in the Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition. The only ones that do are illegal i.e. steroids.
Steroids are not really a testosterone booster. I think you got them mixed up. They actually suppress natural testosterone production.
DAA+ZMA simply works. How do I know it? I tried it.
You are throwing around some generalisations trying to prove your point, contradicting yourself in the process... supplements never work, are just bogus to make money, oh wait, creatine does :) That is funny. So your previous statement that supplemets don't work is invalid, and since creatin works, everyone SHOULD be buying it ???
So do vitamins :) And so do amino acyds. And proteyn supplements. :)
#29
skullx546
As a rule of thumb, anything that's legal doesn't work.

It's still a good price against the RRP, so it's technically a hot deal.

If you mean all supplements don't work for weight training then that's not true. If you mean can you take a natural product to give results like steroids then that's not true, steroids out perform anything legal. It depends whether you want natural results or unnatural results.

If you mean does this supplement work as well as Ephedra/Ephedrine, then no it doesn't.


Edited By: fishmaster on Jul 05, 2014 09:02: <>
1 Like #30
If you suffer from wicked anxiety like myself then a product like this will launch you in to a state of despair. So a tip here for anyone that suffers anxiety and wants to try cutting using a product such as this, look for a product that contains L-Theanine, this amino acid counteracts the negative stress effects of caffeine.

Thermopure is one, although it does have ridiculous unproven ingredients such as Raspberry Ketones.

http://www.myprotein.com/sports-nutrition/thermopure/10530152.html

L-Theanine absolutely does work to give a mild to moderate calming effect. When I go on a mad stress attack though, rarely anything natural will work to combat it. What I have noticed is I can drink beverages with high caffeine content and feel ok if I supplement with L-Theanine.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18296328

http://www.veria.com/wellness/l-theanine-increase-your-brain-waves-into-a-calm-relaxed-state/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theanine

I recommend anyone that is highly stressed and wants some relief, chuck out the Kalms and try L-Theanine an amino acid found in tea.

Edited By: fishmaster on Jul 05, 2014 08:41
#31
Al18
Why is jack3d being discussed? That's a synthetic testosterone supplement


What a ridiculous comment. Jack3d is a preworkout that increases energy and focus. Steroids don't do that. Try doing a bit of research you clown
#32
fishmaster
If you suffer from wicked anxiety like myself then a product like this will launch you in to a state of despair. So a tip here for anyone that suffers anxiety and wants to try cutting using a product such as this, look for a product that contains L-Theanine, this amino acid counteracts the negative stress effects of caffeine.

Thermopure is one, although it does have ridiculous unproven ingredients such as Raspberry Ketones.

http://www.myprotein.com/sports-nutrition/thermopure/10530152.html

L-Theanine absolutely does work to give a mild to moderate calming effect. When I go on a mad stress attack though, rarely anything natural will work to combat it. What I have noticed is I can drink beverages with high caffeine content and feel ok if I supplement with L-Theanine.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18296328

http://www.veria.com/wellness/l-theanine-increase-your-brain-waves-into-a-calm-relaxed-state/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theanine

I recommend anyone that is highly stressed and wants some relief, chuck out the Kalms and try L-Theanine an amino acid found in tea.

try Psychoanalysis, or if you've not got the stomach for that, ease yourself in with a bit of CBT...works wonders for getting to the cause of your anxiety rather than treating the symptoms..
#33
barbiegirl
fishmaster
If you suffer from wicked anxiety like myself then a product like this will launch you in to a state of despair. So a tip here for anyone that suffers anxiety and wants to try cutting using a product such as this, look for a product that contains L-Theanine, this amino acid counteracts the negative stress effects of caffeine.

Thermopure is one, although it does have ridiculous unproven ingredients such as Raspberry Ketones.

http://www.myprotein.com/sports-nutrition/thermopure/10530152.html

L-Theanine absolutely does work to give a mild to moderate calming effect. When I go on a mad stress attack though, rarely anything natural will work to combat it. What I have noticed is I can drink beverages with high caffeine content and feel ok if I supplement with L-Theanine.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18296328

http://www.veria.com/wellness/l-theanine-increase-your-brain-waves-into-a-calm-relaxed-state/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theanine

I recommend anyone that is highly stressed and wants some relief, chuck out the Kalms and try L-Theanine an amino acid found in tea.

try Psychoanalysis, or if you've not got the stomach for that, ease yourself in with a bit of CBT...works wonders for getting to the cause of your anxiety rather than treating the symptoms..

If bitter lemon peel works as claimed, no amount of cbt or pa will help.
1 Like #34
MaximusRo
yrreb88
MaximusRo
yrreb88
Al18
Why is jack3d being discussed? That's a synthetic testosterone supplement

Someone decided to mention it and it isn't a testosterone booster, they don't really exist. Legally anyway lol.
ZMA and DAA I would say boost testosterone production quite a lot.
Not sure why you say they don't exist.

ZMA claims it may do that and only one small study that said it increased testosterone was funded by the company that makes it. One of the authors of this same study also owned half of the company. Other studies have shown no boost to testosterone or anything for that matter other than a boost to zinc and magnesium levels.

DAA is a similar boat, there is no reason to believe it is a test booster. One study in RATS showed interesting results but that effect doesn't apply to humans. Supplements are there for one reason, to make money. If one worked, everyone would be taking it. There are a few that do help give you an edge and are well studied such as creatine.

There are no test boosters that work in the Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition. The only ones that do are illegal i.e. steroids.
Steroids are not really a testosterone booster. I think you got them mixed up. They actually suppress natural testosterone production.
DAA+ZMA simply works. How do I know it? I tried it.
You are throwing around some generalisations trying to prove your point, contradicting yourself in the process... supplements never work, are just bogus to make money, oh wait, creatine does :) That is funny. So your previous statement that supplemets don't work is invalid, and since creatin works, everyone SHOULD be buying it ???
So do vitamins :) And so do amino acyds. And proteyn supplements. :)

Your anecdotal evidence is a "cool story bro" to me unfortunately and as long as it works for you and you can afford it then fine. Serum levels would be the only thing that would help.

Yes you are right technically but anabolic steroids can be synthetic analogues of testerone itself and thus has similar effects. Your body stops making test because you have given it something else to work with.

I am not contradicting myself as supplements are to make money, it's whether or not they worth your money. I meant to mean a generalisation about test boosters which is what this debate started on. You are slightly twisting my words as obviously things like protein supplements work, my general points still stand. Search Test boosters on bodybuilding.com - 223 products, why so many as they can't all work? Most places that advocate them either sell them or make money from referrals.

I am not going to get massive gains and huge performance increases from creatine, I am probably going to get a small yet noticable 5-10% edge as it's effects have been proven in loads of controlled unbiased studies. The only positive ZMA study was written by the one of the owners of the manufacter on the other hand. I am not saying everyone should buy creatine but it's one of the only ones that might be worth getting, same with caffiene. Funny how those two are the most widely used supplements (and protein powder obviously!) in bodybuilding. If you can't make the distinction between what I was getting at then you know the saying about fools and money and we will have to agree to disagree. :)


Edited By: yrreb88 on Jul 05, 2014 15:56: Spell
1 Like #35
ZMA does work by the way. The proof? Your soldier will stand to attention even if you tell it to stand down.
#36
barbiegirl
fishmaster
If you suffer from wicked anxiety like myself then a product like this will launch you in to a state of despair. So a tip here for anyone that suffers anxiety and wants to try cutting using a product such as this, look for a product that contains L-Theanine, this amino acid counteracts the negative stress effects of caffeine.

Thermopure is one, although it does have ridiculous unproven ingredients such as Raspberry Ketones.

http://www.myprotein.com/sports-nutrition/thermopure/10530152.html

L-Theanine absolutely does work to give a mild to moderate calming effect. When I go on a mad stress attack though, rarely anything natural will work to combat it. What I have noticed is I can drink beverages with high caffeine content and feel ok if I supplement with L-Theanine.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18296328

http://www.veria.com/wellness/l-theanine-increase-your-brain-waves-into-a-calm-relaxed-state/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theanine

I recommend anyone that is highly stressed and wants some relief, chuck out the Kalms and try L-Theanine an amino acid found in tea.

try Psychoanalysis, or if you've not got the stomach for that, ease yourself in with a bit of CBT...works wonders for getting to the cause of your anxiety rather than treating the symptoms..

Thanks, I'm well versed in CBT, Mindfulness etc, I have GAD which can go absolutely mental. I don't take prescription drugs for the condition. I just try to manage the craziness when it kicks off. Anyway nothing is as easy as taking a pill, at least not for me it isn't :)

The premise behind CBT/Mindfulness is to accept you will feel like absolute **** and just accept it, then you have less of a psychological burden. It sort of works, but if you have screwed up biochemistry then it has limited effect.


Edited By: fishmaster on Jul 05, 2014 19:02: <>
#37
yrreb88
MaximusRo
yrreb88
MaximusRo
yrreb88
Al18
Why is jack3d being discussed? That's a synthetic testosterone supplement

Someone decided to mention it and it isn't a testosterone booster, they don't really exist. Legally anyway lol.
ZMA and DAA I would say boost testosterone production quite a lot.
Not sure why you say they don't exist.

ZMA claims it may do that and only one small study that said it increased testosterone was funded by the company that makes it. One of the authors of this same study also owned half of the company. Other studies have shown no boost to testosterone or anything for that matter other than a boost to zinc and magnesium levels.

DAA is a similar boat, there is no reason to believe it is a test booster. One study in RATS showed interesting results but that effect doesn't apply to humans. Supplements are there for one reason, to make money. If one worked, everyone would be taking it. There are a few that do help give you an edge and are well studied such as creatine.

There are no test boosters that work in the Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition. The only ones that do are illegal i.e. steroids.
Steroids are not really a testosterone booster. I think you got them mixed up. They actually suppress natural testosterone production.
DAA+ZMA simply works. How do I know it? I tried it.
You are throwing around some generalisations trying to prove your point, contradicting yourself in the process... supplements never work, are just bogus to make money, oh wait, creatine does :) That is funny. So your previous statement that supplemets don't work is invalid, and since creatin works, everyone SHOULD be buying it ???
So do vitamins :) And so do amino acyds. And proteyn supplements. :)

Your anecdotal evidence is a "cool story bro" to me unfortunately and as long as it works for you and you can afford it then fine. Serum levels would be the only thing that would help.

Yes you are right technically but anabolic steroids can be synthetic analogues of testerone itself and thus has similar effects. Your body stops making test because you have given it something else to work with.

I am not contradicting myself as supplements are to make money, it's whether or not they worth your money. I meant to mean a generalisation about test boosters which is what this debate started on. You are slightly twisting my words as obviously things like protein supplements work, my general points still stand. Search Test boosters on bodybuilding.com - 223 products, why so many as they can't all work? Most places that advocate them either sell them or make money from referrals.

I am not going to get massive gains and huge performance increases from creatine, I am probably going to get a small yet noticable 5-10% edge as it's effects have been proven in loads of controlled unbiased studies. The only positive ZMA study was written by the one of the owners of the manufacter on the other hand. I am not saying everyone should buy creatine but it's one of the only ones that might be worth getting, same with caffiene. Funny how those two are the most widely used supplements (and protein powder obviously!) in bodybuilding. If you can't make the distinction between what I was getting at then you know the saying about fools and money and we will have to agree to disagree. :)

Probably, maybe... lt of assumptions... just admit it, you have no facts or data.
What it is sure is that DAA works, just try it. As someone else commented below, your sergent will stand up... first sign...
They are the most used because it is very easy to see their effects.
1 Like #38
MaximusRo

Probably, maybe... lt of assumptions... just admit it, you have no facts or data.

Here's your facts and data http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0271531713001735
#39
MaximusRo
yrreb88
MaximusRo
yrreb88
MaximusRo
yrreb88
Al18
Why is jack3d being discussed? That's a synthetic testosterone supplement

Someone decided to mention it and it isn't a testosterone booster, they don't really exist. Legally anyway lol.
ZMA and DAA I would say boost testosterone production quite a lot.
Not sure why you say they don't exist.

ZMA claims it may do that and only one small study that said it increased testosterone was funded by the company that makes it. One of the authors of this same study also owned half of the company. Other studies have shown no boost to testosterone or anything for that matter other than a boost to zinc and magnesium levels.

DAA is a similar boat, there is no reason to believe it is a test booster. One study in RATS showed interesting results but that effect doesn't apply to humans. Supplements are there for one reason, to make money. If one worked, everyone would be taking it. There are a few that do help give you an edge and are well studied such as creatine.

There are no test boosters that work in the Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition. The only ones that do are illegal i.e. steroids.
Steroids are not really a testosterone booster. I think you got them mixed up. They actually suppress natural testosterone production.
DAA+ZMA simply works. How do I know it? I tried it.
You are throwing around some generalisations trying to prove your point, contradicting yourself in the process... supplements never work, are just bogus to make money, oh wait, creatine does :) That is funny. So your previous statement that supplemets don't work is invalid, and since creatin works, everyone SHOULD be buying it ???
So do vitamins :) And so do amino acyds. And proteyn supplements. :)

Your anecdotal evidence is a "cool story bro" to me unfortunately and as long as it works for you and you can afford it then fine. Serum levels would be the only thing that would help.

Yes you are right technically but anabolic steroids can be synthetic analogues of testerone itself and thus has similar effects. Your body stops making test because you have given it something else to work with.

I am not contradicting myself as supplements are to make money, it's whether or not they worth your money. I meant to mean a generalisation about test boosters which is what this debate started on. You are slightly twisting my words as obviously things like protein supplements work, my general points still stand. Search Test boosters on bodybuilding.com - 223 products, why so many as they can't all work? Most places that advocate them either sell them or make money from referrals.

I am not going to get massive gains and huge performance increases from creatine, I am probably going to get a small yet noticable 5-10% edge as it's effects have been proven in loads of controlled unbiased studies. The only positive ZMA study was written by the one of the owners of the manufacter on the other hand. I am not saying everyone should buy creatine but it's one of the only ones that might be worth getting, same with caffiene. Funny how those two are the most widely used supplements (and protein powder obviously!) in bodybuilding. If you can't make the distinction between what I was getting at then you know the saying about fools and money and we will have to agree to disagree. :)

Probably, maybe... lt of assumptions... just admit it, you have no facts or data.
What it is sure is that DAA works, just try it. As someone else commented below, your sergent will stand up... first sign...
They are the most used because it is very easy to see their effects.

I think you'll find you have no facts or credible data and I'd be happy to look at some and be proven wrong. I'm not sure if you're just trolling now or just being stupid and I honestly hope it's the former.

By the way can I interest you in some **** enlargement pills that my mate sells? He gained 7" around no lie. ;)

Edited By: yrreb88 on Jul 06, 2014 00:59: G
#40
yrreb88
MaximusRo
yrreb88
MaximusRo
yrreb88
MaximusRo
yrreb88
Al18
Why is jack3d being discussed? That's a synthetic testosterone supplement

Someone decided to mention it and it isn't a testosterone booster, they don't really exist. Legally anyway lol.
ZMA and DAA I would say boost testosterone production quite a lot.
Not sure why you say they don't exist.

ZMA claims it may do that and only one small study that said it increased testosterone was funded by the company that makes it. One of the authors of this same study also owned half of the company. Other studies have shown no boost to testosterone or anything for that matter other than a boost to zinc and magnesium levels.

DAA is a similar boat, there is no reason to believe it is a test booster. One study in RATS showed interesting results but that effect doesn't apply to humans. Supplements are there for one reason, to make money. If one worked, everyone would be taking it. There are a few that do help give you an edge and are well studied such as creatine.

There are no test boosters that work in the Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition. The only ones that do are illegal i.e. steroids.
Steroids are not really a testosterone booster. I think you got them mixed up. They actually suppress natural testosterone production.
DAA+ZMA simply works. How do I know it? I tried it.
You are throwing around some generalisations trying to prove your point, contradicting yourself in the process... supplements never work, are just bogus to make money, oh wait, creatine does :) That is funny. So your previous statement that supplemets don't work is invalid, and since creatin works, everyone SHOULD be buying it ???
So do vitamins :) And so do amino acyds. And proteyn supplements. :)

Your anecdotal evidence is a "cool story bro" to me unfortunately and as long as it works for you and you can afford it then fine. Serum levels would be the only thing that would help.

Yes you are right technically but anabolic steroids can be synthetic analogues of testerone itself and thus has similar effects. Your body stops making test because you have given it something else to work with.

I am not contradicting myself as supplements are to make money, it's whether or not they worth your money. I meant to mean a generalisation about test boosters which is what this debate started on. You are slightly twisting my words as obviously things like protein supplements work, my general points still stand. Search Test boosters on bodybuilding.com - 223 products, why so many as they can't all work? Most places that advocate them either sell them or make money from referrals.

I am not going to get massive gains and huge performance increases from creatine, I am probably going to get a small yet noticable 5-10% edge as it's effects have been proven in loads of controlled unbiased studies. The only positive ZMA study was written by the one of the owners of the manufacter on the other hand. I am not saying everyone should buy creatine but it's one of the only ones that might be worth getting, same with caffiene. Funny how those two are the most widely used supplements (and protein powder obviously!) in bodybuilding. If you can't make the distinction between what I was getting at then you know the saying about fools and money and we will have to agree to disagree. :)

Probably, maybe... lt of assumptions... just admit it, you have no facts or data.
What it is sure is that DAA works, just try it. As someone else commented below, your sergent will stand up... first sign...
They are the most used because it is very easy to see their effects.

I think you'll find you have no facts or credible data and I'd be happy to look at some and be proven wrong. I'm not sure if you're just trolling now or just being stupid and I honestly hope it's the former.

By the way can I interest you in some **** enlargement pills that my mate sells? He gained 7" around no lie. ;)
Resort to offence when you have no arguments... it was the only thing missing to prove your level after you made sweeping statements that you contradicted your self in the next sentence :)
You already had to admit I was "technically" right, while you... are just trying to prove things impossible to prove.
You yourself I bet you take supplements, even though "they do not work":)

Let's put you to shame again by quoted that impressive sweeping statement of yours: "Supplements are there for one reason, to make money. If one worked, everyone would be taking it. There are a few that do help give you an edge and are well studied such as creatine."

Hahahaha... If one worked... and then you say a few do work :))
How can you still spend time to argue when you made such a fool of yourself? You are desperate to have the last word... even you are dead wrong.

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