Mesh Quad core Q8300 desktop pc (base unit) for £260 delivered @ Ebuyer - HotUKDeals
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Spotted this nice looking PC base unit from ebuyer. *** This is not the lower specced 'Ebuyer value' quad core that is also at the same price ***

It's basically a very fast quadcore with 2gb memory and a 500GB HDD. If anyone wanted a decent unit at a budget price, then this is it. It also makes a good upgrade unit; add some more memory and a decent graphics card, and it'll be a gaming machine. The graphics on the system are nothing special, but it'll do anything other than video intensive stuff such as latest games or video editing.

Because its a base unit, you'll need your own keyboard/mouse and monitor as well as operating system.

It is better than buying a single core celeron at £170, or an Athlon II 245 at £230/240 (and I've not had much success finding much decent in between). There are a lot of Atom/Ion units at the 190-250 price point.

The description says only 4 USB, but looks like it has some extra on the front from the pictures.

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/200748
Mesh Desktop PC

Mesh Micro ATX Case

Processor

* Intel Core 2 Quad Q8300 2.5GHz
* 4MB Cache,
* 1333MHz FSB

Memory

* 2GB DDR2 800MHz RAM
* Expandable to 8GB
* 2 x DIMM Slots (1 free)

Hard Drive

* 500GB SATA HDD

Optical Drive

* DVD Writer

Software

* Operating System: None

Display

* Monitor Not Included

Graphics

* Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator 3100
* Pixel Shader 2.0, DirectX 9.0
* Max. shared memory 384MB
* Supports D-Sub with max. resolution up to 2048x1536 @ 60Hz

Audio

* 5.1 CH Windows® Vista Premium Level HD Audio (ALC662 / VIA® VT1708S Audio Codec)

Input Devices

* Mouse and Keyboard (Not Included)

Networking

* Realtek PCIE x1 LAN 8103EL / 8102EL
* Speed: 10/100 Ethernet
* Supports Wake-On-LAN

Dimensions

* Width 175 mm
* Depth 395 mm
* Height 365 mm

Interfaces

* 1 Set 5.1 Channel Audio Jacks (3 jacks)
* 1x PS/2 Keyboard Port
* 1x PS/2 Mouse Port
* 1x Serial Port
* 4x USB 2.0 Ports
* 1x RJ45 LAN Port
* 1x VGA Port

Expansion

* 1 x PCI Express x16 slot
* 1 x PCI Express x1 slot
* 2 x PCI slots

Warranty

* 1 Year Manufacturer Warranty


You can check the q8300 processor here:
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php

On the ebuyer reviews, someone commented that they changed an apparently noisy fan. I guess you'd have to see if it bothered you.
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#1
I was looking at this too, and am tempted, although it's a bit over my intended buget. Furthermore I'd have to add a gfx card and double the RAM... Plus £10 postage to NI... Would end up being over £300 >.<
#2
Assuming there is no restriction on opening up the case (like with Acer!), then stick a couple more Gb of ram in it, and maybe a Graphics card if you want to do anything more graphically demanding on it, 64bit Win 7 and you have a decent priced machine that will do most of the things anyone will want to do, and pretty fast too........ IF the Power supply is up to handing the Graphics card.

Starts to get pointless if you end up replacing too many of the components though.
#3
Here we go again.
#4
Thought it might be good for my parents-in-law. They want something that'll do all the basics really after their Dell died. I think single-core celerons are a false economy. I figured if they got this, they could upgrade the memory in a few years if they needed a performance boost, as really the memory is going to be the bottleneck in a unit like this.
#5
soled73
Here we go again.


This is not the ebuyer value computer with q8200 and 320gb HDD (http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/631015/259-97-ebuyer-pc-intel-quad-core-q8?page=3),

This is a Mesh PC with q8300 and 500gb HDD in a Mini-ATX case.
#6
RJK3
This is not the ebuyer value computer with q8200 and 320gb HDD (http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/631015/259-97-ebuyer-pc-intel-quad-core-q8?page=3),

This is a Mesh PC with q8300 and 500gb HDD in a Mini-ATX case.


Your right I take it back. :thumbsup:
#7
Anyone know if this has a noisy fan?
#8
You lost me at "intel integrated graphics".
#9
nihcaj
Assuming there is no restriction on opening up the case (like with Acer!), then stick a couple more Gb of ram in it, and maybe a Graphics card if you want to do anything more graphically demanding on it, 64bit Win 7 and you have a decent priced machine that will do most of the things anyone will want to do, and pretty fast too........ IF the Power supply is up to handing the Graphics card.

Starts to get pointless if you end up replacing too many of the components though.


Probably looking at around £160-£170 to get those extra bits, taking this over the £400 mark. With a good monitor it's going to be approaching £550.

Is it still good value at that price? Genuine question, I've lost track of computer prices recently.
#10
Yes, intel make graphics card chips that are integrated into motherboards.
1 Like #11
dean_brfc
Probably looking at around £160-£170 to get those extra bits, taking this over the £400 mark. With a good monitor it's going to be approaching £550.

Is it still good value at that price? Genuine question, I've lost track of computer prices recently.


This is probably about its money in my humble opinion.

To be honest, if you are getting that kind of CPU it seems stupid to have it with integrated graphics - hence you would be looking to upgrade the GPU.

Then you need OS.

2GB is probably enough, but even if you discount the RAM, you are still looking at a total price of at least £370 (realistically probably another £40 again).

Is that a good deal? Its not bad but its not scorching.

IMHO the recent Fujitsu Siemens Pi3635 deal was better - slightly slower CPU, but HD4850, 4GB RAM and Bluray drive, with windows, for just under £400.

However, that deal has gone now, so this is probably the best going at the mo - but unless you are desperate, I would wait for another Dell deal.
#12
how fast is the networking? does it handle 1gbbs?
#13
MrShed
To be honest, if you are getting that kind of CPU it seems stupid to have it with integrated graphics - hence you would be looking to upgrade the GPU.


I think it really depends on what you need the PC to do. If you aren't playing games or doing anything that needs a fast GPU, there's no need to upgrade the GPU, but it's still very handy to have this CPU.

I use a quad-core with integrated graphics, and I video edit. There's little point in my upgrading the GPU at this stage: my NLE doesn't use the GPU to render so it's wiser to save the money for a faster CPU (looking forward to the Phenom II X6s :)). Which, of course, has a beneficial effect on the whole system.

I might buy a cheap graphics card at some stage should I need a dual-screen setup, or if I want to squeeze a little more out of my RAM; for the moment, though, I don't need it.
#14
HSpin
I think it really depends on what you need the PC to do. If you aren't playing games or doing anything that needs a fast GPU, there's no need to upgrade the GPU, but it's still very handy to have this CPU.

I use a quad-core with integrated graphics, and I video edit. There's little point in my upgrading the GPU at this stage: my NLE doesn't use the GPU to render so it's wiser to save the money for a faster CPU (looking forward to the Phenom II X6s :)). Which, of course, has a beneficial effect on the whole system.

I might buy a cheap graphics card at some stage should I need a dual-screen setup, or if I want to squeeze a little more out of my RAM; for the moment, though, I don't need it.


I dont disagree that there are some areas where what I have stated above are not correct - i.e. CPU intensive apps such as video editing.

However, in the main, most people who require the power of this CPU (or anywhere near it) also require the power of at least a mid range GPU.

If they dont require that kind of processing power, then this isnt the right deal.

Therefore, in my opinion, this is a great deal for the niche (for that is what it is) of CPU intensive ONLY users. For power users, or for web surfers, this doesnt quite fit.
#15
Yuck, Mesh are an abysmal company to deal with. I'd never deal with them again after what they did. The PC arrived broken and it took over 2 months and almost daily calls for them to get me a refund for it (after they tried and failed to fix it).
#16
dean_brfc;8324212
Probably looking at around £160-£170 to get those extra bits, taking this over the £400 mark. With a good monitor it's going to be approaching £550.

Is it still good value at that price? Genuine question, I've lost track of computer prices recently.


eh? 170 quid? I was thinking nearer 100 quid!
2 gb ram... and a max 60 quid graphics card

Spend much more on graphics and it's only gamers who would be wanting to pay over that.
If you game, then surely this sort of thing isn't what you want anyway.
#17
nihcaj
eh? 170 quid? I was thinking nearer 100 quid!
2 gb ram... and a max 60 quid graphics card

Spend much more on graphics and it's only gamers who would be wanting to pay over that.
If you game, then surely this sort of thing isn't what you want anyway.


Operating system......?

If you dont game, why would you want this machine, other than for those applications I mentioned above....it would be total overkill?
#18
MrShed
Operating system......?

If you dont game, why would you want this machine, other than for those applications I mentioned above....it would be total overkill?


My virtual pipe organ maxes out my Q6600, 8GB... No graphics required!
#19
gingercat
My virtual pipe organ maxes out my Q6600, 8GB... No graphics required!


As I said, other than CPU intensive apps only..... :whistling:
#20
Thanks OP, just ordered 4 for a small office.
#21
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/186628

IS THIS WORTH THE MONEY?
#22
MrShed;8324592
Operating system......?

If you dont game, why would you want this machine, other than for those applications I mentioned above....it would be total overkill?


Operating system was a bit obvious.

Uses, well just for mine.....
Multi tasking ability
Video Editing/Encoding
Music composition software
at the same time, it operates in the background as Media server to other PCs and Media player & extender & also gets most of the backups from other PCs on network

Also, it's nice to have a simple speed improvement over something slower, otherwise we would all have Netbooks!
Other PC in my household gets used for 3D development, but I don't use for that.

Might be a surprise to you, but most PCs don't have games of any significance played on them, which is why so many get by on integrated graphics!

I daresay other people have similar specific reasons.
#23
gingercat;8324727
My virtual pipe organ maxes out my Q6600, 8GB... No graphics required!


I can imagine!
#24
nihcaj
Operating system was a bit obvious.


So why exclude it when talking about the allin price if its that obvious?



Uses, well just for mine.....
Multi tasking ability

Like you need a quad for that...


Video Editing/Encoding
Music composition software

Niche areas, but certainly mentioned above - this is effectively the best use for this machine.


at the same time, it operates in the background as Media server to other PCs and Media player & extender & also gets most of the backups from other PCs on network


Most certainly not CPU intensive.



Also, it's nice to have a simple speed improvement over something slower, otherwise we would all have Netbooks!


Comparing this to a dual core for standard apps/browsign use is completely different to netbook comparison - most users for this kind of usage will see little or no difference from a decent dual.


Might be a surprise to you, but most PCs don't have games of any significance played on them, which is why so many get by on integrated graphics!

I dont deny this - what I am saying is that MOST people who want a high end machine want it for gaming (not all, as mentioned above).

I do feel you have intentionally missed my point. I havent said this is a bad deal. I've said its got a relatively small target audience who only want CPU intesnive apps, not graphical. I never said that audience wasnt there, only that it was small in comparison.

For surfers/office apps, this machine is total overkill and not good value for money.
#25
My reasoning is that quad core will allow for future proofing - it'll gain performance as more software supports it, and a memory upgrade in a few years will alleviate a bottleneck as well. It seems silly to buy a £230-240 desktop with a CPU benchmark score of 1602 when for a little bit more, there is this one with a benchmark score of 3500+ (http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php). My parents in law want a computer that will still be useful in time to come, so I figure a single-core celeron would be a false economy.

If there are any other decent desktop PCs in this price range, then I'd love to hear them (no sarcasm).
#26
Bought it on behalf of my mate (who isn't on the net) last week. Now waiting for it to be delivered and I'll put my old Vista on it (bought Windows 7 last October myself) for him.
What the dribbling about the "you don't need a quad-blah blah blah" is about is mystifying. You go for the best you can afford, and if it isn't enough, then either tough, or fork out three times more for an i7 or i5.
Why is that hard to understand FGS?
Jesus, some people....
#27
DE4L3R
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/186628

IS THIS WORTH THE MONEY?


Double the HD, same cpu, double the ram, £10's worth of keyboard and mouse Windows 7 64bit
Touch and go. I'd say about the same in value. But what if you've already got an OS, and are happy with what this has ?
This would suit you. Doesn't mean the Mesh wouldn't be a better choice for others on a tight budget.
#28
mph
how fast is the networking? does it handle 1gbbs?
It's on the specification shown on the website and the OP posted it as well on the first page :) 10/100mbps only.

Robert
#29
does anyone know what PSU this has? I have a Sapphire HD4870 im hoping to slot in there!
#30
DragonChris
I was looking at this too, and am tempted, although it's a bit over my intended buget. Furthermore I'd have to add a gfx card and double the RAM... Plus £10 postage to NI... Would end up being over £300 >.<


Build your own piece by piece for that money m8.
Just make sure it's all compatible.
#31
Dangreen_17
does anyone know what PSU this has? I have a Sapphire HD4870 im hoping to slot in there!
The user review on Ebuyer's website suggests that it's nominally rated at 250w. Also, not a super quiet machine due to a slightly noisy fan but this could easily be replaced if it bothers you. If you're looking for a workhorse type, non gaming PC then this is probably ideal (especially if you already have a suitable OS). But if you're planning to add/replace a lot of the components then it's most likely better to look elsewhere.

Robert
#32
Dangreen_17
does anyone know what PSU this has? I have a Sapphire HD4870 im hoping to slot in there!


According to one of the reviews on ebuyer, it has a 250W power supply - he stuck in a ATI 3450 HD 256mb without issue if that helps.
#33
thanks for that guys. i live in a house of pro gamers. want to run the likes of TF2 & CSS. so i might buy a bigger PSU to power the card!
1 Like #34
RJK3;8325378
My reasoning is that quad core will allow for future proofing - it'll gain performance as more software supports it, and a memory upgrade in a few years will alleviate a bottleneck as well. It seems silly to buy a £230-240 desktop with a CPU benchmark score of 1602 when for a little bit more, there is this one with a benchmark score of 3500+ (http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php). My parents in law want a computer that will still be useful in time to come, so I figure a single-core celeron would be a false economy.


In general I agree.

Where the idea comes from that you buy a PC which is only just capable of doing basic stuff at it's maximum is like buying a car capable of only JUST driving at 70mph maximum. No one thinks like that with any product.

Few bob more now, (don't go silly though, there is not benefit going to the top of the processor ranges) and no rush to upgrade for some time, in the meantime it is pretty fast and no sitting around waiting when you decide to have 12 tabs open on a web browser as well as 3 other lots of stuff going on in the background on and off your machine!
#35
Dangreen_17;8325937
thanks for that guys. i live in a house of pro gamers. want to run the likes of TF2 & CSS. so i might buy a bigger PSU to power the card!


Well in this case isn't it exactly the situation where building a machine from scratch DOES make sense, rather than buying a PC that is going to get partly chucked out!?
#36
Unless you're going to put on a free OS such as Ubuntu and are OK with 2gb of RAM then fine, however, add in Windows 7, 1 or 2gb more RAM (2gb is paltry these days) and it isn't such a good deal as the pre-built systems that ebuyer already sell - IMO there are no decent desktop deals at ebuyer currently.

Cool from me in this case.
1 Like #37
Dangreen_17
thanks for that guys. i live in a house of pro gamers. want to run the likes of TF2 & CSS. so i might buy a bigger PSU to power the card!


Buying a new PSU makes this deal less good.

Might be worth finding a good motherboard bundle (CPU, motherboard, memory) and putting into a case+PSU of your choice - this, if you aren't comfortable installing the CPU onto the motherboard.

Or this novatech barebones would be better for you:
http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/Barebones/Novatech/BB-6304G.html

£239.99 + delivery (can get cashback)
# AMD Quad Core X4 630
# 2 x 2Gb 240Pin DDR2 800Mhz
# ATX Tower Case With 400w PSU
# NVIDIA GeForce 6100 Chipset

According to http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php, the CPU is slightly less powerful than the Q8300, but the bundle comes with 4gb memory and a 400W PSU. If you already have a HDD and a DVD rom, then you are in a good position to just add a good graphics card.
#38
harveyadam
Unless you're going to put on a free OS such as Ubuntu and are OK with 2gb of RAM then fine, however, add in Windows 7, 1 or 2gb more RAM (2gb is paltry these days) and it isn't such a good deal as the pre-built systems that ebuyer already sell - IMO there are no decent desktop deals at ebuyer currently.
Cool from me in this case.


You forgot to put a URL to a better deal for this price/performance.

Originally the budget for a system was £200, which was actually possible with CCL - Athlon II 425, 2gb memory, 320gb, no OS. But recently they raised the price to about £230, and the only difference is a 500gb HDD. I can't find any better deals <£250, and my parents in law aren't comfortable with 'barebones' even though it might be advantageous.

When you compare the specs of CCL's £230 deal (especially when it used to be £200), to the Mesh Quad at only £30 more, then it is hard to do better.
banned#39
Does anyone know, how many hard drives this can take?
#40
Oriana the Quiet
Does anyone know, how many hard drives this can take?


Good question - they're strangely shy about revealing the motherboard as far as I can see. Most *decent* motherboards have a minimum of 4x SATA ports...

A (5*) E-Buyer review on the link says that the PSU doesn't have any SATA power leads and needs Molex converters... They say there are 4 SATA slots on the MB with 2 in use, I guess one is used by the optical drive.

Of course you can expand storage further with USB or extra SATA/eSATA interface cards! :)

First thing I'd probably want to do is slam in 2GB more RAM, an extra 1.5 or 2 TB drive, a decent video card and install Windows 7. That PSU sounds a litle dodgy too.

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