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Microsoft Nokia Lumia 830 Black £258.22 @ Amazon

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Hiya, was looking to buy new Lumia Phone since I lost my iPhone a day before (long time iPhone user 5 years+), after lot of looking around on web and stores, just noticed amazon reduced the price for …
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Hiya, was looking to buy new Lumia Phone since I lost my iPhone a day before (long time iPhone user 5 years+), after lot of looking around on web and stores, just noticed amazon reduced the price for Lumia 830 (Best windows phone at the moment) and hence cleared my pathway to choose 830 instead of 735 (around £170-£200), £50 quids are justifiable in my mind to go for 830. This is only for Black model though but you can buy funky colour back cover from eBay if you like those.
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hyenadog
the problem with the 1020 is that its now End of Life and will no longer get Nokia (Microsoft) firmware updates as its too slow and underpowered so no Denim update for this badboy

I have a 1020 and an AtivS and tend to carry around the Ativ S as its smaller lighter and has an sd card slot. If i am going on a trip though i take the 1020 as the pictures it takes especially in lower light are superb even thought he shot to shot time is around 4 seconds ! S-L-0-W

Personally I'm reaching the end of my persistance with windows phone, theres been no 1020 repplacement for >2 years and the 830 is no better than my ATIVS really .. its a pity because the OS is really good and you can just about live with the poorer (compared to IOS) apps but just as with Windows Mobile you just know that Microsoft isnt interested long term and its probably better to move to IOS /android rather than dream of a 1020 with more grunt

as soon as the iphone 6 gets image stabilisation then I'll probably get that (the 6 plus is too big for me) till then the AtivS makes a great day to day phone

Don't write about things you don't know about....

All previous generation Lumia's are getting the Denim update (including the 1020!!). Only the latest Lumia variants get the full benefits though, such as 4K recording.

The 830 is a far more accomplished phone than the Ativ S. It has a MUCH better camera, wireless charging, a 5" screen, a much classier design, glance screen, HAAC high amplitude microphones & super sensitive touch screen. Oh, and the MYRIAD of Lumia exclusive apps, including the excellent Movie Creator Beta.

If you don't like the speed of the camera on the 1020, just use the default Microsoft app. It doesn't have the oversampling tech, but it loads much quicker. Personally, I am happy to forgo some camera speed for the photos and videos that I manage to take with the 1020. It really is a superb phone...with some excellent apps to boot.

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#1
good price and voted hot, but what makes you say it's the best Windows phone? I thought the newer 930 was best, based on reviews I've read.
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vimaltailor1
good price and voted hot, but what makes you say it's the best Windows phone? I thought the newer 930 was best, based on reviews I've read.


Battery life on the 930 is pretty pants.
#3
Just bought the 930 for 270£ from simplyelectronics(using voucher found online), highly recommended if you can find the cash to top that...
#4
Difficult to say it's the best WP phone out there at the minute as it depends on your requirements. I prefer the 830's handling over the 930 but the camera on the 930's better etc. I've cracked the screen on my 1020 and am tempted to get the 830 after liking it in the Microsoft Store but might wait it out.
#5
unuspromulti
Difficult to say it's the best WP phone out there at the minute as it depends on your requirements. I prefer the 830's handling over the 930 but the camera on the 930's better etc. I've cracked the screen on my 1020 and am tempted to get the 830 after liking it in the Microsoft Store but might wait it out.


vimaltailor1
good price and voted hot, but what makes you say it's the best Windows phone? I thought the newer 930 was best, based on reviews I've read.

One of the Amazon reviews sums it up pretty well;

"The amazing thing is! I'm actually starting to prefer this over my 930. Even though 930 has some better features(build, camera resolution, display, faster processors, extra ram); but in-reality I haven't noticed any difference that bothers me: The 830 display is excellent, camera is excellent though lower res, speed on loading apps;/internet is speedy, feels good. For every day use the 830 is fluid, fast, efficient, has good looks - It really is great for its price! Yet the 830 also has its own advantage over the 930: Glance screen is now back, expandable memory up 120GB(I do recommend using a fast card such as the Samsung Pro), a removable battery... Amazing for its price!"
#6
yhe windows 1020 was only £150 few weeks ago in sainsburys
#7
sharoncaldwell7737
yhe windows 1020 was only £150 few weeks ago in sainsburys

It was also only £144 via O2 Refresh, and also included the camera grip, a set of fancy headphones, & if you lucked out like I did, a free upgrade to the 64GB model!
Unfortunately, that phone is now 2 years old...and is not being sold by O2 or Sainsbury's (or pretty much anyone else in any sizeable volumes).
The 830 beats it in every area apart from the camera...
#8
the problem with the 1020 is that its now End of Life and will no longer get Nokia (Microsoft) firmware updates as its too slow and underpowered so no Denim update for this badboy

I have a 1020 and an AtivS and tend to carry around the Ativ S as its smaller lighter and has an sd card slot. If i am going on a trip though i take the 1020 as the pictures it takes especially in lower light are superb even thought he shot to shot time is around 4 seconds ! S-L-0-W

Personally I'm reaching the end of my persistance with windows phone, theres been no 1020 repplacement for >2 years and the 830 is no better than my ATIVS really .. its a pity because the OS is really good and you can just about live with the poorer (compared to IOS) apps but just as with Windows Mobile you just know that Microsoft isnt interested long term and its probably better to move to IOS /android rather than dream of a 1020 with more grunt

as soon as the iphone 6 gets image stabilisation then I'll probably get that (the 6 plus is too big for me) till then the AtivS makes a great day to day phone
10 Likes #9
hyenadog
the problem with the 1020 is that its now End of Life and will no longer get Nokia (Microsoft) firmware updates as its too slow and underpowered so no Denim update for this badboy

I have a 1020 and an AtivS and tend to carry around the Ativ S as its smaller lighter and has an sd card slot. If i am going on a trip though i take the 1020 as the pictures it takes especially in lower light are superb even thought he shot to shot time is around 4 seconds ! S-L-0-W

Personally I'm reaching the end of my persistance with windows phone, theres been no 1020 repplacement for >2 years and the 830 is no better than my ATIVS really .. its a pity because the OS is really good and you can just about live with the poorer (compared to IOS) apps but just as with Windows Mobile you just know that Microsoft isnt interested long term and its probably better to move to IOS /android rather than dream of a 1020 with more grunt

as soon as the iphone 6 gets image stabilisation then I'll probably get that (the 6 plus is too big for me) till then the AtivS makes a great day to day phone

Don't write about things you don't know about....

All previous generation Lumia's are getting the Denim update (including the 1020!!). Only the latest Lumia variants get the full benefits though, such as 4K recording.

The 830 is a far more accomplished phone than the Ativ S. It has a MUCH better camera, wireless charging, a 5" screen, a much classier design, glance screen, HAAC high amplitude microphones & super sensitive touch screen. Oh, and the MYRIAD of Lumia exclusive apps, including the excellent Movie Creator Beta.

If you don't like the speed of the camera on the 1020, just use the default Microsoft app. It doesn't have the oversampling tech, but it loads much quicker. Personally, I am happy to forgo some camera speed for the photos and videos that I manage to take with the 1020. It really is a superb phone...with some excellent apps to boot.
#10
I'm surprised they even make these Lumia phones any more, Windows Phone appears to have completely died.
1 Like #11
nickkelly
I'm surprised they even make these Lumia phones any more, Windows Phone appears to have completely died.


nah
#12
Main advantage of this is the SD card over the 930

The 930, however, has the newer snapdragon processor which can support always-on voice commands - handy when driving, or for me, when operating - I will be able to shout at it completely hands free to change the tune....

Beware though - on the 830, netflix is currently completely broke, with no fix in sight......
3 Likes #13
bradford_dr
Main advantage of this is the SD card over the 930

The 930, however, has the newer snapdragon processor which can support always-on voice commands - handy when driving, or for me, when operating - I will be able to shout at it completely hands free to change the tune....

Beware though - on the 830, netflix is currently completely broke, with no fix in sight......

Are you sure it's broken? I just watched Flight on my 1020....? Worked fine...


nickkelly
I'm surprised they even make these Lumia phones any more, Windows Phone appears to have completely died.

Lumia's were the third most activated handset on Christmas Day in the US (6%)....behind Samsung on ~18% and Apple on around 50%...
Now given the myriad of phone manufacturer's out there (Sony/HTC/LG/Google's own Nexus line etc etc), 6% is a pretty impressive figure for a platform that has apparently 'completely died'.

Or to put it another way, you just won the silly comment of the day award. :{

http://www.windowscentral.com/new-lumia-christmas-activations-beat-every-smartphone-company-except-apple-and-samsung
#14
Also worth knowing that the 930,, like the 1520 Phablet support 4k video recording with the new Denim over the air upgrade.
(Not going to use 4k all the time but it is a nice to have).

Edited By: rd3d2 on Jan 02, 2015 23:40
1 Like #15
I have been using this phone for almost 10 days now , knowing that i used to own an iphone and a lumia 720 before now let's move to what i really think about this phone.

Camera : Camera is very good , but if you really want to take some really good pictures you need to use the manual mode which is easy to learn , i found the AUTO mode of the camera not performing well in some conditions like indoor , but when i interfere manually the pictures are much better but i believe that will be improved in the new Lumia camera coming up this quarter with dynamic flash and lots of amazing features , and also the ability to control shutter speed for up to 4 seconds is very good you will be able to make amazing effects using this feature and take perfect pics under low light conditions , Frond camera is not very good for selfies it's just good enough for video calls but you can take very good selfies with the back camera using the lumia selfie app which automatically takes a pic when it detects someone in the frame

Screen : Screen is good but not amazing , it's 720P with 294 PPI which is more then enough for me but the screen colors are not as punchy and vivid as you would find in an amoled screen .


Quality : The phone quality is just amazing , phone is thin , light and has a surrounding aluminum frame that makes the phone feels very premium and sturdy in your hands.


Battery : Batter is more then average , it will take you through the day with moderate to heavy usage. ( Definitely better then all iPhones )


Windows phone : I my self love the windows phone i love how it looks , it's something new and fresh compared to the other icon based OS like android and IOS , the software it self is very sleek ,smooth and fast.
#16
Nice but im waiting on windows 10 phones... Wish they'd give more info already
#17
nickkelly
I'm surprised they even make these Lumia phones any more, Windows Phone appears to have completely died.


Really? I expect Windows Phone to make big inroads into the smartphone arena. Especially as a corporate device, being much cheaper than iPants products. BlackBerry has left a big space which I feel Windows Phone is set to fill.
#18
wenttoabetterplace
[quote=bradford_dr] Main advantage of this is the SD card over the 930
The 930, however, has the newer snapdragon processor which can support always-on voice commands - handy when driving, or for me, when operating - I will be able to shout at it completely hands free to change the tune....
Beware though - on the 830, netflix is currently completely broke, with no fix in sight......
Are you sure it's broken? I just watched Flight on my 1020....? Worked fine...

Yuo, do a quick google, if you own a 730, 735 or 830, you're bang out of luck. My wife and daughters 520s are fine, my old 530 is fine, even my Omnia S and Toshiba tg01 with windows phone get Netflix....
#19
bradford_dr
wenttoabetterplace
[quote=bradford_dr] Main advantage of this is the SD card over the 930
The 930, however, has the newer snapdragon processor which can support always-on voice commands - handy when driving, or for me, when operating - I will be able to shout at it completely hands free to change the tune....
Beware though - on the 830, netflix is currently completely broke, with no fix in sight......
Are you sure it's broken? I just watched Flight on my 1020....? Worked fine...

Yuo, do a quick google, if you own a 730, 735 or 830, you're bang out of luck. My wife and daughters 520s are fine, my old 530 is fine, even my Omnia S and Toshiba tg01 with windows phone get Netflix....

That's a very strange glitch! Snapdragon 400 related I imagine, as the SD800 phones (930/1520) seem to work fine.
I hope they fix it quickly for you.
#20
What a s***** comment... i'm on of those that was fed up of iphones limitations in terms of space, battery lifetime, files format and very overpriced....yes you lose the apps you bought but in my case was losing 20 quid in apps over spend 250 pound difference....


(Sorry OP - The whole original posting stinks of MS Marketing/Astroturfing, so here's mine. I never believe these posts where someone gives up an iPhone and chooses a Windows Phone, it just has no logic, unless you have just become bankrupt and are completely desperate). You'd be giving up all your purchased Apps too, it just doesn't happen)
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Edited By: arma_gera on Jan 03, 2015 08:28
#21
Did it never occur to anyone that it takes more than just "sheep" to make a product profitable? The iPhone is popular today because it is a good quality product, just like VW is in the car world.
#22
TackyAuto
Did it never occur to anyone that it takes more than just "sheep" to make a product profitable? The iPhone is popular today because it is a good quality product, just like VW is in the car world.
Not really, its popular because of sheep... Plenty of better products are on the market, especially these days, but they don't sell as well because they don't have the sheep...
#23
I've been using my lumia 800 for 3yrs now and love it, I wouldn't have an iPhone near me overpriced vw if your asking me in fact I wouldn't have an android near me either but that's just my opinion, Windows all the way
#24
Excellent phone, excellent price. Nice find

TackyAuto
Did it never occur to anyone that it takes more than just "sheep" to make a product profitable? The iPhone is popular today because it is a good quality product, just like VW is in the car world.

None of that is right. VWs are reliable. Have you ever seen a Nokia phone? They pretty much set the definition for reliability in the phone world. The OS is pretty solid now too. Whereas iPhones are anything but reliable. Buttons break, units bend, any iPhone a couple of generations behind becomes almost unusable with the current OS, and the list goes on. If you are going to compare phones to cars, the Lumia range are the VWs. On your other point, the iPhone is profitable today because Apple have an excellent understanding of retail marketing.


Edited By: stringsonfire on Jan 03, 2015 10:11
#25
stringsonfire
Excellent phone, excellent price. Nice find

TackyAuto
Did it never occur to anyone that it takes more than just "sheep" to make a product profitable? The iPhone is popular today because it is a good quality product, just like VW is in the car world.

None of that is right. VWs are reliable. Have you ever seen a Nokia phone? They pretty much set the definition for reliability in the phone world. The OS is pretty solid now too. Whereas iPhones are anything but reliable. Buttons break, units bend, any iPhone a couple of generations behind becomes almost unusable with the current OS, and the list goes on. If you are going to compare phones to cars, the Lumia range are the VWs. On your other point, the iPhone is profitable today because Apple have an excellent understanding of retail marketing.



At least Apple offer OS updates, with Android phones even the flagship phones can forgo the latest updates.
#26
maradona
Nice but im waiting on windows 10 phones... Wish they'd give more info already

All Lumia Windows Phone 8 devices will be upgraded to Windows 10, so you don't need to wait, this will be a windows 10 phone :D
#27
I got this phone the day it was released and I am very happy with it. Only criticism is the charge port is on the top, it makes it awkward to use as a sat Nav on long journeys if you need to charge at the same time. Not exactly a deal breaker though.
#28
wenttoabetterplace
hyenadog
the problem with the 1020 is that its now End of Life and will no longer get Nokia (Microsoft) firmware updates as its too slow and underpowered so no Denim update for this badboy

I have a 1020 and an AtivS and tend to carry around the Ativ S as its smaller lighter and has an sd card slot. If i am going on a trip though i take the 1020 as the pictures it takes especially in lower light are superb even thought he shot to shot time is around 4 seconds ! S-L-0-W

Personally I'm reaching the end of my persistance with windows phone, theres been no 1020 repplacement for >2 years and the 830 is no better than my ATIVS really .. its a pity because the OS is really good and you can just about live with the poorer (compared to IOS) apps but just as with Windows Mobile you just know that Microsoft isnt interested long term and its probably better to move to IOS /android rather than dream of a 1020 with more grunt

as soon as the iphone 6 gets image stabilisation then I'll probably get that (the 6 plus is too big for me) till then the AtivS makes a great day to day phone

Don't write about things you don't know about....

All previous generation Lumia's are getting the Denim update (including the 1020!!). Only the latest Lumia variants get the full benefits though, such as 4K recording.

The 830 is a far more accomplished phone than the Ativ S. It has a MUCH better camera, wireless charging, a 5" screen, a much classier design, glance screen, HAAC high amplitude microphones & super sensitive touch screen. Oh, and the MYRIAD of Lumia exclusive apps, including the excellent Movie Creator Beta.

If you don't like the speed of the camera on the 1020, just use the default Microsoft app. It doesn't have the oversampling tech, but it loads much quicker. Personally, I am happy to forgo some camera speed for the photos and videos that I manage to take with the 1020. It really is a superb phone...with some excellent apps to boot.
You are wrong about updates (early Lumia phones never received WP8). Microsoft has a very long tradition for dumping support for their mobile operating systems.
1 Like #29
limegreenzx
wenttoabetterplace
hyenadog
the problem with the 1020 is that its now End of Life and will no longer get Nokia (Microsoft) firmware updates as its too slow and underpowered so no Denim update for this badboy

I have a 1020 and an AtivS and tend to carry around the Ativ S as its smaller lighter and has an sd card slot. If i am going on a trip though i take the 1020 as the pictures it takes especially in lower light are superb even thought he shot to shot time is around 4 seconds ! S-L-0-W

Personally I'm reaching the end of my persistance with windows phone, theres been no 1020 repplacement for >2 years and the 830 is no better than my ATIVS really .. its a pity because the OS is really good and you can just about live with the poorer (compared to IOS) apps but just as with Windows Mobile you just know that Microsoft isnt interested long term and its probably better to move to IOS /android rather than dream of a 1020 with more grunt

as soon as the iphone 6 gets image stabilisation then I'll probably get that (the 6 plus is too big for me) till then the AtivS makes a great day to day phone

Don't write about things you don't know about....

All previous generation Lumia's are getting the Denim update (including the 1020!!). Only the latest Lumia variants get the full benefits though, such as 4K recording.

The 830 is a far more accomplished phone than the Ativ S. It has a MUCH better camera, wireless charging, a 5" screen, a much classier design, glance screen, HAAC high amplitude microphones & super sensitive touch screen. Oh, and the MYRIAD of Lumia exclusive apps, including the excellent Movie Creator Beta.

If you don't like the speed of the camera on the 1020, just use the default Microsoft app. It doesn't have the oversampling tech, but it loads much quicker. Personally, I am happy to forgo some camera speed for the photos and videos that I manage to take with the 1020. It really is a superb phone...with some excellent apps to boot.
You are wrong about updates (early Lumia phones never received WP8). Microsoft has a very long tradition for dumping support for their mobile operating systems.

"All previous generation (singular) Lumia's are getting the Denim update..."

The devil is in the detail ;). To confirm though, all xx2x series Lumia's will receive Denim. Indeed, many carrier variants in the EU of the 520/625/1320 have already received their Denim updates;

http://www.windowscentral.com/list-smartphones-lumia-demin-update-so-far-europe

The high end phones will be following in the very near future...including, you guessed it, the 1020 :)
banned#30
260 paund for not an iphone?

no thank you.

cold.
#31
Lazder
260 paund for not an iphone?

no thank you.

cold.

First step to freedom .. Just consider for a second that maybe the iPhone is not the best phone in the world.
#32
wenttoabetterplace
limegreenzx
wenttoabetterplace
hyenadog
the problem with the 1020 is that its now End of Life and will no longer get Nokia (Microsoft) firmware updates as its too slow and underpowered so no Denim update for this badboy

I have a 1020 and an AtivS and tend to carry around the Ativ S as its smaller lighter and has an sd card slot. If i am going on a trip though i take the 1020 as the pictures it takes especially in lower light are superb even thought he shot to shot time is around 4 seconds ! S-L-0-W

Personally I'm reaching the end of my persistance with windows phone, theres been no 1020 repplacement for >2 years and the 830 is no better than my ATIVS really .. its a pity because the OS is really good and you can just about live with the poorer (compared to IOS) apps but just as with Windows Mobile you just know that Microsoft isnt interested long term and its probably better to move to IOS /android rather than dream of a 1020 with more grunt

as soon as the iphone 6 gets image stabilisation then I'll probably get that (the 6 plus is too big for me) till then the AtivS makes a great day to day phone

Don't write about things you don't know about....

All previous generation Lumia's are getting the Denim update (including the 1020!!). Only the latest Lumia variants get the full benefits though, such as 4K recording.

The 830 is a far more accomplished phone than the Ativ S. It has a MUCH better camera, wireless charging, a 5" screen, a much classier design, glance screen, HAAC high amplitude microphones & super sensitive touch screen. Oh, and the MYRIAD of Lumia exclusive apps, including the excellent Movie Creator Beta.

If you don't like the speed of the camera on the 1020, just use the default Microsoft app. It doesn't have the oversampling tech, but it loads much quicker. Personally, I am happy to forgo some camera speed for the photos and videos that I manage to take with the 1020. It really is a superb phone...with some excellent apps to boot.
You are wrong about updates (early Lumia phones never received WP8). Microsoft has a very long tradition for dumping support for their mobile operating systems.

"All previous generation (singular) Lumia's are getting the Denim update..."

The devil is in the detail ;). To confirm though, all xx2x series Lumia's will receive Denim. Indeed, many carrier variants in the EU of the 520/625/1320 have already received their Denim updates;

http://www.windowscentral.com/list-smartphones-lumia-demin-update-so-far-europe

The high end phones will be following in the very near future...including, you guessed it, the 1020 :)

Sadly the 1020 isn't getting 4k video support.
#33
rd3d2
wenttoabetterplace
limegreenzx
wenttoabetterplace
hyenadog
the problem with the 1020 is that its now End of Life and will no longer get Nokia (Microsoft) firmware updates as its too slow and underpowered so no Denim update for this badboy

I have a 1020 and an AtivS and tend to carry around the Ativ S as its smaller lighter and has an sd card slot. If i am going on a trip though i take the 1020 as the pictures it takes especially in lower light are superb even thought he shot to shot time is around 4 seconds ! S-L-0-W

Personally I'm reaching the end of my persistance with windows phone, theres been no 1020 repplacement for >2 years and the 830 is no better than my ATIVS really .. its a pity because the OS is really good and you can just about live with the poorer (compared to IOS) apps but just as with Windows Mobile you just know that Microsoft isnt interested long term and its probably better to move to IOS /android rather than dream of a 1020 with more grunt

as soon as the iphone 6 gets image stabilisation then I'll probably get that (the 6 plus is too big for me) till then the AtivS makes a great day to day phone

Don't write about things you don't know about....

All previous generation Lumia's are getting the Denim update (including the 1020!!). Only the latest Lumia variants get the full benefits though, such as 4K recording.

The 830 is a far more accomplished phone than the Ativ S. It has a MUCH better camera, wireless charging, a 5" screen, a much classier design, glance screen, HAAC high amplitude microphones & super sensitive touch screen. Oh, and the MYRIAD of Lumia exclusive apps, including the excellent Movie Creator Beta.

If you don't like the speed of the camera on the 1020, just use the default Microsoft app. It doesn't have the oversampling tech, but it loads much quicker. Personally, I am happy to forgo some camera speed for the photos and videos that I manage to take with the 1020. It really is a superb phone...with some excellent apps to boot.
You are wrong about updates (early Lumia phones never received WP8). Microsoft has a very long tradition for dumping support for their mobile operating systems.

"All previous generation (singular) Lumia's are getting the Denim update..."

The devil is in the detail ;). To confirm though, all xx2x series Lumia's will receive Denim. Indeed, many carrier variants in the EU of the 520/625/1320 have already received their Denim updates;

http://www.windowscentral.com/list-smartphones-lumia-demin-update-so-far-europe

The high end phones will be following in the very near future...including, you guessed it, the 1020 :)

Sadly the 1020 isn't getting 4k video support.

Disappointing, but not really too surprising. The underlying hardware just isn't powerful enough.
Still, 1080P already looks stunning on my 1020....and I don't have a computer capable of playing back 4K, let alone editing it :)
#34
wenttoabetterplace
rd3d2
wenttoabetterplace
limegreenzx
wenttoabetterplace
hyenadog
the problem with the 1020 is that its now End of Life and will no longer get Nokia (Microsoft) firmware updates as its too slow and underpowered so no Denim update for this badboy

I have a 1020 and an AtivS and tend to carry around the Ativ S as its smaller lighter and has an sd card slot. If i am going on a trip though i take the 1020 as the pictures it takes especially in lower light are superb even thought he shot to shot time is around 4 seconds ! S-L-0-W

Personally I'm reaching the end of my persistance with windows phone, theres been no 1020 repplacement for >2 years and the 830 is no better than my ATIVS really .. its a pity because the OS is really good and you can just about live with the poorer (compared to IOS) apps but just as with Windows Mobile you just know that Microsoft isnt interested long term and its probably better to move to IOS /android rather than dream of a 1020 with more grunt

as soon as the iphone 6 gets image stabilisation then I'll probably get that (the 6 plus is too big for me) till then the AtivS makes a great day to day phone

Don't write about things you don't know about....

All previous generation Lumia's are getting the Denim update (including the 1020!!). Only the latest Lumia variants get the full benefits though, such as 4K recording.

The 830 is a far more accomplished phone than the Ativ S. It has a MUCH better camera, wireless charging, a 5" screen, a much classier design, glance screen, HAAC high amplitude microphones & super sensitive touch screen. Oh, and the MYRIAD of Lumia exclusive apps, including the excellent Movie Creator Beta.

If you don't like the speed of the camera on the 1020, just use the default Microsoft app. It doesn't have the oversampling tech, but it loads much quicker. Personally, I am happy to forgo some camera speed for the photos and videos that I manage to take with the 1020. It really is a superb phone...with some excellent apps to boot.
You are wrong about updates (early Lumia phones never received WP8). Microsoft has a very long tradition for dumping support for their mobile operating systems.

"All previous generation (singular) Lumia's are getting the Denim update..."

The devil is in the detail ;). To confirm though, all xx2x series Lumia's will receive Denim. Indeed, many carrier variants in the EU of the 520/625/1320 have already received their Denim updates;

http://www.windowscentral.com/list-smartphones-lumia-demin-update-so-far-europe

The high end phones will be following in the very near future...including, you guessed it, the 1020 :)

Sadly the 1020 isn't getting 4k video support.

Disappointing, but not really too surprising. The underlying hardware just isn't powerful enough.
Still, 1080P already looks stunning on my 1020....and I don't have a computer capable of playing back 4K, let alone editing it :)

My wife lost (my) 1020 on our holidays this year - brilliant phone and sorely missed.
#35
Get the Nokia Lumia 925...

Has more storage, same 720p HD AMOLED Screen, 1GB RAM, better camera and a metal chassis.

You can get them new/refurbished on ebay for £125, they are getting all the same updates as latest Lumia's.

Only major difference is a slower Dual Core processor, but because Window Phone 8 does not require the big gun specs like Android, the speed difference is barely noticeable.
#36
gilesrdavies
Get the Nokia Lumia 925...

Has more storage, same 720p HD AMOLED Screen, 1GB RAM, better camera and a metal chassis.

You can get them new/refurbished on ebay for £125, they are getting all the same updates as latest Lumia's.

Only major difference is a slower Dual Core processor, but because Window Phone 8 does not require the big gun specs like Android, the speed difference is barely noticeable.

Wrong, wrong and wrong....

The 830 has a better camera - undoubtedly. It's a generation more advanced, and benefits from the quad core processor and Denim specific camera upgrades. It also has more HAAC microphones (x3) & Dobly audio recording tech (Spinal Tap reference right there ;) ).
The 830 also has a 5" screen, which has been widely praised for its quality.
The 830 has 1GB of RAM too, but has a better processor.
The 925 does not benefit from things such as SensorCore, and has a less power efficient processor. It will also lose features quicker than the 830 given that it is a generation older.
The 925 does not have wireless charging either...
AND you can't increase the storage on the 925 (the 830 has 16GB built in + up to 128GB of space via micro SD)

The 830 is the much better choice.

Edited By: wenttoabetterplace on Jan 03, 2015 14:46
#37
wenttoabetterplace
gilesrdavies
Get the Nokia Lumia 925...

Has more storage, same 720p HD AMOLED Screen, 1GB RAM, better camera and a metal chassis.

You can get them new/refurbished on ebay for £125, they are getting all the same updates as latest Lumia's.

Only major difference is a slower Dual Core processor, but because Window Phone 8 does not require the big gun specs like Android, the speed difference is barely noticeable.

Wrong, wrong and wrong....

The 830 has a better camera - undoubtedly. It's a generation more advanced, and benefits from the quad core processor and Denim specific camera upgrades. It also has more HAAC microphones (x3) & Dobly audio recording tech (Spinal Tap reference right there ;) ).
The 830 also has a 5" screen, which has been widely praised for its quality.
The 830 has 1GB of RAM too, but has a better processor.
The 925 does not benefit from things such as SensorCore, and has a less power efficient processor. It will also lose features quicker than the 830 given that it is a generation older.
The 925 does not have wireless charging either...
AND you can't increase the storage on the 925 (the 830 has 16GB built in + up to 128GB of space via micro SD)

The 830 is the much better choice.


My apologies and happy to be corrected...

I am still thrilled with my Lumia 925! Was playing around with a friends Lumia 830 and differences felt negligible.

I got the wireless charger case for the phone.
#38
gilesrdavies
wenttoabetterplace
gilesrdavies
Get the Nokia Lumia 925...

Has more storage, same 720p HD AMOLED Screen, 1GB RAM, better camera and a metal chassis.

You can get them new/refurbished on ebay for £125, they are getting all the same updates as latest Lumia's.

Only major difference is a slower Dual Core processor, but because Window Phone 8 does not require the big gun specs like Android, the speed difference is barely noticeable.

Wrong, wrong and wrong....

The 830 has a better camera - undoubtedly. It's a generation more advanced, and benefits from the quad core processor and Denim specific camera upgrades. It also has more HAAC microphones (x3) & Dobly audio recording tech (Spinal Tap reference right there ;) ).
The 830 also has a 5" screen, which has been widely praised for its quality.
The 830 has 1GB of RAM too, but has a better processor.
The 925 does not benefit from things such as SensorCore, and has a less power efficient processor. It will also lose features quicker than the 830 given that it is a generation older.
The 925 does not have wireless charging either...
AND you can't increase the storage on the 925 (the 830 has 16GB built in + up to 128GB of space via micro SD)

The 830 is the much better choice.

My apologies and happy to be corrected...

I am still thrilled with my Lumia 925! Was playing around with a friends Lumia 830 and differences felt negligible.

I got the wireless charger case for the phone.

The 925 is a great phone - no doubt about that. I have the 1020 which runs on the same internals (pretty much), and despite having owned it for 9 months now, I do not feel compelled to 'upgrade' to any other phone. It is a great bit of kit.
With that said, give me a 1020 camera on a 930 spec' smartphone, with micro SD support, and I'll upgrade in a snap!
#39
Pretty surprised these are worth this much. I bought one off a friend for £170 a month or so ago to try out Windows Phone as I hadn't had a dabble since I got the 1020 on the Refresh deal. I really don't understand why it is receiving so much praise. The build quality feels OK but I thought the camera section looked a bit cheap and tacky with the big glossy circle around it. The unit I had was missing some of the paint around the black metal edge, apparently where it had been stored in a shirt pocket with a pen. Speed and fluidity was as good as we've come to expect with Windows Phone but I didn't notice a marked improvement over the 1020 (from memory at least). Took a few photos and they seemed decent, and the screen had a nice vibrancy for an IPS but overall I just found it a bit underwhelming. I took it to Cex!

I do wonder if the fact that it runs a Snapdragon 400 put me off a bit. I know power isn't everything with Windows Phone but that's a real cheap CPU in my eyes. Wouldn't have harmed to put an S800 in, then they could have really called it an affordable flagship. S400 and 'flagship' are oxymorons in my eyes - my WATCH has an S400!

Personally I would go for the 930 for not much more, unless you really need an SD slot and Glance and love Windows Phone. I don't tend to store all that much on a phone myself so 32GB is quite a lot, and I always found Glance to be a bit of a pointless thing. I hate my screen being lit up though - I don't even like notification lights.

Overall I think £250 is too much for this hardware unless you fall into a rather specific category. £199 would be about right I reckon.
I still have an official orange charging back and a generic case if anyone is after either of them.
suspended#40
Snapdragon 400? Lol..no thanks.

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