MSI CR630 Triple Core P820 (AMD Phenom II) 250GB 15.6in laptop at Argos £349.99 (online & instore) - HotUKDeals
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I found this laptop in the Argos 'Up to £200 off Laptops & Netbooks' promotion. I thought the specifications (particularly the AMD Phenom II P820 Triple Core Processor) were very good for the price. It has previously been listed on Argos for £449.99 and £399.99, so it's a pretty decent saving. If you're ordering online you should be able to use the EFD code for free delivery on orders over £50 (credit to joggerspark for the code). Here's the full specification:


MSI CR630 Triple Core 250GB 15.6in Laptop.

CPU and Memory:

Triple core P820.
2GB DDR3 RAM memory.
250GB SATA hard drive.
Display features:

15.6in display.
Resolution 1366 x 768 pixels.
DVD optical drives:

Dual layer.
Graphics:

ATI Radeon HD with 4200 graphics card.
Interfaces and connectivity:

4-in-1 media card reader.
3 USB ports.
1 HDMI port.
B/g/n wireless/WiFi enabled.
Multi-media features:

1.3MP built-in.
Operating system and software:

Microsoft Windows 7 Premium.
Preloaded manufacturers suite of applications include:

Music.
Photo.
Movie.
Business.
Tuition.
Gaming.
General features:

Size H37.4, W24.7, D1.8cm.
Weight 2.48kg.
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#1
The AMD triple and quad core CPUs for laptops are best avoided. Low IPC and low clock speed with no turbo boost is a bad mix. At least the TDP is low on this one.
1 Like #2
Curse those pesky IPC and TDPs.
3 Likes #4
Robiow
Curse those pesky IPC and TDPs.

I’ll try and speak plain Enlgish, yah!
IPC relates to how much performance a CPU provided per GHz.
These have a lower IPC than Core 2 Duo and much less than Core i3/5/7.
Since it has a low clock speed (1.8GHz) and a low IPC it means that with most applications which only use 1 or 2 cores it is roughly equivalent to a 1.5GHz Core 2 Duo. For applications that can utilise all 3 cores it should equal ~2.3Ghz Core 2 Duo.
The quad core mobile Phenoms struggle to match a Core i3 even with very multi-threaded applications.
Intel are still way ahead of AMD for mobile CPUs and they have a new architecture due early next year which will give them an even bigger advantage.


Edited By: Agharta on Nov 06, 2010 19:49: Chicken da doo ron ron
#5
True , but a shame. Without Amd, intel would double their prices overnight.
#6
spakkker
True , but a shame. Without Amd, intel would double their prices overnight.

AMD have closed the gap considerably for desktop CPUs and unless you need high end performance and are prepared to spend over £200 AMD offer great value.
But for mobile devices where power efficiency is just as important as performance they are still struggling to get at all close to Intel. Hopefully their next generation will close the gap to the same extent as they have with desktop CPUs.


Edited By: Agharta on Nov 06, 2010 20:37: Ken Dodd for chancellor.
#7
I gather some mobos allow you to activate the 4th core (3 cores are just 4 core cpu's with one deactivated, I read somewhere)
Mind - if I was buying a laptop, I agree with the feller above. I'd be buying an i3 for not very much more.
banned#8
Agharta
spakkker
True , but a shame. Without Amd, intel would double their prices overnight.
AMD have closed the gap considerably for desktop CPUs and unless you need high end performance and are prepared to spend over £200 AMD offer great value.
But for mobile devices where power efficiency is just as important as performance they are still struggling to get at all close to Intel. Hopefully their next generation will close the gap to the same extent as they have with desktop CPUs.


Hi Agharta,

I am thinking to buy a new AMD desktop CPU, can you recommend a good one that is under £70, can be unlocked for multiple cores and give the best performance for money?

Thanks.
#9
i sold my quad core pc , to buy a laptop , main reason lack of space and also the huge electric bill . any way after looking at hundreds of laptops even the quad cores not very good best value to spec , i choose an acer i3 laptop
however it would not read my audio enhanced cds after an hour in comet and having big shouting match and also showing them that there display model did the same i got my money back .and had a look in pc world at the hp dv6 3050sa (they also do it in black or white) having got it home all i can say is it works and better built than the acer .its a amd n620 phenom x2 2.8ghz and knocks the pants off the lower end i3 it also has 2 gfx cards built in both are amd and 1st one is ati 4250 320mb and is for using while on battery the other is for 3d games and is a ati radeon m 5470 512mb . i can play unreal tournament 3 ok and also star wars battlefront 1 and 2 .i know its a bit more than the posted laptop but in my mind its worth spending a bit more .


i dont regret buying the hp dv6 3050sa one bit i got it from pc world with nortons 360 for £503

Edited By: vitaminjayz on Nov 07, 2010 10:12: missed abit
#10
Add to all this the fact that MSI laptops are never particularly good quality (and usually junk) this is not a hot deal.
#11
hp dv6 3050sa


Processor AMD Phenom II X2 Processor N620
- 2.8 GHz
- 1.8 GHz HT
- 2 MB L2 Cache
Operating System Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium
RAM - 4GB installed DDR3 RAM
Graphics card ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5470 Graphics 512mb
Onboard Graphic card ATI Radeon 4250 320mb
Screen type Widescreen LCD HP BrightView
Screen resolution - WXGA
- 1366 x 768 pixels
Screen size 15.6"
Screen features - LED backlighting
- Gloss Superbright
Hard drive 320GB SATA 7200rpm
Optical disk drive LightScribe SuperMulti DVD±R/RW with Double Layer Suppor
Memory card reader 5-in-1 integrated Digital Media Reader for Secure Digital cards, MultiMedia cards, Memory Stick, Memory Stick Pro or xD Picture cards
USB 3 x USB 2.0
1 x USB 2.0/eSATA
FireWire No
Modem/Ethernet 1 x RJ-45 Ethernet port
Wi-Fi 802.11b/g/n WLAN
Bluetooth Yes
Video interface 1 x VGA
1 x HDMI
Audio interface 1 stereo headphone-out
1 microphone-in
TV output HDMI (digital video/audio)
VGA (analogue video)
Sound Altec Lansing speakers
Webcam HP TrueVision Webcam with Integrated Digital Microphone (VGA low-light)
Keyboard & Mouse - Full size island-style keyboard
- HP Clickpad supporting Multi-Touch gestures with On/Off button
Battery - Lithium-Ion 6 cell
- Up to 4 hours battery life
Accessories included Power cord, AC adapter, battery, documentation
Also with HP Quick Web
Size Height: 245mm
Width: 378mm
Depth: 31mm
Weight 2.5kg



Edited By: vitaminjayz on Nov 07, 2010 10:44: .
#12
For those in the know

I have just bought from Tescos an Acer Aspir 5740 with an i3 330 processor 2.13ghz with 3gb RAM , windows 7 64bit ,320gb hard drive for £379 is it a good buy, I havent opened the box yet so i can still return it if it isnt


Edited By: jukie on Nov 07, 2010 11:26: add
#13
jukie check that it reads audio enhanced cds as it came out all garbled and even when i ripped them in itunes .
#14
i dont even know what an audio enhanced cd is!!! so I guess I wont be using them

The laptop is for a xmas pressie and just wondered if I was getting the best laptop for my cash only really wanted to spend £350 but saw the above and thought it looked good with the i3 processor

Edited By: jukie on Nov 07, 2010 11:11: add
#15
Jukie - I think you have quoted the wrong Acer code. Don't know the 5470.
#16
this is the acer i returned id avoid , and also maybe many other acers have same dvd drive .
acer 5741g
http://www.comet.co.uk/shopcomet/product/630748/ACER-AS5741G

also i will never shop in comet ever again they are rude and unhelpfull .
#17
jukie
i dont even know what an audio enhanced cd is!!! so I guess I wont be using themThe laptop is for a xmas pressie and just wondered if I was getting the best laptop for my cash only really wanted to spend £350 but saw the above and thought it looked good with the i3 processor

an enhanced audio cd has extras built in it also is copyright protected and most new cds out there will now be those .

also the i3 is a budget cpu and isnt as good as i would of hoped the amd n620 2.8ghz beats the i3 330m hands down , intel are very clever in marketing and dont always beleive all the hype . been an IT engineer for 17 years now so i know a thing or two when it comes too hardware .


a few of my linkin park cds are enhanced .

if its a xmas prezzie for a youngster / teen then they will be using all sorts of audio cds and will be a bit miffed if they cant use em on there new lappy.

Edited By: vitaminjayz on Nov 07, 2010 11:28: .
#18
Platyboy
Jukie - I think you have quoted the wrong Acer code. Don't know the 5470.

Whoops should have read 5740
#19
i found this websiter very handy when choosing my laptop.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/
#20
vitaminjayz
this is the acer i returned id avoid , and also maybe many other acers have same dvd drive .acer 5741ghttp://www.comet.co.uk/shopcomet/product/630748/ACER-AS5741Galso i will never shop in comet ever again they are rude and unhelpfull .

Similar spec to the one I have bought, but couldnt that ahve been a one off, yours not reading discs
#21
it cant be a one off if comets display one did the same .


it points to a manufacturing problem.
1 Like #22
vitaminjayz
also the i3 is a budget cpu and isnt as good as i would of hoped
the amd n620 2.8ghz beats the i3 330m hands down , intel are very clever in marketing and dont always beleive all the hype .
been an IT engineer for 17 years now so i know a thing or two when it comes too hardware

Did you really write that?

AMD Phenom II N620 Dual-Core - Passmark CPU Score = 1803 (Higher is better)
Intel Core i3 330M @ 2.13GHz - Passmark CPU Score =1963

Of course day to day performance may differ, but for CPU intensive work (like video encoding) the i3 330m is almost 10% faster.


Edited By: jazid on Nov 07, 2010 11:45: .
#23
in the real world the amd seemed faster than the lower end i3 , you cant go by benchmarks , that are sometimes geared towards intel or some times in gfx terms nvidia .


trust me i used to build review pcs for magazines like pc pro ,computer shopper ,custom pc, and zdnet .


i take benchmarks with pinch of salt .
#24
it also comes down to your use , i wanted something that could play some of my older games . and a good price .


if you dont play any games there are some good laptops out there with the intel i5 cpu which is much better ,but cos they have built in gfx they are alot cheaper than say one with and ati or nvidia gfx card .


its horses for courses and if you like me need a dedicated gfx card at a price i can afford then there will be compromise in other places , like the cpu .


i looked at and i5 with gfx card and they was near £600 to £800 . which is way over my £550 budget .


Edited By: vitaminjayz on Nov 07, 2010 11:51: .
#25
Thanks for all the replys but I only wanted to spend £350, I think the one I have bought is a good buy for £380. I dont want to spend £500 plus.

I guess I should have asked can I get a better spec laptop for £380 than the one I have bought
#26
heres one got shared gfx but an i5 cpu for less than £500.

http://www.eclipsecomputers.com/product.aspx?code=NBA-AS5745051&af=50
#27
jukie
Thanks for all the replys but I only wanted to spend £350, I think the one I have bought is a good buy for £380. I dont want to spend £500 plus.I guess I should have asked can I get a better spec laptop for £380 than the one I have bought

as ive said it all comes down too the what type of use and budget at the end of the day .

im just now put off acer , my 2 year old acer within a month of recieving it had to have the dvd drive replaced and was sent away for a week , and now the new one i sent back to comet also having a drive problem .

i can see a pattern .

wont buy another acer .
#28
theres plenty of cheap laptops out there , but you need to look what you want to use it for .

http://search.laptopsdirect.co.uk/nav/pb/01/pb/02/type/laptops/0?&isort=price
#29
PhilK
I gather some mobos allow you to activate the 4th core (3 cores are just 4 core cpu's with one deactivated, I read somewhere)Mind - if I was buying a laptop, I agree with the feller above. I'd be buying an i3 for not very much more.

yeah its a truly great marketing ploy by AMD which does not waste stock, as producing quad core processors leads to quite a high failure rate in at least one of the cores a defunct core on a quad core is deactivated and rebranded as an entirely seperate triple core processor lol, there basically dodgy quad cores
#30
garrrrrbled audio is a known problem with some pcs/laptops with win 7.
but it is easily fixed. google it.
#31
CPU comparison from

PASSMARK
AMD Athlon II X2 220 1,673
Intel Core2 Duo P9600 @ 2.53GHz 1,672
AMD Phenom II P820 Triple-Core 1,667
Intel Celeron E3300 @ 2.50GHz 1,660 $50.99*
Pentium Dual-Core E5200 @ 2.50GHz 1,658
Intel Core2 Duo E8135 @ 2.40GHz 1,656

WINDOWS 7 Experience
Athlon II P320 2x 2.1GHz -5%
Athlon II M320 2x 2.1GHz -5%
Athlon II P340 2x 2.2GHz -1%
Phenom II X3 P820
Pentium Dual Core T4300 2x 2.1GHz 0%
Pentium P6000 2x 1.9GHz 1%
Core 2 Duo T6670 2x 2.2GHz 5%
Core 2 Duo T6600 2x 2.2GHz 6%
Core 2 Duo SP9300 2x 2.3GHz 7%

COCO
#32
vitaminjayz
if its a xmas prezzie for a youngster / teen then they will be using all sorts of audio cds and will be a bit miffed if they cant use em on there new lappy.

Daddy, what’s a CD?
#33
sunray001
garrrrrbled audio is a known problem with some pcs/laptops with win 7.but it is easily fixed. google it.

ive had windows 7 on my big pc (now sold) and never had a problem with audio ever .

but if you google some people had same problem on xp (however it works 1st time on my new hp laptop ,windows 7)




Edited By: vitaminjayz on Nov 07, 2010 14:44: .
#34
Agharta
vitaminjayz
if its a xmas prezzie for a youngster / teen then they will be using all sorts of audio cds and will be a bit miffed if they cant use em on there new lappy.
Daddy, what’s a CD?

dont you mean the oaps say whats a cd lol , cant i put my lp in the drive


he he
#35
vitaminjayz
theres plenty of cheap laptops out there , but you need to look what you want to use it for .


http://search.laptopsdirect.co.uk/nav/pb/01/pb/02/type/laptops/0?&isort=price


Absolute common sense.
#36
Believe me, benchmarks only tell part of the story. As an IT engineer and reseller, the majority of users who use MS Office and browse the internet are real winners when it comes to AMD. In day to day computing these things are super quick compared to the equivalent priced Intel. It does not matter how 'techinally better' they are, the end user, Joe Public for the most part does not care (speaking from experience). I used to build AMD machines for years and they were so much quicker than Intel until the Core 2 Duo's came out. Intel were always better than AMD in laptops due to their lower running temperatures with lower micron technology and AMD lost their way on both fronts, but they're back and for the money, they are better on desktops and at least as good on laptops. Great deal.

Edited By: paulace on Nov 07, 2010 21:26: .
#37
Mm, I am lost.. so some advice please. What laptop would you reccomend for £300ish (up to £350 if required), mostly for Word, Powerpoint, some PhotoShop, watching some h264 films and I guess there is a possibility one day for minor video editing...

And it needs to be well built and long lasting. And even better if a higher res than that perculiar 1366 x 768 resolution.

Perhaps I want too much ;o)

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