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Muddyfox Raze650 MTB £150.00 Was £499.99 Low Stock, Free UK Delivery : On all orders over £100 @ SportsDirect

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The first 650b mountain bike by Muddyfox! Conquer the climbs with ease on the Muddyfox Raze650 mountain bike thanks to the large 650b wheels which cover more distance in a full rotation than a standar… Read More
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The first 650b mountain bike by Muddyfox! Conquer the climbs with ease on the Muddyfox Raze650 mountain bike thanks to the large 650b wheels which cover more distance in a full rotation than a standard 26-inch wheel! Features include a lightweight alloy frame, Suntour XCT front suspension forks, 24 speed Shimano Acera gearing and Tektro Novela Mechanical Disc brakes.

Muddyfox Raze650 Tech Spec

> Lightweight Alloy Hardtail Frame
> Suntour XCT Suspension Forks with 100mm Travel, Mechanical Lock-Out and Adjustable Pre-Load.
> 24 Speed Shimano Acera Gears with Shimano Acera Rapid-fire Shifters
> Front & Rear Tektro Novela Mechanical Disc Brakes
> 650b Quick Release Alloy Wheels
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3 Likes #1
Anyone who ever paid £499 for this thing should be committed.
1 Like #2
£499 would be insane but £150 is a good price for this bike. Personally, I'd go second-hand every time on this budget.
1 Like #3
Nice spec for £150 tho with the disc brakes and would make a decent little bike for bashing around on even tho I don't think I could daily commute on it.
Tempted to go and have a look at one myself. later
#4
Probably a good buy for teenagers to wreck.
#5
****
#6
great price, paid £499 a couple of weeks ago
#7
Do they think they have revoked the laws of physics? More distance covered per rotation still requires the same effort. Either they are fools or they think we are.
#8
Decent price for the spec.
#9
mechanical disc brakes... cold from me needs to be hydraulic
#10
Looks a good price for tektro disks Acera gears and XCT forks. As the computer nerds say, you couldn't build it for that. Have ordered the 18" version, and supposed to get 7% cashback with quidco, which would take it to about £140. Will see how it is when I get it.
#11
sjm198333
mechanical disc brakes... cold from me needs to be hydraulic
In my experience cheap hydraulics are more hassle than they are worth, better stopping power, but often rub, and can't be backed off simply like mechanical disks. These brakes would be fine for normal trail riding, I wouldn't advise spending £150 on a bike and getting into serious downhill. If there is a bike for under double this with Hydraulic disks it'd be a bargain.
#12
another sports direct own brand product, they make the price up with false savings, people fall for it though
#13
Actually decent spec for little money... & I'm a bike snob :P

The same spec Carrera will cost you double.

Go put it into perspective. My old 29er was £700 & used acera although 27 speed , used Hayes hydraulic brakes & paying out the nose for the name.
#14
Oh & yes it should be easier to ride, although not exactly noticeable, the larger wheel makes it roll with less resistance. Most noticeable on climbs on uneven surfaces.
#15
Like everything you will get what you pay for ....if you get decent gears, brakes, hubs, wheels & forks then the frame will be absolute crap
#16
corred1964
Like everything you will get what you pay for ....if you get decent gears, brakes, hubs, wheels & forks then the frame will be absolute crap
In what way? Out of alignment, heavy or what? Do you have the bike? Reviewer who bought it says about 14.5 Kg, which seems reasonable. BTW, quidco cashback tracked at £10.50, so delivered price less than £140.
#17
Last Few Left
#18
Every bit of it is garbage. £499 lol.

If you want a decent but cheap bike, but a second hand one, look through the sales for 60%+ off or buy an Edinburgh bikes or halfords voodoo home brand.


You may pay a little more, but it won't put you off cycling, and will be upgradeable.


Rim brakes are cheaper & better than mechanical disc, if you can't afford hydraulic.
#19
Rim brakes better than mechanical disk...

U wot m8?

Do you actually know anything about bikes?
#20
nick9
Every bit of it is garbage. £499 lol.
If you want a decent but cheap bike, but a second hand one, look through the sales for 60%+ off or buy an Edinburgh bikes or halfords voodoo home brand.
You may pay a little more, but it won't put you off cycling, and will be upgradeable.
Rim brakes are cheaper & better than mechanical disc, if you can't afford hydraulic.
Yes, the original price is ridicuolus. But £150 not bad for it.
#21
nick9
Every bit of it is garbage. £499 lol.

If you want a decent but cheap bike, but a second hand one, look through the sales for 60%+ off or buy an Edinburgh bikes or halfords voodoo home brand.


You may pay a little more, but it won't put you off cycling, and will be upgradeable.


Rim brakes are cheaper & better than mechanical disc, if you can't afford hydraulic.
Tektro novela are far better than rim brakes. Especially in the wet. In what way Acera, suntour xct forks and tektro brakes are garbage I have no idea. This is the basic Edinburgh bike coop model
http://www.edinburghbicycle.com/products/revolution-ascent-xc-disc-14?bct=browse%2fbicycles%2fmountain-bikes and it is £100 more expensive, and every component is lower specced than this bike. I'm no fan of SD, but this is cheap for what you get.
#22
clemf
corred1964
Like everything you will get what you pay for ....if you get decent gears, brakes, hubs, wheels & forks then the frame will be absolute crap
In what way? Out of alignment, heavy or what? Do you have the bike? Reviewer who bought it says about 14.5 Kg, which seems reasonable. BTW, quidco cashback tracked at £10.50, so delivered price less than £140.

It may be fine for commuting & a few green lanes but try on anything slightly challenging & you will soon find the failings of the cheap frame.....maybe even failure of......reviewer said the box days 17.5kg & rates as 3/5 but may drop to 2/5 ..... knowing people who have bought Muddyfox from SD I bet the 2/5 will be the accurate rating


Edited By: corred1964 on Jan 04, 2015 16:46
#23
corred1964
clemf
corred1964
Like everything you will get what you pay for ....if you get decent gears, brakes, hubs, wheels & forks then the frame will be absolute crap
In what way? Out of alignment, heavy or what? Do you have the bike? Reviewer who bought it says about 14.5 Kg, which seems reasonable. BTW, quidco cashback tracked at £10.50, so delivered price less than £140.

It may be fine for commuting & a few green lanes but try on anything slightly challenging & you will soon find the failings of the cheap frame.....maybe even failure of......reviewer said the box days 17.5kg & rates as 3/5 but may drop to 2/5 ..... knowing people who have bought Muddyfox from SD I bet the 2/5 will be the accurate rating

I'll take my chances with frame failure - these cheap frames are all made in the same places. I've had a number of cheap frames and never had one fail yet. "But its not too heavy to be honest, and I am not the fittest of bikers." from that review. I'll weigh it when I get it. It'll be fine on forest trails and the like. If you're into downhill, I would look elsewhere.
#24
clemf
corred1964
clemf
corred1964
Like everything you will get what you pay for ....if you get decent gears, brakes, hubs, wheels & forks then the frame will be absolute crap
In what way? Out of alignment, heavy or what? Do you have the bike? Reviewer who bought it says about 14.5 Kg, which seems reasonable. BTW, quidco cashback tracked at £10.50, so delivered price less than £140.

It may be fine for commuting & a few green lanes but try on anything slightly challenging & you will soon find the failings of the cheap frame.....maybe even failure of......reviewer said the box days 17.5kg & rates as 3/5 but may drop to 2/5 ..... knowing people who have bought Muddyfox from SD I bet the 2/5 will be the accurate rating

I'll take my chances with frame failure - these cheap frames are all made in the same places..

Made where and by whom ? and then there are the tech specs of the materials used (what grade alloys etc) There is a reason that higher end bikes cost more...and a lot of that cost is proper frame material and construction.

I've know 6 cheap budget end frames fail with use, and one guy was unlucky enough to loose a mouthfull of teeth when his headstock welds split.

In all likelyhood though, these bikes will be bought, ridden a handful of times and either left in the garage or replaced with a higher quality product as it'll be too **** to use in the way it is intended for.
#25
JohnnyChimpo
clemf
corred1964
clemf
corred1964
Like everything you will get what you pay for ....if you get decent gears, brakes, hubs, wheels & forks then the frame will be absolute crap
In what way? Out of alignment, heavy or what? Do you have the bike? Reviewer who bought it says about 14.5 Kg, which seems reasonable. BTW, quidco cashback tracked at £10.50, so delivered price less than £140.

It may be fine for commuting & a few green lanes but try on anything slightly challenging & you will soon find the failings of the cheap frame.....maybe even failure of......reviewer said the box days 17.5kg & rates as 3/5 but may drop to 2/5 ..... knowing people who have bought Muddyfox from SD I bet the 2/5 will be the accurate rating

I'll take my chances with frame failure - these cheap frames are all made in the same places..

Made where and by whom ? and then there are the tech specs of the materials used (what grade alloys etc) There is a reason that higher end bikes cost more...and a lot of that cost is proper frame material and construction.

I've know 6 cheap budget end frames fail with use, and one guy was unlucky enough to loose a mouthfull of teeth when his headstock welds split.

In all likelyhood though, these bikes will be bought, ridden a handful of times and either left in the garage or replaced with a higher quality product as it'll be too **** to use in the way it is intended for.
If you want a high end frame you'll have to buy a high end bike, and pay a lot more than £150. I would say this is intended for trail and road riding, and will probably be fine for that. If you're breaking the headstock welds, then you're pushing a £150 bike too hard.
#26
clemf
JohnnyChimpo
clemf
corred1964
clemf
corred1964
Like everything you will get what you pay for ....if you get decent gears, brakes, hubs, wheels & forks then the frame will be absolute crap
In what way? Out of alignment, heavy or what? Do you have the bike? Reviewer who bought it says about 14.5 Kg, which seems reasonable. BTW, quidco cashback tracked at £10.50, so delivered price less than £140.

It may be fine for commuting & a few green lanes but try on anything slightly challenging & you will soon find the failings of the cheap frame.....maybe even failure of......reviewer said the box days 17.5kg & rates as 3/5 but may drop to 2/5 ..... knowing people who have bought Muddyfox from SD I bet the 2/5 will be the accurate rating

I'll take my chances with frame failure - these cheap frames are all made in the same places..

Made where and by whom ? and then there are the tech specs of the materials used (what grade alloys etc) There is a reason that higher end bikes cost more...and a lot of that cost is proper frame material and construction.

I've know 6 cheap budget end frames fail with use, and one guy was unlucky enough to loose a mouthfull of teeth when his headstock welds split.

In all likelyhood though, these bikes will be bought, ridden a handful of times and either left in the garage or replaced with a higher quality product as it'll be too **** to use in the way it is intended for.
If you want a high end frame you'll have to buy a high end bike, and pay a lot more than £150. I would say this is intended for trail and road riding, and will probably be fine for that. If you're breaking the headstock welds, then you're pushing a £150 bike too hard.

I'd personally prefer to pay £150-200 for a decent second hand bike than £150 on one of these

Edited By: corred1964 on Jan 04, 2015 21:00
#27
Personally if I was concerned about the frame strength I'd be wary of second hand. Average life expectancy of 4-6 years for an alloy frame. Unless it's a very new second hand of course. Also unless you know the person who's selling it, it might be hard to know the wear of the drive train components - even a newish bike may have covered a lot of miles, and be up for cassette, chain or even hub replacement. This is especially true of mountain bikes, as they can have had some pretty rough treatment. Brake calipers and disks are another area you have to be careful about. Where I am the only way to get a decent low mileage bike second hand is to take a chance on one that looks likely to be stolen.
#28
clemf
Personally if I was concerned about the frame strength I'd be wary of second hand. Average life expectancy of 4-6 years for an alloy frame. Unless it's a very new second hand of course. Also unless you know the person who's selling it, it might be hard to know the wear of the drive train components - even a newish bike may have covered a lot of miles, and be up for cassette, chain or even hub replacement. This is especially true of mountain bikes, as they can have had some pretty rough treatment. Brake calipers and disks are another area you have to be careful about. Where I am the only way to get a decent low mileage bike second hand is to take a chance on one that looks likely to be stolen.

So a decent used second hand bike (a couple of years old) will probably last 3 years longer than the Muddyfox & be capable of rougher terrain
#29
clemf
Personally if I was concerned about the frame strength I'd be wary of second hand. Average life expectancy of 4-6 years for an alloy frame. Unless it's a very new second hand of course. Also unless you know the person who's selling it, it might be hard to know the wear of the drive train components - even a newish bike may have covered a lot of miles, and be up for cassette, chain or even hub replacement. This is especially true of mountain bikes, as they can have had some pretty rough treatment. Brake calipers and disks are another area you have to be careful about. Where I am the only way to get a decent low mileage bike second hand is to take a chance on one that looks likely to be stolen.

As per you own link to co op checking spec on Edinburgh gives a much clearer view of what you are getting - this one is more like a black bin bag auction (i.e. who will pay me for what in this black bin bag not going to tell you what is inside it) which is precisely what is being pointed above - then there is the geometry etc - have you been and tested it? - and you state you keep buying these - somethings not adding up!! Could you also supply where the 5-6 years failure rate on alloy frames come from?

Also can't help pointing the pot kettle black but the nerd in me knows Disk is a computer term - in mechanical terms its disc unlike as you have used above.
#30
Alloy fame lifespans:
http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/bike-made/
http://www.whycycle.co.uk/buying-a-bike/bike-jargon-buster/bike-frame-materials/

there are more if you want to look.

No, haven't tested the bike, but imagine the critics of the frame haven't either. It's a £150 bike with well over £200 worth of worth of components just in the groupset, forks and brakes at retail prices.

Sorry if disk typo offended you.
#31
clemf
Alloy fame lifespans:
http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/bike-made/
http://www.whycycle.co.uk/buying-a-bike/bike-jargon-buster/bike-frame-materials/

there are more if you want to look.

No, haven't tested the bike, but imagine the critics of the frame haven't either. It's a £150 bike with well over £200 worth of worth of components just in the groupset, forks and brakes at retail prices.

Sorry if disk typo offended you.
Yes are plenty more if you look - specifically think of those used in other devices from car, planes etc - the 5 to 6 year is in the main obviously a bit of nonsense - there is fatigue albeit the quotes seem to be in the realms of a significantly greater magnitude than you have quoted - instead of hear say please supply white papers showing and backing up your 5 to 6 years

Cannondale had a reputation known as crack and fail for a while as they were cutting it so fine to the edge of the tolerances that for a period they often did (and there is a white paper for this) - albeit for the original owner offered lifetime replacement - recently they are not known to be failing quite so often (ask any reseller)
Then look at decathlon that offer a lifetime frame warranty on all aluminium and steel frames (but not carbon that does not suffer the fatigue you are talking about)!!!
#32
So you think the frame on the bike in this thread is, or is not likely to suffer from failure? Sorry, not sure what a white paper is.

Edited By: clemf on Jan 05, 2015 10:48: typos
#33
clemf
So you think the bike in this frame is, or is not likely to suffer from failure?
with no spec details and not having checked it out to reassure yourself you seem best asking mystic meg
#34
So going to look at the frame, or having spec details will let me know if it will fail at some stage in the future?
#35
clemf
So going to look at the frame, or having spec details will let me know if it will fail at some stage in the future?
Knowing the specification of the materials used in its construction will help you assess the quality of the product
the fact they list a few key components and then completely draw a blank on any other detail would have me wanting to check it further.
Muddyfox is not the brand they were - the previous 2011 model got a ok review when heavily discounted (ok not good even at low price with comments like it may go roughly in the direction you point it)
You supply a link to Edinburgh cycles for something you want to compare to - but that contains all that detail on what you are buying that this one doesn't.
No guess work - it shouts on the components that have taken to interest you but is so quiet on all the others components which in itself speaks volumes - but because its cheap you want to buy this along side the multiple other cheap bikes you keep buying ! - I don't get that.
Then you are saying buying quality second hand kit is a bad idea whilst talking out of your rear end.
This bike is cheap, it has a few recognised budget entry level components on it - it has a lot more unknowns which you are attempting to defend through that crystal ball of yours. This bike I would not buy - If budgeting around this I would rather spend more on something of better quality second hand that has lost most of its value, can more than likely physically check its geometry in most bike shops and have been recently serviced - quite happy to change a chain or cassette as required.


Edited By: Bertz99 on Jan 05, 2015 11:33: additional
#36
Bertz99
clemf
So going to look at the frame, or having spec details will let me know if it will fail at some stage in the future?

Then you are saying buying quality second hand kit is a bad idea whilst talking out of your rear end.


Thanks for the insult. product OOS now, so conversation over.

Edited By: clemf on Jan 05, 2015 11:42
#37
I've just bought a Muddy fox Raze 18inch, and it looks lovely.
It is a bit heavy but well made.
I was drawn by the fact it has pretty decent gears, suspension, brakes!
Try finding all that spec for the price! I've looked at a lot of bikes with this spec, from Diamond Back to Specialized, and your talking £300+.
It may not be worth £500, but at £150 it's a bit of a bargain I'd say.
E bay and Amazon were selling the bike at £250 and they sold out in days.

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