Netgear R7000 Nighthawk AC1900 Dual Band WiFi Gigabit Router £137 @ Amazon.de - HotUKDeals
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Rated as the number 1 router on the planet, currently £180+ in this country..

great saving from the Germans.... when you get it just flash it to the latest FW downloaded from Netgear

Obviously there is no customs to pay. Just for comparison on how good a price this is, BT's latest homehub 5 is £120, and this make that router look like a joke

•Accelerate your network and enjoy the fastest WiFi currently available
•High-powered amplifiers, external antennas and Beamforming+ improve range and reliability for up to 100% more wireless coverage
•Downstream and upstream QoS prioritise streaming and gaming, creating a blazing-fast, lag-free WiFi experience

+++++
Smelting price!

Here is the Correct user spec PDF for this model!

http://www.downloads.netgear.com/files/GDC/R7000/R7000_DS_vB_22Nov13.pdf

Simply change the aerials[optional], load the later firmware and Bam!
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Here's an excellent article comparing the two: http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-reviews/32325-ac1900-router-wireless-retest

The netgear has a slightly better processor, however ASUS has a stronger reputation for developing and improving their products beyond initial launch, and as the retests show, the ASUS now comes out slightly on top using the latest firmware.

If you have either product, you are not going to see a discernible difference from switching, both are essentially based on very similar hardware.

Two common myths:

1) Setting higher transmit power = better coverage - this is wrong, as the router will be able to reach your device at long distances, but unless your device has similarly power to transmit back, you will experience signal dropouts even if you show full signal strength.

In simple terms, the router can shout very loudly and your device can hear well, but can't shout back loudly enough.

2) You will be able to connect at 1900mbps using most devices. In reality, the only devices that can connect at 1900 is a very high power and expensive wireless adapter (like the ASUS PCE-AC68) or another of the same router when connected in wireless bridge mode. In reality most smartphones, tablets have a single wireless radio unlike the 6 radios of this router. Therefore when using 802.11n you will see 200mbps MAX, and 450mbps when using 802.11ac.

In simple terms, this is like buying a Ferrari that you never take out past the driveway.

http://www.smallnetbuilder.com is an excellent resource for further information.

Personally, I went for the lower spec Asus RT-AC56U which uses much the same technology as the ASUS RT-AC68U at a lower price. Given I can't upgrade the wireless radio on my iPhone, Android, tablet and have not plans to buy an expensive external adapter for my laptop, I felt this was an excellent choice. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-RT-AC56U-Wireless-Broadband-Router/dp/B00DYT2MPK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1392386317&sr=8-1&keywords=asus-rt-ac56u






Edited By: kamaran on Feb 18, 2014 08:35: error correction
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https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4542871296/h90B205A4/

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http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/customs/post/buying.htm

VAT exempt, Very nice

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All other goods

If you're ordering or sending purchased goods (other than alcohol and tobacco) to the UK from another EU country then it's just like shopping in the UK:

there is no Customs Duty payable
there is no import VAT payable, unless you're ordering or sending purchased goods from one of the EU 'Special Territories' and if the value of the goods is £15 or more, however from 1 April 2012 all merchandise sent to the UK from the Channel Islands is subject to VAT - see below
there is no Excise Duty to pay

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EU 'Special Territories'

The EU 'Special Territories' are The Aland Islands (Finland), The Canary Islands (Spain), The Channel Islands (UK)*, The French Overseas Departments of Guadeloupe, French Guiana, Martinique and Reunion and Mount Athos also known as Agion Poros (Greece).
#2
What sort of wifi dongle/adaptor could make the most of this?
#3
jb66
What sort of wifi dongle/adaptor could make the most of this?


Anything that supports AC.
6 Likes #4
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4542871296/h90B205A4/
[helper]#5
>>>>>
+HOT on price by a mile!
>>>>>

2 of these, an ac extender in the middle and / or 3 x 11db aerials and there is nothing faster available or with less streaming / ping drop outs on the market!

Remember, this is a dsl router only.. so you need to plug your home/office dsl connection into it...

Here is an old video [tech has moved on in 6 months!] of the R7000, very extensive and VERY useful :{

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjHwf1_B_c4

This is a brilliant way to keep your network on 1.3gb 5Hz AC private and let everyone else / the dorm / the bed and breakfast / the hotel guests / friends down the road... on a very fast 2.4Hz N wifi!
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Wonder if will be as crap as pretty much every other router Netgear have made since the DG834g?

Edited By: rbz5416 on Feb 13, 2014 14:02
#7
Sycric
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/customs/post/buying.htm

VAT exempt, Very nice

---------------

All other goods

If you're ordering or sending purchased goods (other than alcohol and tobacco) to the UK from another EU country then it's just like shopping in the UK:

there is no Customs Duty payable
there is no import VAT payable, unless you're ordering or sending purchased goods from one of the EU 'Special Territories' and if the value of the goods is £15 or more, however from 1 April 2012 all merchandise sent to the UK from the Channel Islands is subject to VAT - see below
there is no Excise Duty to pay

--------------
EU 'Special Territories'

The EU 'Special Territories' are The Aland Islands (Finland), The Canary Islands (Spain), The Channel Islands (UK)*, The French Overseas Departments of Guadeloupe, French Guiana, Martinique and Reunion and Mount Athos also known as Agion Poros (Greece).

You're right that you can just buy a product cheaper in the EU (apart from drink & smokes) and ship it in with no HMRC interference, but it isn't technically VAT free as the German price is still "inkl. MwSt." (German VAT - 19%)
So you don't pay UK VAT, as you already paid VAT on it elsewhere in the EU.

Not trying to flame/beat up on you, just a technical FYI :p
#8
rbz5416
Wonder if will be as crap as pretty much every other router Netgear have made since the DG834g?

I still have one of those :) as a back up...best router ever made
#9
Just to be extra pedantic....

Actually, Amazon.de would have to charge 20% surely? They should do enough business to not be able to get away with it, that is? I know sending stuff to Ireland from Amazon.co.uk means ~3% more (1 / 1.20 * 1.23), so this should be 1 / 1.19 * 1.20 = 1.0084~. Course you'd only notice that if you were paying in Euro.

Yep, just checked: if you put in the basket and select a UK address it goes up from €161.00 to €162.35.

Edited By: kgrings on Feb 13, 2014 16:01
#10
pigeon84
Sycric
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/customs/post/buying.htm

VAT exempt, Very nice

---------------

All other goods

If you're ordering or sending purchased goods (other than alcohol and tobacco) to the UK from another EU country then it's just like shopping in the UK:

there is no Customs Duty payable
there is no import VAT payable, unless you're ordering or sending purchased goods from one of the EU 'Special Territories' and if the value of the goods is £15 or more, however from 1 April 2012 all merchandise sent to the UK from the Channel Islands is subject to VAT - see below
there is no Excise Duty to pay

--------------
EU 'Special Territories'

The EU 'Special Territories' are The Aland Islands (Finland), The Canary Islands (Spain), The Channel Islands (UK)*, The French Overseas Departments of Guadeloupe, French Guiana, Martinique and Reunion and Mount Athos also known as Agion Poros (Greece).

You're right that you can just buy a product cheaper in the EU (apart from drink & smokes) and ship it in with no HMRC interference, but it isn't technically VAT free as the German price is still "inkl. MwSt." (German VAT - 19%)
So you don't pay UK VAT, as you already paid VAT on it elsewhere in the EU.

Not trying to flame/beat up on you, just a technical FYI :p

What I was just about to point out, until I saw your post!
#11
Thanks, bought one.
#12
Been looking at the Asus RT-AC68U recently, other than the literal spec for spec comparison does anyone have any thoughts or advice on how these compare?
banned#13
Thanks....!:p
#14
meglaman2000
Been looking at the Asus RT-AC68U recently, other than the literal spec for spec comparison does anyone have any thoughts or advice on how these compare?

Same here... :P
1 Like #15
ah_heng
meglaman2000
Been looking at the Asus RT-AC68U recently, other than the literal spec for spec comparison does anyone have any thoughts or advice on how these compare?

Same here... :P

There are a few "vs" reviews on the net if you google them, in these the Asus comes out on top, but only just. There is a deal on here for the Asus (again a Germany import) as well if you look.
#16
meglaman2000
Been looking at the Asus RT-AC68U recently, other than the literal spec for spec comparison does anyone have any thoughts or advice on how these compare?

I have that router right here right now, and I am sending it back to replace with this Nighthawk....

I find it unimpressive and performs no better than the Asus dark knight it replaced.....in fact the 5GHZ wireless signal is a joke

Edited By: Aeschylus on Feb 14, 2014 09:58
#17
Best? Better than AC68U?
#18
meglaman2000
ah_heng
meglaman2000
Been looking at the Asus RT-AC68U recently, other than the literal spec for spec comparison does anyone have any thoughts or advice on how these compare?

Same here... :P

There are a few "vs" reviews on the net if you google them, in these the Asus comes out on top, but only just. There is a deal on here for the Asus (again a Germany import) as well if you look.

I posted that as well :) I bought that one, getting sent back for the Nighthawk...

all those reviews do not use the latest Netgear FW which is in Beta at the moment, users are saying the Nighthawk is amazing with this beta FW
#19
tempting.... I need to replace the two units plusnest sent me as part of there high speed unlimited broadband package and was recommended a dark knight router to unleash it's full potential.
I'm guessing this is an equivalent or even better option?
#20
Aeschylus
meglaman2000
ah_heng
meglaman2000
Been looking at the Asus RT-AC68U recently, other than the literal spec for spec comparison does anyone have any thoughts or advice on how these compare?

Same here... :P

There are a few "vs" reviews on the net if you google them, in these the Asus comes out on top, but only just. There is a deal on here for the Asus (again a Germany import) as well if you look.

I posted that as well :) I bought that one, getting sent back for the Nighthawk...

all those reviews do not use the latest Netgear FW which is in Beta at the moment, users are saying the Nighthawk is amazing with this beta FW

Thanks Aeschylus. Just to confirm, you were saying that the Nighthawk is better than the ASUS? And the 5Ghz on ASUS is no good?

Thanks.
#21
Are you sending back to Germany 0_0 ?

What is with these router names? Nighthawk? Dark Knight!? haha
#22
lutherinlondon
tempting.... I need to replace the two units plusnest sent me as part of there high speed unlimited broadband package and was recommended a dark knight router to unleash it's full potential.
I'm guessing this is an equivalent or even better option?

if I am honest, I sold my Dark Knight for the latest Asus one, and I regretted it, I have now ordered this Nighthawk....

you can pick a dark knight up second hand for about £70 and would recommend that whole heartedly, however if you are flush and want the latest get this Nighthawk

Edited By: Aeschylus on Feb 14, 2014 10:09
#23
meglaman2000
Are you sending back to Germany 0_0 ?

What is with these router names? Nighthawk? Dark Knight!? haha

yes, cost me £12.50, trust me it was going back
#24
Aeschylus


if I am honest, I sold my Dark Knight for the latest Asus one, and I regretted it, I have know ordered this Nighthawk....

you can pick a dark knight up second hand for about £70 and would recommend that whole heartedly, however if you are flush and want the latest get this Nighthawk


thanks
#25
Can I ask a noob question ;) This one says it has VPN support. Does this means I can set this up with VPN access and let's say I am in FRANCE I can tunnel in to this router and run my internet access as if I am in the UK?

Thanks ;)
1 Like #26
Just realised the Netgear doesn't have the dual USB ports of the Asus. One of my usage scenarios would have been networked storage and 3/4G wifi dongle attached to router which the two USB ports were ideal for.
#27
Slight unfair comparison with the HH5 as this does not include a built-in VDSL/ADSL modem and there is no modem only option on the HH5 like the Virgin SuperHub.

But yes if you wanted rid of an earlier HH and still wanted to use the Openreach Modem its a great router.

Edited By: Starman on Feb 14, 2014 10:29
#28
I use a draytek 2830 at the momnet how does this compare to this one?
#29
Starman
Slight unfair comparison with the HH5 as this does not include a built-in VDSL/ADSL modem and there is no modem only option on the HH5 like the Virgin SuperHub.

But yes if you wanted rid of an earlier HH and still wanted to use the Openreach Modem its a great router.

The home hub 5 actually reviews very well, my point was based largely on the fact they are almost identical in price, so as such one would be foolish to buy a HH5 over this, and if you were upgrading to a HH5 you would already have the VDSL modem from openreach
banned#30
rbz5416
Wonder if will be as crap as pretty much every other router Netgear have made since the DG834g?

It's probably the worst and will conveniently brick itself the day the warranty runs out.

I've had literally millions of NETGEAR routers, and they have all bricked themselves and have been cack.

ASUS 4EVA
#31
rbz5416
Wonder if will be as crap as pretty much every other router Netgear have made since the DG834g?

The DGN2200v3 or v4 isn't a bad replacement for a DG834G if you want something similar but with N speeds.
#32
ah_heng
Aeschylus
meglaman2000
ah_heng
meglaman2000
Been looking at the Asus RT-AC68U recently, other than the literal spec for spec comparison does anyone have any thoughts or advice on how these compare?

Same here... :P

There are a few "vs" reviews on the net if you google them, in these the Asus comes out on top, but only just. There is a deal on here for the Asus (again a Germany import) as well if you look.

I posted that as well :) I bought that one, getting sent back for the Nighthawk...

all those reviews do not use the latest Netgear FW which is in Beta at the moment, users are saying the Nighthawk is amazing with this beta FW

Thanks Aeschylus. Just to confirm, you were saying that the Nighthawk is better than the ASUS? And the 5Ghz on ASUS is no good?

Thanks.

oh god, no pressure.....

look at it this way, reviews are split, however having owned the dark knight I upgraded to the Asus AC68 and expected to be wowed, yet I noticed no difference...

so Nighthawk it is for me, but there will no doubt be people who would claim the Asus is a better bet
#33
Aeschylus
ah_heng
Aeschylus
meglaman2000
ah_heng
meglaman2000
Been looking at the Asus RT-AC68U recently, other than the literal spec for spec comparison does anyone have any thoughts or advice on how these compare?

Same here... :P

There are a few "vs" reviews on the net if you google them, in these the Asus comes out on top, but only just. There is a deal on here for the Asus (again a Germany import) as well if you look.

I posted that as well :) I bought that one, getting sent back for the Nighthawk...

all those reviews do not use the latest Netgear FW which is in Beta at the moment, users are saying the Nighthawk is amazing with this beta FW

Thanks Aeschylus. Just to confirm, you were saying that the Nighthawk is better than the ASUS? And the 5Ghz on ASUS is no good?

Thanks.

oh god, no pressure.....

look at it this way, reviews are split, however having owned the dark knight I upgraded to the Asus AC68 and expected to be wowed, yet I noticed no difference...

so Nighthawk it is for me, but there will no doubt be people who would claim the Asus is a better bet

Thank you sir!
#34
#35
Aeschylus
if you were upgrading to a HH5 you would already have the VDSL modem from openreach

If you were an existing customer yes but BT Infinity customers now only supply the HH5. Personally I got a HH5 for free as I was helping test the device but yes I wouldn't of purchased one by choice I would still be using my Billion 7800N and now looking into upgrading to a FRITZ!Box 7490 or something feature similar.
#36
stringsonfire

that will be a horrendous price £300+ I suspect
#37
BACONIZGUD4ME
rbz5416
Wonder if will be as crap as pretty much every other router Netgear have made since the DG834g?

It's probably the worst and will conveniently brick itself the day the warranty runs out.

I've had literally millions of NETGEAR routers, and they have all bricked themselves and have been cack.

ASUS 4EVA

Literally full of BS if anything. Though giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming millions, starts at 2 million plus 30 seconds diagnostics per router. You have spent 2 solid years testing them. Well done.

Please go crawl back under your Asus Fanboi rock. Asus are good but their thrown could be challenged, although certainly not by my Linksys EA6700, now that's a let down.
#38
How easy is the VPN to setup on this so you can access your home computers from work from a web console? Is the range between floors good? I live in a townhouse and get no signal at all on the ground floor.
#39
BACONIZGUD4ME
rbz5416
Wonder if will be as crap as pretty much every other router Netgear have made since the DG834g?

It's probably the worst and will conveniently brick itself the day the warranty runs out.

I've had literally millions of NETGEAR routers, and they have all bricked themselves and have been cack.

ASUS 4EVA

You have had 'literally millions of Netgear routers'. Guess teaching of grammar and numeracy in schools is not what it was :)

Edited By: Feeble on Feb 14, 2014 12:34: Tone
#40
Feeble
How easy is the VPN to setup on this so you can access your home computers from work from a web console? Is the range between floors good? I live in a townhouse and get no signal at all on the ground floor.

you can replace the aerial with 11DB ones that will flood your street let alone your house :)

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