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This really won't appeal to everyone but this book is supposed to be excellent and is usually around £10+ elsewhere (it's currently £10.38 on Play.com)

It's got excellent reviews and is recommended to anyone who is interested in life on the northern side of the Korean penninsula.

Review
`A most perceptive and eye-opening account of everyday life in North Korea' --Jung Chang

`I loved it - I couldn't pull myself away. This is the first book I've read which tells me about the inner lives of individual North Koreans' --Lindsey Hilsum, International Editor, Channel 4 News

'A rare and valuable insight ... Nothing to Envy is a searchlight shining on a country cloaked in darkness'
--Herald
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"Nothing to Envy" weaves together the stories of adversity and resilience of six residents of Chongin, North Korea's third largest city. Two lovers, who dated secretly for a decade, feared to criticise the regime to each other. A loyal factory worker watched her husband and son die of starvation before escaping the country. In telling the stories of Chongin's residents. she has recreated the lifestyles of North Korean citizens from their interests and concerns to their culture.

EDIT: This book has now won the BBC Samuel Johnson Non-fiction prize.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment_and_arts/10477175.stm

EDIT: Price was raised from £6 to £7.49 over the weekend but is probably still the cheapest anywhere.
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#1
Yes thats great...a Western 'insight' on something for your 'first' take on things which are happening in North Korea...highly impartial I bet :D
#2
qkhateeb
Yes thats great...a Western 'insight' on something for your 'first' take on things which are happening in North Korea...highly impartial I bet :D


As someone who comes from a Korean background and has actually been to the DPRK, I cannot begin to tell you how wrong you are there.
#3
qkhateeb
Yes thats great...a Western 'insight' on something for your 'first' take on things which are happening in North Korea...highly impartial I bet :D


Well, given that on ANY visit to North Korea, one has to be accompanied by a posse of government goons only allowing access to approved locations, I’d say that would probably tell you all you need to know.

Or do you cling to the same sort of romanticised ideal that led intellectuals back in the 30’s to somehow image Stalin’s Russia was a bastion of progressive communism?
#4
Nice, have some heat :)

Looks like an interesting read

My uncle fought in the Korean war with The Seaforth highlanders
#5
qkhateeb
Yes thats great...a Western 'insight' on something for your 'first' take on things which are happening in North Korea...highly impartial I bet :D



I think it is pretty well acknowledged by everyone aside from the North Korean leadership that it is a "failed state" imposing massive deprivation and worse on its citizenship for no other reason than it refuses to admit that its Stalinist ideals and its great leaders have failed. Personally I think it would be interesting to read about how all of this impacts on the lives of individuals in NK. Also I don't think the reviewers quoted in the blurb could be particulary criticized for imparitality or western bias. I wish the North Koreans were allowed to write and publish their own stories but until that happens then I welcome books like this.

Heat added.
#6
GeoffAngela
Well, given that on ANY visit to North Korea, one has to be accompanied by a posse of government goons only allowing access to approved locations, I’d say that would probably tell you all you need to know.

Or do you cling to the same sort of romanticised ideal that led intellectuals back in the 30’s to somehow image Stalin’s Russia was a bastion of progressive communism?


You can travel freely in 3 very small locations in the DPR, the Mount Kumgang resort (dependant upon time of visit), parts of the Kaesong industrial complex and in one particular Pyongyang hotel which is actually situated on an island and thus you can travel the grounds as you wish. Every other location outside the immediate confines of your hotel requires a guide and foreigners are strictly prohibited from having any sort of unauthorised relations with the locals beyond eye contact.

On my last visit there they scrupulously went through every photo on my girlfriend's camera and the spare memory card from her purse. They also gave me my iPhone back which they had confiscated on the way in, minus the case, and it was switched on even though I had handed it over powered off on my way into the country.
#7
skykid3
Nice, have some heat :)

Looks like an interesting read

My uncle fought in the Korean war with The Seaforth highlanders


There is a fantastic Korean war museum in Seoul which I would urge anyone to visit if they're ever in the country.

The Korean people were extremely grateful for the support given to them by the allied nations during the war and the museum was partially built as a mark of gratitude for their sacrifices.
#8
GeoffAngela


Or do you cling to the same sort of romanticised ideal that led intellectuals back in the 30’s to somehow image Stalin’s Russia was a bastion of progressive communism?


There is actually another book available on Amazon at the moment which further likens the North Korean ideology as being close to pre-war Japanese imperialism than being founded in any sort of Russian-inspired communism or Stalinism.

Going from what I know of Juche and Songun politics it sounds like quite an interesting argument but I haven't bought the book yet unfortunately as it's still a bit pricey. It could be one for my holiday later in the year though. :)
#9
Thanks for this post; I'll give it a try. I wish there were more posts regarding informative reads on this site.
#10
Wow, I never expected this to reach the front page, the community on this site really is fantastic. :)

Thebopple: I think people generally shy away from posting this sort of thing because they think it won't appeal to anybody but I'll post any deals like this that I come across again in future.
#11
Good price. Voted hot.
#12
Spark

Thebopple: I think people generally shy away from posting this sort of thing because they think it won't appeal to anybody but I'll post any deals like this that I come across again in future.


Please do - a deal's a deal, and this one is an interesting one! Nice post!
#13
I heard a journalist recently interviewing some people is Seoul, who were explaining that they support the North team when they were playing, in preference to their opponents. Seemed so much more mature than the small minded "Anyone But ...." etc we endure here at the moment. Looking forward to a good read, thanks.
#14
If this is the first book that you're reading about the DPR then I would also definitely recommend Aquariums of Pyongyang as well. You can get it really cheaply these days and it explains (often in quite graphic detail) some of the horrors which the Kim-dynasty have inflicted upon their own people.
#15
@spark Whilst not a hot deal, what do you think about this book (North of the Dmz: Essays on Daily Life in North Korea)?

http://www.amazon.com/North-Dmz-Essays-Daily-ebook/dp/B002TUTUO6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&m=A7B2F8DUJ88VZ&s=digital-text&qid=1277892238&sr=1-1
#16
liddlefeesh
@spark Whilst not a hot deal, what do you think about this book (North of the Dmz: Essays on Daily Life in North Korea)?

http://www.amazon.com/North-Dmz-Essays-Daily-ebook/dp/B002TUTUO6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&m=A7B2F8DUJ88VZ&s=digital-text&qid=1277892238&sr=1-1


I haven't read that personally, but I want to and it is supposedly fantastic.

I actually came very close to buying it Waterstones once but it was £24.99 and I couldn't really justify spending that on a book.

I would also definitely recommend This is Paradise by Hyok Kang and The Reluctant Communist which is about one of the 4 GI's who defected to Pyongyang after the Korean war and the kidnapping of foreigners by the DPR regime. The latter should definitely be accompanied by a documentary called Crossing the Line though because I think there are quite a few sides to that story. You can get the documentary on DVD (Lovefilm have it for rental as well) or it's on BBC4 once in a while.
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Spark
I haven't read that personally, but I want to and it is supposedly fantastic.

I actually came very close to buying it Waterstones once but it was £24.99 and I couldn't really justify spending that on a book.

I would also definitely recommend This is Paradise by Hyok Kang and The Reluctant Communist which is about one of the 4 GI's who defected to Pyongyang after the Korean war and the kidnapping of foreigners by the DPR regime. The latter should definitely be accompanied by a documentary called Crossing the Line though because I think there are quite a few sides to that story. You can get the documentary on DVD (Lovefilm have it for rental as well) or it's on BBC4 once in a while.


I saw the documentary, but didn't realise there was a book underlying it. As for this book - "Nothing to envy", I tried to get it on the Kindle but can't in the UK. Annoying - I'll get the paperback though, thanks to the original poster for the deal.

As for "The Aquariums" - I've heard of that too, originally I saw it referenced from an article by Christopher Hitchens (a widely-travelled journalist who has visited North Korea) in Slate, which is a good, quick read, here: http://www.slate.com/id/2117846
#18
liddlefeesh
I saw the documentary, but didn't realise there was a book underlying it. As for this book - "Nothing to envy", I tried to get it on the Kindle but can't in the UK. Annoying - I'll get the paperback though, thanks to the original poster for the deal.

As for "The Aquariums" - I've heard of that too, originally I saw it referenced from an article by Christopher Hitchens (a widely-travelled journalist who has visited North Korea) in Slate, which is a good, quick read, here: http://www.slate.com/id/2117846


Thanks for the link, I'll read that over my lunch break today, rep left. :)

The book was written by Charles Jenkins after he had defected to Japan from North Korea. The documentary was mainly focused on Joe Dresnok since he was the only one allowed to speak with foreign journalists without a minder present and the film crew were especially interested in his eldest son.

Aquariums is probably the most famous book about the DPR and actually caused George Bush and Jack Straw to request direct meetings with the author in person.
#19
I need a good book to read and North Korea has been floating in and out of my consciousness for the last few years so will probably give this book a go.

I used to hear all the time about Japanese abductees taken by North Korea ( by mini-sun on more than one occasion) and thought it was an "urban myth" until a former J-PM went to North Korea to bring some of them back to Japan.
#20
"I think it is pretty well acknowledged by everyone aside from the North Korean leadership that it is a "failed state" imposing massive deprivation and worse on its citizenship for no other reason than it refuses to admit that its Stalinist ideals and its great leaders have failed."

Wow...I never expected that response! :)

The above quote I think succinctly captures the BS that people believe....Do you think that the powers that be in this country do not have Stalinist ideas? Go read a history book... I prefer to make my own mind up on things, the government of this country is VERY controlling, albeit in a more sophisticated manner, they control what we read...they control what political stories we are exposed to, and most importantly they lie for their own commercial benefit, so PLEASE go talk to someone else who may accept some of the media-tosh written above. I am no massive fan of NK, just think it is interesting that people fail to recognise that WE actually live in a dictatorship too, shrouded by a cloud of secrecy and fed non-stories to occupy our feeble minds (anyone remember Jade Goody, Katie Price, Peter Andre?) so we never understand or care why our country is starting wars in other countries for very sinister political reasons...then we have the AUDACITY to call other countries bad, and indifferent to ourselves....reality check needed.
#21
qkhateeb
"I think it is pretty well acknowledged by everyone aside from the North Korean leadership that it is a "failed state" imposing massive deprivation and worse on its citizenship for no other reason than it refuses to admit that its Stalinist ideals and its great leaders have failed."

Wow...I never expected that response! :)

The above quote I think succinctly captures the BS that people believe....Do you think that the powers that be in this country do not have Stalinist ideas? Go read a history book... I prefer to make my own mind up on things, the government of this country is VERY controlling, albeit in a more sophisticated manner, they control what we read...they control what political stories we are exposed to, and most importantly they lie for their own commercial benefit, so PLEASE go talk to someone else who may accept some of the media-tosh written above. I am no massive fan of NK, just think it is interesting that people fail to recognise that WE actually live in a dictatorship too, shrouded by a cloud of secrecy and fed non-stories to occupy our feeble minds (anyone remember Jade Goody, Katie Price, Peter Andre?) so we never understand or care why our country is starting wars in other countries for very sinister political reasons...then we have the AUDACITY to call other countries bad, and indifferent to ourselves....reality check needed.


I used to think like this when i watched the X-Files in the 1990s... Idiots buy mags about Jade etc and we have a strong independent media in this country serving the public interest-remember the honours for cash and expenses scandals?
The governemt in this country try to win favour from the media by inviting them around number 10 for chats etc not by closing down media outlets if and when they like.
Yes we do have a "not in front of the children" mentality and in these stupid "war on terror" times that is used to defend the government and its agencies so yes that is true. Plus i hated it when Labour put tanks in front of Heathrow a few years ago-that stunk of the government trying to scare people.
If you don't like the system you can always go into politics and change it? Could you do that in NK ?
#22
qkhateeb
"I think it is pretty well acknowledged by everyone aside from the North Korean leadership that it is a "failed state" imposing massive deprivation and worse on its citizenship for no other reason than it refuses to admit that its Stalinist ideals and its great leaders have failed."

Wow...I never expected that response! :)

The above quote I think succinctly captures the BS that people believe....Do you think that the powers that be in this country do not have Stalinist ideas? Go read a history book... I prefer to make my own mind up on things, the government of this country is VERY controlling, albeit in a more sophisticated manner, they control what we read...they control what political stories we are exposed to, and most importantly they lie for their own commercial benefit, so PLEASE go talk to someone else who may accept some of the media-tosh written above. I am no massive fan of NK, just think it is interesting that people fail to recognise that WE actually live in a dictatorship too, shrouded by a cloud of secrecy and fed non-stories to occupy our feeble minds (anyone remember Jade Goody, Katie Price, Peter Andre?) so we never understand or care why our country is starting wars in other countries for very sinister political reasons...then we have the AUDACITY to call other countries bad, and indifferent to ourselves....reality check needed.


I suppose you believe in the New World Order and that our political and economic system is controlled by an elusive governing Illuminate?

What you have hit upon is that people are, generally, selfish and look out for themselves first and for others around them second. And this is no more apparent than in government and politics. But to then go from that to Jade Goody and Katie Price is a huge non-sequitor. It simply doesn't follow that because some commercial organisations lie for their own benefit and because most governments seek to expand their control over the population - that for some reason Jade Goody is a pawn of some global conspiracy against you.

I'll let you in on a secret. Jade Goody, Katie Price and Peter Andre are celebrities. The media makes them and they do so in order to capitalise on the demand for knowledge about them which they then sell to people on a daily basis. That's all there is to it.

To compare our Western freedoms, of the press, of speech, of movement - to North Korea, frankly betrays a poor education and understanding of the world.
#23
chapchap
I used to think like this when i watched the X-Files in the 1990s... Idiots buy mags about Jade etc and we have a strong independent media in this country serving the public interest-remember the honours for cash and expenses scandals?


The NK government would never had had a scandal, for they do not allow ANY journalism unless it is from the state. The state television broadcasts are thing to watch, it's almost as if the newscasters have a gun to their heads. And yet, in more than one way, they do.

And presuming such news broke? Whoever was deemed responsible - AND ALL THEIR FAMILIES, INCLUDING CHILDREN - would be interred, for life, in a concentration camp and/or publicly executed. So, a little different to the UK, then?

chapchap
The governemt in this country try to win favour from the media by inviting them around number 10 for chats etc not by closing down media outlets if and when they like.


That's true. And we have seen (esp the Labour party) seek to legislate to impose tighter controls on information and the press.

chapchap
Yes we do have a "not in front of the children" mentality and in these stupid "war on terror" times that is used to defend the government and its agencies so yes that is true. Plus i hated it when Labour put tanks in front of Heathrow a few years ago-that stunk of the government trying to scare people.
If you don't like the system you can always go into politics and change it? Could you do that in NK ?


Indeed. And we have freer access to information here in the rest of the world. North Korean people are kept, quite literally, in the dark.
#24
On a mostly unrelated subject..around New Malden there are some fantastic Korean restaurants, bakeries, butchers, "pickled veggie sellers" and the might Korea Foods supermarket.
We started going a few months ago to stock up on J-food and love it! I can see why South Korea and Japan a bit of a love affair going on as they do share some similarities esp. food!
#25
chapchap
On a mostly unrelated subject..around New Malden there are some fantastic Korean restaurants, bakeries, butchers, "pickled veggie sellers" and the might Korea Foods supermarket.
We started going a few months ago to stock up on J-food and love it! I can see why South Korea and Japan a bit of a love affair going on as they do share some similarities esp. food!


Kim-chee is awful! I can't say I'm down with the S. Korean diet much!
#26
liddlefeesh
Kim-chee is awful! I can't say I'm down with the S. Korean diet much!


It is great esp. on hot humid Summer nights with cold beer! But then again i love pickled stuff. Try Chapchae,or spicy bibimbap to get you started. Lovely and garlicky and spicy!

I want to go this weekend to Su La or somewhere !!
#27
@ chapchap
I think you should retract that comment "we have a strong independent media in this country" lol...because I may open your eyes a little...with news items that do NOT reach the front page right through to the back page and their actual importance!! Have you read the Daily Mail? The Sun? The Telegraph? If you are a free thinking individual who takes most of what they read with a pinch of salt...and you dare say something which makes people uncomfortable in there 'academic' opinions, then you get gunned down, as above. I do not care that you don't agree with me, I just pose an alternative viewpoint to yours, you keep believing what you are reading, I'll keep believing what I am seeing ( i would input a great smiley here, but in that area I am lacking).

@ LIDLfeesh...I started yawning after the 1st line of your thinly veiled vitriol...you are obviously the most brain-washed person here so go talk to a wall or something lol, or someone/something who/which is willing to absorb what you are saying without engaging their brains. A results of 'poor education' can be seen above, and I am quite highly educated I like to think, but thats irrelevant, you can be educated to the hilt and naive also...I prefer to think for myself - thanks for your concern though.

PLEASE please do not couple us all up as the 'Western freedoms', tell me what exactly is liberating about our insistent illegal-wars?? Please tell me ONE thing...are we liberating the Iraqi people? LOL....bull, YOU know it, I know it...but hey its ok, because we can take a sh!t in peace and have supposed 'freedoms', cant wait to see your face, when the facade comes tumbling down, people like you will be swearing they knew all about it and saw it coming, the exact opposite of what you are purporting now!

to be fair, I think u misinterpreted my comment above the non-celebrities, our media here is owned 75% by Zionists, the mention of those people was to illustrate that we are fed non-stories in order to block actual stories that are VERY relevant to you and I...I didnt say these guys are not built up by the media, they are, they ARE pawns as u say...but the reasons behind why we are fed so much 'entertainment' is sinister, I thinks its insane - I don't want blood on MY hands, and I DONT want to believe a political word this government utters.

Am I not right in thinking a media document was leaked recently which showed a dated timeline of news reports which were to be reported on and when? The expense scandal was on that leak, planned to be reported TWO years in advance of when it was...it blows some arguments out the water, do you REALLY think they could not bury the expenses scandal if they wanted to?? thats very naive and frankly laughable of an 'educated' man/woman like yourself... the reason is was reported to much fanfare was because there was MORE important news at the time which they WERE trying to bury. I shudder to think how many others have your hand-held mentality...
#28
chapchap
It is great esp. on hot humid Summer nights with cold beer! But then again i love pickled stuff. Try Chapchae,or spicy bibimbap to get you started. Lovely and garlicky and spicy!

I want to go this weekend to Su La or somewhere !!


I have a couple of Korean friends and, well, we agree on Chinese, Malaysian and Indian food but I'm not quite there on the pickled vegetables (not even Malaysian styled pickled cabbage). I can do pickled onions in a salad or sweet pickle or piccalilli, but that's it for me!

Don't you think it's the cold beer on a hot humid summer night that did it for you? Try it without the pickled vegetables and I'm sure you'll be just as happy!
#29
Don't forget the BBC and Israel War Fundraising advert, or lack of...our 'free' press dragging its heels..waiting for the NOD ;-)

Israel, now we are on the subject are an Apartheid state, a fascist state, why are non of there books posted on here?? why are they NOT the scum of the Earth??? Lol - I think North Korea are entitled to do what they want to protect themselves...if we and other are in bed with a terrorist state like Israel...and before anyone wrongly assumed I am anti-Jewish, I am not, a BIG lie in the global media, is that real Jews support a Zionist Israeli state...but I suppose this is the result, a severely deluded populous who does not know truth from fiction, when what we read is very much watered down in this country as it is banned in NK.

Good day all, wish I could stay and discuss...
#30
qkhateeb
@ LIDLfeesh...I started yawning after the 1st line of your thinly veiled vitriol...you are obviously the most brain-washed person here so go talk to a wall or something lol, or someone/something who/which is willing to absorb what you are saying without engaging their brains. A results of 'poor education' can be seen above, and I am quite highly educated I like to think, but thats irrelevant, you can be educated to the hilt and naive also...I prefer to think for myself - thanks for your concern though.


Vitriol? No. Derision, maybe ;)

Come back to this thread in ten years, after you've gained some life experience. Travel a bit. Read.

qkhateeb
PLEASE please do not couple us all up as the 'Western freedoms', tell me what exactly is liberating about our insistent illegal-wars?? Please tell me ONE thing...are we liberating the Iraqi people?


What's that got to do with North Korea? Nothing.

LOL....bull, YOU know it, I know it...but hey its ok, because we can take a sh!t in peace and have supposed 'freedoms', cant wait to see your face, when the facade comes tumbling down, people like you will be swearing they knew all about it and saw it coming, the exact opposite of what you are purporting now!

to be fair, I think u misinterpreted my comment above the non-celebrities, our media here is owned 75% by Zionists


Yawn. Go preach on another street corner.

The expense scandal was on that leak, planned to be reported TWO years in advance of when it was..


Where is your EVIDENCE of this, please?

thats very naive and frankly laughable of an 'educated' man/woman like yourself... the reason is was reported to much fanfare was because there was MORE important news at the time which they WERE trying to bury. I shudder to think how many others have your hand-held mentality...


And I shudder to think that there are people who share a similar mentality to yours, in power around the world with fingers on the trigger of real weapons.
#31
qkhateeb
Israel, now we are on the subject are an Apartheid state, a fascist state, why are non of there books posted on here?? why are they NOT the scum of the Earth???


You can't stay on a single subject for more than half a dozen words, can you? This is an altogether different topic.

Personally, I think Israel needs more than just global condemnation with respect to its recent unilateral acts against the Palestinian people. I presume you're one of them? You seem to think that the Western democracies are equal to, worse than or at least aspire to the same doctrines that inspired North Korea's personality state.

As for "why are non of there books posted on here???" - I presume you mean, "Why are none of their books posted on here?", to which I can only reply, "Whose books?".

EDIT: And for what it's worth - yes, I agree that "Zionist" ideology may well be favoured over "Islamist" ideology in some political circles (namely, the United States of America and other "Christian" centres of power).

If you find a hot deal, post it. End of.
#32
[QUOTE=qkhateeb]@ chapchap
I think you should retract that comment "we have a strong independent media in this country" lol...because I may open your eyes a little...with news items that do NOT reach the front page right through to the back page and their actual importance!! Have you read the Daily Mail? The Sun? The Telegraph? If you are a free thinking individual who takes most of what they read with a pinch of salt...and you dare say something which makes people uncomfortable in there 'academic' opinions, then you get gunned down, as above. I do not care that you don't agree with me, I just pose an alternative viewpoint to yours, you keep believing what you are reading, I'll keep believing what I am seeing ( i would input a great smiley here, but in that area I am lacking).

But what you are seeing is not the true way of the world-rather a bit childish and ignorant. There is not one way to see things and what you see may possible be correct in some quarters but not in others. To be honest i don't read the newspapers you mention but then i don't like them. I have a choice to buy and read what i choose to...get it?! If 3 million peeps want to buy and read about famous people them good luck to them if not then there are many alterative sources...get it?!

If you voice an opinion then expect to be "gunned down" as you say or rather as we say-given some "feedback" :thumbsup:
I will add a smily for you-it isn't all bad by the way even if you think it is :)
#33
qkhateeb
Don't forget the BBC and Israel War Fundraising advert, or lack of...our 'free' press dragging its heels..waiting for the NOD ;-)

Israel, now we are on the subject are an Apartheid state, a fascist state, why are non of there books posted on here?? why are they NOT the scum of the Earth??? Lol - I think North Korea are entitled to do what they want to protect themselves...if we and other are in bed with a terrorist state like Israel...and before anyone wrongly assumed I am anti-Jewish, I am not, a BIG lie in the global media, is that real Jews support a Zionist Israeli state...but I suppose this is the result, a severely deluded populous who does not know truth from fiction, when what we read is very much watered down in this country as it is banned in NK.

Good day all, wish I could stay and discuss...


"I mean I not a racist but......" No you probably aren't. Are you moving from one subject to another because you have no comeback for your original comments?
#34
Chapchap keep chatchatting...someone will read it eventually & endorse you :)

LIDLman, I am older than you I would imagine, have travelled a LOT ;-) have READ even more...hence my 'unpopular' opinions. You should practice as you preach, if you were old and wise as u imply you wouldn't say half the stuff you do :)

As for the grammatical errors, I apologise, quick typing, and not much regard :) I was being chased by the Zionist blog-spies ;-)

And lastly apologies for the random examples, it just truly annoys me that you guys can be so 'perceptive' and passionate about proving me wrong, rather than researching your own, 'main-stream' argumets. Keep trying, it gets more and more believable by the post...
#35
chapchap
"I mean I not a racist but......" No you probably aren't. Are you moving from one subject to another because you have no comeback for your original comments?


I suspect this is the case. I don't think he/she is a troll, but merely someone who is caught up in a strange and arbitrary world view about the Palestinian/Israeli conflict and chose to bubble this over into this North Korea book deal!

Incidentally, he/she appeared to have made a gross accusation that there are no Zionism related books on HotUKDeals, so let me be the first to search Amazon for us all :)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=zionism&x=0&y=0
#36
chapchap
It is great esp. on hot humid Summer nights with cold beer! But then again i love pickled stuff. Try Chapchae,or spicy bibimbap to get you started. Lovely and garlicky and spicy!

I want to go this weekend to Su La or somewhere !!


I personally love Korean cuisine but am probably slightly biased there. ;-) You can get some really great stuff in London and up here in Manchester but I've also heard that New Malden has quite a lot to offer and I'll certainly take a look there if I'm ever in town. I would say that if anybody wants to try Korean food for the first time then pork or beef bulgogi is probably the way to go with a glass/bottle of freezing cold Hite beer, barley tea or juice of Aloe Vera.

To say that British politics is in any way comparable to the DPR is absolutely absurd. Whilst it is true that the North Korean regime actually does idealise Britain to some extent (which is in it's own way ironic since Britain invented capitalism) life in the UK is nothing like life in North Korea and this is coming from someone who has actually been in both countries.

What is present in British society is a level of indifference in some people caused in some cases by distraction and in others by a lack of interest. We have the best media in the world in this country but so few people actually care about what goes in around them or in other parts of the world and would rather concentrate on Katie Price's latest antics or the goings on in the big brother house. The new 'coalition' government is essentially a failure of our political system, a psuedo-banana republic which nobody actually voted for but which managed to obtain power by exploiting a series of electoral loopholes.

Life in the UK is nothing like life in the DPRK though and how anybody could compare the two is honestly beyond me. It is a comparison which has been made before though, maybe partially based on our CCTV-policing and sadly that the 'fictional' novel of 1984 was set here. There is in fact even one idiot on the south coast who runs a small political party who focus on establishing a Juche-based ideology in Britain. I posted on their forum asking whether it was just a sick joke or if it was actually real and was subsequently branded a 'capitalist puppet' and banned from the site.
#37
Spark
Wow, I never expected this to reach the front page, the community on this site really is fantastic. :)

Thebopple: I think people generally shy away from posting this sort of thing because they think it won't appeal to anybody but I'll post any deals like this that I come across again in future.


Quality post and people always surprise you:whistling: - be nice to see more like this!
#38
qkhateeb

And lastly apologies for the random examples, it just truly annoys me that you guys can be so 'perceptive' and passionate about proving me wrong, rather than researching your own, 'main-stream' argumets. Keep trying, it gets more and more believable by the post...


Not really. You just hijacked this book deal with your seemingly-random and rather aggressive posts of random crap, which clearly betrays your lack of rationality here.
#39
Spark
To say that British politics is in any way comparable to the DPR is absolutely absurd. Whilst it is true that the North Korean regime actually does idealise Britain to some extent (which is in it's own way ironic since Britain invented capitalism) life in the UK is nothing like life in North Korea and this is coming from someone who has actually been in both countries.


Hite beer is ok, and I shall look up "beef bulgogi" whenever I am near a Korean restaurant! I love food and am willing to give Korean another go :P

What is present in British society is a level of indifference in some people caused in some cases by distraction and in others by a lack of interest


And there endeth the lesson for the day. Indeed the level of indifference is alarming as it has enabled our political class to get away with so much and for so long.

Your post was thought provoking and I agree with what you've said, however I am perplexed by your assertion that "the North Korean regime actually does idealise Britain to some extent". I'm not denying this might be true, but if you have a couple of minutes would you mind penning your thoughts on this and explaining a little more about what you mean? I was not under the impression that the North Korean government took anything from British culture and cannot see it myself in their style of government at all. Have I missed something?
#40
qkhateeb
Lol - I think North Korea are entitled to do what they want to protect themselves...


Kidnapping foreign citizens in the middle of the night from their native soil, hijacking passenger jets and firing missiles randomly into the sea of Japan without provication is not a positive way for a country to protect itself. Make no mistake, the million man KPA is there for show and to intimidate the UN, Japan and South, nothing more. Even with the ludicrous funding they receive (28% of the annual North Korean GDP) they would not stand a chance against an invading American, British, Russian, Chinese, Japanese, UN or French invading force. They are undisciplined and ill-equipped and serve only to extort money and plea bargains from the six-party talks.

The main problem with the world's perception of North Korean policy is the attention given to Kim Jong-il. This man now has his finger on a nuclear trigger and is the leader of a powerful country yet he is seen in the media as just a wild-haired, film loving weirdo and thus reports on him by the likes of CNN and even the BBC can occasionally be a bit too jovial. The DPR's close proximity to China also means that it is out of America's military reach, even when directly threatning to launch arms on Alaska, a threat which would have had most countries flattened to the ground. Likewise, Seoul unfortunately pulls back America's reign a lot when it comes to the DPR as they are still secretly funding the regime for fear of 20 million refugees suddenly being forced to head south of the DMZ.

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