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Onkyo TX SR606 for £295.00 @ RicherSounds

£295.00 @ Richer Sounds
Picked up one of these for 295 using price beat to beat AV-Sales price. http://www.av-sales.co.uk/Audio-systems-22/AV-Amps-and-Receivers-367/ONKYO-TX-SR606-367-.htm Read More
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Picked up one of these for 295 using price beat to beat AV-Sales price.

http://www.av-sales.co.uk/Audio-systems-22/AV-Amps-and-Receivers-367/ONKYO-TX-SR606-367-.htm
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#1
cool price for an excellent amp
#2
Does this have overheating problems?

Great price.
#3
nope as long as it can breath
#4
royals
excellent amp...no doubt some muppets will add their p-i-k-e-y 99p hdmi cables to this


Does it actually make that much difference? I was under the impression that because it's a digital signal it doesn't make a difference.

PS good find by the way - I'm looking to get one soon for my new house :)
#5
yep digital in digital out - only difference is you may get interference if cable not properly shielded. It is like a USB cable - can but a 99p one or £99 one it wont make a difference to the 1's and 0's going thru.
#6
Excellent amp, paid £299 for this just under two weeks ago.
#7
just to confirm, if i plug my xbox to the amp via HDMI will i get sound or do i need to connect using the optical cable?
1 Like #8
royals;3917072
excellent amp...no doubt some muppets will add their xxxxxxxxxxx 99p hdmi cables to this


And no doubt you paid over the odds because the dixons sales person told you the cable was better? Also I doubt any xxxxxxxxxxxxxx would have this amp, as then they wouldn't be able to afford to fit a spoiler to their mk1 fiesta.
#9
Cracking amp :)
#10
jrw
yep digital in digital out - only difference is you may get interference if cable not properly shielded. It is like a USB cable - can but a 99p one or £99 one it wont make a difference to the 1's and 0's going thru.


I agree.
#11
Got one for £300 from Sevenoaks Wolverhampton... cracking deal instore... will be going again this week to get my speakers :D

HDMI cables dont matter...it either works or doesnt
2 Likes #12
jrw
yep digital in digital out - only difference is you may get interference if cable not properly shielded. It is like a USB cable - can but a 99p one or £99 one it wont make a difference to the 1's and 0's going thru.


No that is not right. The signal transmitted within the cable is ANALOGUE which is converted to digital by reading the amplitude of the electrical waves. The electrical signal carried on HDMI cables cannot possibly be digital!

A threshold on the amplitude determines how the conversion to digital is carried out which implies that a poor signal from attenuation can cause the amplitude to be below the required threshold for the signal to be read as 1 and consequently this could lead to it being read as a zero instead.

Attenuation from the cable can lead to sparkles in the picture. That is not to say that a cheap cable is insufficient but the signal is NOT digital and like all cables that carry electrical signals, degradation from attenuation can occur particularly with longer cables or poorly built cables.

Transfer via USB is also prone to errors too, for the same reasons. The receiving end of the USB usually performs error checks and upon failure will ask the transmitting end to resend the data packets if an error checksum fails. With HDMI, this cannot be done because live TV transmitted via HDMI cannot simply pause and ask for the data to be transmitted again so what is sent in is what is displayed - ie. missing binary digits in, corrupted display out.
#13
Realistically though on short 1-2m cables the cable is not going to make that much difference. A cheap sheilded cable is going to be just as good as a monster one.

Great amp by the way got one 2 weeks ago - hot
#14
That was exactly my understanding of how the signal is transmitted/received. But I'd hope that even for a cheap cable, at a relatively short length the attenuation wouldn't be enough to cause any degradation. For a long cable I'm sure it would be the case, but I don't think it's justified for a short cable.

Also, you say the signal within the cable is analogue (by your definition). What would constitute a digital signal? Because I'd call that a digital signal. I appreciate that the voltage (is that what is varied to produce the signal?) won't be discrete values, and will vary, but does any transmission produce a truly 'digital' signal? (that's not rhetorical by the way, I actually don't know)
#15
ElliottC
No that is not right. The signal transmitted within the cable is ANALOGUE which is converted to digital by reading the amplitude of the electrical waves. The electrical signal carried on HDMI cables cannot possibly be digital!

A threshold on the amplitude determines how the conversion to digital is carried out which implies that a poor signal from attenuation can cause the amplitude to be below the required threshold for the signal to be read as 1 and consequently this could lead to it being read as a zero instead.

Attenuation from the cable can lead to sparkles in the picture. That is not to say that a cheap cable is insufficient but the signal is NOT digital and like all cables that carry electrical signals, degradation from attenuation can occur particularly with longer cables or poorly built cables.

Transfer via USB is also prone to errors too, for the same reasons. The receiving end of the USB usually performs error checks and upon failure will ask the transmitting end to resend the data packets if an error checksum fails. With HDMI, this cannot be done because live TV transmitted via HDMI cannot simply pause and ask for the data to be transmitted again so what is sent in is what is displayed - ie. missing binary digits in, corrupted display out.


All hail ElliotC! ;-)

I think the point is that the glitching from a bad HDMI cable is so obvious it can be regarded as not working, as opposed to a cheap phono audio cable or video cable which can have a more subtle effect on the picture quality or warmth of sound etc.
1 Like #16
jbarnett
That was exactly my understanding of how the signal is transmitted/received. But I'd hope that even for a cheap cable, at a relatively short length the attenuation wouldn't be enough to cause any degradation. For a long cable I'm sure it would be the case, but I don't think it's justified for a short cable.

Also, you say the signal within the cable is analogue (by your definition). What would constitute a digital signal? Because I'd call that a digital signal. I appreciate that the voltage (is that what is varied to produce the signal?) won't be discrete values, and will vary, but does any transmission produce a truly 'digital' signal? (that's not rhetorical by the way, I actually don't know)


For a short cheap cable, there should not be any issues unless the manufacturer has used a high resistivity materials in the cable.

Electrical signals have varying amplitudes in their waves and they are analogue signals. I was trying to explain that due to this nature performance can be degraded if the amplitudes do not reach the threshold by which a bit is deemed to be 1.

To answer your last question, a semiconductor using p-n junctions can produce binary on and off signals without signal degradation. I believe that is the case.

I'm glad someone like yourself knows knows how digital information is represented from analogue signals. There is far too much "oh digital is digital" comments. A good example of how a digital signal could fail is by use of writing to CDs and DVDs. Poor quality media will result in the pits not being able to be read correctly resulting in error checks to fail.
#17
seeing is believing.

my brother couldn't believe I used a £1.99 HDMI cable to connect my PS3 to my 50" Kuro after he paid £90 for one.

I challenged him to a test where I would connect each cable and he had to point out any differences without knowing which was which. If he could tell which was which I would buy the lead off him, if not we would swap for free.

We couldn't see any difference at all, so now he's got a £1.99 lead and he is miffed even though he admits it looks the same, he says it doesn't feel the same!

:whistling:
#18
wingz
just to confirm, if i plug my xbox to the amp via HDMI will i get sound or do i need to connect using the optical cable?


You'll just need the HDMI cable.
#19
You can get this from B&H Photo in The States for £240 delivered. Assuming that you will pay 15% VAT on arrival to the UK, final price would be £276. I have used these guys before and they are excellent. If the £ was a bit stronger, like 8 months ago, this would be a steal from The US.

:pirate: CJ :pirate:

EDIT: Here's the What Hi-Fi Review.
#20
cutthroat_jake
You can get this from B&H Photo in The States for £240 delivered. Assuming that you will pay 15% VAT on arrival to the UK, final price would be £276. I have used these guys before and they are excellent. If the £ was a bit stronger, like 8 months ago, this would be a steal from The US.

:pirate: CJ :pirate:


Wouldn't just be VAT, you are liable for duty too.
#21
I work for an AV company and we tested 2 identical LG 50" Plasma's with blu-ray cassino royal playing on identical samsung players
1 with £120 HDMI
1 with £5 ebay HDMI

could see no difference at all, and we were thorough and lots of people looked
#22
cutthroat_jake
You can get this from B&H Photo in The States for £240 delivered. Assuming that you will pay 15% VAT on arrival to the UK, final price would be £276. I have used these guys before and they are excellent. If the £ was a bit stronger, like 8 months ago, this would be a steal from The US.

:pirate: CJ :pirate:


Is that UK specifications and compatible with UK domestic electricity?
#23
What do you guys think about this one vs the Yamaha DSP-AX763?
the only differences I've seen spec wise are that the onkyo has 2 extra hdmi and 1080i videoscaling.

But the Yamaha it's a bit cheaper and seems to have better reviews.

Anyone has any good reason why I would prefer the onkyo?
#24
Or you could go the other route and go Component, which seems to be dismissed these days, But the component picture on my 50" LG Plasma is a fair bit better than the Hdmi one.
#25
XTREMEGAMER
Got one for £300 from Sevenoaks Wolverhampton... cracking deal instore... will be going again this week to get my speakers :D

HDMI cables dont matter...it either works or doesnt


Totally incorrect, just because a digital bit stream is made from 1's and 0's it certainly does not mean it either works or doesn't! It;s entirely possible to have random bit errors that degrade the picture, but still have a recognisable picture.

The cheap cables are fine at short lengths 1 or 2 meters, but if you want a longer cable e.g. 10 or 15 meters the cheap ones will often cause problems at higher bit rates e.g. 1080P.
#26
joylove
I agree.


n second that!
#27
hawk299
I work for an AV company and we tested 2 identical LG 50" Plasma's with blu-ray cassino royal playing on identical samsung players
1 with £120 HDMI
1 with £5 ebay HDMI

could see no difference at all, and we were thorough and lots of people looked


That's absolutely incredible. I guess the product lifetimes are totally different. But then again, on comparison, the ebay ones are disposable.
#28
babylon
Or you could go the other route and go Component, which seems to be dismissed these days, But the component picture on my 50" LG Plasma is a fair bit better than the Hdmi one.


That is an interesting one but bear in mind that component cables do not carry audio nor can they be HDCP decoded. Here is a good guide on HDMI v component:

http://www.coderetard.com/2008/04/18/dvi-vs-hdmi-vs-component-video-which-is-better/
#29
cutthroat_jake;3918661
You can get this from B&H Photo in The States for £240 delivered. Assuming that you will pay 15% VAT on arrival to the UK, final price would be £276. I have used these guys before and they are excellent. If the £ was a bit stronger, like 8 months ago, this would be a steal from The US.

:pirate: CJ :pirate:

EDIT: Here's the What Hi-Fi Review.


By my understanding that is poor advice. As well as VAT you have to pay Customs duty on goods imported from outside the EU. In fact you pay the duty then you pay VAT on the total. In fact, they include postage charges in the base calculation so you pay duty and VAT on the postage!! Oh, and in case you've been left with a few quid rattling around your pocket after this, the company shipping the item to you will charge another few quid in 'admin fees' to collect the money for the HMRC...

A quote from the HMRC website page entitled "Shopping on the Internet":[INDENT][B]If you buy goods online from a country outside the European Union, for instance the USA, Canada, China, Australia[/B]

You will be charged:[LIST]
[*] Customs duty if the amount of duty is €10 (£7) or over
[*] Import VAT if the value of the goods is €22 (£18) and over[/LIST][/INDENT]The actual deal looks hot tho' ;-)

AJ
#30
Richer Sounds will only price match if the item is in stock elsewhere. AV-Sales don't have stock of the black TX-SR606, only silver when I checked earlier this week.
#31
ElliottC

Transfer via USB is also prone to errors too, for the same reasons. The receiving end of the USB usually performs error checks and upon failure will ask the transmitting end to resend the data packets if an error checksum fails. With HDMI, this cannot be done because live TV transmitted via HDMI cannot simply pause and ask for the data to be transmitted again so what is sent in is what is displayed - ie. missing binary digits in, corrupted display out.



Although I entirely agree with everything you have said you should really make it clear that any issues are incredibly rare and would require rather a large wave of interferance to cause any issues at all.

I have never had a crc when transferring data on a usb cable. I oftne transfer over 20-30 700MB files at a time. Although these will be treated individually it is still a good indication of the reliability of USB.

Maybe I am just using well sheilded USB cables? ;)

Certainly I am using a cheap HDMI cable which resides at the back of my LCD TV where there are many devices that could cause interferance and I have no issues with this either.
#32
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I RECEIVED AN INFRACTION FOR POSTING THIS
HOW IS THAT OFFENSIVE.????..PATHETIC...THE WORD IS IN MOST DICTIONARYS!!!!! I WOULD LIKE AN APOLOGY AND THE INFRACTION REMOVED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!
this is what was posted ive xxx out four mid letters - "excellent amp...no doubt some muppets will add their c****y 99p hdmi cables to this"
MAYBE IS SHOULD REPORT EVERYONE WHO HAS EVEN SLIGHTLY OFFENDED ME, EVEN DISAGREEMENTS
TALK ABOUT HEAVY HANDED, RAYMAN IS ABUSING HIS POWER!
Mate,Don't even bother, I went through the same thing Here,Even to the point that they deleted one of my post reply's because I made a light hearted joke towards the Mods(Must have took offense), Well I just don't bother now, I say what I say and if I get banned or something then so be it.
#33
I know someone who spent close to £100 on an HDMI cable.

It was worth every penny to me as i got such a good laugh out of the fact that he did...
#34
B0rker
Although I entirely agree with everything you have said you should really make it clear that any issues are incredibly rare and would require rather a large wave of interferance to cause any issues at all.

I have never had a crc when transferring data on a usb cable. I oftne transfer over 20-30 700MB files at a time. Although these will be treated individually it is still a good indication of the reliability of USB.

Maybe I am just using well sheilded USB cables? ;)

Certainly I am using a cheap HDMI cable which resides at the back of my LCD TV where there are many devices that could cause interferance and I have no issues with this either.


I use cheap HDMI cables too! However, on my laptop to DVI monitor (which is 10m away) I use a better quality cable and a booster as there are sparkles showing on the display. You may well have misunderstood me. The objective of my argument is that digital in does not always equate to digital out for an HDMI signal.

Regarding USB cables, you are unlikely to receive CRC errors. Again, I pointed that out because data packets are re-transmitted if error checksums fail. With HD video, this is not pragmatic otherwise the display will have to pause and ask for the missing data to be re-transmitted. - with USB cables, it is not a problem and the receiver can simply ask the transmitter for the information again.
#35
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM HAMMING CODE :)


I have a lovely HDMI tester at work so i always check, cause the cheap ones will work for now but im sure after a bit they will start to fail.

Also i have one of these lovely amps for my surround sound, and i could not be more pleased. plugged in the mic told it to set up and about 10 mins later it was pumping perfect audio out. I got it as a package and they knocked a further £100 off and the acompanying Blu Ray Onkyo player is lovely too. watched batman today and it was fantastic.

:)
#36
this deal is now £349.95, still a good deal is it?

Here
#37
Gadget show did a test on HDMI cables too, cheapo v's £100+ cables, if i remember correctly it was a couple of Kuro panels. No difference could be found.
1 Like #38
I wish this £100 hdmi cable **** would stop

they only way a hdmi cable will be worse is if its faulty

aslong as it can handle the bitrate £2 or £200 its all the same

any fool buying into there's a difference needs their head examined

hdmi is digital from end to end full stop
#39
adyjoy
By my understanding that is poor advice. As well as VAT you have to pay Customs duty on goods imported from outside the EU. In fact you pay the duty then you pay VAT on the total. In fact, they include postage charges in the base calculation so you pay duty and VAT on the postage!! Oh, and in case you've been left with a few quid rattling around your pocket after this, the company shipping the item to you will charge another few quid in 'admin fees' to collect the money for the HMRC...

A quote from the HMRC website page entitled "Shopping on the Internet":[INDENT][B]If you buy goods online from a country outside the European Union, for instance the USA, Canada, China, Australia[/B]

You will be charged:[LIST]
[*] Customs duty if the amount of duty is €10 (£7) or over
[*] Import VAT if the value of the goods is €22 (£18) and over[/LIST][/INDENT]The actual deal looks hot tho' ;-)

AJ


Duty and VAT are charged on the value of the item as declared by the sender. Most US retailers won't declare a lower value (though ebayers usually will), but offer free domestic shipping to the lower 48 states. Wouldn't it be great if you had a US address to get stuff sent to, and then forwarded to you at your own declared value, but declared by the sender, covering you should it be questioned (which it never is as the duty/VAT is processed on the plane by DHL thus bypasssing HM Customs)? That would be cool :whistling:
#40
dromi;3918826
What do you guys think about this one vs the Yamaha DSP-AX763?
the only differences I've seen spec wise are that the onkyo has 2 extra hdmi and 1080i videoscaling.
But the Yamaha it's a bit cheaper and seems to have better reviews.
Anyone has any good reason why I would prefer the onkyo?

I just bought the AX763 to replace a AX757SE - Yes a Yamaha AV Amp Fanboy I guess :)
I don't know the Onkyo I'm afraid but I can say the Yamaha looks and sounds the part. The limitation of only 2 HDMI inputs may put some people off but personally I'd always go for the better sounding (and better looking unit). A HDMI expander can be added for not much cost.

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