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PANASONIC NA-148VA2WGB 1400 SPIN 8kg drum WASHING MACHINE 6 year warranty John Lewis £449.00

£449.00 @ John Lewis
This has been reduced from £490 to £449 today and includes a 6 year warranty. I ordered one and I hear really good things about the design of these machines. Very quite in operation. Check out the bro… Read More
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6y, 5m agoFound 6 years, 5 months ago
This has been reduced from £490 to £449 today and includes a 6 year warranty. I ordered one and I hear really good things about the design of these machines. Very quite in operation. Check out the brochure http://intelligent-living.panasonic.co.uk/downloads/intelligent-living-2010.pdf


General Information
Body Colour White
Ring Colour Silver
Load Capacity 8 kg
Spin Speed 1400 rpm
Energy Efficiency
Energy Label A -30%
Energy Consumptio 1.03 kwh
Auto Power Off yes
Water Consumption
Water Consumption 50 l
Special Features
Wash Technology 3-D Sensor Wash
Tilted Drum Yes, 10 degrees
Foam Sensor yes
Balance Sensor yes
Auto Load Sensor yes
3D Acceleration Sensor yes
Wide-Angle Water Supply Shower yes
Time Delay yes
Remaining Time indicator yes
Child Lock yes
Display LED
Programs
Standard Programs 12.0
Special programs 4.0
Washing time 107 min
Spin Speed options 4.0
Temperature Options 5.0
Program Options
Intensive yes
Extra Rinse yes
PreWash yes
EasyIroning yes
Security
Water Leak Protection Yes
"Aquastop" System yes
Child Lock yes
Alarm yes
Energy Label Performance
Energy Efficiency A
Washing Performance A
Spin Performance A
Technical Data
Height 84.5 cm
Width 59.6 cm
Depth 62.5cm
Weight 85 kg
Motor Brushless
Drum capacity 60 l
Noise level Washing 50 db
Noise Level Spinning 70 dB
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1 Like #1
I was first going to buy a hotpoint from argos for £300 which comes with a 5 year parts warranty so I rang them up to ask how much labour it would cost for repairs £105. The extended warranty to 5 years would cost £166 at argos so this Panasonic is a better deal in the long run.

The guy at John Lewis said that with hotpoint machines if you are lucky you might get a good one otherwise they can die within a year.
1 Like #2
1600 spin model with 8kg drum now down from £592 to £499 ( model NA 168VX2WGB)

http://www.johnlewis.com/230906953/Product.aspx

Edited By: retep on Feb 10, 2011 22:01
#3
This one has a 8kg drum as well. I actually went to buy the £499 model but the rubber hose has a safety valve built in at the end that screws onto the water feed pipe. The way my feed pipe is plastered in to the wall this safety valve wouldn't fit against the wall and on the machine end the rubber hose is built in so I cant use a normal rubber hose. Hence I purchased this £449 model which doesn't have the valve.

Also, John Lewis charged me £25 for install and £9 to take away old machine. You can't select install option on the website but if you ring your local store to order then they will do it for you on the phone.
#4
seems good with warranty, i got 8kg drum and its good size.
#5
wonder what the wash results are like.. am in the market for a new washer.. was thinking to go for a miele...

any opinions?
5 Likes #6
Miele are the best, guy at john lewis said the equivelent miele model is £900+ but it does come with a 10 year warranty. The jan 2011 issue of Which magazine says that the cheapest best buy Beko £290 washes as well as a best buy Bosch £590. Which rated a Miele at 79% and the Beko at 71% in total. So what your really paying for is build quality and features as they all seem to wash well.

Edited By: silps on Feb 11, 2011 00:03: Error
#7
ta slips. very informative, and much appreciated
#8
samwants2save
wonder what the wash results are like.. am in the market for a new washer.. was thinking to go for a miele...

any opinions?


If you have money to burn....................

Yes, they're highly rated but really silly money. Beko almost as good at one third the price (really).
#9
samwants2save
ta slips. very informative, and much appreciated


Your welcome, the great thing about this Panasonic deal is the warranty that you get for free. A top machine that works out the same price as a cheaper machine and purchasing an extra warranty on top. Normally JL charge £129 to extend the warranty to 5 years.

I rang my Panasonic store to see if they stocked the machine, he said "we will be getting them soon as they have had great write ups and even though we have a small store we feel that we are missing out"

If anyone finds this machine cheaper close to the brent cross store, please let me know so i can get a price match done.
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samwants2save
wonder what the wash results are like.. am in the market for a new washer.. was thinking to go for a miele...

any opinions?

We have the NA-168VG2 And we are very happy with this machine, Its so quiet that we now do washing at night, also the drum is very very large which has meant we do less washing cycles in a week.
The only thing i would suggest is that you make sure you have 60-61cm depth for the machine to fit flush but all in all we are very happy with the purchase
#11
Julan
We have the NA-168VG2 And we are very happy with this machine, Its so quiet that we now do washing at night, also the drum is very very large which has meant we do less washing cycles in a week.
The only thing i would suggest is that you make sure you have 60-61cm depth for the machine to fit flush but all in all we are very happy with the purchase


I was reading the user manual online for these machines. All of the models spin at 1200rpm on the standard cotton wash, so have you tried turning yours up to 1600rpm using the button and do the clothes come up much drier. I had to go for the 1400 spin model so just wondering if i lost out on the extra spin speed.
#12
Does anyone else get confused by all the wash programs, too many options. We just mix all our clothes together and put them in a normal cottons wash. I have noticed that on all machines that have a short wash option, you can only put in half the weight of clothes, why is this?
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Besford
samwants2save
wonder what the wash results are like.. am in the market for a new washer.. was thinking to go for a miele...

any opinions?


If you have money to burn....................

Yes, they're highly rated but really silly money. Beko almost as good at one third the price (really).



Honestly, the wash performance might be almost as good as the Mile but having spent 7 years doing returns at a large electrical retailer I can happily tell you they are worlds apart build quality wise. Miele still stick to the tried and tested german service washer formula, they are built to last a minimum of 25 years and they guarantee them for 10. In that time you could have have 3-4 of most other washers unless you get a warranty. As someone mentioned the hotpoint 5 year parts warranty is a load of rubbish when labour is almost as much as an Audi dealer!

Interesting test you can do, take a 20p or 50p coin and rub the sharpest edge on a Miele, you will notice that you can't scratch the paint, the real quality comes from the detail and you would not begrudge paying the money when it's still going strong in 20 years!
#14
LOL @ Beko being as good as Miele... :D

Edited By: copea on Feb 11, 2011 07:31
#15
Got the 1400 spin for 400 a few weeks ago.. Damn.

But had a 4 year warranty. parts and labour, so not to bad, very very quite.and its heavy, took me and my brother in law just to shift.
1 Like #16
samwants2save
wonder what the wash results are like.. am in the market for a new washer.. was thinking to go for a miele...any opinions?

The best machine in the world in my opinion is the ISE10 it isn't cheap but not only do you get a TEN YEAR warranty but the wash results are superb. Also ....unlike ANY other brand when out of warranty the parts are sold profit free!

http://www.iseappliances.co.uk/ise/index.php/products/1607w-washing-machine
#17
I know a guy who repairs machines and used to work in the factory. He told me Hotpoint, Bosch, Zanussi, Indesit and a couple of others I can't remember the name of are all made in the same factory, same working parts and just a different badge on them. He told me to seriously stay away from all 4 and if we got 2 years out of any of them we would be lucky.
#18
silps
Does anyone else get confused by all the wash programs, too many options. We just mix all our clothes together and put them in a normal cottons wash. I have noticed that on all machines that have a short wash option, you can only put in half the weight of clothes, why is this?

If you use the right programme you will notice a huge difference in wash results! The reason for so many programmes is that they have to caver all the textile care labels in the clothes we buy......Imagiine if you bought an item of clothing with a label that said, for instance wash at 40 and your "Simple" machine only washed at 30 ,50 or 90.....You could complain that the machine was not fit for purpose!
#19
silps
Julan
We have the NA-168VG2 And we are very happy with this machine, Its so quiet that we now do washing at night, also the drum is very very large which has meant we do less washing cycles in a week.The only thing i would suggest is that you make sure you have 60-61cm depth for the machine to fit flush but all in all we are very happy with the purchase
I was reading the user manual online for these machines. All of the models spin at 1200rpm on the standard cotton wash, so have you tried turning yours up to 1600rpm using the button and do the clothes come up much drier. I had to go for the 1400 spin model so just wondering if i lost out on the extra spin speed.

Iwashed a towel and spun it at 1200 rpm took it out and put it in an old fashioned spin dryer then spun again at 2800 rpm, how much more water came out of the towel at the faster spin? A fer drops!
#20
You will need the warranty aswell, i had the 1600 spin one of these and it broke after 6 months so i called the engineer out and when he took the lid off all the inside was smashed to bits, a bolt snapped and and ripped all the drum open the engineer said he had never seen such damage to a washing machine. The only good thing i can say is Panasonic support was fantastic they helped no end and they said it was beyond repair and scrapped it Currys dragged the feet giving us our money back to replace it and Panasonic gave me £70 in good will to say sorry, I now have a direct drive LG and would never buy a Panasonic machine again.
#21
far-queue
silps
Julan
We have the NA-168VG2 And we are very happy with this machine, Its so quiet that we now do washing at night, also the drum is very very large which has meant we do less washing cycles in a week.The only thing i would suggest is that you make sure you have 60-61cm depth for the machine to fit flush but all in all we are very happy with the purchase
I was reading the user manual online for these machines. All of the models spin at 1200rpm on the standard cotton wash, so have you tried turning yours up to 1600rpm using the button and do the clothes come up much drier. I had to go for the 1400 spin model so just wondering if i lost out on the extra spin speed.
Iwashed a towel and spun it at 1200 rpm took it out and put it in an old fashioned spin dryer then spun again at 2800 rpm, how much more water came out of the towel at the faster spin? A fer drops!

Exactly many many gimmicks manufacturers use on machines these days to try and differentiate. Anything 1200 or above will be fine. If you want it cupboard dry you need a dryer anyway, not a faster machine

Voted hot as a good price and great warranty. Only reservation would be how much you will need to use the warranty (time will tell). Given the choice i would wait for a Siemens model with simialr spec and pay around this sort of money when they offer their 5 year warranties every so often
#22
If you want try reliablilty from a washing machine you should try and get one which was built 10 years ago. The Hotpoint Aquarius at that time is as reliable as anything and lasts forever. Basically it has no electronics which go wrong and parts are as cheap as chips.

If you want a modern machine, buy a Siemens. The Series IQ machine is without peers. A few years ago they were selling them with a 20 year guarantee......
#23
I did a lot of research 3 maybe 4 years back before I eventually went for a Bosch and have to say, touch wood, it's been great. I have had to fish the wifes bra wires out of the drum and last week replaced the motor brushes, it does get some stick! When you tilt the machine the build quality compared to others I have had the missfortune of owning is great!

I agree that most of the cheap end range come from same or similar manufacturers and the main bearings are not man enough to cope with higher spin speeds and hard water areas.

i went to a local parts centre and asked them what they thought was best of the low end stuff and they said without doubt Bendix? They also said don't get chasing super fast spin speeds, not needed and overstress the machines. Also if tumble drying repeat spin saves energy in the dryer!

For me its Bosch or Miele everytime. Picked up almost new second hand Miele dishwasher to replace a Hoptpoint that had died...the difference in quality, energy consumption, noise and finish to the pots is amazing...
3 Likes #24
polly69
You will need the warranty aswell, i had the 1600 spin one of these and it broke after 6 months so i called the engineer out and when he took the lid off all the inside was smashed to bits, a bolt snapped and and ripped all the drum open the engineer said he had never seen such damage to a washing machine. The only good thing i can say is Panasonic support was fantastic they helped no end and they said it was beyond repair and scrapped it Currys dragged the feet giving us our money back to replace it and Panasonic gave me £70 in good will to say sorry, I now have a direct drive LG and would never buy a Panasonic machine again.

Given your experience I would have bought another Panasonic. No product (no matter who it is made by) is exempt from failure, its how they behave in the event of such a failure which is important IMO. If Panasonic were as helpfull as you suggest only a fundemental flaw with the machines design would have prevented me buying another.
#25
I know a guy who repairs machines and used to work in the factory. He told me Hotpoint, Bosch, Zanussi, Indesit and a couple of others I can't remember the name of are all made in the same factory, same working parts and just a different badge on them. He told me to seriously stay away from all 4 and if we got 2 years out of any of them we would be lucky.


TOTAL CRAP. First Bosch washer 6 years old still working perfectly left in old house. Its still there still working after 10 years never been repaired. Second Bosch washer 5 years old still working perfectly as new, only fault or problem my wife left some fine tights in it which got stuck, no fault of machine £40 to have blockage removed - no damage. Bosch dishwasher, 7 years old never been repaired or looked at, still works perfectly.

Bosch appliances are made by Bosch and Bosch only so I suggest you get your facts right.


Edited By: alera on Feb 11, 2011 10:06
#26
£380 + £30 delivery with 5 year warranty (if purchased instore) here:

http://www.totaldigital.biz/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=3745¤cy=GBP

Is the extra year + buying from bigger retailer like JL worth paying an extra 10%? Personally I would say not, but then you'd have to be close to the other place to take advantage of the cheaper price.
#27
ristac
I know a guy who repairs machines and used to work in the factory. He told me Hotpoint, Bosch, Zanussi, Indesit and a couple of others I can't remember the name of are all made in the same factory, same working parts and just a different badge on them. He told me to seriously stay away from all 4 and if we got 2 years out of any of them we would be lucky.

I think you may have confused the brands here. Bosch is part of the same group as Siemens and Neff, therefore it would not for example be made in the same factory as Hotpoint.
#28
alera
TOTAL CRAP. First Bosch washer 6 years old still working perfectly left in old house. Its still there still working after 10 years never been repaired. Second Bosch washer 5 years old still working perfectly as new, only fault or problem my wife left some fine tights in it which got stuck, no fault of machine £40 to have blockage removed - no damage. Bosch dishwasher, 7 years old never been repaired or looked at, still works perfectly. Bosch appliances are made by Bosch and Bosch only so I suggest you get your facts right.

Calm down! No one person can judge the reliability of a whole brand based on anecdotal evidence like you have

Basic Bosch range stuff can be pretty budget these days and is not all made in same German factories as say Siemens stuff even though they are part of same BSH group

I very much doubt if Bosch and Hotpoint are assembled in same factories, they could share some common parts I guess (I doubt it but they could as parts are made the world over)
#29
davester2k
If you want try reliablilty from a washing machine you should try and get one which was built 10 years ago. The Hotpoint Aquarius at that time is as reliable as anything and lasts forever. Basically it has no electronics which go wrong and parts are as cheap as chips.If you want a modern machine, buy a Siemens. The Series IQ machine is without peers. A few years ago they were selling them with a 20 year guarantee......

I'd agree with you there. I've just had to replace our Hotpoint Aquarius WD61. It's about 11 ish years old and the only things I've had to replace were brushes and the interlock!
It was a washer dryer and has been fantastic. Read a lot of stuff on the web about not to buy Hotpoint anymore and was gonna buy a Bosch but then ended up buying a Candy (Model GOF662) from Tesco instore. 1600 spin with 6kg load
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Its worse than the FULL HD wars in here,..lol
#31
Bosch are made in Germany and lesser quality Bosch are made in Spain.

Hotpoint/Idesit are made in Poland and Italy, Used to be made in UK but recently moved to Poland.
#32
wewontgetfooleda
Its worse than the FULL HD wars in here,..lol


cold - no 3D spin or full HD washing resolution


:D


Edited By: spannerzone on Feb 11, 2011 13:01
#33
Mentos
£380 + £30 delivery with 5 year warranty (if purchased instore) here:


http://www.totaldigital.biz/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=3745¤cy=GBP

Is the extra year + buying from bigger retailer like JL worth paying an extra 10%? Personally I would say not, but then you'd have to be close to the other place to take advantage of the cheaper price.


Fill in this form and get JL to price match http://www.johnlewis.com/help/nkupricematchform.aspx

I bought mine instore so I have to price match a local store but if u get yours matched they might lower the price online for everyone.

JL will price match other online sites as long as the site also has a high street store.


Edited By: silps on Feb 11, 2011 13:29: More info
#34
Sister has just had this installed this morning. She got it from the Panasonic shop who was slightly cheaper at the time as my mum was buying several items and it was delivered, installed and old one removed all for free. There is currently a 2-4 week wait on them but she got hers on week 2 so not all that bad. Possibly because our Panasonic shop is run by Bennettes Electrical.
#35
Any Direct Drive brush-less washing machine should last ages provided it's been built half decently. That said the 6 years warranty is great for peace of mind, voted HOT HOT HOT.
#36
spannerzone
wewontgetfooleda
Its worse than the FULL HD wars in here,..lol


cold - no 3D spin or full HD washing resolution


:D



Read the specs above, it's got a 3D sensor wash and 3D acceleration sensor. It even weighs the load when you start the machine to achieve correct program settings. Beat that :D heheheh Only thing missing is being able to control it from an iPhone. Now if apple made washing machines that would be fun...

Edited By: silps on Feb 11, 2011 14:13
#37
polly69
You will need the warranty aswell, i had the 1600 spin one of these and it broke after 6 months so i called the engineer out and when he took the lid off all the inside was smashed to bits, a bolt snapped and and ripped all the drum open the engineer said he had never seen such damage to a washing machine. The only good thing i can say is Panasonic support was fantastic they helped no end and they said it was beyond repair and scrapped it Currys dragged the feet giving us our money back to replace it and Panasonic gave me £70 in good will to say sorry, I now have a direct drive LG and would never buy a Panasonic machine again.


Panasonic did all of that and still you bought elsewhere! No wonder manufacturers aren't very supportive. You have a right to buy where you wish of course but I'd call that bordering on disloyal.
#38
Does anyone know what Which has to say about this model exactly? Would save me bothering to subscribe and then cancel again, thanks.
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Ok for Everyones information regarding who makes what machines and rankings are below

1.Miele - Beats all other hands down
2.Bosch (Includes Siemens/Neff/Gaggenau) - Though old budget Bosch dishwashers were made in Spain by Fagor.
3.Panasonic - New to the Market and are very good. To the membe that brought a LG to replace a damaged Pansonic, oh dear bad mistake, direct drive's are not very good wait till the rotar goes.
4. Whirlpool (includes Bauknecht/Ignis)- Just to expensive now especially if it goes wrong, £50 for a knob anybody ?

Now the following 4 are all together quality wise, ie not very good nowadays
Electrolux Group (Zannusi,AEG,Tricity/Bendix/Load of John Lewis badged models)
Indesit Group (Indesit/Hotpoint/Ariston/Cannon)
Candy Group (Candy/Hoover/Kelvinator)
Group Brandt (DeDeitrich/Fagor)

Anybody else thats badges generic up turkish, polish, chinese models

Beko, Baumatic, All licenced badged models Kenwood, Russell Hobbs, Carlton, Haus,HEC, Bush,

Edited By: Kankan101 on Feb 11, 2011 19:58
#40
Anyone know if Comet offer the 6 year warranty as well? With the 5% discount code it works out cheaper......

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