Panasonic Viera TX-P50C2B Plasma HD Ready Digital Television, 50 Inch £599.00 @ John Lewis - HotUKDeals
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Hi all,

I am in the market for a new plasma TV and thought this was quite cheap for a 50 inch with 5 year warranty. I know its only HD ready so the 1080P guys will probably shoot it down! but for basic SD viewing its probably more than fine. There is the X20 which is £50 more but not sure what the differences are. let me know your thoughts on the TV.

Smart design and an excellent high definition picture combine on the Panasonic Viera TX-P50C2B plasma TV.
You’ll enjoy enhanced colour reproduction thanks to x.v.Colour technology. And thanks to 100Hz Double Speed motion technology images are smooth and flicker free. There’s also a dedicated Game Mode which enables quicker image response when connected your game console.

You’ll also enjoy atmospheric sound from the integral V-Audio sound system and a wide selection of channels thanks to its integrated digital tuner. An SD memory card slot lets you run a photo slideshow for family and friends on the big screen.

This television is ‘high definition ready’ which means it has the ability to display high definition signals with the addition of a separate HD receiver. HD broadcasts are at a much higher resolution than regular analogue or digital broadcasts and have greatly enhanced picture quality. The level of detail is astonishing with clearer, sharper and more vibrant images.
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#1
You said it already, but just to reiterate, at 50 inches you will definitely benefit from 1080p, especially if you are planning to keep it for 5 years. In fact, this is not even 720p as it's only 1024x768 which means it has rectangular pixels. Not good at all really. Personally I would either pay more for a 50" 1080p screen or get a 42" 1080p one and sit closer.
#2
I have to agree, it is a great price for an HD ready but if you enjoy blu-ray you will miss out on the sharp clear images that make so many films really exciting to watch. Unless you have a large living room 50" will mean you won't see all the detail either without moving your head all the time!
#3
alasrati
You said it already, but just to reiterate, at 50 inches you will definitely benefit from 1080p, especially if you are planning to keep it for 5 years. In fact, this is not even 720p as it's only 1024x768 which means it has rectangular pixels. Not good at all really. Personally I would either pay more for a 50" 1080p screen or get a 42" 1080p one and sit closer.


you'll definitely benefit from 1080p if you have blu ray, ps3 or use it as a PC monitor.

its not even 720p? then Panasonic should be sued under trade descriptions for saying its HD ready.

honestly, these TVs are the work of Satan himself.
how on earth anyone could even contemplate buying something like this, a good quality set from a very reputable manufacturer.
disgusting.
#4
alasrati
You said it already, but just to reiterate, at 50 inches you will definitely benefit from 1080p, especially if you are planning to keep it for 5 years. In fact, this is not even 720p as it's only 1024x768 which means it has rectangular pixels. Not good at all really. Personally I would either pay more for a 50" 1080p screen or get a 42" 1080p one and sit closer.


1024x768 is 720p.

Would not buy this myself due to the resolution but It is still a good plasma and will show a very good picture.

I think this is an excellent value TV for those who either don't care about the resolution, have slightly limited eyesight, or are watching from a large distance.

Also although there is a clear difference between 720p and 1080p, It doesn't stop 720p from looking great.

Edited By: derrycityboy on Aug 22, 2010 12:10: adding more text
#5
I know its only HD ready


for a 50"? Why bother?
#6
Good TV at a great price.

If, like me, you sit over 12 feet away from your TV, HD Ready is fine.
You would need to sit less than 6 feet away to see the difference between 1080 and 720
#7
mart_blade
I know its only HD ready


for a 50"? Why bother?


cos not everyone cares about blu ray movies.
and since HD TV isnt broadcast at 1080p, a 720p set is better for that.

720p is the work of the devil.
#8
derrycityboy
alasrati
You said it already, but just to reiterate, at 50 inches you will definitely benefit from 1080p, especially if you are planning to keep it for 5 years. In fact, this is not even 720p as it's only 1024x768 which means it has rectangular pixels. Not good at all really. Personally I would either pay more for a 50" 1080p screen or get a 42" 1080p one and sit closer.


1024x768 is 720p.

Would not buy this myself due to the resolution but It is still a good plasma and will show a very good picture.

I think this is an excellent value TV for those who either don't care about the resolution, have slightly limited eyesight, or are watching from a large distance.

Also although there is a clear difference between 720p and 1080p, It doesn't stop 720p from looking great.


720p is1280×720.
#9
le_jaeger
derrycityboy
alasrati
You said it already, but just to reiterate, at 50 inches you will definitely benefit from 1080p, especially if you are planning to keep it for 5 years. In fact, this is not even 720p as it's only 1024x768 which means it has rectangular pixels. Not good at all really. Personally I would either pay more for a 50" 1080p screen or get a 42" 1080p one and sit closer.


1024x768 is 720p.

Would not buy this myself due to the resolution but It is still a good plasma and will show a very good picture.

I think this is an excellent value TV for those who either don't care about the resolution, have slightly limited eyesight, or are watching from a large distance.

Also although there is a clear difference between 720p and 1080p, It doesn't stop 720p from looking great.


720p is1280×720.


So Panasonic are scamming us?
should be reported to watchdog
#10
HD Ready spec requires 720 vertical lines in a widescreen ratio, not necessarily 1280x720.
#11
The C models in the past had no screen filter fitted so they had very reflective screens. This will make a massive difference to viewing pleasure wereas the 720p nonsence will not.
#12
slackrat77
le_jaeger

720p is1280×720.


So Panasonic are scamming us?
should be reported to watchdog


Not quite - they don't actually state 720p.

The resolution here is just slightly below 720p, hence the generic tag of "HD Ready" which covers anything with more than 720 vertical lines !
banned#13
I bought a LG 50PK350 for £580 the other day and it's 1080p. Voted old
#14
Derriere
The C models in the past had no screen filter fitted so they had very reflective screens. This will make a massive difference to viewing pleasure wereas the 720p nonsence will not.


Yeh I can confirm the lack of a reflective filter here. I have a P42U10 which is not so great in high light conditions :(
#15
InterMilan2010
I bought a LG 50PK350 for £580 the other day and it's 1080p. Voted old


I'd much rather have a Panny over an LG any day. You get what you pay for
#16
My projector is only 1024x768 and the image is about 80-100 inches diagonally. Looks great to me. Xbox 360 has a builtin scaler as well so it can output 1024x768 which gives me an amazing picture for games.
#17
1024 x 768 must be an error... that's standard 4:3 resolution, not widescreen, and this is clearly a widescreen TV. It must be 1280 x 720.
#18
Ignore any bad comment above - for £600 who cares if it is true HD? If you want a cheap telly and a big picture - go for it. If you want something better - pay more for it. Simple!
#19
why oh why oh why oh why oh why...

do we get the same old arguments on here whenever someone posts a HD Ready Plasma?

Most new plasmas are 1080p full HD but there are plenty of bargain HD Ready plasmas out there and even with *only* 1024 x 720 resolution they will give a better picture than a lot of similar priced LCDs.

Check your facts:

HD Ready FACTS
#20
stezo2k
InterMilan2010
I bought a LG 50PK350 for £580 the other day and it's 1080p. Voted old


I'd much rather have a Panny over an LG any day. You get what you pay for


you say that but i bought a panny from the new 2010 range and it was only ok but not great so i swapped it for the lg 50pk590 and wow how much better.
#21
its only a bloody tv
#22
Guys, guys, guys. Panasonic are not scamming you and John lewis have not made an error.

As I said above, it's 1024x768 with RECTANGULAR PIXELS. If every pixel is wider than it is tall, then 1024x768 can be widescreen. It's common practice for HD Ready plasmas. It's pretty crap, but it's true.

1024x768 is an abysmal resolution. I have a laptop from ~11 years ago with that res. On a 50 inch screen it's going to be crap. To the guy with a 100 inch projection screen, borrow a high res projector and have your socks blown off.

To the guy who says HDTV isn't broadcast in 1080p so it's pointless having it in your TV if you don't watch Blu Rays. HD TV in the UK is 1080i. converting 1080i for display on a 1080p screen is straight forward: there is a direct mapping between lines of the broadcast to lines on the screen. Converting it to a 720p screen or, even worse, a 1024x768 screen involves a loss of signal information.

Trust me, if you are buying a 50 inch screen designed to last 3 or more years, invest in 1080p. On a smaller screen I would be less bothered about the res, as if you sit far enough away, your eyes physically can't resolve the difference.

Yes resolution is not everything, but it is a large factor. If you truly don't care about resolution and want the best quality (and have the room), then get a cheap CRT second-hand. You can get some high-end WEGAs for not too much and they have better picture quality than almost any Plasma let alone LCD.

And if that bloke who argues about the term "1080p" turns up, then I'm not here right. 8)
#23
Bought the 42" version for £399 earlier this year. On sky hd well pleased with picture, ordinary picture is so-so. It is a reflective screen like old 'normal' tellys and you just get used to it. Replaced a Sony32fx68 telly which had a great picture on normal signal, the best I had seen. Glad we changed though.
#24
slackrat77
alasrati
You said it already, but just to reiterate, at 50 inches you will definitely benefit from 1080p, especially if you are planning to keep it for 5 years. In fact, this is not even 720p as it's only 1024x768 which means it has rectangular pixels. Not good at all really. Personally I would either pay more for a 50" 1080p screen or get a 42" 1080p one and sit closer.


you'll definitely benefit from 1080p if you have blu ray, ps3 or use it as a PC monitor.

its not even 720p? then Panasonic should be sued under trade descriptions for saying its HD ready.

honestly, these TVs are the work of Satan himself.
how on earth anyone could even contemplate buying something like this, a good quality set from a very reputable manufacturer.
disgusting.


or NMT, which is best choice.
#25
I've got one and I love it - it is reflective (really only noticable at night time with dark images), so you need to give room lighting some thought. Easily done if you can be bothered.

According to specs:
1,024 x 768 (16:9)

FULL-HD 1125 (1080)/50i, 1125 (1080)/60i, 1125 (1080)/24p (HDMI only), 1125 (1080)/50p (HDMI only), 1125 (1080)/60p (HDMI only)

I run it in 1080p mode cos I don't know any better.
#26
BTW the clincher for me was the 5 year guarantee, which I figure is worth at least 150 ... giving you a quality 50" TV for just over £400! Beat that.
#27
People need to go into Currys or some other store and get a demonstration. The 1080p brigade will have you believing that it has to be 1080p but the reality is 50" has massive impact and if you are watching a lot of SD and using consoles which are only really 720p anyway its not going to make a huge amount of difference. If your sitting back a fair way you won't care about the difference anyway. Personally I feel the impact of having a large screen outweighs the fine detail of 1080p. 1080p is good to have but if I had budget of £500 and a choice between a 720p 50" plasma and a 1080p 42" plasma I would struggle to choose as the benefit of 1080p on a 42" screen would be generally wasted yet I could benefit from the sheer impact of a 50" screen. If you can afford a 50" 1080p set then the decision is easier but if you can't I'm pretty sure I would go with a 720p 50" set.
#28
MemoryMan
BTW the clincher for me was the 5 year guarantee, which I figure is worth at least 150 ... giving you a quality 50" TV for just over £400! Beat that.


how is their free warranty worth £150?
its free on all their TVs
so its not actually worth anything.

don't like the T&C where it says you might have to pay for the repair yourself and claim it back from them.
shocking.
So all they're doing is honouring the sale of goods act!
#29
slackrat77
MemoryMan
BTW the clincher for me was the 5 year guarantee, which I figure is worth at least 150 ... giving you a quality 50" TV for just over £400! Beat that.


how is their free warranty worth £150?
its free on all their TVs
so its not actually worth anything.

don't like the T&C where it says you might have to pay for the repair yourself and claim it back from them.
shocking.
So all they're doing is honouring the sale of goods act!


Hard to know how to value a extended warranty, Richer Sounds do a 5 year warranty for 10% of purchase price but Currys used to do a warranty for about £8 per month meaning getting on £500 for five years. TVs can go wrong and an extended warranty is peace of mind. You can go to court if it fails outside the 1 year but of course that takes time to organise and you have to take time off work to go to court and the consumer doesn't always win and there is a small chance of incurring the cost of court fees and the inspection of the product to proof its fault by a professional service engineer. Its not a quick and easy process unless the retailer accepts your claim without a court procedure. Generally you are better off just looking for a tv with a 5 year warranty in the first place.

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