Pinnacle 3010IX PCTV Dual Hybrid Pro PVR / PCI Express / DVB-T/Analogue TV Tuner / Whitebox £17.99 & Free Delivery - HotUKDeals
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Hardware
Interface: PCI Express rev. 3.0
Tuners: Frequency range 45.75.. 863.25 MHz (VHF and UHF)
DVB-T COFDM Demodulators: Supported modulations 16, 64 QAM, QPSK, Bandwidths 6, 7, 8 MHz
Antenna inputs: IEC connectors
PCB dimensions: 170(L) x 68(H)
TV Recording Formats
MPEG-2 in native DVB quality or (re-)compressed to quality levels DVD or DVD long
MPEG-1 (VCD)
DivX (HomeTheater/Portable/Handheld Profile)
MPEG-4 (compatible with portable media players)
May not be in stock atm, but this is hard to beat price wise, even if there is a bit of a wait. Card is for PCIX computers only. It is not a cheap laptop usb stick.
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#1
No Stock.
#2
You can still place the order, and play are pretty good, usually not out of stock for long. Guarenteed these will be snapped up when they come in, quality dual digital tuner for £18!! I bought 2, one for the media center pc, and another for my main machine. Bargain IMO
#3
u can get it cheaper 4 9.99 @ big pockets

voted cold
#4
Katie Greggs
u can get it cheaper 4 9.99 @ big pockets

voted cold


Are you sure - nothing on the site as far as I can see
#5
have a look 4 yesterday
#6
Katie Greggs
have a look 4 yesterday


Is it the ATMT USB stick you're talking about. The Pinnacle device is much more useful item as it's dual tuner, so you can watch one programme whilst recording another or (I presume) record two programs at once. Essentially gives your computer full PVR capability. Also don't forget Bigpockets charge quite a lot for P&P, so all in this is a much much better deal.
#7
great deal, this is currently on 'super special' with Aria at 17.95+6.95P&P+VAT(=29.26) !! which i very nearly bought yesterday.
So £17.99 all-in with Play is great deal. (even if currently out of stock its worth waiting for)
#8
but u ca'nt put it in a lap top and the other one is usb stick
#9
Katie Greggs
but u ca'nt put it in a lap top and the other one is usb stick


Yes, you're right there - really depends on how you want to use them. The ATMT is great for portabilty (I've got a Hauppauge stick myself) but the Pinnacle would form the basis of a great media centre PC.
#10
A little misleading if you ask me, as far as I can see it's only dual tuner in so far as it has 1 x DVB-T and 1 x analogue so you can only watch 1-5 and record freeview or watch a freeview and record 1-5 you can't watch a freeview channel and record another freeview channel or record two freeview channels at a time. Not to mention you have to have 2 x aerials going to it to achieve dual ability. I'd rather pay a little more and get one with a single input and dual freeview.

This is also PCI-E. For those unfamiliar or have an older PC you'd do well to check out if you have PCI-E ability.

Just a point
#11
ms2005
A little misleading if you ask me, as far as I can see it's only dual tuner in so far as it has 1 x DVB-T and 1 x analogue so you can only watch 1-5 and record freeview or watch a freeview and record 1-5 you can't watch a freeview channel and record another freeview channel or record two freeview channels at a time. Not to mention you have to have 2 x aerials going to it to achieve dual ability. I'd rather pay a little more and get one with a single input and dual freeview.

This is also PCI-E. For those unfamiliar or have an older PC you'd do well to check out if you have PCI-E ability.

Just a point


Its dual freeview and dual analogue, and you only need one aerial source.
#12
kandinsky
Its dual freeview and dual analogue, and you only need one aerial source.


no, i had a look at this the other day m8, its only dual tuner i.e. 1.analogue and 1 dvb-t other wise i would have snapped it up and as a hybrid card it aint that cheap, but not terrible either
I have an ati all in wonder which requires 2 aeriels otherwise u can only watch what the aeriel is plugged into
#13
maddogb
no, i had a look at this the other day m8, its only dual tuner i.e. 1.analogue and 1 dvb-t other wise i would have snapped it up and as a hybrid card it aint that cheap, but not terrible either
I have an ati all in wonder which requires 2 aeriels otherwise u can only watch what the aeriel is plugged into


Where did you look?
According to the Pinnacle website, you can record two DVB-T and /or analogue programmes.
http://www.pinnaclesys.com/PublicSite/uk/Products/Consumer+Products/PCTV+Tuners/PCTV+Analog_Digital+PVR/PCTV+Dual+Hybrid+Pro+PCIe.htm
Check out the manual here:
[url]ftp://ftp.pinnaclesys.de/Manual/MediaCenter%20-%20TVCenter%20V.4/PCTV3010iX_EN.pdf[/url]

Also, reviewer on Aria website confirms one aerial input is all that is required:
https://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Pinnacle+Dual+Freeview%2FAnalogue+PCI-E+TV+Tuner+-+OEM+?productId=28679

Am I missing something?

Les
#14
ms2005
A little misleading if you ask me, as far as I can see it's only dual tuner in so far as it has 1 x DVB-T and 1 x analogue so you can only watch 1-5 and record freeview or watch a freeview and record 1-5 you can't watch a freeview channel and record another freeview channel or record two freeview channels at a time. Not to mention you have to have 2 x aerials going to it to achieve dual ability. I'd rather pay a little more and get one with a single input and dual freeview.


"PCTV 3010iX is a PCI Express dual hybrid tuner card. It allows you to recieve digital terrestrial TV (DVD-T), analogue TV and FM radio. Depending on the antenna signals connected and software you are using, you can freely choose the two channels to be recieved/recorded at the same time.

- 2 DVB-T channels (TV or radio) or
- 1 analog channel (TV or radio) plus 1 DVB-T channel (TV or radio ) or
- 2 analog channels (TV or radio)"

Ordered, thanks :thumbsup:
#15
lesliekerr
Where did you look?
According to the Pinnacle website, you can record two DVB-T and /or analogue programmes.
http://www.pinnaclesys.com/PublicSite/uk/Products/Consumer+Products/PCTV+Tuners/PCTV+Analog_Digital+PVR/PCTV+Dual+Hybrid+Pro+PCIe.htm
Check out the manual here:
[url]ftp://ftp.pinnaclesys.de/Manual/MediaCenter%20-%20TVCenter%20V.4/PCTV3010iX_EN.pdf[/url]

Also, reviewer on Aria website confirms one aerial input is all that is required:
https://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecials/Pinnacle+Dual+Freeview%2FAnalogue+PCI-E+TV+Tuner+-+OEM+?productId=28679

Am I missing something?

Les


Have had to ask myself same question several times lol, as far as i can see the 3010 is not the same as the dual hybrid pro card.
I see what you mean about that manual tho, it is very confusing and having been bitten by this before i wouldn't like to place my money on it.
From something i have read before it is possible to record/watch two dvb-t streams from a single tuner but if true this based on the software, requiring;
a to only use the pinnacle software to do it
b a lot of cpu time
Its apparent that neither retailers reviews or pinnacle can be trusted to write clear guides and specs, so any who get this i wold be glad to guide on testing what is true or not
#16
Already detailed in the comments posted for the following Aria related links:
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/168565/pinnacle-dual-freeview-analogue-pci/
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/132396/pinnacle-dual-hybrid-pro-pcie-tv-tu/
The comments may help readers of this post.
I ordered when they were on pre-order and stated due in 31/03/2008 - still no stock and no updates from Play.
Thanks for posting anyway.
#17
A word of warning in case anyone else is in the same boat as me....

I would like this card, and spec-wise my computer can handle it - it has PCI x1 and PCI x16 slots.

However, the PCI x16 slot is occupied by a video card that overlaps the PCI x1 slot - therefore the x1 slot is unuseable.

So I'll have to give it a miss..:x.....voted hot though.

Les
#18
kandinsky
Its dual freeview and dual analogue, and you only need one aerial source.

I have one of these cards and it requires two aerial inputs to use both tuners. I contacted Pinnacle Tech support for confirmation and they just replied, ‘Yes, if you want to use both tuners you will need to use 2 antennas ‘. Not sure where you got your information from! :thinking:
#19
these are now back in stock @ play.com :-))
just got the email to say mines posted too....
#20
Agharta
I have one of these cards and it requires two aerial inputs to use both tuners. I contacted Pinnacle Tech support for confirmation and they just replied, ‘Yes, if you want to use both tuners you will need to use 2 antennas ‘. Not sure where you got your information from! :thinking:


Most likely mediabuilder's review over on Aria's forums where they state:

This is a great dual tuner for a vista media center box. I was a little concerned that it would need 2 aerial cables to work both tuners simultaneously (as there are 2 plugs) - IT DOESN'T - I only have one lead plugged in and am able to record from 2 completely separates muxes at the same time with no problems. Exacltly what I wanted at a great price - highly recommended.


Mine's been posted!


Same here :thumbsup:
#21
Hyperdrive
Most likely mediabuilder's review over on Aria's forums

That’s what I thought which drives home the point that you shouldn’t rely on anecdotal evidence of that kind. I’ve seen enough baloney posted on this site about PCs which confirms that.
#22
Hyperdrive
Most likely mediabuilder's review over on Aria's forums where they


Think someat dodgy goin on with arias reviews, wouldn't trust em
ps agharta pls ref other thread on these
#23
theres been a lot of comment about whether or not this will work with 1 or 2 aerial connections
and whether it will record 1 DVB channel & one analogue, or two DVB channels simutaneously.

I've just set mine up, with a single aerial connection on Vista Media Centre. (no extra drivers were required Vista recognised the card straight away.) :thumbsup:

It can record two DVB channels simultaneously. (or record one whilst you watch another etc) :w00t:

the reason it has two aerial connections is in case you want to connect to two different sources, eg an aerial and also the rf output from a cable/sky or other box. (but that would need an extra infra-red controller to control the other box - i understand these are available with MCE remotes, but havent tried)
#24
Thanks for the info m1kes, may get one now.

I assume the quality is good and the reception is ok, my current one has trouble finding some channels where my freeview box doesn't have a problem.
#25
m1kes
It can record two DVB channels simultaneously. (or record one whilst you another etc) :w00t:

All DVB-T tuner cards can do that even if they have one tuner provided both channels are broadcast on the same multiplex. E.g. you can record BBC1 whilst watching BBC2 but can’t record BBC1 whilst viewing ITV1. Try the later as if it can do that it confirms that it’s using both tuners.

Pinnacle tech support specifically told me that you need two aerial inputs to use both tuners but I’ve also heard anecdotal evidence elsewhere that if you have a strong enough signal you can use both tuners with one aerial input. :thinking:

"The Pinnacle 3010iX isn't too bad, but you're right about having to feed both inputs in order for it to work. It's supposed to share the signal from a single input to both tuners, but in my experience it sometimes "forgets" to do that. "
#26
as far as i can tell you dont need two aerial inputs...

>> E.g. you can record BBC1 whilst watching BBC2 but can’t record BBC1 whilst viewing ITV1. Try the later as if it can do that it confirms that it’s using both tuners.

Its currently recording bbc1 & i'm watching ITV, it works, no problem, (- except that you've got me watching daytime TV, help!!!!)

>>I assume the quality is good and the reception is ok

reception is fine for me, but thats very dependent the signal strength in your area, all freeview devices need a much stronger signal input than for analogue tv - thats why so many people have to upgrade their aerials after switching to freeview . (and you need to be very, very lucky to get anything decent with one of those silly whip aerials that come with most of the usb sticks.)
#27
Thanks m1kes. It’s good to know that it’s possible but it doesn’t seem guaranteed which is a shame. I have a good signal here and my Terratec Cinergy 2400i DT picks up all the channels for both tuners with a single aerial feed with no problem, the Pinnacle is turning out to be a pain though.

Which of the inputs are you using? I had to set the scan quality in the Pinnacle software to Best otherwise it completely missed 3 multiplexes; it takes over half an hour to scan in this mode!
When I scanned in DVBViewer it also missed some multiplexes and the way around that is to add a Registry setting which forces the Pinnacle driver to scan in a deeper mode I think. It works anyway and it picked up all the multiplexes although I have other issues with DVBViewer and this card.

For anyone that has troubling scanning all the channels using other software try this:

“I suspect that your problem with channels not being found is due to the default configuration not supporting automatic offset locking. You can enable it by setting EnableAutoOffset to 1 in the Registry, as a DWORD. To find the location to where to create EnableAutoOffset search for TDA8275A_LNA_ and create it in the same location. Reboot after making the change.”
#28
I've just used a cheapo aerial that I already had spare, it is wired to the ANT-1 input nothing else is connected.
(its a Wilko own brand 'Digital TV aerial for strong signal areas' it was about £6 , small loft/external type aerial, but is currently just sat on the floor by the pc for now)

I'm using Vista's media centre software, no other drivers, tweaks, or any of Pinnacle's s/w loaded.

it took a couple of minutes to scan & find all the channels (finding 56 ).
#29
It may be that the Vista drivers are better than the XP ones! :w00t: Hold the front page. :)
#30
I’ve persevered with the card and it’s now recording from 2 MUXs simultaneously. I don’t know why it’s suddenly started to work or if it will continue but for now I’m pleased. :)

The Pinnacle software allows you to record 2 channels only although they can be on different MUXs. When you’re making 2 recordings you can’t view a 3 rd channel even if it’s on the same MUX as one of those you’re recording.

I’m testing the card with DVBViewer which I can recommend and it’s currently recording 3 channels whilst I view a third.
#31
Is this card a hardaware or software mpeg decoder thx
#32
ramtec
Is this card a hardaware or software mpeg decoder thx

AFAIK none of these cards have hardware decoders for MPEG2 as this functionality has been built into VGA chips for many years now so it places minimum load on a system. The TV viewing software offloads the decoding to the VGA chip basically.

You may be confusing this with hardware MPEG2 encoders, as there are some dual tuner analogue cards that have built in hardware encoders which allows them to encode two analogue channels simultaneously without requiring much CPU assistance. Otherwise it would place a not insignificant stress on the CPU.
AFAIK none of these cards have hardware decoders for MPEG2 as this functionality has been built into VGA chips for many years now so it places minimum load on a system. The TV viewing software offloads the decoding to the VGA chip basically.

You may be confusing this with hardware MPEG2 encoders, as there are some dual tuner analogue cards that have built in hardware encoders which allows them to encode two analogue channels simultaneously without requiring much CPU assistance. Otherwise it would place a not insignificant stress on the CPU.
#33
ordered one of this after finding this post when the op reposted last night thanks to op repost was usefull to me even if you did get flamed for repost.
#34
tel2004
ordered one of this after finding this post when the op reposted last night thanks to op repost was usefull to me even if you did get flamed for repost.


Reposts are not necessary, would you like the forum filling up with re-posts, no. That's why they're removed. A bump would have been fine if there was any new info to give.
#35
Still not convinced this is a hot deal due to the fact no one has actually reported the ability to record/watch two seperate dvb-t channels using any software!
If this is a genuine twin dvb-t tuner why do they sell the 7010x at much higher price?
if it can do it in media portal then it is a dual if not then its an avg deal
#36
maddogb
Still not convinced this is a hot deal due to the fact no one has actually reported the ability to record/watch two seperate dvb-t channels using any software!
If this is a genuine twin dvb-t tuner why do they sell the 7010x at much higher price?
if it can do it in media portal then it is a dual if not then its an avg deal


Agharta
I’ve persevered with the card and it’s now recording from 2 MUXs simultaneously. I don’t know why it’s suddenly started to work or if it will continue but for now I’m pleased. :)

The Pinnacle software allows you to record 2 channels only although they can be on different MUXs. When you’re making 2 recordings you can’t view a 3 rd channel even if it’s on the same MUX as one of those you’re recording.

I’m testing the card with DVBViewer which I can recommend and it’s currently recording 3 channels whilst I view a third.




Doesn't that say that it can?

EDIT - What makes DVBViewer any better than media center, wondering if it's worth the swap?
#37
Benjimoron
Doesn't that say that it can?

EDIT - What makes DVBViewer any better than media center, wondering if it's worth the swap?


When i said any software i should have said ALL software sorry, not tried dbb viewer but presume its a bit more tv orientated than media center/media portal
#38
maddogb
When i said any software i should have said ALL software sorry, not tried dbb viewer but presume its a bit more tv orientated than media center/media portal


ah I see, I'll let you know in a few days what it'll do with media center, but if you've got to use dvbviewer that's not a problem is it?
#39
Benjimoron
ah I see, I'll let you know in a few days what it'll do with media center, but if you've got to use dvbviewer that's not a problem is it?


it is for my gf lol, i only let her use the remote, wouldn't trust her with a keyboard and sorta defeats the object of the htpc
#40
maddogb
it is for my gf lol, i only let her use the remote, wouldn't trust her with a keyboard and sorta defeats the object of the htpc


It looked like dvbviewer worked ok with a remote from the screenshots.

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