Pioneer Kuro PDPSX4280 - **REIGATE ONLY - ONE LEFT** - £399.99 at RicherSounds Reigate - HotUKDeals
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Heads up for those near reigate/south london after an awesome tv :)

A pioneer kuro has just popped up for £400 in richer sounds in Reigate :)

I don't really care if people say this is cold because in my opinion, its scorching, but there is only one left so hope this helps, k?
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These any good? ;)

Edited By: Monkey nuts 2 on Jun 12, 2011 16:12
#2
Strange deal but pioneer are brilliant. Creme dela creme. I believe they have stop making TV's right?
#3
I posted a heads up for one in birmingham a little while back at £500 and that got praise... This is even hotter... And yes they have, but the warranty is valid with panasonic I think?
#4
Monkey nuts 2
These any good? ;)

still (one of the) best plasma tv ever made
TEDDYRUKSPIN
Strange deal but pioneer are brilliant. Creme dela creme. I believe they have stop making TV's right?

yes
#5
Mega!
#6
fromabroad
Monkey nuts 2
These any good? ;)

still (one of the) best plasma tv ever made
TEDDYRUKSPIN
Strange deal but pioneer are brilliant. Creme dela creme. I believe they have stop making TV's right?

yes


You're alright, I was kidding.

The only thing worrying me about this set is the condition. I've gone to get a last item before from RS and the item was quite scratched up. Even at the heavily disounted price I wouldnt have touched it.
#7
unknown brand, HD ready, old..



Edited By: joeprosho on Jun 12, 2011 17:04
#8
There is one in RS Weybridge.. minus the media box 60" for around £2k

No media box = no HDMI input or any standard input.

Called Pioneer and they don't sell the media box and on ebay the media box costs £1k!

Agree the gen 9 2009 model were very good and still are the best picture.



Edited By: frownbreaker on Jun 12, 2011 17:31
#9
Very cool price. I'm surprised anyone has any of these now. Shame it's not the more featured model 428XD.
#10
http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/products/archive/PDP-SX4280D/index.html

Resolution (horizontal x vertical) 1,024 x 768 not sure if not being 1090p matters given the size and incredible range of this panel.

Still a lovely set I wonder if it comes with the full 5 year warantee from Pioneer, if there is a remaining warantee Pioneer do allow transfer of the warantee from the original owner, they need some thing in writing requesting this and they will write back confirming.

Its sad that the Kuro production line was shutdown and Pioneer sold the rights to this technology to Panasonic.

Panny have not introduced the manganese reset to zero the luminance so none of the panels including the new ones for 2011 come close to the image quality of the Series 8 and 9 Kuros...

The LED back lits are not even close to handling the range that the old Kuro units can do :(

On the plus side the new TVs cost a LOT less, so one can see why Pioneer had to pull out as price became and remains a driving factor.


Edited By: frownbreaker on Jun 12, 2011 18:33
#11
frownbreaker
[url=http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/products/archive/PDP-SX4280D/index.html]Panny have not introduced the manganese reset to zero the luminance so none of the panels including the new ones for 2011 come close to the image quality of the Series 8 and 9 Kuros...


So Panny have not taken on this technology then?

The LED back lits are not even close to handling the range that the old Kuro units can do :(

On the plus side the new TVs cost a LOT less, so one can see why Pioneer had to pull out as price became and remains a driving factor.



I wonder if the Pionner's were really so special in technology that they had to be priced as such? It's not like they were a specialist company making products to order or in small quantities.
#12
Kulaak

So Panny have not taken on this technology then?
I wonder if the Pionner's were really so special in technology that they had to be priced as such? It's not like they were a specialist company making products to order or in small quantities.


Was just listening to the "the Tech guy" radio show on TWIT Live and Scott Wilkinson interviewed the CTO of Panasonic NA and asked about the Kuro.

The CTO explained that Panasonic had purchase all the patents for flat screen from Pioneer and some of the engineers from Pioneer had joined Panasonic. He made clear that the approach was to improve the current sets made by Panasonic (less ghosting etc). Scott pointed out that the new 2011 Panasonic Plasmas approach the contrast of the Kuro series but of course had IP TV, much better power consumption, price etc..

Pioneer did have a special plant to make Kuros the production line was a record breaking 2km long to house the end to end fabrication. Pioneer had 2 problems 1) Small company small user base so their prices were high 2) The cost of flat panel production and research is massive compared to audio there original area of expertise 3) The credit crunch collapsed the demand for high end flat panels.

Post the credit crunch the panel industry globally restructured moving to low cost, high volume production lines something that the low volume 2km plan that Pioneer ran just would not compete with so they sold up all the flat panel plant, patents and peoples to Panasonic.

Panasonic have been evolving their plasma offerings faster than Samsung both make great plasma sets. LG focus on the value end of the Plasma market still offering a good picture.
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frownbreaker
Kulaak

So Panny have not taken on this technology then?
I wonder if the Pionner's were really so special in technology that they had to be priced as such? It's not like they were a specialist company making products to order or in small quantities.


Was just listening to the "the Tech guy" radio show on TWIT Live and Scott Wilkinson interviewed the CTO of Panasonic NA and asked about the Kuro.

The CTO explained that Panasonic had purchase all the patents for flat screen from Pioneer and some of the engineers from Pioneer had joined Panasonic. He made clear that the approach was to improve the current sets made by Panasonic (less ghosting etc). Scott pointed out that the new 2011 Panasonic Plasmas approach the contrast of the Kuro series but of course had IP TV, much better power consumption, price etc..

Pioneer did have a special plant to make Kuros the production line was a record breaking 2km long to house the end to end fabrication. Pioneer had 2 problems 1) Small company small user base so their prices were high 2) The cost of flat panel production and research is massive compared to audio there original area of expertise 3) The credit crunch collapsed the demand for high end flat panels.

Post the credit crunch the panel industry globally restructured moving to low cost, high volume production lines something that the low volume 2km plan that Pioneer ran just would not compete with so they sold up all the flat panel plant, patents and peoples to Panasonic.

Panasonic have been evolving their plasma offerings faster than Samsung both make great plasma sets. LG focus on the value end of the Plasma market still offering a good picture.


Thanks. Very interesting. It still sounds like that Kuro has not been adopted but some other less costly method that is now catching up with said technology. Such a shame when good ideas come out and get brushed aside.

So the question is.... buy a new current (1080i) Panny or old Pioneer (1024)?

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