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Potterton Titanium 40kw combi boiler + Salus RT500RF Prog thermostat, flue, Trappex filter/cleanser/protector + 7yr warranty - Mr Central Heating - £1,031.00 inc del

£1031.00 @ Mr Central Heating
I am living in a large 5-bed period house with 2 bathrooms (one of which has an electric shower) and 17 radiators, so was looking for a powerful combi boiler that can giving enough heating output and … Read More
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I am living in a large 5-bed period house with 2 bathrooms (one of which has an electric shower) and 17 radiators, so was looking for a powerful combi boiler that can giving enough heating output and at an affordable price. This is a big combi boiler with 7 yr warranty and 40kw output (and important 34kw CH output for all those radiators).

I decided to pair this up with a Salus programmable thermostat to control the boiler and thermostat. When you see that Worcester charge £200 for the equivalent Comfort 2 programmable thermostat, it puts into context what great value this is. Yes, it's not a fancy Nest or Hive programmable stat, and it's not a big name brand, but it works great. Link for Salus RT500RF Programmable Thermostat: https://www.mrcentralheating.co.uk/salus-wireless-programmable-room-thermostat-rt500rf-pack#.V_qKTZMrI6g

This boiler comes bundled with a horizontal flue, mechanical clock, the Trappex pack, composed of a magnetic filter, cleanser and protector. You may wish to choose another filter (ADEY Magna products are very good). Note you can get this boiler for £900 from this company if you want a different filter & chemicals (but do make sure you buy a filter and get your system flushed and protected - it's a false economy not to do so): http://www.jtatkinson.co.uk/potterton-titanium-40kw-combi-erp-with-std-horizontal-flue-built-in-clock-7-year-warranty.html?gclid=CMuv24emzs8CFdU_GwodcAcMdw

Use DELFREE16 code for free delivery (the DELFREE15 code has expired).

Lastly, if you need new radiators I would recommend Brooklyn traders or Screwfix - have a search on HUKD for threads on these rad deals. They both have good prices for compact radiators. If you need TRVs (thermostatic radiator valves) and lockshield valves for your rads, you can typically get a twin packs for £7 each.

Really hope this deal helps someone as we get closer to winter and the cold bites. For working-class people that don't qualify for grants, haver a limited budget, and live in draughty big houses, this is a great deal. The equivalent Worcester setup (Worcester Greenstar 40cdi with Worcester comfort 2 programmable theormostat, worcester filter, adey cleanser and protector chemicals) is around £2200+.

Potterton is pretty much the same as Baxi (the Baxi 40kw equivalent is a bit more expensive). I would also heartily recommend the Ideal Vogue 40kw combi boiler which comes with a 10yr warranty. I find these boilers to provide excellent reliability and value. Worcester and Vaillant have a lot of hype behind them (they are both excellent, don't get me wrong), but these systems if installed properly should give you years of good service and are backed up with a solid warranty. Just ensure you get the boiler serviced once a year to maintain your warranty.

Please don't get cained off by exorbitant quotes from accredited installers (I am finding a lot of them to be extremely cocky these days .. give me a break with your constant complaining about having TOO much work, and trying to pull a fast one with your silly quotes), or utterly ripped off by British Gas!! British Gas quoted me over £10,000 (shame on you). If you have a trustworthy gas-registered engineer, you can purchase the materials yourself and agree a fair price with them for labour and required extras (copper piping, etc). You CAN get this type of work done well for a fair price - just be wise with your spend, don't take shortcuts, take your time and shop around for good materials and a good engineer to do the work for you. I am not an expert by any means (just a layperson sharing hours and hours of research done in the hope it helps someone in a similar position to me).
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Would steer clear of this myself. Don't get me wrong, there are worse Boilers out there.... But wouldn't have any dealings with the baxi Potterton group Boilers anymore as they have overlooked some key parts in accessibility for maintenance (I'm a gas engineer).
I agree that Worcester get alot more hype than they deserve in my opinion as whilst well made Boilers, they aren't always logically designed.... (I'm looking at you pressure relief valve on the greenstars! Lol)
Vaillant boilers on the other hand are easy to maintain and most parts can be changed in alot shorter duration (thus reducing cost in long run as less hours labour to pay for) e.g.main Heat exchanger on the Vaillants on a sealed system can be changed out in around 25 minutes. Where as you can be looking into multiple hours for certain other brands/models of boilers.

Obviously feel free to ignore my message of help... After all the baxi and other brand boilers be less reliable means more work for us gas engineers lol :-D


On a side note OP if you have bought this already then I wish you luck (not being sarcastic here) with it and hope you don't have any issues.... I have had the odd Ideal icos/isar without any issues.... And that's saying something....
And there's even the odd Potterton suprima out there with the original ill designed pcb running strong (what they were actually on watchdog for yet refused to accept fault). So there are exceptions out there lol hopefully yours is one of them.

That's enough work talk for me anyway.....

I'm off to scroll some more deals that aren't work related :p
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Just a a few words of guidance on boiler brand/model. Strictly speaking brand/model doesn't matter for reliability. However, design of heat exchanger in regards of maintenance is an issue. Perfect example... Potterton promax/baxi duo-tec/other rebadged promax Boilers have a heat exchanger where half cannot be cleaned out at all. There is literally no access to the back section software the heat exchanger which accounts for 50% of the unit..... This in turn results in restriction in the flue ways, resulting in excess heat build up within the appliance leading to leaks on seals, distortion of metal components and sometimes even fume leakage. Worst part is this restriction doesn't even always show on an emissions test which is carried out on a service.... And since there is no access to inspect that chamber it will likely continue unnoticed until damage is caused requiring a whole new heat exchanger.... Which is extremely pricey and labour intensive.... Couple that with some of the manufacturers only making spares up until their legal obligation (10 years) and you'll likely be spending more in the long run even discounting days taken off work waiting in for engineer, inconveniences caused, cost of labour etc.



Also I would not fit a new condensing boiler onto an older system without a proper power flush of the system done first! One of the ways the newer Boilers achieve a higher efficiency is by having smaller water ways to increase surface area for heat transfer..... Throwing one of these newer Boilers on a dirty system just because the quote was cheaper is not advisable and again will in most cases result in alot heavier costs not too far down the line.

The filters are great to have but always class them as a preventative rather than a solution.

Firstly have a full flush done on the system (and not a drain down and refill like some people like to claim a flush is!!)
Then have a replacement boiler with filter installed on return pipe before going back to boiler.
Also put chemical inhibitor solution in the heating system and ensure it is correctly dosed and topped up with any system drainages that are performed.

I have no affiliation with any brand of boiler in particular, however from whats currently on the market I would install a Vaillant. That may change as years go on (ideal classic, the old generation of Potterton profile and the baxi solo Boilers used to be the most reliable Boilers out there.... Unfortunately it doesn't appear to be the case for those manufacturers anymore)

People often fall into the trap by thinking the last boiler lasted a long time and therefore this generation of boiler from the same brand will be the same. Which sadly isn't the case. As things stand I would go Vaillant (model depends on system requirements, output needs, combi vs conventional system etc) . If things change and another model pops up on here then I'll advise differently when the time comes.

Hopefully this helps someone. I've managed to get some good deals on items by people contributing to this site so just wanted to put a little bit back into it and hopefully save some people some money along the way.

Literally gain nothing out of this myself and have not meant to bash your deal OP.

Over and out :D8)
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Heat for the deal, advice and effort!
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dlloyd1980
pay cheap pay twice


Well, use it for 7 years and through it away !!
Makes sense
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My respectful opinion - We shouldn't judge people and their individual situation, and should keep class out of this discussion. Better to stick to discussion on this deal and heating systems in general.

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Heat for the deal, advice and effort!
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heat for the story
#3
pay cheap pay twice
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dlloyd1980
pay cheap pay twice


Well, use it for 7 years and through it away !!
Makes sense
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dlloyd1980
pay cheap pay twice

Please can you substantiate your comment. There's cheap, and then there's smart. These are good products.
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Your description just sells this for me too plus we've got a baxi potterton and it continues to perform brilliantly after around 12 years, never had a problem with it and it's never even been serviced!

Heat.
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On look for a boiler package as im currently in the process of purchasing a new property which needs a complete overall of the hotwater/heating system. Thanks op
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Well researched and wise words Reference installation, Hot from me OP.
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dlloyd1980
pay cheap pay twice


whilst that is true. I can buy a boiler for £400. Over £1k and buying good filters, cleaning system etc and a 7 year warranty is not buying cheap and this boiler if properly serviced every year or two will probably last 10 to 20 years. by this time technology will have moved on and you will want a replacement anyway.
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Would steer clear of this myself. Don't get me wrong, there are worse Boilers out there.... But wouldn't have any dealings with the baxi Potterton group Boilers anymore as they have overlooked some key parts in accessibility for maintenance (I'm a gas engineer).
I agree that Worcester get alot more hype than they deserve in my opinion as whilst well made Boilers, they aren't always logically designed.... (I'm looking at you pressure relief valve on the greenstars! Lol)
Vaillant boilers on the other hand are easy to maintain and most parts can be changed in alot shorter duration (thus reducing cost in long run as less hours labour to pay for) e.g.main Heat exchanger on the Vaillants on a sealed system can be changed out in around 25 minutes. Where as you can be looking into multiple hours for certain other brands/models of boilers.

Obviously feel free to ignore my message of help... After all the baxi and other brand boilers be less reliable means more work for us gas engineers lol :-D


On a side note OP if you have bought this already then I wish you luck (not being sarcastic here) with it and hope you don't have any issues.... I have had the odd Ideal icos/isar without any issues.... And that's saying something....
And there's even the odd Potterton suprima out there with the original ill designed pcb running strong (what they were actually on watchdog for yet refused to accept fault). So there are exceptions out there lol hopefully yours is one of them.

That's enough work talk for me anyway.....

I'm off to scroll some more deals that aren't work related :p
#11
waaqii
On look for a boiler package as im currently in the process of purchasing a new property which needs a complete overall of the hotwater/heating system. Thanks op

My pleasure. I selected this boiler as my house actually has quite a low requirement for hot water, but has a high demand on the heating side. The 34kw CH output on this one topped the 30kw CH output on Worcester's most powerful wallhung boiler (Greenstar 40CDi), Vaillants (only 28kw CH).

I would recommend spending time doing your calculation on CH output per radiator, and your hot water needs. You may be able to go for an even more economical boiler pack like these two:
- https://www.mrcentralheating.co.uk/potterton-titanium-24he-condensing-combi-boiler-clock-flue-and-free-trappex-pack#.V_qa1ZMrI6g
- https://www.mrcentralheating.co.uk/potterton-titanium-28he-condensing-combi-boiler-clock-flue-and-free-trappex-pack#.V_qa2JMrI6g
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vishy01234
waaqii
On look for a boiler package as im currently in the process of purchasing a new property which needs a complete overall of the hotwater/heating system. Thanks op
My pleasure. I selected this boiler as my house actually has quite a low requirement for hot water, but has a high demand on the heating side. The 34kw CH output on this one topped the 30kw CH output on Worcester's most powerful wallhung boiler (Greenstar 40CDi), Vaillants (only 28kw CH).
I would recommend spending time doing your calculation on CH output per radiator, and your hot water needs. You may be able to go for an even more economical boiler pack like these two:
- https://www.mrcentralheating.co.uk/potterton-titanium-24he-condensing-combi-boiler-clock-flue-and-free-trappex-pack#.V_qa1ZMrI6g
- https://www.mrcentralheating.co.uk/potterton-titanium-28he-condensing-combi-boiler-clock-flue-and-free-trappex-pack#.V_qa2JMrI6g
Thanks, will look into it
#13
Good effort OP.

Agree with pretty much everything you've said after having done hours of research ourselves a few years ago. Had our Titanium 3 years ago from Mr Central Heating and I find it great.

As for the service from Mr Central Heating, they are top class in my experience. When my Parents were in the market for a new boiler last year I went to them again and can't fault them one bit.

Edited By: platypus07 on Oct 09, 2016 20:42: Copy and paste error
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mastermixlee
Would steer clear of this myself. Don't get me wrong, there are worse Boilers out there.... But wouldn't have any dealings with the baxi Potterton group Boilers anymore as they have overlooked some key parts in accessibility for maintenance (I'm a gas engineer).
I agree that Worcester get alot more hype than they deserve in my opinion as whilst well made Boilers, they aren't always logically designed.... (I'm looking at you pressure relief valve on the greenstars! Lol)
Vaillant boilers on the other hand are easy to maintain and most parts can be changed in alot shorter duration (thus reducing cost in long run as less hours labour to pay for) e.g.main Heat exchanger on the Vaillants on a sealed system can be changed out in around 25 minutes. Where as you can be looking into multiple hours for certain other brands/models of boilers.
Obviously feel free to ignore my message of help... After all the baxi and other brand boilers be less reliable means more work for us gas engineers lol :-D
On a side note OP if you have bought this already then I wish you luck (not being sarcastic here) with it and hope you don't have any issues.... I have had the odd Ideal icos/isar without any issues.... And that's saying something....
And there's even the odd Potterton suprima out there with the original ill designed pcb running strong (what they were actually on watchdog for yet refused to accept fault). So there are exceptions out there lol hopefully yours is one of them.
That's enough work talk for me anyway.....
I'm off to scroll some more deals that aren't work related :p
I remember that, I was one of those affected.
I was told to write a polite letter to them by my gas engineer, pointing out the the watch dog episode and got the part for good will.
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Heat for overall effort and advice
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Heat for the advice and taking the time to lay this out!
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mastermixlee
Would steer clear of this myself. Don't get me wrong, there are worse Boilers out there.... But wouldn't have any dealings with the baxi Potterton group Boilers anymore as they have overlooked some key parts in accessibility for maintenance (I'm a gas engineer).
I agree that Worcester get alot more hype than they deserve in my opinion as whilst well made Boilers, they aren't always logically designed.... (I'm looking at you pressure relief valve on the greenstars! Lol)
Vaillant boilers on the other hand are easy to maintain and most parts can be changed in alot shorter duration (thus reducing cost in long run as less hours labour to pay for) e.g.main Heat exchanger on the Vaillants on a sealed system can be changed out in around 25 minutes. Where as you can be looking into multiple hours for certain other brands/models of boilers.
Obviously feel free to ignore my message of help... After all the baxi and other brand boilers be less reliable means more work for us gas engineers lol :-D
On a side note OP if you have bought this already then I wish you luck (not being sarcastic here) with it and hope you don't have any issues.... I have had the odd Ideal icos/isar without any issues.... And that's saying something....
And there's even the odd Potterton suprima out there with the original ill designed pcb running strong (what they were actually on watchdog for yet refused to accept fault). So there are exceptions out there lol hopefully yours is one of them.
That's enough work talk for me anyway.....
I'm off to scroll some more deals that aren't work related :p

Thanks for your input. Greatly appreciated.

I have heard from other gas engineers, however, a lot of contrary advice. They say this particular boiler is good if installed properly, and serviced regularly to maintain warranty.

If you have time, please can you recommend a couple alternative boilers (specific model please would be appreciated)?

Lastly, the major thing is even if you spend a couple hundred pounds more on a Vaillant, Worcester or Ideal Vogue (or indeed couple hundred pounds less if you go even cheaper on an Ariston or Biasi) ... the point is to shop hard and smart on your raw materials, don't get sucked in by the hype, and find a fair engineer to give a quote on labour plus extras (copper piping, making good of walls, removal of tanks if needed, etc).

Also, as another poster (onlineo) said ... you may wish to make a decision with a 15 year timeframe in mind. By then, you'll most likely want to replace as technology kicks on.

Edited By: vishy01234 on Oct 09, 2016 20:44
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Heat for the info and research OP. one question for the group; what's the experience like from Mr central heating? Those newspaper ads always looked really shady to me.
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Vaillant ftw.
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James_Polarbear
Heat for the deal, advice and effort!

Heat!
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Really hope this deal helps someone as we get closer to winter and the cold bites. For working-class people that don't qualify for grants

Yup only the lazy and feckless get government grants, amazingly paid for by those in work and actually paying for the government. Drives me mad!

Heat for the post
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A good deal with a useful description. Thanks OP.
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vishy01234


Please don't get cained off by exorbitant quotes from accredited installers (I am finding a lot of them to be extremely cocky these days .. give me a break with your constant complaining about having TOO much work, and trying to pull a fast one with your silly quotes), or utterly ripped off by British Gas!! British Gas quoted me over £10,000 (shame on you). If you have a trustworthy gas-registered engineer, you can purchase the materials yourself and agree a fair price with them for labour and required extras (copper piping, etc). You CAN get this type of work done well for a fair price - just be wise with your spend, don't take shortcuts, take your time and shop around for good materials and a good engineer to do the work for you. I am not an expert by any means (just a layperson sharing hours and hours of research done in the hope it helps someone in a similar position to me).

Although unbelievable, this is actually common. Cocky shiester semi-skilled engineers often quote several times more, this is often wen they do not know!!! have not done the courses, have no experience... The moment you hear this, run, put the phone down, ask them to leave, they will give you a lower price but it will still be extortionate and they will give you sob stories of inflation, cost of living, immigrants.... just tell them to leave!

Hot deal for a 40k boiler+bits, does it include installation, because if it does this is a fantastic deal!
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Worcester and Vaillant have a lot of hype behind them (they are both excellent, don't get me wrong)

They may have a lot of hype behind them - but they also have a lot of engineering, excellent service should you need it, and the best reliability in the business. They're the best recommended by heating engineers, and also the most reliable brands.

Why would you save a relatively small amount of money by choosing a very middling Potterton? :|
#25
OperateOnMe
vishy01234

Please don't get cained off by exorbitant quotes from accredited installers (I am finding a lot of them to be extremely cocky these days .. give me a break with your constant complaining about having TOO much work, and trying to pull a fast one with your silly quotes), or utterly ripped off by British Gas!! British Gas quoted me over £10,000 (shame on you). If you have a trustworthy gas-registered engineer, you can purchase the materials yourself and agree a fair price with them for labour and required extras (copper piping, etc). You CAN get this type of work done well for a fair price - just be wise with your spend, don't take shortcuts, take your time and shop around for good materials and a good engineer to do the work for you. I am not an expert by any means (just a layperson sharing hours and hours of research done in the hope it helps someone in a similar position to me).
Although unbelievable, this is actually common. Cocky shiester semi-skilled engineers often quote several times more, this is often wen they do not know!!! have not done the courses, have no experience... The moment you hear this, run, put the phone down, ask them to leave, they will give you a lower price but it will still be extortionate and they will give you sob stories of inflation, cost of living, immigrants.... just tell them to leave!
Hot deal for a 40k boiler+bits, does it include installation, because if it does this is a fantastic deal!

Some really good points! Nope it does not include installation ...installation really depends on circumstance. You may need upgrading to pipes, want your boiler repositioned, converting from a different type of system, need new rads, new a condensate pipe run, etc.

But presuming none of that applies and you are looking for straightforward boiler swap and new programmable thermostat installed, I'd guess £350 to £500 tops? Good to get input from others.
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GREAT EFFORT. HEATED
#27
I've done some research like the OP and tend to agree with what has been said. I ended up with a Vaillant mainly because the installer I trusted only fitted them and he will service it yearly. I would have probably gone with the Ideal Vogue otherwise. One thing I would mention is that since I had mine installed I have seen that Fernox have brought out an all metal filter and it looks to me it could be the best on the market.... and comes with a 25 year warranty

https://www.plumbnation.co.uk/site/fernox-tf1-omega-filter-with-valves---22mm/?gclid=Cj0KEQjw1ee_BRD3hK6x993YzeoBEiQA5RH_BMFFdwKvcBZl_mFbWUSfwUUrLAQGYTe9fY66Z77-OAMaAvAg8P8HAQ

I don't understand why it's selling cheaper than the plastic ones. Maybe a heating engineer can enlighten us?
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OperateOnMe
vishy01234

Please don't get cained off by exorbitant quotes from accredited installers (I am finding a lot of them to be extremely cocky these days .. give me a break with your constant complaining about having TOO much work, and trying to pull a fast one with your silly quotes), or utterly ripped off by British Gas!! British Gas quoted me over £10,000 (shame on you). If you have a trustworthy gas-registered engineer, you can purchase the materials yourself and agree a fair price with them for labour and required extras (copper piping, etc). You CAN get this type of work done well for a fair price - just be wise with your spend, don't take shortcuts, take your time and shop around for good materials and a good engineer to do the work for you. I am not an expert by any means (just a layperson sharing hours and hours of research done in the hope it helps someone in a similar position to me).
Although unbelievable, this is actually common. Cocky shiester semi-skilled engineers often quote several times more, this is often wen they do not know!!! have not done the courses, have no experience... The moment you hear this, run, put the phone down, ask them to leave, they will give you a lower price but it will still be extortionate and they will give you sob stories of inflation, cost of living, immigrants.... just tell them to leave!
Hot deal for a 40k boiler+bits, does it include installation, because if it does this is a fantastic deal!

Some really good points! Nope it does not include installation ...installation really depends on circumstance. You may need upgrading to pipes, want your boiler repositioned, converting from a different type of system, need new rads, new a condensate pipe run, etc.

But presuming none of that applies and you are looking for straightforward boiler swap and new programmable thermostat installed, I'd guess £350 to £500 tops? Good to get input from others.
Newbold
Worcester and Vaillant have a lot of hype behind them (they are both excellent, don't get me wrong)
They may have a lot of hype behind them - but they also have a lot of engineering, excellent service should you need it, and the best reliability in the business. They're the best recommended by heating engineers, and also the most reliable brands.
Why would you save a relatively small amount of money by choosing a very middling Potterton? :|

Some very good points and you are correct, I have certainly found Worcester and Vaillant get the most recommendations from gas engineers. But I don't think that tells the full story. They may be getting the most recommendations because it makes them the most money and that's all they know what to install? They could also be accredited and have a tie in to a particular manufacturer. Just trying to give a different perspective to your excellent post.

Also, I don't think a saving of £1000+ is to be sniffed at. That could get you a second boiler ... can't get a better warranty than that :)

I also think that if this boiler is installed and serviced properly, it should give years of good service. If you have a 15 yr plan before replacing again ... well you will be covered for 7 years in waranty, and then the other 8 just put it under cover.

Also you refer to this as a very middling Potterton, but if it does the job then why not? I drive a middling Peugeot, and I love the thing! Given years of great service because I steadily looked after it.
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Newbold
Worcester and Vaillant have a lot of hype behind them (they are both excellent, don't get me wrong)
They may have a lot of hype behind them - but they also have a lot of engineering, excellent service should you need it, and the best reliability in the business. They're the best recommended by heating engineers, and also the most reliable brands.

Why would you save a relatively small amount of money by choosing a very middling Potterton? :|

I stayed away from WB because I read so much about them using plastic parts. Yes, they have the best customer service in the business but I'd rather have a boiler which is less likely to give you cause to contact customer service. A lot of heating engineers are on incentives to supply WB too.
#30
dlloyd1980
pay cheap pay twice


Not always true my friend
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ive said it before and i'll say it again buy a viessmann...but it will probably cost you double this is lol
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Thanks OP - I am in the market for a boiler atm.

Just wondering with such a big property would Combi be the system of choice?
Did you consider a system boiler?
#33
SuperCat
Thanks OP - I am in the market for a boiler atm.
Just wondering with such a big property would Combi be the system of choice?
Did you consider a system boiler?

My pleasure. I certainly did consider a system boiler and may have gone for one if I had 2 bathrooms with power showers. But my needs made a combi boiler a more appropriate solution. I like instant hot water, and it's simpler to service if I decide to let my house in the future. System boiler quotes were also very high in my case. Also, I have a couple of friends running 2 bathrooms off a big combi boiler like this and I have been extremely impressed with the performance ... so even thought this boiler will only need to service 1 bathroom in my case, I'd hazard a guess based on its big spec that it could service 2 bathrooms if ever I got an ensuite installed or converted the other electric shower. But being cautious by nature, I would prob just have one really nice shower/bath running off a combi boiler, and use electric showers for any others.




Edited By: vishy01234 on Oct 09, 2016 22:05: Added more information
#34
I must disagree with your opinion, the lazy and feckless dont even bother to find out about grants as they mostly live in council houses and the council is responsible themselves for the heating. Its usually the disabled and OAP who might qualify and have to say most of those will need it. No offence meant to anyone.

Graham1979
Really hope this deal helps someone as we get closer to winter and the cold bites. For working-class people that don't qualify for grants
Yup only the lazy and feckless get government grants, amazingly paid for by those in work and actually paying for the government. Drives me mad!
Heat for the post
6 Likes #35
My respectful opinion - We shouldn't judge people and their individual situation, and should keep class out of this discussion. Better to stick to discussion on this deal and heating systems in general.
56 Likes #36
Just a a few words of guidance on boiler brand/model. Strictly speaking brand/model doesn't matter for reliability. However, design of heat exchanger in regards of maintenance is an issue. Perfect example... Potterton promax/baxi duo-tec/other rebadged promax Boilers have a heat exchanger where half cannot be cleaned out at all. There is literally no access to the back section software the heat exchanger which accounts for 50% of the unit..... This in turn results in restriction in the flue ways, resulting in excess heat build up within the appliance leading to leaks on seals, distortion of metal components and sometimes even fume leakage. Worst part is this restriction doesn't even always show on an emissions test which is carried out on a service.... And since there is no access to inspect that chamber it will likely continue unnoticed until damage is caused requiring a whole new heat exchanger.... Which is extremely pricey and labour intensive.... Couple that with some of the manufacturers only making spares up until their legal obligation (10 years) and you'll likely be spending more in the long run even discounting days taken off work waiting in for engineer, inconveniences caused, cost of labour etc.



Also I would not fit a new condensing boiler onto an older system without a proper power flush of the system done first! One of the ways the newer Boilers achieve a higher efficiency is by having smaller water ways to increase surface area for heat transfer..... Throwing one of these newer Boilers on a dirty system just because the quote was cheaper is not advisable and again will in most cases result in alot heavier costs not too far down the line.

The filters are great to have but always class them as a preventative rather than a solution.

Firstly have a full flush done on the system (and not a drain down and refill like some people like to claim a flush is!!)
Then have a replacement boiler with filter installed on return pipe before going back to boiler.
Also put chemical inhibitor solution in the heating system and ensure it is correctly dosed and topped up with any system drainages that are performed.

I have no affiliation with any brand of boiler in particular, however from whats currently on the market I would install a Vaillant. That may change as years go on (ideal classic, the old generation of Potterton profile and the baxi solo Boilers used to be the most reliable Boilers out there.... Unfortunately it doesn't appear to be the case for those manufacturers anymore)

People often fall into the trap by thinking the last boiler lasted a long time and therefore this generation of boiler from the same brand will be the same. Which sadly isn't the case. As things stand I would go Vaillant (model depends on system requirements, output needs, combi vs conventional system etc) . If things change and another model pops up on here then I'll advise differently when the time comes.

Hopefully this helps someone. I've managed to get some good deals on items by people contributing to this site so just wanted to put a little bit back into it and hopefully save some people some money along the way.

Literally gain nothing out of this myself and have not meant to bash your deal OP.

Over and out :D8)
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Buy cheap buy twice.. Probably my number one pet hate comment. If thats your motto what are you doing on hukd. Beat it you ****
#38
Don't suppose anyone's recently found a deal on a smaller 28kw combi
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A combi boiler in a 5 bed period property is like a one litre engine in a Rolls Royce, why not just get a proper megaflo system. I'm not an expert but with combi imagine, one guy having a shower, the washing machine is on, one guy washing the car with the hose and another guy flushes a dump then washes his hands, the guy in the shower ends up cold, not enough water going through the boiler :( Repeat I am just a lay user of combi boiler, not an expert. These cheap systems are mainly for flats or so I thought?
#40
mastermixlee
Just a a few words of guidance on boiler brand/model. Strictly speaking brand/model doesn't matter for reliability. However, design of heat exchanger in regards of maintenance is an issue. Perfect example... Potterton promax/baxi duo-tec/other rebadged promax Boilers have a heat exchanger where half cannot be cleaned out at all. There is literally no access to the back section software the heat exchanger which accounts for 50% of the unit..... This in turn results in restriction in the flue ways, resulting in excess heat build up within the appliance leading to leaks on seals, distortion of metal components and sometimes even fume leakage. Worst part is this restriction doesn't even always show on an emissions test which is carried out on a service.... And since there is no access to inspect that chamber it will likely continue unnoticed until damage is caused requiring a whole new heat exchanger.... Which is extremely pricey and labour intensive.... Couple that with some of the manufacturers only making spares up until their legal obligation (10 years) and you'll likely be spending more in the long run even discounting days taken off work waiting in for engineer, inconveniences caused, cost of labour etc.
Also I would not fit a new condensing boiler onto an older system without a proper power flush of the system done first! One of the ways the newer Boilers achieve a higher efficiency is by having smaller water ways to increase surface area for heat transfer..... Throwing one of these newer Boilers on a dirty system just because the quote was cheaper is not advisable and again will in most cases result in alot heavier costs not too far down the line.
The filters are great to have but always class them as a preventative rather than a solution.
Firstly have a full flush done on the system (and not a drain down and refill like some people like to claim a flush is!!)
Then have a replacement boiler with filter installed on return pipe before going back to boiler.
Also put chemical inhibitor solution in the heating system and ensure it is correctly dosed and topped up with any system drainages that are performed.
I have no affiliation with any brand of boiler in particular, however from whats currently on the market I would install a Vaillant. That may change as years go on (ideal classic, the old generation of Potterton profile and the baxi solo Boilers used to be the most reliable Boilers out there.... Unfortunately it doesn't appear to be the case for those manufacturers anymore)
People often fall into the trap by thinking the last boiler lasted a long time and therefore this generation of boiler from the same brand will be the same. Which sadly isn't the case. As things stand I would go Vaillant (model depends on system requirements, output needs, combi vs conventional system etc) . If things change and another model pops up on here then I'll advise differently when the time comes.
Hopefully this helps someone. I've managed to get some good deals on items by people contributing to this site so just wanted to put a little bit back into it and hopefully save some people some money along the way.
Literally gain nothing out of this myself and have not meant to bash your deal OP.
Over and out :D8)

Absolutely zero offence taken Mastermixlee. Quite the opposite - thanks for your valuable input. Very thought provoking.

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