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Just to mention that from 9th Feb that Powergen Lauched a new online tariff, the Energy Online Extra Saver (dual fuel for Gas and Electricity). This replaces the Winter Saver tariff for all new customers (ie they've introduced this and removed the Winter tariff). You may recall from this post that a number of us switched to the Winter tariff.

http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35729&highlight=powergen

When I've compared this new tariff with the old Winter tariff i signed up in December (by using Uswitch.com and Energylinx.co.uk) I found myself apparantly saving £120 per annum with the new tariff (not surprising given Powergen have recentlylowered prices, but only for new customers / tariffs).

I havent actually got my tariffs from the Winter tariff to hand (to ultimately prove it) but the new tariffs are:
GAS: Units 3.737p per kWh, Units above 4572 kWh p.a 2.972p per kWh
ELECT: Units 17.483p per kWh Units above 900 kWh p.a 9.797p per kWh

To change call Pgen on 0800 183 1377 between 8.00am and 8.00pm Monday to Friday (8.00am and 4.00pm on Saturday).

This is available to all existing customers as I've just changed.

Obviously switching electricity is not for all and there may be better options but if you are happy with Powergen then this would appear to be a tariff that reflects the new lower price of energy and could save you money just by ringing a free phone number.

Hope this helps - glad to try to put something back into this site!
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#1
Could i ask lovely admin to help tidy this up a bit! - price, getting the first link (to the previous HUK deals post) and an image would be a start to overcome my rubbishness in this area! Thank-you!
#2
Read this...

http://www.fool.co.uk/news/money-saving-tips/household-bills/2007/02/20/which-gas-suppliers-lowered-prices.aspx?source=ioowftxt0010011

It's a bit tricky to compare until all the companies respond to each other in the next month or so!
#3
British Gas Click Energy has better rates, although notoriously poor customer service...
#4
i think the general advice from the so called experts is to stick with who you are with until march/april when all the suppliers should have new rates
#5
mister.c.
Could i ask lovely admin to help tidy this up a bit! - price, getting the first link (to the previous HUK deals post) and an image would be a start to overcome my rubbishness in this area! Thank-you!
Added the image for you but URL's won't link when in the body of original posts.

Here's the link: http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35729&highlight=powergen

The price will show as £0.00 as there's no set price as such.
#6
:w00t: !!!THANKS!!! :w00t:

I am an existing Powergen customer so I just called and they confirmed that this EnergyOnline Extra Saver tariff is even cheaper than the EnergyOnline Winter Saver tariff that I was on. They were quite happy to switch me to the new cheaper tariff. I was getting 11% discount and this gives something like 24%. Apparently this is in response to British Gas announcing their cheaper tariff.

You can check with the online comparison websites but they take a while to catch up with the current offers, by which time new offers are available that they don't list. Just bite the bullet and switch is my advice.
#7
And yet the people these companies are supposed to help e.g. our parents do not see any of the so called benefits.
With the proposal of companies like the last one mentioned . They take more than they give with ever increasing payouts to shareholders
#8
doublecuffs
:w00t: !!!THANKS!!! :w00t:

I am an existing Powergen customer so I just called and they confirmed that this EnergyOnline Extra Saver tariff is even cheaper than the EnergyOnline Winter Saver tariff that I was on. They were quite happy to switch me to the new cheaper tariff. I was getting 11% discount and this gives something like 24%. Apparently this is in response to British Gas announcing their cheaper tariff.

You can check with the online comparison websites but they take a while to catch up with the current offers, by which time new offers are available that they don't list. Just bite the bullet and switch is my advice.

Glad to be of assistance! - problem with posting these kind of deals is that, via responses, they go off tangent with opinions on changing suppliers, whether you should change suppliers, etc, most them are helpful of course!, though perhaps by not caveating my initial post sufficiently, this kind of dilutes what i was principally trying to do in alerting happy online Powergen customers to a new rate which they may not be getting and which they could save money on.

I did try to pre-empt that by linking it to the previous thread on the Powergen winter tariff (which this rate is cheaper) and by advising if you are happy with Powergen and if you are using the online tariff, then this should be cheaper. No point waiting till April paying higher prices on Powergen if you are happy with Powergen, as a supplier, now.

Powergen may not be best for you, it may or may not be the best time to switch and other providers may offer a better deal for your consumption patterns!:thumbsup:
#9
rayman
Added the image for you but URL's won't link when in the body of original posts.

Here's the link: http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35729&highlight=powergen

The price will show as £0.00 as there's no set price as such.


Cheers Rayman:thumbsup:
#10
Not sure if this is any cheaper. I am on the winter saver tariff and the rates are as follows.

GAS: Units 3.559p per kWh, Units above 4572 kWh p.a 2.83p per kWh
ELECT: Units 16.35p per kWh Units above 900 kWh p.a 9.82p per kWh

I presume both figures are before vat is added so they should be comparable.
#11
paulstewart1
Not sure if this is any cheaper. I am on the winter saver tariff and the rates are as follows.

GAS: Units 3.559p per kWh, Units above 4572 kWh p.a 2.83p per kWh
ELECT: Units 16.35p per kWh Units above 900 kWh p.a 9.82p per kWh

I presume both figures are before vat is added so they should be comparable.

Cheers Paul - a mistake by me to quote those figures without fully verifying them - but you'll see on your bill that these headline figures are the gross costs of power before any discounts are applied.

Since my post I wandered onto MSE where this has been discussed in detail and is very informative - refer to gas/elect forum board for much useful background. Perhaps i should have done all of this before initially posting and reposting! Essentially it would appear there could be savings for existing customers dependant on where you live, much likely to be small savings if already on the winter tariff but more if just on the basic online tariff.

Stewie_griffin in that forum posted the following which hopefully brings further information to my post though the whole thread is probably best to be read:

Confusion over discounts
I thought I'd try to clear up some confusion regarding the amount of discount on the EnergyOnline Winter Saver/Extra Saver tariffs.

Since this offer was introduced in November last year their have been 3 different offers. The first one ran between 6/11/06 - 19/12/06 and on this you receive a additional discount of 5% (16% discount total) until 31/01/08. The next one ran between 20/12/06 - 31/01/07 and on this you also receive a 16% discount, this time until 31/03/08. To make it more confusing both of these offers were called EnergyOnline Winter Saver.

The current offer in place is known as EnergyOnline Extra Saver. On this you get an additional discount until 31/07/08, however the amount varies depending on which region you live in:

Eastern - 15%
East Midlands - 15%
London - 16%
Manweb - 17%
Midlands - 18%
Northern - 19%
Norweb - 15%
Scottish Hydro - 18%
Scottish Power - 17%
Seeboard - 16%
Southern - 17%
Swalec - 16%
Sweb - 16%
Yorkshire - 19%

Therefore if you live in Manweb, Midlands, Northern, Scottish hydro, Scottish Power, Southern or Yorkshire you will be better off on the new Extra Saver rather than the Winter Saver.

Hope all that makes sense.
#12
Sorry peeps - please ignore the 'When I've compared this new tariff with the old Winter tariff i signed up in December (by using Uswitch.com and Energylinx.co.uk) I found myself apparantly saving £120 per annum with the new tariff (not surprising given Powergen have recently lowered prices, but only for new customers / tariffs). ' from the original post - was ill informed I'm afraid at point of writing (and either uswitch etc isnt up to date, or i was actually comparing the original online saver and not the winter one with this product).

School report - will do better in future posts!
#13
i work for powergen (e.on) in one of the call centers. the energy online extra saver tarif aint bad at all. if you have the gas and electric with em on one bill and pay by fixed DD you can get some crackin discounts. the discount varies thou from region to region ie notts gets 15% but yorkshire gets 23.6%. would say thou that the prices are comin down soon but with the discounts like that on the accounts i wouldnt expect them to come down huge. only other good things about powrgen thou are free phone line (only one to have this!!) and you may end up talkin to me.

(ps I promise i aint been brain washed by em. Check on line on u switch. its just a job to pay for games and the ex wife!!)
#14
Together with a nightmare track record on billing errors, I will stay where I am thanks.
#15
I just did a comparison, for us Npower is cheapest. They offered (sign online tarriff):

Elec 17.85/7.64p
Gas 3.639/2.047p

The latter figure matters more for electricity, unless you use a minimal amount (In which case your bills will be peanuts anyway) - eg we use 16000kwh a year, way past the 4.5k crossover. For gas we use approx 5k, again way past the crossover (900) - that's with gas heating/water though, without that you could easily use less than 1k and thus should focus on the first figure.

All the figures are without vat btw (5%), no standing charge, dualfuel/online discounts £80/yr. Varies a bit according to area, check here for exacts:

http://www.npower.com/at_home/electricity_and_gas/prices_and_discounts/prices_in_your_area.html

Remember and go through quidco for £28 cashback.
#16
Thanks for this - just phoned them and we're in the Manweb area so have changed. :)
#17
Have you people never heard of Ebico/Equigas? Even BEFORE they lower their prices (and they are apparently looking into it) their gas price easily beats any of the 'new' rates I've seen quoted on here. And just a flat rate, no ******ing about with first 2,000 at this rate then next 2,000 at this rate. Wondrous company.

[url]www.ebico.co.uk[/url]
#18
I actually looked at this yesterday, before seeing this post. I was on the Energy on-line tariff, when I checked the prices (per kwh) they are the same as the Extra Saver tariff. So I didn't bother! After reading the above I rang (0800 183 1377 ) and checked with them. The bloke said all the prices are the same more or less, the discount is applied later. Basically I was receiving 11% discount with the Energy online tariff. Now I am receiving a 23% discount (until 2008 sometime) ! Apparently Powergen's tariff prices (the per kwh ones) will all be reduced soon too. So more savings to come. I know I could have changed to Npower to save a couple of quid (literally), but the hassle really isn't worth it! So thanks to the OP and others for alerting me to this :)
#19
many thanks to the OP - just saved me 130 notes a year.
#20
I just switched from Energy Online Winter Save to Engery Online Extra.

The guy on the phone says the price per unit is the same but I'd receive a further 6% discount !

Works for me !

For your guide I'm from South East (Essex)

:thumbsup:
#21
I signed upto British Gas the other day online to the Click Energy, i found they should save me over £140 a year. Plus i signed through the Quidco link which is tracking a £40 cashback.
#22
I belive you can get clubcard points as well :thumbsup:

http://www.tesco.com/clubcard/clubcard/partners/?page=powergen

Tim
#23
bellboys
Have you people never heard of Ebico/Equigas?


Hrrrm, I looked at them, but they were over 10p/kwh for electricity, and 2.43p/kwh for gas (before vat, electricity varies with regions a lot). Maybe quite good if you use a small amount of either each year, because on a normal provider you'd be stuck on the high first tier rates. However, once you get past that you're talking 20% more expensive than the cheapest (British Gas, Npower) for gas, and 33% more for electricity. No discounts either, so you miss out on another £40-£80 (depending on your provider).
#24
arfster
Hrrrm, I looked at them, but they were over 10p/kwh for electricity, and 2.43p/kwh for gas (before vat, electricity varies with regions a lot). Maybe quite good if you use a small amount of either each year, because on a normal provider you'd be stuck on the high first tier rates. However, once you get past that you're talking 20% more expensive than the cheapest (British Gas, Npower) for gas, and 33% more for electricity. No discounts either, so you miss out on another £40-£80 (depending on your provider).



I think you are making the mistake that quite a few are currently making and not waiting until ALL the companies have issued their price cuts. Once they have there is no way on God's earth that British Gas and npower (or even Powergen) will be anywhere near the cheapest. Ebico charge a flate rate of 2.55p/kwh for gas AT THE MOMENT. That's including VAT of 5%. They are linked to SSE for both gas and electric so I'm assuming their new prices will reflect SSE's cuts when announced.
#25
There is no mention of standing charges in the first post or are these rates for electricity and gas with no standing charges?
#26
Thanks i have just called them up and they reduced my direct debit by 15.00 a month straight away. Voted hot.
#27
bellboys
I think you are making the mistake that quite a few are currently making and not waiting until ALL the companies have issued their price cuts. Once they have there is no way on God's earth that British Gas and npower (or even Powergen) will be anywhere near the cheapest. Ebico charge a flate rate of 2.55p/kwh for gas AT THE MOMENT. That's including VAT of 5%.


Well, I'm not going to claim to predict the future, but I do know that npower are currently 2.15p/kwh inc vat, and have announced another 16% price drop in april/may, which will bring it down to 1.8p/kwh. On top of that, £40 discounts (and another £40 for electricity), which is the equivalent of 0.25p/kwh with my 16000kwh/year use.

To equal that, even with their direct debit discount, SSE/ebico would have to cut prices by 40%. Seems a little unlikely, at least in the next 6 months.
#28
arfster
Well, I'm not going to claim to predict the future, but I do know that npower are currently 2.15p/kwh inc vat, and have announced another 16% price drop in april/may, which will bring it down to 1.8p/kwh. On top of that, £40 discounts (and another £40 for electricity), which is the equivalent of 0.25p/kwh with my 16000kwh/year use.

To equal that, even with their direct debit discount, SSE/ebico would have to cut prices by 40%. Seems a little unlikely, at least in the next 6 months.



You seem to be forgetting the 3.82/kwh rate they charge on the first 4572 kwh each year whereas ebico's rate is a flat one, although I do accept that with your huge gas consumption npower is the way to go.
#29
on a footnote, Powergen will next week be announcing how much and when they will be reducing there prices, so watch this space
1 Like #30
Muwolves
on a footnote, Powergen will next week be announcing how much and when they will be reducing there prices, so watch this space


i have just spoken to powergen and been told that the price decrease will be anounced either before or on the same day that british gas's new prices take effect(12th march)

just signed up for online extra saver from winter saver gone from 16% to 20.7% discounted till 31/7/07 , so a saving of £150 a year which is a £30 increase on the last.

exellent stuff thanks for this :-D

im in chatham btw rates quoted are
elec 15.80 primary (first 225kw)
8.22 secondary
gas 3.559 primary(first 1173kw)
2.830 secondary

:whistling:
#31
katya1971
i have just spoken to powergen and been told that the price decrease will be anounced either before or on the same day that british gas's new prices take effect(12th march)

just signed up for online extra saver from winter saver gone from 16% to 20.7% discounted till 31/7/07 , so a saving of £150 a year which is a £30 increase on the last.

exellent stuff thanks for this :-D

im in chatham btw rates quoted are
elec 15.80 primary (first 225kw)
8.22 secondary
gas 3.559 primary(first 1173kw)
2.830 secondary

:whistling:


The guy i spoke to last night insistedit would be next week and said that me DD would not be reduced until these new prices were announced and then they would be done automatically. I guess we will have to wait and see

whilst on the subject of powergen, i had my house cavity wall insulated by going through them and was only charged £150. They actually did the over 60's for free, so this again might be something people may be interested in
#32
Muwolves
whilst on the subject of powergen, i had my house cavity wall insulated by going through them and was only charged £150. They actually did the over 60's for free, so this again might be something people may be interested in


This is very good advice - there are a whole bundle of grants out there, cos it's a cheap way for the govt to meet Britain's Kyoto targets. A good site to start with is www.est.org.uk

For example, just installing loft insulation and basic draughtproofing cut 40% off my heating bills straight away. Admittedly my place is an extreme example, because the previous coverage up there was little more than 5mm plasterboard and 200 yrs of mouse droppings (easily the most disgusting substance known to mankind btw).

If you get a grant, most of these things pay for themselves in a year, so it's well worth it. Check the table here for some examples:

http://www.est.org.uk/myhome/assumptions/
#33
Like everybody else, I'm looking for cheaper utility suppier.
My favourites in the running are Ebico for gas and no dead certs for electricity as yet; Any ideas ?
Just received my bill from Powergen for a Swalec and British Gas region.
Had to scrape myself of the floor, after reading it. Note The gas is used 1.5 hours in the morning, before school, and then on from 3.30pm to 9.30pm.
Tried all the general advice, turn thermostat down 1-2 settings, turn heating and water settings down on combi, insulate the loft, close doors, draught excluders etc...
To me and my pocket, this advice and actions hasn't made any difference, except, me suffering in a room temperature colder by a few centigrade.

.......................................................................................................
MY POWERGEN LISTED BELOW
.......................................................................................................
Electricity bill ...........................
1488 Normal kWh (kilowatt-hours) used
Normal primary units used 150 kWh at 17.66p each 26.49
Normal secondary units used 1338 kWh at 10.26p each 137.28
Total electricity charges = £163.77

Gas bill .................................
primary units used 1015 kWh at 3.559p each 36.12
Gas secondary units used 12962 kWh at 2.83p each 366.83
Total gas charges = £402.95

£402.5l minus £62.34p for energy online discount= £504.38p
+ 5 % of vat on £504.38= £25.22p

Total bill for 22 nov 06 to 10 feb 07= £529.60

Again, anybody got ideas about cheaper new suppliers, or how I can obtain a cheaper utility bills ? please advise!
#34
Try [url]www.uswitch.co.uk[/url] for a quick estimate of the different supplier's prices. I think there are other too which pay cashback...
#35
Kilos
Gas bill .................................
primary units used 1015 kWh at 3.559p each 36.12
Gas secondary units used 12962 kWh at 2.83p each 366.83
Total gas charges = £402.95
......
Total bill for 22 nov 06 to 10 feb 07= £529.60


What size of property is it, and how many radiators? That's some astronomical gas usage you've got there.
#36
Arfster, its a 4 bedroom terraced house, with 9 radiators. Forgot to mention, one other factor, the cooker hob is gas, but the oven is electric. I kid you not, the heating is only on in the week, when the kids are home from school.
I am searching in depth, these utility suppliers as not to have a bill, like that again. I am on the verge of contacting Transco and have the meter checked.
A Powergen Operator, worked out, I am using roughly £5.00 worth of gas, a day. I know of people, same size and type of house, heating on all day, they walk round in shorts, thats how hot it is and they pay about £15.50 a week gas, running 7 radiatorsand and gas cooker. Plus they are on the dearest tariff, a token meter.
#37
ben_edwards2612
Try [url]www.uswitch.co.uk[/url] for a quick estimate of the different supplier's prices. I think there are other too which pay cashback...


I tried this and others. What concerns me is that they are all suppose to provide a cheaper supplier. However! I enter always the same data, but the results vary in a cheaper supplier, some say NPower, another one Powergen and British Gas.
#38
Kilos
Arfster, its a 4 bedroom terraced house, with 9 radiators. Forgot to mention, one other factor, the cooker hob is gas, but the oven is electric. I kid you not, the heating is only on in the week, when the kids are home from school.
I am searching in depth, these utility suppliers as not to have a bill, like that again. I am on the verge of contacting Transco and have the meter checked.
A Powergen Operator, worked out, I am using roughly £5.00 worth of gas, a day. I know of people, same size and type of house, heating on all day, they walk round in shorts, thats how hot it is and they pay about £15.50 a week gas, running 7 radiatorsand and gas cooker. Plus they are on the dearest tariff, a token meter.


hiya, it sounds like your meter maybe wrong , i had a huge bill last quarter and on checking it realised that the meter readings had been taken back to front so i was being charged day rate for night rate ect ,after a lengthy investigation and several attemps to have the meter checked (once they never turned up)(always claim for this ) i finally got all the charges taken off which actually placed me in credit.
two years previous to this they routenly replaced my gas meter and zero'ed it then when the bill came it they owed me money on the estimate , they thought i had tampered with the meter! again after a lengthy investigation it was put right but the inconvenience is a pain and the stress of the huge bills is a great worry.

if you feel its wrong get them to investigate it you have nothing to loose.
since these episodes i always take my readings at the same time as the accuread peeps and i check it online asap .

hope this helps :-D
#39
Kilos
Arfster, its a 4 bedroom terraced house, with 9 radiators. Forgot to mention, one other factor, the cooker hob is gas, but the oven is electric. I kid you not, the heating is only on in the week, when the kids are home from school.
I am searching in depth, these utility suppliers as not to have a bill, like that again. I am on the verge of contacting Transco and have the meter checked......


Might be worth it (although do they charge if you get it wrong?). Another possibility: could your thermostat be faulty? If it was misreading the temp it could cause it to run far too often. You could perhaps test this by checking the temp with a thermometer, at the time when it triggers the CH to turn on.

Does sound strange that you're cold though - if you're using that much gas, the energy must be going somewhere (any smell of gas?). Do you have any problems with the radiators most distant from the boiler not heating up properly? At a guess, that could show the system is clogged up so it's running very inefficiently.

Oh, and are all pipes insulated? Would be very cheap to do, and with your gas usage it only needs a fractional saving to be worth it.
#40
I just dont get how people still just "go for the cheapest" these days, especially when they think they are a foreign company who suck money out of the Country into France (EDF) or Germany (RWE/Eon).

What you've got to remember is
1) You have to call Eon for their new cheapest rate - existing customers wont get it by default
2) British Gas Click Online 2 is still cheaper than Eons new Winter Saver Rate, especially for the retired as theres even bigger savings
3) RWE have only dropped elec prices by 3% - ha ha!

Im just watching the pub landlord on ITV and it just made me think!!
Especially when he's been discussing German accents!
"Twinkle Twinkle little starrrrrrrrrrrrr, how I vunder vat yooo rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"

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