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Just a little known tip for all you pregnant women.

When travelling by train you are entitled to a free 1st class upgade so long as you have proof eg NHS exemption card/MATB1

As part of "the national conditions of rail travel" pregnant women are allowed to travel in 1st class on a standard rail ticket.

Make the most of the big seats, extra leg room and free drinks!!!

1st post so be gentle
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#1
If there are any 'ladies' who wish to be entiltled to this offer, Please feel free to contact me............ :-)


K
#2
Do you know about this kevin?
1 Like #3
Total and utter tosh. Show me where it says that in the conditions of carriage:

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/system/galleries/download/misc/NRCOC.pdf

Some people.... :? :? :?
#4
[SIZE=2]Bet the baby arrives before the flipping train.[/SIZE]
#5
kevingattaca
If there are any 'ladies' who wish to be entiltled to this offer, Please feel free to contact me............ :-)


K


:w00t: :lol: :lol: :lol:
#6
[SIZE=2]Virgin trains only, cannot find any info on the site referring to this, can you paste any further details please?[/SIZE]
#7
grex9101
Total and utter tosh. Show me where it says that in the conditions of carriage:

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/system/galleries/download/misc/NRCOC.pdf

Some people.... :? :? :?


Just posting a direct quote from Mother & Baby Mag Dec 2007 Page 7

Published By - Emap Esprit

Talk about shooting the messenger!

You must be having a boring Sat night if you have had time to check the conditions of carriage!!!

Some people:giggle:
#8
well this is really good if it works. I wish i knew about it when i went on holiday at 8 months pregnant earlier this year. Voted hot
#9
grex9101
Total and utter tosh. Show me where it says that in the conditions of carriage:

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/system/galleries/download/misc/NRCOC.pdf

Some people.... :? :? :?




As grex9101 has said this is complete nonsense.

It is not in the "national conditions of rail travel" at all. There is no such condition whatsoever.



However, each separate company do seem to have differing policies.

For example, First Great Western make it clear that it is not their policy or an automatic right: "We do not offer upgrades for pregnant passengers. The Train Manager has the right to use his or her discretion, but as we do not offer an automatic upgrade to disabled or elderly passengers we cannot offer an exception to pregnant passengers."
And the policy for First Capital Connect requires you to have a Standard Class Season Ticket and apply by sending them proof of the pregnancy.


My point is that there is no "national" condition and it varies from company to company - so unless the OP is willing to put in the effort to provide reliable information the thread is useless.
#10
Got to say it made me laugh
Pregnant women and Virgin transport :giggle:
#11
The only information i can find online about Virgin and this policy is an old BBC article from 2004:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/threecounties/content/articles/2004/10/13/pregnant_commuters_feature.shtml

VIRGIN

No particular policy for pregnant women. At discretion of rail staff on train.

It seems that a combination of bad manners and non-user friendly or non-existent policies from the train companies make it very difficult for pregnant women to travel comfortably by train during peak hours.




There is certainly no mention in their terms: http://www.virgintrainsfares.co.uk/button_bar_pages/national.asp



Condition 39 of the National Conditions does state the following (although it is not specific to pregnant women):

39. Travelling in first class accommodation with a standard class ticket
If you have a standard class ticket (other than a Season Ticket), no standard class accommodation is available, and ticket staff on that train give their permission, then you may travel in first class accommodation (or the equivalent) where this is available without extra charge.
On-train ticket staff will not give you permission to use first class accommodation (or the equivalent) unless they are satisfied that it is not required by anyone with a first class ticket and the standard class accommodation on the train is full. This permission may be withdrawn if a person holding a first class ticket requires the accommodation during your journey or standard class accommodation becomes available.
If you have a standard class ticket and you travel in first class accommodation without permission (which includes occupying seats or standing in any part of the carriage), you will have to pay:
(i) the difference between the price of that ticket and the price of the first class ticket for the accommodation you have used; or
(ii) where Condition 4 (b) applies, a Penalty Fare.
If you have a standard class Season Ticket, you may only travel in first class accommodation (which includes occupying seats or standing in any part of the carriage) if:
(a) the difference between the full single fare for first class accommodation and the full single fare for standard class accommodation has been paid before your journey starts;
(b) any other relevant supplement set out in the notices and other publications of the Train Companies has been paid before your journey starts;
(c) notices are displayed allowing passengers with standard class tickets to use first class accommodation; or
(d) on-train ticket staff have given you permission.
In all other cases, if you travel in first class accommodation (or the equivalent) with a standard class Season Ticket, you will be treated as having joined the train without a valid ticket and the relevant parts of Condition 2 or 4 will apply.
#12
zipper
As grex9101 has said this is complete nonsense.

It is not in the "national conditions of rail travel" at all. There is no such condition whatsoever.



However, each separate company do seem to have differing policies.

For example, First Great Western make it clear that it is not their policy or an automatic right: "We do not offer upgrades for pregnant passengers. The Train Manager has the right to use his or her discretion, but as we do not offer an automatic upgrade to disabled or elderly passengers we cannot offer an exception to pregnant passengers."
And the policy for First Capital Connect requires you to have a Standard Class Season Ticket and apply by sending them proof of the pregnancy.


My point is that there is no "national" condition and it varies from company to company - so unless the OP is willing to put in the effort to provide reliable information the thread is useless.



Resent being villified as i was only trying to help

The info is from a reliable source which is page 7 of Dec 2007 Mother and Baby mag (which I feel is reliable info) any one agree?
#13
kevingattaca
If there are any 'ladies' who wish to be entiltled to this offer, Please feel free to contact me............ :-)


K



Maybe I should have said "Single" ladies..........:whistling: :giggle: :giggle:

LOL
#14
why should pregnant women get special treatment anyway?

If they want to be comfortable they shouldn't get pregnant in the first place!

:whistling:
#15
grex9101
why should pregnant women get special treatment anyway?

If they want to be comfortable they shouldn't get pregnant in the first place!

:whistling:


Oh Dear, not very PC me thinks
#16
Virgin trains another Immaculate Conception :)
#17
fluffy25
Oh Dear, not very PC me thinks

and its not very pc to offer upgrades on the basis of being pregnant is it :thumbsup:
#18
djdpt
and its not very pc to offer upgrades on the basis of being pregnant is it :thumbsup:


Why ever not? Whats the problem with that?

I think you will find that it is exactly PC to allow a pregnant woman as much comfort as can be provided.

I would much rather my wife sat in comfort whilst 36 weeks pregnant.
#19
fluffy25
Resent being villified as i was only trying to help

The info is from a reliable source which is page 7 of Dec 2007 Mother and Baby mag (which I feel is reliable info) any one agree?



I'm only trying to avoid people being embarassed as a result of being refused or being given an odd look.

And if the magazine actually state that it's a "National Condition" then they are very much mistaken - as there is no such condition - as i've demonstrated.



And why would pregnant woman be more deserving than the disable or elderly?
#20
zipper
I'm only trying to avoid people being embarassed as a result of being refused or being given an odd look.

And if the magazine actually state that it's a "National Condition" then they are very much mistaken - as there is no such condition - as i've demonstrated.



And why would pregnant woman be more deserving than the disable or elderly?


Did I say they are more deserving?

Let me answer - No
#21
fluffy25
I would much rather my wife sat in comfort whilst 36 weeks pregnant.

Buy her a 1st class ticket then.
#22
Does first class actually mean anything on your train services? Here with South Eastern the only difference is that you get a bit of cloth over the head rest. There's no extra leg room, seats aren't better quality, have to pay the same prices for your drinks and there's no door to close out the noise...
#23
jmdrizen
Does first class actually mean anything on your train services? Here with South Eastern the only difference is that you get a bit of cloth over the head rest. There's no extra leg room, seats aren't better quality, have to pay the same prices for your drinks and there's no door to close out the noise...


You forgot to mention that you'd also end up sitting with "ALL" the Train driver's and Ticket Stampers as well !??! SIC
#24
On South-West trains you only get an upgrade if

(a) you have a season ticket
(b) there are no seats in cattle class
and
(c) you fill in lots of forms and proof of pregnancy certificate

http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWTrains/Ticketsandprices/Season+tickets/Mums+to+be.htm?&MSHiC=65001&L=10&W=PREGNANCY+pregnant+&Pre=%3CFONT+STYLE%3D%22color%3A+%23000000%3B+background%2Dcolor%3A+%23FFFF00%22%3E&Post=%3C%2FFONT%3E

Though:

http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/SWTrains/Customerservice/PassengersPanel/Articles/PPIssue17Article1.htm?&MSHiC=65001&L=10&W=PREGNANCY+pregnant+&Pre=%3CFONT+STYLE%3D%22color%3A+%23000000%3B+background%2Dcolor%3A+%23FFFF00%22%3E&Post=%3C%2FFONT%3E

"In the previous issue of e-motion, we told you of a heavily pregnant woman left standing because she didn’t have a Season Ticket. While the rules are quite clear—only Season Ticket holders in their last four months of pregnancy can be upgraded to First Class on a packed train—guards have been told that they should always exercise discretion in these situations and allow any woman in her last four months of pregnancy with a valid ticket a First Class seat if no Standard Class seats are available. We’ve been assured
that they will in future"
#25
i would hope to think that someone would give up their seat if they saw a heavily pregnant woman standing i know i have and i would again some people are just rude
#26
It seems some men just dont have manners anymore,
i feel sorry for them.
#27
Well just to fire the controversy... Women FOUGHT for equal rights.
#28
ilovepink
i would hope to think that someone would give up their seat if they saw a heavily pregnant woman standing i know i have and i would again some people are just rude



Unfortunately ilovepink - they don't always, Fluffy thanks for the heads up on that one. Although I am not planning on traveling on a train in the next 6 weeks, Its nice to know that where no seats are available I could request to be upgraded (even if it is refused) - I would rather have tried than traveled standing up for my entire journey.
#29
You're all mad.

Pregnant women should be entitled to a seat full stop. If the world wasn't such a vile and selfish place, decent people would exist who'd always get up to allow disabled, elderly or pregnant people sit down. But it is, so rules like this need putting in place.
#30
kevingattaca
If there are any 'ladies' who wish to be entiltled to this offer, Please feel free to contact me............ :-)


K

Ahhhh!...very funny!...lol...
#31
ourdave
You're all mad.

Pregnant women should be entitled to a seat full stop. If the world wasn't such a vile and selfish place, decent people would exist who'd always get up to allow disabled, elderly or pregnant people sit down. But it is, so rules like this need putting in place.

They exist on buses, a section for people where you have to give up your seat for a mother with child or elderly people.
#32
mrplay
It seems some men just dont have manners anymore,
i feel sorry for them.


I don't think it's just men that have the monopoly on that problem. I do think it's sad that people are genuinely surprised when I open the door for them or say excuse me when I wish to pass through.
1 Like #33
Wish I had never started this post now, just brought all the odd bods out to talk about 'women shouldn't get pregnant if they want to be comfortable' and 'you made her pregnant buy her a 1st class ticket'

Sick if you ask me, no wonder the world is such a vile place when men have opinions like that.

I am a nurse and do hope that 1 day they come to my A&E needing my help, I will show them comfort.

Ian
#34
fluffy25
I am a nurse and do hope that 1 day they come to my A&E needing my help, I will show them comfort.

Ian

And you have the audacity to judge others when you have that attitude? Righto.

And if you DID care you would buy her a 1st class ticket or better yet drive her where she needed to go like ANY decent bloke would:x
#35
Shengis
Well just to fire the controversy... Women FOUGHT for equal rights.


Need I say more? (you say women fought for equal rights, but men should drive them around) maybe so but which do you agree with?

One hand you say they should be equals, on the other you say they should be driven around by DECENT BLOKES. Which is it to be?

Decent BLOKE you say!!! hahaha:giggle:
#36
greencat
I do think it's sad that people are genuinely surprised when I open the door for them or say excuse me when I wish to pass through.

Opened the door for a woman once who was one of those extreme feminists as she said "You don't need to open the door for me!" My reply was "I didn't open the door because you're a woman but because I'm a gentlemen".
#37
Maybe there's a compromise to be had here. If there are no seats available on public transport, perhaps pregnant ladies could use OAP's as seats :w00t:
#38
fluffy25
Need I say more? (you say women fought for equal rights, but men should drive them around) maybe so but which do you agree with?

One hand you say they should be equals, on the other you say they should be driven around by DECENT BLOKES. Which is it to be?

Decent BLOKE you say!!! hahaha:giggle:

So because somebodys an equal you shouldn't help them in whatever way you can then and take resposibilty for them? If I had a broken leg for example i'd expect the wife to drive me around (and without a doubt she would), just like if I was on a train i'd expect somebody to offer me a seat out of common courtesy. SHOULD has nothing whatsoever to do with it.
#39
ilovepink
i would hope to think that someone would give up their seat if they saw a heavily pregnant woman standing i know i have and i would again some people are just rude


That's a different issue though, it's a matter of manners - in my experience of daily commuting between Edinburgh and Dundee where there was rarely enough room to stand never mind seats. In these circumstances, people would give their seats up for elderly folk and as empty seats came up, the ladies were given the preference. I have no doubt that if there was a pregnant lady on the train someone would have given their seat up for her. Perhaps that not consistent across the country but I always thought it was good that people did still have manners.

The issue here is different though, on the packed train First Class was nearly almost empty but people were never offered or allowed seats in there. Whether that would be different for a pregnant lady on Scotrail I have no idea.

John
#40
Johnmcl7
That's a different issue though, it's a matter of manners - in my experience of daily commuting between Edinburgh and Dundee where there was rarely enough room to stand never mind seats.


Look I alway's offer 'Single' ladies the option of sitting on my lap on the train !? ( even when there are empty seats ???? )

http://skbigm.googlepages.com/SSLAP400px2.jpg/SSLAP400px2-full.jpg

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