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* Resolution: Full HD 1920 x 1080
* Colour: Black
* Contrast Ratio: 50,000:1
* Response Time: 6 ms
* Tuner: Digital Tuner
* Speakers: L+R
* HD Ready: Full HD (1080)
* Dimensions: 743.7 x 111.9 x 26 cms
* Weight: 26.5 Kgs
* 100 Hz
* 24p Cinema Vision
* Connections: 4 x HDMI
* Included Accessories: Remote Control
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#1
Hmm a 46" HDTV in LCD isnt advisable even though it has a lot of bells and whistles on it.

Certainly looks a decent deal but more of an example of Samsung shockingly overpricing it in the first place than it being almost half price when you consider what you can get for £800 these days HDTV wise.

Pity its not a plasma.
#2
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#3
Cracking Deal!
#4
why whats wrong with this LCD?

I have a 46ins Samsung bought about 2 yrs ago and was about to call my dad about this one as he is in the market for one.
#5
umm yeah whats wrong with a 46" lcd tv?? i'm thinking of getting this so any advice would be handy please :-D
#6
id say this is much better than the samsung
http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/2681840/art/lg/50ps3000-plasma-screen.html
i've just bought this last week and the 40" samsung i had does not come close to the picture quality of th LG.
#7
Ev0lution
Hmm a 46" HDTV in LCD isnt advisable even though it has a lot of bells and whistles on it.

Certainly looks a decent deal but more of an example of Samsung shockingly overpricing it in the first place than it being almost half price when you consider what you can get for £800 these days HDTV wise.

Pity its not a plasma.


obviously a plasma lover who hates lcds - this is a fantastic deal / i have the samsung 46" m series and the picture is amazing and this has highrer specs so for the price this is a must in my opinion
#8
To the people who are asking.

There is nothing 'wrong' with it per se.

More of the fact that when you get to 42" and above the picture quality of an LCD is not as good as its plasma equivalent.

I hope that clarifies what I meant.
#9
ok bought it :) hope its gooodddd :d thanks to every1 who commented :)
#10
Ev0lution
To the people who are asking.

There is nothing 'wrong' with it per se.

More of the fact that when you get to 42" and above the picture quality of an LCD is not as good as its plasma equivalent.

I hope that clarifies what I meant.


Id ignore this guys comments - he hasnt really done his research in HD equipment

voted hot btw i moved from pioneer plasma to sammy lcds
#11
Good price.
#12
Is there anyway I can get it sent to Ireland but still pay in £££ instead of euros? If I pay by euros I get raped by my credit card guys, not to mention play want a 1000e for it.....


rep to be left.
#13
stuartgeary
Id ignore this guys comments - he hasnt really done his research in HD equipment

voted hot btw i moved from pioneer plasma to sammy lcds


Well thats me told. Which is something indeed, given you clearly dont have a clue what you are talking about.

Im trying to help people by quoting facts.
#14
Ev0lution
Well thats me told. Which is something indeed, given you clearly dont have a clue what you are talking about.

Im trying to help people by quoting facts.


If you would "Quote facts" by posting references then that would sure backup your claims.

FWIW HDTVTest has some good reviews.

The local dimming backlit LED TVs are better IMO, but they start at double the price of this.

Matt
#15
stuartgeary
Id ignore this guys comments - he hasnt really done his research in HD equipment

voted hot btw i moved from pioneer plasma to sammy lcds


Why on Gods Earth would you do this?
#16
Had two Samsung LCDs over the last couple of years (40F86 & 46A656) and I have to say that they are possibly the worst major brand tv out there. Both came complete with banding issues and alothough they produced 1080p @24hz for blu-ray they had scrolling lines deep inside the picture. Also 100hz tech on Samsung TVs is poor and produces more artifacts and smudging then any other brand I have seen. But by far the worst thing is that you have to constantly change the settings to make the picture better depending on channel/movie/game your watching. In the end I went for a 50pz-81 Plasma from Panasonic and I must say it blows LCD out of the Water, I've hardly ever had to change settings and the picture quality surpasses both Samsungs (and everyone elses Sammy LCDs 'cuz everyone owns them!). Also by far the worst Customer Service in history, I bought the F86 the month it was released and when I registered it over the phone they didnt even have the model on the system! Even a year later when I had to use tech support for a firmware upgrade they though I owned an M86!!!! Planks.
Do yourself a favor and get a different brand seen as they're so many deals around atm. Or wait for Sony to bring out OLED sets and LCD and Plasmas will be dirt cheap.
Check [url]www.avforums.com[/url] for details and help with TV etc...
#17
scoobeesnac
If you would "Quote facts" by posting references then that would sure backup your claims.

FWIW HDTVTest has some good reviews.

The local dimming backlit LED TVs are better IMO, but they start at double the price of this.

Matt


Because I cant be bothered and I know I am right. I dont need to back it up with someone who prefers a nonsense LCD maker to the best Plasma makers in the market.
#18
I can't comment on the debate, but I have the 40" version of this panel and when I purchased it, I went into Richer Sounds with a specific Panasonic plasma in mind and came out with this range in 40" instead. I was very impressed - reviews say it is one of the best LCD screens for watchin SD, which is normally trumped by most plasma panels.

It is otherwise superb and I have found very few reasons to fault it that have not been rectified by firmware updates.
#19
hang on, arn't pioneer plasmas widely regarded as the best tv's on the market, over other plasmas and LCDs?!
#20
I bought one a couple of months back from Richer sounds to replace my ageing 42" Philips plasma and am chuffed with it.

Review from WhatHifi: http://www.whathifi.com/Review/Samsung-LE46A656/
#21
stuartgeary
Id ignore this guys comments - he hasnt really done his research in HD equipment

voted hot btw i moved from pioneer plasma to sammy lcds


:thinking: Must be one very good LCD to move from a Pioneer
#22
Evil Lee GK
But by far the worst thing is that you have to constantly change the settings to make the picture better depending on channel/movie/game your watching.


Well, you simply save the settings for each input on the A686 series. Each one of my inputs (4 HDMI [WDTV, Blu Ray, Xbox 360, Laptop), 1 Aerial, 1 component [Wii]) each has a unique custom setting for the picture and it never needs changing unless I choose to tweak them.
#23
Evil Lee GK;5368468
Had two Samsung LCDs over the last couple of years (40F86 & 46A656) and I have to say that they are possibly the worst major brand tv out there. Both came complete with banding issues and alothough they produced 1080p @24hz for blu-ray they had scrolling lines deep inside the picture. Also 100hz tech on Samsung TVs is poor and produces more artifacts and smudging then any other brand I have seen. But by far the worst thing is that you have to constantly change the settings to make the picture better depending on channel/movie/game your watching. In the end I went for a 50pz-81 Plasma from Panasonic and I must say it blows LCD out of the Water, I've hardly ever had to change settings and the picture quality surpasses both Samsungs (and everyone elses Sammy LCDs 'cuz everyone owns them!). Also by far the worst Customer Service in history, I bought the F86 the month it was released and when I registered it over the phone they didnt even have the model on the system! Even a year later when I had to use tech support for a firmware upgrade they though I owned an M86!!!! Planks.
Do yourself a favor and get a different brand seen as they're so many deals around atm. Or wait for Sony to bring out OLED sets and LCD and Plasmas will be dirt cheap.
Check www.avforums.com for details and help with TV etc...

Never had any of the problems you refer to in the Samsungs I have owned.
#24
I'm considering selling my Samsung LE 37 M86 BDX in order to help fund buying this. If anyone has an idea of how much I could expect to re sell it for then please drop me a pm or reply here, I'd appreciate it as I don't have a clue. H+R for the deal though.
#25
Your living in the past plasma lovers. LCD is on par with plasma now. and OLED owns them all
#26
Hmm, I would have got this if it was around a couple of weeks ago.
#27
shadowdogg
Your living in the past plasma lovers. LCD is on par with plasma now. and OLED owns them all


Your kidding yourself mate if you think this is true, not a single LCD TV on the market compares to a Pio plasma!

As for LED I have seen one of these and I did like the look of it however it was £1800 and for that amount I would still choose a Pio!
#28
stuartgeary;5368109

voted hot btw i moved from pioneer plasma to sammy lcds


Oops.

Pioneer plasmas are famed for being the best HDTVs going. Well overpriced, though.
banned#29
harvez
id say this is much better than the samsung
http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/2681840/art/lg/50ps3000-plasma-screen.html
i've just bought this last week and the 40" samsung i had does not come close to the picture quality of th LG.


cheers, like the look of that
#30
Does anyone know how I can order from Play and get it delivered to Ireland WITHOUT having to pay for it in euros.


Many thanks
#31
Ev0lution
To the people who are asking.

There is nothing 'wrong' with it per se.

More of the fact that when you get to 42" and above the picture quality of an LCD is not as good as its plasma equivalent.

I hope that clarifies what I meant.


stuartgeary
Id ignore this guys comments - he hasnt really done his research in HD equipment

voted hot btw i moved from pioneer plasma to sammy lcds


Ev0lution
Well thats me told. Which is something indeed, given you clearly dont have a clue what you are talking about.

Im trying to help people by quoting facts.


I wish someone would clear this up. You can't just make a unsubstantiated statement and call it a fact, or prove someone wrong just by saying they're wrong. I'm looking to buy a new TV, so I've been reading up on them without bias (as my previous TV was a 25" CRT) and I was under the impression that these Samsung LCD TVs (the new series that came out about a year ago) were absolutey brilliant (especially if you go for a 6 series, as they're 100hz and 24fp). Also, I have a couple of friends who have Samsung LCD TVs and from what I've watched on them, they look excellent, they also look good when compared to other TVs in the shops. I was actually looking at this TV in particular - either this or the 52" 6 series, which is why this thread caught my eye. Now you've got me doubtful.

From a little research (ok, Wikipedia) I've read that plasma screens have very low-luminance, which means they show black better than LCD screens do (LCD shows black as more of a very dark grey, although the greater the contrast ratio the more this grey approaches black) and will have less motion blur than LCD screens. But as these are problems inherent in the technology of LCD, surely huge advancements have been made in these departments - and from the reviews I've read of these Samsung TVs, black is black and blurring is a minimum.

So for anyone who is directly comparing TVs (like 'I had a Samsung, it was rubbish' or 'I went from a Pioneer to a Samsung, the Samsung was better'), it's not a good comparison unless you can state actual model numbers - because technology is changing all the time, so which models of TV are you actually comparing? When this new series of Samsung LCD came out I was tempted to get a TV from the older series at a discounted price (the old 46" LEM87) but was seriously put off by reports of the terrible motion blur and banding on them. Is this sort of thing still an issue with the new 6 series and, if so, what is an equivalent plasma TV that has better specifications?
#32
shadowdogg
Your living in the past plasma lovers. LCD is on par with plasma now. and OLED owns them all

:w00t: Hahaha, whattt? Since when? Put a Panasonic or Pioneer plasma next to any LCD and the difference is huge, the technology behind LCD panels can't compare to plasma. OLED goes to what, 11"? Yeah, really owning them all there!
banned#33
reddragon105
I wish someone would clear this up. You can't just make a unsubstantiated statement and call it a fact, or prove someone wrong just by saying they're wrong. I'm looking to buy a new TV, so I've been reading up on them without bias (as my previous TV was a 25" CRT) and I was under the impression that these Samsung LCD TVs (the new series that came out about a year ago) were absolutey brilliant (especially if you go for a 6 series, as they're 100hz and 24fp). Also, I have a couple of friends who have Samsung LCD TVs and from what I've watched on them, they look excellent, they also look good when compared to other TVs in the shops. I was actually looking at this TV in particular - either this or the 52" 6 series, which is why this thread caught my eye. Now you've got me doubtful.

From a little research (ok, Wikipedia) I've read that plasma screens have very low-luminance, which means they show black better than LCD screens do (LCD shows black as more of a very dark grey, although the greater the contrast ratio the more this grey approaches black) and will have less motion blur than LCD screens. But as these are problems inherent in the technology of LCD, surely huge advancements have been made in these departments - and from the reviews I've read of these Samsung TVs, black is black and blurring is a minimum.

So for anyone who is directly comparing TVs (like 'I had a Samsung, it was rubbish' or 'I went from a Pioneer to a Samsung, the Samsung was better'), it's not a good comparison unless you can state actual model numbers - because technology is changing all the time, so which models of TV are you actually comparing? When this new series of Samsung LCD came out I was tempted to get a TV from the older series at a discounted price (the old 46" LEM87) but was seriously put off by reports of the terrible motion blur and banding on them. Is this sort of thing still an issue with the new 6 series and, if so, what is an equivalent plasma TV that has better specifications?



Its personal choice, some prefer plasma, some prefer LCD
#34
reddragon105
I wish someone would clear this up. You can't just make a unsubstantiated statement and call it a fact, or prove someone wrong just by saying they're wrong. I'm looking to buy a new TV, so I've been reading up on them without bias (as my previous TV was a 25" CRT) and I was under the impression that these Samsung LCD TVs (the new series that came out about a year ago) were absolutey brilliant (especially if you go for a 6 series, as they're 100hz and 24fp). Also, I have a couple of friends who have Samsung LCD TVs and from what I've watched on them, they look excellent, they also look good when compared to other TVs in the shops. I was actually looking at this TV in particular - either this or the 52" 6 series, which is why this thread caught my eye. Now you've got me doubtful.

From a little research (ok, Wikipedia) I've read that plasma screens have very low-luminance, which means they show black better than LCD screens do (LCD shows black as more of a very dark grey, although the greater the contrast ratio the more this grey approaches black) and will have less motion blur than LCD screens. But as these are problems inherent in the technology of LCD, surely huge advancements have been made in these departments - and from the reviews I've read of these Samsung TVs, black is black and blurring is a minimum.

So for anyone who is directly comparing TVs (like 'I had a Samsung, it was rubbish' or 'I went from a Pioneer to a Samsung, the Samsung was better'), it's not a good comparison unless you can state actual model numbers - because technology is changing all the time, so which models of TV are you actually comparing? When this new series of Samsung LCD came out I was tempted to get a TV from the older series at a discounted price (the old 46" LEM87) but was seriously put off by reports of the terrible motion blur and banding on them. Is this sort of thing still an issue with the new 6 series and, if so, what is an equivalent plasma TV that has better specifications?


There are pros and cons to both technology however most would be happy to what they have brought and claim that is the better one. Personally I way prefer plasma televisions over LCD's as they look more like CRT's - better real contrast, viewing angles, black levels, motion handing. But with advances on LED backlit LCD's, they have leveled that playing field in terms of black levels and contrast. Best thing you can do if you're in the market for a new tele is physically shop around because its all welll reading posts in forums/reviews but they won't show you which one if better to your liking.
#35
shadowdogg
Your living in the past plasma lovers. LCD is on par with plasma now. and OLED owns them all


you couldnt be more wrong if that was the case why has panasonic just done a new range of plasmas that are winning awards, the panny 42gx10 creams the new oed screen that is on the tv adverts everyday now saying its all this, if u want help and advise for stuff like this visit the AV forums where people actually test this stuff u get honest help and advise from them.
#36
reddragon105
I wish someone would clear this up. You can't just make a unsubstantiated statement and call it a fact, or prove someone wrong just by saying they're wrong. I'm looking to buy a new TV, so I've been reading up on them without bias (as my previous TV was a 25" CRT) and I was under the impression that these Samsung LCD TVs (the new series that came out about a year ago) were absolutey brilliant (especially if you go for a 6 series, as they're 100hz and 24fp). Also, I have a couple of friends who have Samsung LCD TVs and from what I've watched on them, they look excellent, they also look good when compared to other TVs in the shops. I was actually looking at this TV in particular - either this or the 52" 6 series, which is why this thread caught my eye. Now you've got me doubtful.

From a little research (ok, Wikipedia) I've read that plasma screens have very low-luminance, which means they show black better than LCD screens do (LCD shows black as more of a very dark grey, although the greater the contrast ratio the more this grey approaches black) and will have less motion blur than LCD screens. But as these are problems inherent in the technology of LCD, surely huge advancements have been made in these departments - and from the reviews I've read of these Samsung TVs, black is black and blurring is a minimum.

So for anyone who is directly comparing TVs (like 'I had a Samsung, it was rubbish' or 'I went from a Pioneer to a Samsung, the Samsung was better'), it's not a good comparison unless you can state actual model numbers - because technology is changing all the time, so which models of TV are you actually comparing? When this new series of Samsung LCD came out I was tempted to get a TV from the older series at a discounted price (the old 46" LEM87) but was seriously put off by reports of the terrible motion blur and banding on them. Is this sort of thing still an issue with the new 6 series and, if so, what is an equivalent plasma TV that has better specifications?


If you want to buy a TV and know what every button on the remote does and how to get the best out of it in every possible combination of settings, what model is exactly the best one to buy or what to avoid, you should be trawling AV Forums not HUKD.

I didnt make an unsubstantiated fact at all. If people bothered to check the internet they would know this but I am not going to start posting websites just for the sake of it. Its not as if I am deliberately trying to give someone a bum steer here.
#37
I've been looking for a new tv for a couple of months and this (or rather the 656 model....technically identical) where on the top of my list...until I saw the new 7020s. However those are nearly twice the price of this. I've looked at the Panasonic plasmas....very nice but the judder on SD content was incredibly off-putting and given I have a HTPC as my main content source the prospect of burn in would be very real with plasma.

Anyways, point being that at this price these are VERY nice sets and I am tempted to buy one myself....just a matter of persuading myself that the LED 46" 7020/8000 is too much money.

Oh and for everyone harping on about OLED being around the corner...well yes, however we'll be looking at 3-5 years before the technology comes down to a more "mainstream" price point.
#38
wewontgetfooleda
if u want help and advise for stuff like this visit the AV forums where people actually test this stuff u get honest help and advise from them.


Exactly. Huge thread on this panel itself - worth looking at and more or less discounting what is said here (not everyone though - some good advice floats around from time to time).
#39
Ev0lution
If you want to buy a TV and know what every button on the remote does and how to get the best out of it in every possible combination of settings, what model is exactly the best one to buy or what to avoid, you should be trawling AV Forums not HUKD.

I didnt make an unsubstantiated fact at all. If people bothered to check the internet they would know this but I am not going to start posting websites just for the sake of it. Its not as if I am deliberately trying to give someone a bum steer here.


I do visit AVForums quite a bit, which is what led me to generally believe that this series of Samsung TV is excellent. It's from that forum that I learned about the problems with the old series (Ms and Ns) that put me off buying one of those (I think it was fixed with a firmware revision, but of course there isn't really a way of checking which firmware a TV has when you order it and it's pretty hard to update the firmware). It's also from that forum that I gathered that generally LCD technology has come forward in leaps and bounds recently, putting it on par with plasma (just compare the LE46M87 with this LE46A686 - the old series has a contrast ratio of 15,000:1, the new ones have 50,000:1 - that's got to mean far better black).

I'm not making an argument for or against here - I'm looking to buy and I don't mind being steered by people who have already bought. The only HD TVs I have personal experience with are my parents' and my brother's which are both Samsung LCDs and from what I've seen, I can't fault them, but that doesn't mean that a plasma TV wouldn't be better.

Your unsubstantiated fact was when you said:

Ev0lution
To the people who are asking.

There is nothing 'wrong' with it per se.

More of the fact that when you get to 42" and above the picture quality of an LCD is not as good as its plasma equivalent.

I hope that clarifies what I meant.


And you didn't say why or how the picture quality isn't as good on an LCD. True, there are technical reasons, which I found out by searching, but you didn't give any details. I understand that you're not trying to give it a bum steer, and I appreciate that, I was just looking for information before I go and spend £800. I'd love to be able to go into Comet or Currys and play on a few Xbox 360 and PS3 games for a few hours to find the best TV, but I don't think they'd be happy with that (especially when I just leave to go order the TV online). It's really tough to compare TVs in the shops, especially when looking for one with gaming in mind, because they just put TV channels on, which usually aren't even in HD (I can't remember if it was Comet or Currys, but I walked around of those shops one day, looking at TVs, and every single one of them was connected with an old coax aerial cable :? Hardly doing them justice). So I'm just interested to hear anyone's experience with a HD TV...
#40
No PC port?

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