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Samsung F4 2TB 3.5" Hard Drive @ eBuyer £61.94 Delivered.

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Decent price for a 2TB drive and performs very well for a 5400rpm drive due to the high density of the platters. Some of the common questions asked in every HD thread on here answered ... So… Read More
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Decent price for a 2TB drive and performs very well for a 5400rpm drive due to the high density of the platters.

Some of the common questions asked in every HD thread on here answered ...

Sorry it will not fit inside a PS3 you need a 2.5" drive for that.
No it is not slow because it is only 5400rpm.

If you order one it is worth updating the firmware
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/faqView.do?b2b_bbs_msg_id=386
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#1
Very good price - HOT!
#2
are these drives that bad with the stock firmware, or is it very rare in the real world?
#3
these kepp dropping by the hour lol.

i am too sceptical about the reliability - W20EARS looks a safer bet when its down as £68
#4
Amazon's the same I think.
#5
.......yeah, it is
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-EcoGreen-5400RPM-SATA-II-Internal/dp/B0042SGDVG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1296090258&sr=8-1
Prefer Amazon, I think.
TBF eBuyers returns are decent too.
But Amazon I have NEVER had a problem with !
1 Like #6
PhilK
.......yeah, it is[url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.co.uk%2FSamsung-EcoGreen-5400RPM-SATA-II-Internal%2Fdp%2FB0042SGDVG%2Fref%3Dsr_1_1%3Fie%3DUTF8%26qid%3D1296090258%26sr%3D8-1]
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-EcoGreen-5400RPM-SATA-II-Internal/dp/B0042SGDVG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1296090258&sr=8-1[/url]
Prefer Amazon, I think.
TBF eBuyers returns are decent too.
But Amazon I have NEVER had a problem with !


Amazon is better retailer. Don't think anyone can beat them. They pay for return shipping and never ask any questions.
#7
Glad I ordered a few of these at the start of the week before you ganets caught wind of them lol.

I did consider the W20EARS but these drives were for a NAS, and the WD are listed as incompatible with the one I went for (a QNAP)
#8
Deal_HUNT3R
these kepp dropping by the hour lol.

i am too sceptical about the reliability - W20EARS looks a safer bet when its down as £68


WD has Load Cycle Count problem. Pretty serious if you keep drive in PC/NAS that is on for 24/7. WD also has RAID problems.
#9
ctafield
Glad I ordered a few of these at the start of the week before you ganets caught wind of them lol.I did consider the W20EARS but these drives were for a NAS, and the WD are listed as incompatible with the one I went for (a QNAP)

you may want to double check these work ok in a QNAP i see lots of info about them having issues in QNAP's
#10
Does anyone know if you can put this into USB 3 caddy (3.5" SATA USB 3.0 Hard Drive Enclosure Case) and if it will work at USB 3 speeds? Thinking of getting one and running it as external HDD, any tips?
#11
tonywlee, yes, it'll be fine for that

you'll need to setup the disc in 'disk management' in windows
#12
SOSAGES
ctafield
Glad I ordered a few of these at the start of the week before you ganets caught wind of them lol.I did consider the W20EARS but these drives were for a NAS, and the WD are listed as incompatible with the one I went for (a QNAP)


you may want to double check these work ok in a QNAP i see lots of info about them having issues in QNAP's


I read some saying there were issues, and others saying that the F4's are ok? I hate buying drives for NAS boxes. I went through the same headaches when I had a Synology :( Will find out soon enough I guess!
#13
Bought one from Scan the other week for the same price. Nice drive, excellent for backup, not tried it for main drive.

NOTE: If you apply the firmware update the version of the firmware reported by the update tool does not change!
#14
i think they work but have issues reporting correctly (or something) its all to do with the sector size i think + people who make hard drives really want u to buy the high end models for NAS's :(
#15
That might be because you already had the latest firmware.

I have two of these drives, the first one I bought had the earlier version so I updated the firmware, the second drive that I had bought already had the latest firmware.

The bug only effects NCQ. If you don't have your bios controller set to ahci or raid then you don't need to update.

Tempted to get another, far better than buying blank dvds and saving time it would take to burn over 400 dvds+verify. Also the storage space for 400 dvds plus cases and the cost.

I wouldn't even consider blank bluray disks.
#16
Could anyone recommend a pair of these these specifically for use with RND2000 ReadyNAS?
#17
PhilK
.......yeah, it is[url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.co.uk%2FSamsung-EcoGreen-5400RPM-SATA-II-Internal%2Fdp%2FB0042SGDVG%2Fref%3Dsr_1_1%3Fie%3DUTF8%26qid%3D1296090258%26sr%3D8-1]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-EcoGreen-5400RPM-SATA-II-Internal/dp/B0042SGDVG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1296090258&sr=8-1[/url]Prefer Amazon, I think.TBF eBuyers returns are decent too.But Amazon I have NEVER had a problem with !


Yeah I agree
#18
good price so i will vote hot but in my opinion they are garbage drives i had 4 1.5tb f3 drives and two are now dead, i paid the extra and bought western digital
#19
Just update your firmware it will be fine then
#20
I bought 4 of these from Amazon, 2 for my PC and 2 for my Netgear Stora NAS (RAID 1 configuration). I wouldn't even consider buying the WD version after the trouble I've had with their HDD's
#21
CTPAHHIK
Deal_HUNT3R
these kepp dropping by the hour lol.

i am too sceptical about the reliability - W20EARS looks a safer bet when its down as £68


WD has Load Cycle Count problem. Pretty serious if you keep drive in PC/NAS that is on for 24/7. WD also has RAID problems.


Load Cycle problem is easily fixed and remember this Samsung needs a firmware fix!
I think the the 4K problem that means the WD20EARS runs slow in some raids would affect any 4K drive (like this Samsung F4).
I have an F4 / WD20EARS pair in my Readynas Duo. No problems (yet). The WD came free in my NAS, but skinflint that I am the F4 was £5 cheaper when I was buying my mirror drive ;)
#22
At this price 2TB drives now give you the most bytes-for-your-buck.

These HD204UI's are pretty speedy performers too...
http://www.harddrivebenchmark.net/hdd_list.php
#23
Chuckles1001
are these drives that bad with the stock firmware, or is it very rare in the real world?


updating is easy - samsung website has details.... I've bought three and they all needed the update
#24
The update takes seconds, you have to do it in dos and the drive must be the first drive on you controller according to Samsung.

Use a usb stick - format with "HP USB Boot Utility".
#25
Anyone know if 2 of these would be ok for this dlink nas.

Amazon
#26
Gort1951
The update takes seconds, you have to do it in dos and the drive must be the first drive on you controller according to Samsung.

Use a usb stick - format with "HP USB Boot Utility".


Of course it's not easy at all if like me all you have in the house is laptops and a NAS (i.e no USB bootable machine with a sata connection to plug the drive into) ;)


Edited By: wombat6025 on Jan 30, 2011 02:47
#27
When my Samsung Spinpoint F4 HD204UI 2TB is turned off there is a weird relatively loud 'knocking' sound of slowing down spinning plates. Here is the record of the sound (please, turn the volume up to hear it):
http://www.avforums.com/forums/attachments/pvrs-vcrs/223015d1296422657-humax-hdr-fox-t2-upgraded-2tb-101118_01.mp3
I have never heard such a sound in any other hard drives (including older Samsung hard drives).
Is your Samsung F4 HD making that noise when turning it off?
#28
Do your HDs vibrate? If so how much? Touch them to feel it. I found an interesting message about vibration of those Samsung models:
SPCR • View topic - SpinPoint EcoGreen F4EG 2TB HD204UI/Z4
#29
Verbatim USB 3.0 Desktop Hard Drive 2TB has Samsung HD204UI (reported by operating system).

1. That hard drive needs a firmware update, otherwise data might be lost according to Samsung:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/faqView.do?b2b_bbs_msg_id=386

However, it is not possible to apply Samsung firmware fix, because Samsung software (patch tool) does not recognize the drive, when it is in Verbatim USB enclosure.

I tried it even with USBASPI V2.20 MS-DOS Driver:
http://hddguru.com/software/2006.02.09-USBASPI-MS-DOS-Driver/
to no avail.

It is not possible to remove the hard drive from the enclosure in order to apply the fix, without loosing warranty, as there is "Warranty void if broken" sticker.

Is there any software, which would allow to update the firmware of the Samsung HD204UI hard drive without removing it from the enclosure?

Because of USB enclosure it is also not possible to use any tool for testing the hard drive surface (and SMART status), including Samsung's diagnostic software: ESTOOL v. 3.01 and MHDD (with ASPI driver it can detect it, but says 'drive not ready')

Any idea how to get around this?

2. Verbatim in their Quick Start Guide says (in capital bold letters):
"Verbatim will not be liable for data loss or any incidental, consequential or special damages, however caused, for breach of warranties or otherwise."

However, I believe that Verbatim cannot deny its liability for data loss in this case, because Verbatim is selling a faulty product (with a known fault, which can be fixed only by firmware update or hard drive exchange to a newer revision), and Verbatim, so far, has not provided any solution.

3. Samsung HD204UI hard drive, as most of other 2 TB hard drives is built in Advanced Format:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/productmodel.do?group=72&type=94
&subtype=98&model_cd=552&tab=fea&ppmi=1219

This means that it needs to have partitions properly aligned, otherwise it might work considerably slower and cause other problems.
This is so because with the emulation of 512B sectors, there is the risk that a partition could be misaligned compared to the 4K physical sectors - where it would be unwittingly started in the middle of such a sector. As a result, the clusters of a file system on that partition would end up straddling 4K sectors, which would cause performance problems.

Verbatim is providing the drive pre-formatted to FAT 32. But have they aligned it properly?
I think they should warn their customers about that aligning problem (particularly if someone would like to change formatting for example to NTFS).
Partitioning the hard drive under Windows 7 should align it properly. But Verbatim could provide their customers with a special tool from Acronis and/or Paragon to align the partitions (like WD did).

You can read more about Advanced Format HDs and the alignment problem on those pages:
http://seagate.com/docs/pdf/whitepaper/tp613_transition_to_4k_sectors.pdf
http://consumer.media.seagate.com/2010/03/the-digital-den/4k-sector-hard-drive-primer/
http://seagate.com/docs/pdf/whitepaper/mb604_4k_transition_faq.pdf
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2888
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/jimmymay/archive/2009/05/08/disk-partition-alignment-sector-alignment-make-the-case-with-this-template.aspx

4. Last but not least: why is warranty for Verbatim product lasting only 2 years in the European Union (and in most of other places in the world), while in USA warranty lasts 7 years: http://www.verbatim.com/UserFiles/File/Hardware%20Limited%207-Year%20Warranty.pdf
http://www.verbatim.com/prod/hard-drives/desktop/usb-3.0/ ?

Why do they discriminate Europeans regarding warranty so grossly?
#30
Now 69.09

Thinking of buying from Amazon at the old price but am apalled at the fact they shove it in a DVD mailer and let it drop through your letterbox!
#31
markbloke
Now 69.09

Thinking of buying from Amazon at the old price but am apalled at the fact they shove it in a DVD mailer and let it drop through your letterbox!


I actually ordered 2 of these from Amazon and they sent me 2 DVD drives. Go figure.
#32
Now gone up to £84.71
#33
scope
Now gone up to £84.71


Mad oO

Edited By: dragonf on Feb 13, 2011 21:10
#34
Now £60.10, lol
#35
WTF, they only had 1 in stock but thats been taken its gone back up to 84.71 and more stock has arrived, lol
#36
There have been tested 5 hard drives using different tests (mainly surface access times tests):

1. Samsung HD204UI in Verbatim 2 TB 3.0 USB enclosure.
2. Samsung SP1614N
3. WDC WD6400AAKS
4. WDC WD1600BEVS
5. Seagate ST320410A

The tests results are in 149 files of the screenshots of these tests, available to download in this thread:
http://forum.hddguru.com/surface-test-hdds-t18575.html

1. Generally Samsung drives (even the new 2TB Samsung HD204UI) seem to have considerably poorer quality of the surface comparing to the 3 years old (or so) Western Digital WDC WD6400AAKS.

2. I would like to see similar tests, in particular of other brands and models of 2 TB hard drives. Please upload your tests results in that thread (click the link above).

3. I wonder why in some hard drives slower access times can bee seen aligning in some diagonal patterns (in HD204UI) and why in some other drives (in WDC WD1600BEVS) a checkered pattern appears (only from the second half of the scan) which "shape" changes regularly depending on the part of the disk surface scanned, while in some other drives no such regular patterns are present?

4. Why is there such a difference in SMART status health notification between various software for Samsung SP1614N (it is red for most of the tests in HDD Health and everything OK in HD Tune)? There is also a significant difference in MHDD scan result and HDDScan result for SP1614N.

5. BTW, it took ca. 31 h to test Samsung HD204UI in Verbatim 2 TB 3.0 USB enclosure on USB 2.0 port.

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