Samsung F4 EcoGreen 2TB 32MB 5400RPM 3.5 inch SATA-II Internal Hard Drive - OEM - £64.29 Delivered @ Amazon - HotUKDeals
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Just bought 4 of these for myself, £64.29 for 2tb in a drive that i've seen good reviews for, doesn't suffer from on-off count bug of the WD's. This is internal sata-II btw, not external.

Better for storage than as a system drive due to low RPM, but overall a great find.

SAMSUNG 2TB SATAII INTERNAL HDD HD204UI Samsung HDD

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Bootable CD ISO Firmware Patch: http://captaingeek.net/how-to/samsung-f4-ecogreen-f4eg-firmware-bug-patch/
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[mod]#1
Hi italoarmstrong
Please don't post tinyurls - they are often used to disguise virus' / trojans etc amongst other unsavoury things. Thanks.
I'll fix the link as the link you posted does not go to any deal
#2
Hardisks, cheaper than bacon..

£63 at scan Today Only, i'd buy from there but not everyone has free delivery
#3
andywedge
Hi italoarmstrong
Please don't post tinyurls - they are often used to disguise virus' / trojans etc amongst other unsavoury things. Thanks.
I'll fix the link as the link you posted does not go to any deal


Sorry, this is only my 3rd deal...
[mod]#4
italoarmstrong

Sorry, this is only my 3rd deal...

No worries - most are (like yours - a deal link) but they can be used for malicious means.
Andy
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http://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/faqView.do?b2b_bbs_msg_id=386
for details on how to upgrade the firmware.... to prevent data loss in some situations.... affects certain model numbers. I've three of these drives and they all updated fine... not had any problems with them.
#6
yeah i read about that weemee002, do you know if its a bug affecting everyone or just 1 in 10000e10 people or something?
#7
well I ordered three of these drives from three difference companies over the period of 2 months and all of them were one of the model numbers affected!!!!
#8
does running the firmware updater affect any of the existing data on the drive (mine are used in a ZFS RAID solution)
#9
no data was changed. You can run the update with a system that is running other kinds of hard disks too, it searches and only updates the affected drives :-) Was painless once I'd made a bootable USB stick.... don't have a floppy drive!
#10
hmm... my system isn't bootable via usb and doesn't have a floppy drive, can i not just make a bootable freedos cdrom or something?
#11
I found this link to be most useful when I updated the firmware of my F4s. I even managed to make a bootable USB drive for PCs on my Mac. Once you have made your bootable USB drive just copy the F4EG.EXE file onto it and run that once you have booted from the USB drive.
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/46707-ms-dos-bootable-flash-drive-create.html
#12
I just bought another 3 bringing my total to 7 of these :) Also.... i'll post a link to an burnable ISO I made earlier that you can use to update the drive firmwares without messing around.

Now off to buy a more powerful psu!
#13
Thank you. Ordered.
#14
anyone brought one of these recently what was the creation date on the drive please?
#15
italoarmstrong
I just bought another 3 bringing my total to 7 of these :)

I can't imagine why you would need 14tb of disc space .... hold on, I've thought of something (_;)!
#16
i think these have issues in NAS systems due to the new 4k thing...or perhaps the firmware from samsung fixes that
#17
AugQX
Hardisks, cheaper than bacon..£63 at scan Today Only, i'd buy from there but not everyone has free delivery
Some of us keep reminding people on HUKD to get the free shipping, so there's no excuses for most people.
These are almost always cheaper at Scan.

Also cheaper at Novatech (free economy delivery) £64.98 -
http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/components/harddrives-internal/sataover1tb/Samsung/HD204UI.html

Do people never bother looking elsewhere when voting hot?

Edited By: jukkie on Jan 17, 2011 09:40
#18
Hi there soes anyone know if this will work well (or at all) with a DRX780 sky box?
#19
jukkie
AugQX
Hardisks, cheaper than bacon..£63 at scan Today Only, i'd buy from there but not everyone has free delivery

Some of us keep reminding people on HUKD to get the free shipping, so there's no excuses for most people.
These are almost always cheaper at Scan.

Also cheaper at Novatech (free economy delivery) £64.98 -

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/components/harddrives-internal/sataover1tb/Samsung/HD204UI.html


Do people never bother looking elsewhere when voting hot?


Unless of course you live in N. Ireland and the shipping from Scan is probably something silly like £15.
So its a lot better to order from Amazon for us.
#20
£63.98 @ ocuk as well good if u live near stoke ;)
#21
SOSAGES
i think these have issues in NAS systems due to the new 4k thing...or perhaps the firmware from samsung fixes that


afaik these don't use 4kb sectors.
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Also here is the bootable patch cd ISO as promised that i made: http://captaingeek.net/how-to/samsung-f4-ecogreen-f4eg-firmware-bug-patch/
#23
italoarmstrong
SOSAGES
i think these have issues in NAS systems due to the new 4k thing...or perhaps the firmware from samsung fixes that
afaik these don't use 4kb sectors.

I believe F4 are Advanced format drives. ie. they probably do use 4kb per sector if I'm not mistaken

http://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/productmodel.do?group=&type=94&subtype=98&model_cd=552
#24
Thinking of getting either an AC Ryan Playon or an Asus Oplay- would this work with either of those?
#25
i put these into a ZFS raidz, which does currently not support 4kb sectors... so if these are advanced format drives then they must support emulation back to standard format?, which I believe causes performance issues? Although i am getting very decent speeds on my raidz
#26
jukkie
AugQX
Hardisks, cheaper than bacon..£63 at scan Today Only, i'd buy from there but not everyone has free delivery

Some of us keep reminding people on HUKD to get the free shipping, so there's no excuses for most people.
These are almost always cheaper at Scan.

Also cheaper at Novatech (free economy delivery) £64.98 -

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/components/harddrives-internal/sataover1tb/Samsung/HD204UI.html


Do people never bother looking elsewhere when voting hot?


I agree, cheaper at Novatech now and previously these have been £61 at Amazon. Cold from me.
#27
To the OP, you mentioned the 'on-off count bug' with WD drives. Can you please elaborate on this as I was going to get this 'WD20EARS 2TB Hard Drive SATAII 64MB Cache' from ebuyer for £70
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/183971
Mainly because of the 64Mb cache.

Thanks.
#28
is this the same drive?
Samsung 2TB SpinPoint EcoGreen F4EG SATA3 32MB Hard Drive (Mfr#: HD204UI/Z4)
£64.83 at Dabs

What does the Z4 part mean ?
#29
Guan, basically there is a bug in the WD firmware that makes the drives "green" the 300,000 mbtf will run out a lot lot faster than any other drive as the heads disengage a lot more frequently. I'll dig out the WD support URL later, they released a tool for windows but no firmware update. I use my drives for storage so it's important for me I have long life drives.

P.S I'm a software developer, my software is 4gb
#30
italoarmstrong
Also here is the bootable patch cd ISO as promised that i made: http://captaingeek.net/how-to/samsung-f4-ecogreen-f4eg-firmware-bug-patch/

Thanks for the cd :)
#31
jukkie

Also cheaper at Novatech (free economy delivery) £64.98 -

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/components/harddrives-internal/sataover1tb/Samsung/HD204UI.html


Do people never bother looking elsewhere when voting hot?

plus 3.03% cashback too, another two quid odd off :)
#32
going to buy 4 of these so this thread will come in handy, cheers
#33
italoarmstrong
Guan, basically there is a bug in the WD firmware that makes the drives "green" the 300,000 mbtf will run out a lot lot faster than any other drive as the heads disengage a lot more frequently. I'll dig out the WD support URL later, they released a tool for windows but no firmware update. I use my drives for storage so it's important for me I have long life drives.

P.S I'm a software developer, my software is 4gb


Thanks for the feedback.
What do you think the chances are of WD releasing a firmware patch?
I'm looking for a storage drive to eventually go in a HTPC. For now though I'm planning to put it into a USB2 hdd enclosure. I need it to be relatively fast and very quite. Reading the feedback for the WD, it seems to be both faster and quieter than the F4 though I'm gonna try and look for the noise level specs for both.
I was also looking at the 2TB Iomega USB drive, http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/iomega-2tb-select-desktop-usb-2-0-73-99-dabs/854474
but have no idea what drive is inside the unit.
#34
After reading the reviews for the WD on amazon, I'm going for this Samsung instead. Already have a Samsung 1.5TB F3 drive sitting in a DVR and apart from slow access times I've not had any bother with it. Thanks OP.
#35
RAhmed1234
Hi there soes anyone know if this will work well (or at all) with a DRX780 sky box?
RAhmed1234
Hi there soes anyone know if this will work well (or at all) with a DRX780 sky box?


Read the comments here -http://www.avforums.com/forums/sky-hd-sky-3d/982198-sky-hd-2tb-drive-anyone-tried.html
Would appear there is still a limit which would give 1.5TB from the 2TB but whether it's worth it?? Also read up on the subject at http://www.skycopyplus.co.uk/forum/index.php - brilliant forum and website especially invaluable when thinking of upgrading your sky box :-) Hope this helps
1 Like #36
Guan
What do you think the chances are of WD releasing a firmware patch?
I'm looking for a storage drive to eventually go in a HTPC. For now though I'm planning to put it into a USB2 hdd enclosure. I need it to be relatively fast and very quite. Reading the feedback for the WD, it seems to be both faster and quieter than the F4 though I'm gonna try and look for the noise level specs for both.
I was also looking at the 2TB Iomega USB drive, http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/iomega-2tb-select-desktop-usb-2-0-73-99-dabs/854474
but have no idea what drive is inside the unit.


There is effectively a firmware patch you just use wdidle3 (WD DOS util) that sets the inbuilt idle setting of the drive. Change it from 5 seconds to 5 minutes and all is good.

There's an ultimate boot cd with wdidle3 on it if you have problems making a bootable disc :- http://www.jzab.de/content/ultimate-boot-cd-wdidle3-util-included


To set the parking to be down after 5 minutes of idling, type
wdidle3 /S300

/S300 = 300 seconds = 5 minutes



Edited By: Slateman on Jan 18, 2011 19:41: Added 5 minutes idle command
#37
Slateman

There is effectively a firmware patch you just use wdidle3 (WD DOS util) that sets the inbuilt idle setting of the drive. Change it from 5 seconds to 5 minutes and all is good.

There's an ultimate boot cd with wdidle3 on it if you have problems making a bootable disc :- http://www.jzab.de/content/ultimate-boot-cd-wdidle3-util-included


To set the parking to be down after 5 minutes of idling, type
wdidle3 /S300

/S300 = 300 seconds = 5 minutes


Thanks for this but already ordered the Samsung mainly because of reliability feedback. Surprised there was no mention of this work around on any of Amazons reviews. Must be effecting WD's sales.
#38
as much as i love WD, don't believe the wdidle tool is a fix... it merely means that instead of you clocking up your start-stop cycles to 300,000 in a year or 2, it will take a bit longer... still... with a normal hdd you can expect 300,000 to last longer than the you'll be using the hard drive for.

The samsungs are cheaper, have quite good reviews and so far so good from me.
#39
italoarmstrong
as much as i love WD, don't believe the wdidle tool is a fix... it merely means that instead of you clocking up your start-stop cycles to 300,000 in a year or 2, it will take a bit longer... still... with a normal hdd you can expect 300,000 to last longer than the you'll be using the hard drive for.


It is a fix - it stops it parking every 5 seconds which meant before it was parking even when playing a video off it because of buffering.

The Load_Cycle_Count had gone up by over 250 in the first 12 hours I had it, since I ran wdidle3 it's gone up by 50 in a week (and that with a rather conservative 5 min idle time - you can turn it off completely). So by my reckoning the Load_Cycle_Count won't hit 300,000 for over 115 years, and even if it uses 500 a week it's still going to be 11.5 years.

I'm quite happy with that. I would be more concerned about the F4 than the WD20EARS, a firmware update for possible data corruption doesn't inspire much confidence.





Edited By: Slateman on Jan 19, 2011 19:01: typos
#40
How would i update the drives in my NAS box (have four of these in there im abit worried now) !

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