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Brand: Samsung
Mfr Part Number: HD204UI
Hard Drive Size: 2 TB
Hard Disk Rotational Speed: 5400 rpm
Data Transfer Rate: 375



NEEDS FIRMWARE UPDATE - or risk losing your data !

Fix here :

http://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/faqView.do?b2b_bbs_msg_id=386
- Mecoconuts

12:51 21/01/2011 - Now £63.99
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#1
Thanks OP... bought!
#2
Installed one of those. It's very quiet and has low operating temperature. Was getting 24C under load. Can't say that it's fast (but I did not expect it to be), around 80MB for sustained data write in Windows 7.
#3
Can anyone who has bought one before from Amazon verify that they have a full 3 year warranty on the Samsung warranty page please?

http://www.samsunghddvalue.com/WebRMA/WarrantyCheck/endUserWarrantychecker.aspx

Edited By: Ashe on Jan 21, 2011 07:43
banned#4
Ashe
Can anyone who has bought one before from Amazon verify that they have a full 3 year warranty on the Samsung warranty page please?


http://www.samsunghddvalue.com/WebRMA/WarrantyCheck/endUserWarrantychecker.aspx



Why on earth wouldn't you? They do not give different sellers different warrentys if that is what you are implying. It is a manufacture warrenty and will show on the site as 3 years from the day it was made. Since these only got release less then a year ago they will have pretty much the full 3 years showing on the checker no matter where you buy them ( will be a few months off no matter where bought from unless manufactured this month) .

Since they cannot know as and when you buy it if your drive breaks more then 3 years after it was made but less then 3 years after you bought it you just need to use your reciept as proof.






Edited By: Reser on Jan 21, 2011 07:51
banned#5
Since mine litrually just arrived after I posted I decided to do the warrenty check anyway.

here is the result.

Model Warranty information
Status In-wty Until Description
HD204UI INW 2014-02 In warranty


thats 3 years 10 days.





Edited By: Reser on Jan 21, 2011 08:07
#6
I've had two from Amazon and both have the three year warranty.
#7
Reser
Ashe
Can anyone who has bought one before from Amazon verify that they have a full 3 year warranty on the Samsung warranty page please?


http://www.samsunghddvalue.com/WebRMA/WarrantyCheck/endUserWarrantychecker.aspx



Why on earth wouldn't you? They do not give different sellers different warranties if that is what you are implying.


He's asking if the drives are Grey Imports. If the Hard Drive was meant for say sale in Turkey then if you are in the UK it will either say the warranty is not valid or it's shorter then the 3 years UK warranty (I don't know how long the warranty is in Turkey in this example). It is a standard practice by some companies to grey import btw.



Edited By: Slateman on Jan 21, 2011 08:10
banned#8
Slateman
Reser
Ashe
Can anyone who has bought one before from Amazon verify that they have a full 3 year warranty on the Samsung warranty page please?


http://www.samsunghddvalue.com/WebRMA/WarrantyCheck/endUserWarrantychecker.aspx



Why on earth wouldn't you? They do not give different sellers different warrentys if that is what you are implying.


He's asking if the drives are Grey Imports. If the Hard Drive was meant for say sale in Turkey then if it's you say you are in the UK it will either say the warranty is not valid or it's shorter then the 2 years. (I don't know how long the warranty is in Turkey in this example)


Who would think Amazon would deal in grey imports? maybe an Amazon seller, but Amazon would not touch that stuff.

In other news, the Amazon drives are effected by the firmware problem and one of the model numbers that need the firmware update from here : http://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/faqView.do?b2b_bbs_msg_id=386

Mine is Model HD204UI

Edited By: Reser on Jan 21, 2011 08:09
#9
Reser
Who would think Amazon would deal in grey imports? maybe an Amazon seller, but Amazon would not touch that stuff.


I don't believe Amazon would either, but the question is valid as pretty much every other PC bits supplier like eg ebuyer, scan, dabs/bt have according to google (and this forum) sold grey imports in the past.
#10
Bargain!!
Terrific value for money, just cloned my old boot drive on to one of these. It all functions fine, nice quiet drive too. (used Acronis) Now have wads of space to play with at last.
banned#11
sandozer
Bargain!!
Terrific value for money, just cloned my old boot drive on to one of these. It all functions fine, nice quiet drive too. (used Acronis) Now have wads of space to play with at last.


Not a great boot drive, better to pair it with a faster drive to boot from.
#13
I found this place the other day which is cheaper but charges £4 delivery so is similar in price if you want 1. I need 4 however fro my HP MicroServer I bought from the deal on here around Christmas. The total for 4 with delivery works out at £242.30 inc VAT and delivery compared to Amazons £257.92.

Of course Amazon are a better seller and I have never used this company before so am holding off ordering just yet.

http://dealforu.co.uk/epages/eshop330172.sf/?ObjectPath=/Shops/eshop330172/Products/HD204UI&ViewAction=ViewProductViaPortal&Locale=en_GB
#14
I once bought a hard drive from amazon - they put it in a bit of cardboard they would wrap a book up in.

What a joy it was to hear the thud on the floor as the postman posted it through the letterbox.

I ordered 4 from Scan last night 2x £119.99& £4 post
banned 1 Like #15
msharif911
I found this place the other day which is cheaper but charges £4 delivery so is similar in price if you want 1. I need 4 however fro my HP MicroServer I bought from the deal on here around Christmas. The total for 4 with delivery works out at £242.30 inc VAT and delivery compared to Amazons £257.92.

Of course Amazon are a better seller and I have never used this company before so am holding off ordering just yet.

http://dealforu.co.uk/epages/eshop330172.sf/?ObjectPath=/Shops/eshop330172/Products/HD204UI&ViewAction=ViewProductViaPortal&Locale=en_GB


Did you read the post above yours? You can buy 2 for £119 from Scan thats 4 for just £240. I would trust them over that website you found, very suspect.

itsisnot
I once bought a hard drive from amazon - they put it in a bit of cardboard they would wrap a book up in.

What a joy it was to hear the thud on the floor as the postman posted it through the letterbox.

I ordered 4 from Scan last night 2x £119.99& £4 post


I was worried they might do that with mine, was going to put a pillow down infront of door just in case lol! but i figured Amazon would have more sense. and they did, they come in one of those special HDD OEM boxes, with the foam e.t.c, also way too big to go through letter box.


Edited By: Reser on Jan 21, 2011 09:35
#16
Reser
msharif911
I found this place the other day which is cheaper but charges £4 delivery so is similar in price if you want 1. I need 4 however fro my HP MicroServer I bought from the deal on here around Christmas. The total for 4 with delivery works out at £242.30 inc VAT and delivery compared to Amazons £257.92.

Of course Amazon are a better seller and I have never used this company before so am holding off ordering just yet.

http://dealforu.co.uk/epages/eshop330172.sf/?ObjectPath=/Shops/eshop330172/Products/HD204UI&ViewAction=ViewProductViaPortal&Locale=en_GB


Did you read the post above yours? You can buy 2 for £119 from Scan thats 4 for just £240. I would trust them over that website you found, very suspect.


You are right. Even though I would have to pay delivery its only a couple of pounds more and worth the few extra to deal with a well known company.
#17
Reser
sandozer
Bargain!!
Terrific value for money, just cloned my old boot drive on to one of these. It all functions fine, nice quiet drive too. (used Acronis) Now have wads of space to play with at last.


Not a great boot drive, better to pair it with a faster drive to boot from.


What type do you use for boot ?
banned#18
sandozer
Reser
sandozer
Bargain!!
Terrific value for money, just cloned my old boot drive on to one of these. It all functions fine, nice quiet drive too. (used Acronis) Now have wads of space to play with at last.


Not a great boot drive, better to pair it with a faster drive to boot from.


What type do you use for boot ?


Well I am using a solid state drive. OCZ SSD 60GB.

Apparently the F4 are not terribly fast for booting from, but will be faster then some smaller capacity drives due to high density platter.

Edited By: Reser on Jan 21, 2011 09:55
#19
Reser
sandozer
Reser
sandozer
Bargain!!
Terrific value for money, just cloned my old boot drive on to one of these. It all functions fine, nice quiet drive too. (used Acronis) Now have wads of space to play with at last.


Not a great boot drive, better to pair it with a faster drive to boot from.


What type do you use for boot ?


Well I am using a OCZ SSD 60GB.

Apparently the F4 are not terribly fast for booting from, but will be faster then some smaller capacity drives due to high density platter.


Smokin!!!! Seek Time: < .1ms , and no moving parts.
#20
itsisnot
I once bought a hard drive from amazon - they put it in a bit of cardboard they would wrap a book up in.

What a joy it was to hear the thud on the floor as the postman posted it through the letterbox.

I ordered 4 from Scan last night 2x £119.99& £4 post


Mine came in plastic hard drive cases and then in big OEM boxes with padding... then as i bought 4 they were all further packed into a big box with even more padding... Seemed Amazon have perked up.
#21
have just bought 2 of these last week @67, how to update the firmware, i have these attached in the D-Link ShareCenter Pulse 2-bay?
#22
this is a duplicate of another thread.... search.
#23
grumpy111
this is a duplicate of another thread.... search.
over 2 quid cheaper than a week ago will be allowed...think
#24
NOW £63.99 !!!!
#25
5400 rpm - I'm debating whether I should shell out a bit more for a 7200 rpm drive - any thoughts?
#26
Now £63.99.
#27
DoktorMesmer
5400 rpm - I'm debating whether I should shell out a bit more for a 7200 rpm drive - any thoughts?

If you're using for storage etc you'll notice very little difference IMO.
Foz
#28
LINGY96
Now £63.99.
as posted 20 mins ago

DoktorMesmer
5400 rpm - I'm debating whether I should shell out a bit more for a 7200 rpm drive - any thoughts?
why not check benchmarks of this against any 7200rpm drive you are considering
#29

£120 and they are grey imports. I should know, I have 2 of them sitting on my desk right now, just delivered.
#30
Pitty Amazon don't offer them in pairs (Amazon are you listening?) - with this amount of Data its always best to double up in a raid format, or use as pairs in a NAS (Network Attached Storage)


Edited By: tightar5e on Jan 21, 2011 13:49
#31
tightar5e
Pitty Amazon don't offer them in pairs


Actually that is a very bad idea, if you get two identical drives from the same batch you are at far higher risk of both drives failing at the same time. You are far better off buying two different drives, ideally from two different manufacturers but at least from different batches if the same make.
#32
Going_Digital
tightar5e
Pitty Amazon don't offer them in pairs


Actually that is a very bad idea, if you get two identical drives from the same batch you are at far higher risk of both drives failing at the same time. You are far better off buying two different drives, ideally from two different manufacturers but at least from different batches if the same make.


It's not advisable to have drives from different manufacturers in any RAID configuration. I would agree with you about same batch, but drive models must be identical.
#33
[/quote]
Actually that is a very bad idea, if you get two identical drives from the same batch you are at far higher risk of both drives failing at the same time. You are far better off buying two different drives, ideally from two different manufacturers but at least from different batches if the same make.[/quote]

Using different drives isn't there a higher chance? with different disk sizes (same marked size), different access speeds/times, memory buffers or even sector sizes (512 v 4K sectors), I'd say you have a greater chance of destroying your raid/losing data. Personally, I'd keep it simple and stick to the same makes/firmware/version when mirroring. I can sort of see your point though, but isn't that whey publish MTTF (Mean time to Failure) Rate. Its the mean time across all drives produced - they don't fail at the same time, even when accessing identical data, in a raid setup.

The simple point is your halving your chances by having two copies, which is the important bit. Regards bad ideas- its a very bad idea to have 1 copy of 2TB of data.








Edited By: tightar5e on Jan 21, 2011 15:44: Edit
#34
Well I guess it depends on the type of RAID you are using as to weather you need the same drives. In our HP RAID 5 arrays then we have always used the HP drives to go with it but tend to order them at different times to try and not get the same batch. But with my Drobo at home I have Samsung, WD & Segate Drives in it because I wouldn't want to fit 2 identical drives that if they both died from a manufacturing defect at the same time would take out the whole thing.

But don't forget RAID isn't a substitute for backups it just reduces the down time by making it possible to hot swap a failed drive.
1 Like #35
the chances of 2 drives from the same batch failing on the same day is tiny.
may as well buy lottery ticket at the same time ...ofc little point of all those millions after that double lightning strike.
#36
brilly
the chances of 2 drives from the same batch failing on the same day is tiny.
may as well buy lottery ticket at the same time ...ofc little point of all those millions after that double lightning strike.


It's called sod's law....oh and it happens!
Unfortunately, I'm still waiting for that lottery ticket....

Edited By: Slateman on Jan 21, 2011 18:19
#37
ahujamit
have just bought 2 of these last week @67, how to update the firmware, i have these attached in the D-Link ShareCenter Pulse 2-bay?


Update for the firmware is here :

http://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/faqView.do?b2b_bbs_msg_id=386
#38
needs firmware update if you get certain model numbers - search other posts on here - i've posted the samsung link before.
#39
weemee002
needs firmware update if you get certain model numbers - search other posts on here - i've posted the samsung link before.
This drive will need the firmware update.
#40
i posted a ready to go ISO a week ago on my old thread... good to see the price has gone even lower... will be buying a few more... for people talking about failure rates etc... these are rated to 300,000 cycles, buying sequential serial numbers doesn't make a difference to buying widely different ones in reality. Mixing brands can be good to vary failure times, but in all honesty, as someone who buys a lot of drives constantly, they fail randomly enough no matter what. Just RAID a few and you'll be fine. double redundancy to be extra safe via RAID6 or raidz2 if you're gonna be cool.

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