Samsung F4 SATA-II 3.5" 2TB 32MB 5400rpm Internal Hard Drive £66.96 (if collecting) @ SaverStore + £5.99 p&p - HotUKDeals
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Samsung F4 SATA-II 3.5" 2TB 32MB 5400rpm Internal Hard Drive

- Spinpoint F4EG
- capacity : 2TB
- interface : Serial ATA 3.0 Gbps
- buffer memory : 32 MB

Can be collected in store, else £5.99 delivery
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#1
+£5.99 delivery
#2
5400rpm? I'd use this purely for backups, as this is sloooow.
1 Like #3
FelixGomez
5400rpm? I'd use this purely for backups, as this is sloooow.


How wrong you are.

This drive performs faster than most 7200rpm drives. Don't post rubbish that will put people off buying a great drive.
#4
amazing price for 2TB
#5
if you live near the collection point this is def the best deal around by miles!! HOT!!
#6
Never heard of them but DealForU.com have a WD 7200RPM 64Mb for £72.13 delivered. But, despite my hating Saverstore, I feel safer buying from there!

Edited By: Sid Harper on Oct 14, 2010 15:50: typo
banned#7
plus delivery makes the price just about right, not a supper fantastic deal. It's not as good as it looks plus delivery

TOTAL = £72.95 is the deal price and not £66.96 as someone would assume
#8
you can collect it... hence 66.96 is an accurate price. Delivery is optional.
#9
saltyworm
if you live near the collection point this is def the best deal around by miles!! HOT!!


Looks like there's only one collection point - Luton.
#10
heat added
#11
A shame that is 5400rpm, but considering the favourable reviews, the close to 7200rpm performance and of course the price it's a good deal.
#12
Sorry, am a harddrive novice. Can someone explain how this at 5400 rpm can be as good as a 7200 rpm drive. Surely if it spins faster, you get data from it faster?
#13
Fantastic price if you can collect them, this drive is super fast !
#14
Depends on what you use it for, the number of platters, the efficiency of the electronics, the size of the cache, and how the cache is used, and so on and so forth.

Never believe raw specs.
#15
mr.potato_head
FelixGomez
5400rpm? I'd use this purely for backups, as this is sloooow.


How wrong you are.

This drive performs faster than most 7200rpm drives. Don't post rubbish that will put people off buying a great drive.


5400rpm is slower than 7200rpm, therefore this drive physically has to be slower. Certainly fast compared to a hard drive that's 3+ years old but will be slower than any modern 7200rpm drive for sure. If you put an Operating System on this you will probably regret it, it's not meant for that. It's meant for storing music, videos etc. and perfect for a home NAS.

Fantastic price!

Sid Harper
Never heard of them but DealForU.com have a WD 7200RPM 64Mb for £72.13 delivered. But, despite my hating Saverstore, I feel safer buying from there!


Used Saverstore a few times nothing bad has happened so can't comment on returns but the items turned up just fine.




Edited By: aron311 on Oct 14, 2010 16:07: Typo
#16
danakajoel
Sorry, am a harddrive novice. Can someone explain how this at 5400 rpm can be as good as a 7200 rpm drive. Surely if it spins faster, you get data from it faster?


They increase the amount of data that will fit in a set space on the hard drive meaning the head does not have to move as far. Also newer chipsets on the drives can help, dual cpus for example.
#17
flamex
plus delivery makes the price just about right, not a supper fantastic deal. It's not as good as it looks plus delivery

TOTAL = £72.95 is the deal price and not £66.96 as someone would assume


That's a massive 3p saving on the ebuyer price
#18
Someones already mentioned you can pick up too. Also, if you order more than 1, it becomes a better deal (£5.99 is max you pay). :-)

Otherwise, you are correct. If you want a single drive delivered, its pretty much the same as Ebuyer (though ebuyer costs me £2.99 to deliver to my area, wont accept SuperSaver.. grrr).

Sin


mif
flamex
plus delivery makes the price just about right, not a supper fantastic deal. It's not as good as it looks plus delivery

TOTAL = £72.95 is the deal price and not £66.96 as someone would assume


That's a massive 3p saving on the ebuyer price
#19
Its 5400 ? Jesus wept, thats slow.NOT free delivery despite being over £50 - so eBuyer's pulling that again ? Voted cold.
#20
PhilK
Its 5400 ? Jesus wept, thats slow.NOT free delivery despite being over £50 - so eBuyer's pulling that again ? Voted cold.


Do you realise this isn't an ebuyer deal?
#21
pineslice
saltyworm
if you live near the collection point this is def the best deal around by miles!! HOT!!


Looks like there's only one collection point - Luton.

home sweet home
4 Likes #22
aron311
mr.potato_head
FelixGomez
5400rpm? I'd use this purely for backups, as this is sloooow.
How wrong you are.This drive performs faster than most 7200rpm drives. Don't post rubbish that will put people off buying a great drive.
5400rpm is slower than 7200rpm, therefore this drive physically has to be slower. Certainly fast compared to a hard drive that's 3+ years old but will be slower than any modern 7200rpm drive for sure. If you put an Operating System on this you will probably regret it, it's not meant for that. It's meant for storing music, videos etc. and perfect for a home NAS.Fantastic price!
Sid Harper
Never heard of them but DealForU.com have a WD 7200RPM 64Mb for £72.13 delivered. But, despite my hating Saverstore, I feel safer buying from there!
Used Saverstore a few times nothing bad has happened so can't comment on returns but the items turned up just fine.

Absolute RUBBISH.

The spin speed isn't relevent at all these days. What is relevent is how many platters the hard drive uses, most 2TB drives use 4-5. I'm not sure but I think this uses 3. This makes the GB per surface area density higher and thus data reads faster, also important is the amount of cache and the chipset used and firmware.

Seriously, I wish people would read some BENCHMARKS before making such crazy uninformed comments, this isn't really directed at you but the other people who just don't have a clue and seem to think they do.
#23
As silly as Quagmire himself!
2 Likes #24
Actually that comment is directed at you after re-reading your post, these drives transfer data at well over 100mb a second - that's considered pretty much cutting edge as far as any SATA hard drive is concerned.
#25
aron311
mr.potato_head
FelixGomez
5400rpm? I'd use this purely for backups, as this is sloooow.


How wrong you are.

This drive performs faster than most 7200rpm drives. Don't post rubbish that will put people off buying a great drive.


5400rpm is slower than 7200rpm, therefore this drive physically has to be slower. Certainly fast compared to a hard drive that's 3+ years old but will be slower than any modern 7200rpm drive for sure. If you put an Operating System on this you will probably regret it, it's not meant for that. It's meant for storing music, videos etc. and perfect for a home NAS.

Fantastic price!




Incorrect, this drive only has 3 playtters and therefore making it just as fast as some of the top 7200 rpm drives.

People should not be put off buying a 7200rpm drive.

I'm perfectly aware of what this drives main use will be, thanks.
2 Likes #26
Benchmark

http://i1034.photobucket.com/albums/a426/drescherjm/SamsungF4.png
#27
I think you will find that speed are relative and depends on usage, what is the difference between 9ms vs 13ms seek time? will you notice it? With 2TB there will be more data per platter and large buffer, so they aren't as slow as you may think. Putting your OS on it will perfectly be usable for a standard desktop, this is not my setup, but just want to dismiss some myths that people think 5k speed is slow. Most laptop HD is running at that speed.



PhilK
Its 5400 ? Jesus wept, thats slow.NOT free delivery despite being over £50 - so eBuyer's pulling that again ? Voted cold.
#28
danakajoel
Sorry, am a harddrive novice. Can someone explain how this at 5400 rpm can be as good as a 7200 rpm drive. Surely if it spins faster, you get data from it faster?
Yes, you're correct - for example if you check out the HD Tune Pro benchmarks Mr P_h has kindly found for this drive against say a WD Caviar Black (i.e. the fast one) then it's transparently obvious that the faster drive is indeed faster. Just as anyone would expect.
However, it's only about 10% faster, which makes this drive at roughly half the price a better buy (since you could get 2 of them for the same money, only use 1TB on each and thus get better seek times - if that's all that's important to you)
While a lot of people get caught up in SATA transfer rates, areal densities and lots of other irrelevant information, when assessing the speed of the same capacity drive the only 2 things that matter are rotation speed and cache size - even then, cache size is a very, very minor contributor.

Edited By: pete_l on Oct 14, 2010 16:45: edit
#29
I agree! ( I read your comment after i posted mine) People should stop making these unfounded comments.
robo989
aron311
mr.potato_head
FelixGomez
5400rpm? I'd use this purely for backups, as this is sloooow.
How wrong you are.This drive performs faster than most 7200rpm drives. Don't post rubbish that will put people off buying a great drive.
5400rpm is slower than 7200rpm, therefore this drive physically has to be slower. Certainly fast compared to a hard drive that's 3+ years old but will be slower than any modern 7200rpm drive for sure. If you put an Operating System on this you will probably regret it, it's not meant for that. It's meant for storing music, videos etc. and perfect for a home NAS.Fantastic price!
Sid Harper
Never heard of them but DealForU.com have a WD 7200RPM 64Mb for £72.13 delivered. But, despite my hating Saverstore, I feel safer buying from there!
Used Saverstore a few times nothing bad has happened so can't comment on returns but the items turned up just fine.


Absolute RUBBISH.

The spin speed isn't relevent at all these days. What is relevent is how many platters the hard drive uses, most 2TB drives use 4-5. I'm not sure but I think this uses 3. This makes the GB per surface area density higher and thus data reads faster, also important is the amount of cache and the chipset used and firmware.

Seriously, I wish people would read some BENCHMARKS before making such crazy uninformed comments, this isn't really directed at you but the other people who just don't have a clue and seem to think they do.
#30
Spud I like! :)
#31
Hi, this should make everything clear I hope

http://realworldtech.com/page.cfm?ArticleID=RWT061801032003
#32
monsteria
I agree! ( I read your comment after i posted mine) People should stop making these unfounded comments.
robo989
aron311
mr.potato_head
FelixGomez
5400rpm? I'd use this purely for backups, as this is sloooow.
How wrong you are.This drive performs faster than most 7200rpm drives. Don't post rubbish that will put people off buying a great drive.
5400rpm is slower than 7200rpm, therefore this drive physically has to be slower. Certainly fast compared to a hard drive that's 3+ years old but will be slower than any modern 7200rpm drive for sure. If you put an Operating System on this you will probably regret it, it's not meant for that. It's meant for storing music, videos etc. and perfect for a home NAS.Fantastic price!
Sid Harper
Never heard of them but DealForU.com have a WD 7200RPM 64Mb for £72.13 delivered. But, despite my hating Saverstore, I feel safer buying from there!
Used Saverstore a few times nothing bad has happened so can't comment on returns but the items turned up just fine.

Absolute RUBBISH.

The spin speed isn't relevent at all these days. What is relevent is how many platters the hard drive uses, most 2TB drives use 4-5. I'm not sure but I think this uses 3. This makes the GB per surface area density higher and thus data reads faster, also important is the amount of cache and the chipset used and firmware.

Seriously, I wish people would read some BENCHMARKS before making such crazy uninformed comments, this isn't really directed at you but the other people who just don't have a clue and seem to think they do.

+1

would also like to add that most laptops have 5400 rpm drives in them, so the person who said you'd regret putting an operating system on it was exaggerating just a bit
1 Like #33
My car when running at 2000RPM in fifth gear goes faster than when running at 5000RPM in second gear ? How can this be ? And yes.. I do know what I am.
#34
robo989
aron311
mr.potato_head
FelixGomez
5400rpm? I'd use this purely for backups, as this is sloooow.
How wrong you are.This drive performs faster than most 7200rpm drives. Don't post rubbish that will put people off buying a great drive.
5400rpm is slower than 7200rpm, therefore this drive physically has to be slower. Certainly fast compared to a hard drive that's 3+ years old but will be slower than any modern 7200rpm drive for sure. If you put an Operating System on this you will probably regret it, it's not meant for that. It's meant for storing music, videos etc. and perfect for a home NAS.Fantastic price!
Sid Harper
Never heard of them but DealForU.com have a WD 7200RPM 64Mb for £72.13 delivered. But, despite my hating Saverstore, I feel safer buying from there!
Used Saverstore a few times nothing bad has happened so can't comment on returns but the items turned up just fine.


Absolute RUBBISH.

The spin speed isn't relevent at all these days. What is relevent is how many platters the hard drive uses, most 2TB drives use 4-5. I'm not sure but I think this uses 3. This makes the GB per surface area density higher and thus data reads faster, also important is the amount of cache and the chipset used and firmware.

Seriously, I wish people would read some BENCHMARKS before making such crazy uninformed comments, this isn't really directed at you but the other people who just don't have a clue and seem to think they do.


Ask the hard drive to load something, it has to wait until the disk has rotated to the right position to read it. It does this operation thousands of times a second under load. What do you think does that faster, a 7200rpm drive or a 5400rpm one? It's that simple. Yes platters play a small part but they are more important in terms of power usage.

Yes this hard drive still has a relatively high data transfer rate, which makes it good for transferring large amounts of data to, but for an operating system which reads and writes thousands of small files, seek times are important. It's what makes a hard drive feel so damn slow and a solid state disk so fast, even if said solid state drive cannot maintain particularly fast read or write speeds, such as an Intel 40GB x25-V. It's seek times are sub millisecond instead of 15-18ms for a 5400rpm drive or about 10-13ms for a 7200rpm drive. Multiply that several thousand times and you can easily see the difference!

This is hence why gamers used to buy 10,000rpm Western Digital Raptors, higher transfer rates and lower access times, the same reason people who build servers choose 10,000rpm or 15,000rpm drives, where the work is particularly dependent on loading many small files per second.

The cache on all drives of this size is usually 64mb, because that's all it needs and the firmware on the drive is not exactly a selling point? Bit of an odd thing to say?! A pretty basic micro-controller is more than enough! Most companies have firmware to a fine art who actually sell any volume, if it were that critical you'd think the user would be able to update it like they can on a solid state drive! Something on which firmware is MUCH more of an issue!
#35
fewer platters = higher density, so the spin speed is just one factor in that argument - so it's simple, the benchmarks tell you the real world performance. Period.

Edited By: Sid Harper on Oct 14, 2010 17:00: hard facts
#36
I bought this drive a couple of weeks ago and ran CrystalDiskMark on it - I achieved in excess of 120MB/s sequential read and write speeds:


Sequential Read : 123.018 MB/s
Sequential Write : 121.645 MB/s
Random Read 512KB : 48.306 MB/s
Random Write 512KB : 97.602 MB/s
Random Read 4KB (QD=1) : 0.613 MB/s [ 149.6 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=1) : 2.941 MB/s [ 717.9 IOPS]
Random Read 4KB (QD=32) : 1.346 MB/s [ 328.5 IOPS]
Random Write 4KB (QD=32) : 2.828 MB/s [ 690.5 IOPS]

Test : 100 MB [H: 0.0% (0.1/1862.9 GB)] (x5)
Date : 2010/10/04 11:14:17
OS : Windows 7 Ultimate Edition [6.1 Build 7600] (x64)
#37
Website states "Ship in 1 week" - so not in stock then?
#38
So what this deal comes down to, is how much money they would have to pay you to visit the **** that is Luton.
#39
mr.potato_head
Benchmark

http://i1034.photobucket.com/albums/a426/drescherjm/SamsungF4.png


http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/9804/hdtunebenchmarksamsungh.png

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/samsung-hd103sj-spinpoint-f3-1tb-ha/775925

So to summarise, the extra space is worth it for a storage drive, but not for an operating system drive, where the access time does matter unless all you do is come on this website and write things when you don't know what your talking about !! A 7200rpm drive isn't exotic, it just makes more sense for an operating system drive than a 5400rpm one.

If you want to push the boat out and get a computer that is EXTREMELY responsive install your operating system on this :)

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/60gb-ssd-ocz-technology-vertex-2e-s/767312

http://images.tweaktown.com/content/3/3/3358_16.png

Edited By: aron311 on Oct 14, 2010 17:36: .
#40
Compare to other 2TB drives pls. That speed'll do me just fine! This isn't about which drive is fastest, it's about value for money for a 2TB drive that will do most people.

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