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Samsung HD204UI Spinpoint F4 2TB 76.99 @Ebuyer

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Samsung HD204UI Spinpoint F4 2TB Hard Drive SATAII 32MB Cache - OEM

While other 2TB drives split their collection of bytes over four 500GB platters, Samsung's Spinpoint EcoGreen HD204UI F4 features three 667GB disks. This means the new platters boast the world's highest areal density at the moment.
The 3.5-inch F4 is intended to replace Samsung's four-platter F3 drive, and has otherwise similar specs. The drive is bolstered by a 32MB buffer, and the platters spin at 5400rpm, rather than the 7200rpm rotational speed of some other 2TB desktop drives

The new three-platter drive also cuts down on power consumption. The F4 eats 23 per cent less electricity in standby mode than its predecessor. The drive will remain quiet while it's ticking away, taking advantage of the company's SilentSeek and NoiseGuard technologies. The new Spinpoint HD204UI F4EG also supports Native Command Queuing
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#1
I just got one delivered from Ebuyer at the old 80.99 price (2 days with free delivery, which was pretty good) and I even guessed that it would come down in price during the 5-day delivery period (it did!).

On palimpsest's read/write benchmark in Linux, I got 144.2 Mbytes/sec max read and 131.6 Mbytes/sec max write, which is pretty fast. For Linux folks, I'd advise starting your first partition on a multiple of 8 sectors because this drive "really" has 4K sectors but tells the world it has 512 byte sectors. Play it safe and start at sector 2048 (that's 512 byte sector size) - there's quite a good IBM article on this that suggests that when you run fdisk, give it these options:

fdisk -H 224 -S 56

Do that whenever you add new partitions and things should align nicely. If you mis-align partitions (e.g. not in a multple of 8 sectors), you can hit write performance badly with these drives. I believe Windows 7 will align correctly automatically - not sure about Vista though - but be warned that XP won't align correctly by default but since I haven't run that in years, I'll leave the readers to look that one up...
#2
Wonder if this will work ok in a PCH A110 - the previous F3 model did, my old 1TB F1 is bursting at the seams now
#3
prices are going lower :)

im going wait till they fall some more before grabbing 2 for my nas server
#4
Very impressive drive at a very competitive price. This should get hot....
banned#5
There's an F4??? damn I just bought two 2tb F3's
#6
wonder what they will call the next one?
4 Likes #7
Once they get to F12 they will run out of keys.
#8
Wonder if this will work in my Sky HD box... (_;)
#9
Nice. A few pounds cheaper again already - this drive is barely a month old.
1 Like #10
dotmac
Wonder if this will work in my Sky HD box... (_;)


I was thinking the same thing but I think copy+ only works upto 999GB
#11
rkl
I just got one delivered from Ebuyer at the old 80.99 price (2 days with free delivery, which was pretty good)

Dunno what it is with eBuyer and me - their deliveries to me stink. they say "within 5 days" - since when does 5 days have 2 Fridays in them ?
This EVERY SINGLE TIME
They have the thing in stock and don't make an effort packing until they have to, and by which time a weekend gets in the way.
No - stopped buying stuff from them for that very reason.
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robpears
dotmac
Wonder if this will work in my Sky HD box... (_;)


I was thinking the same thing but I think copy+ only works upto 999GB


Copy + will work upto 2tb but only the new Sky HD 1tb (Amstrad) boxes will read drives upto 2Tb.

(Check out the forums on the copy+ site... I asked the same question + tried with a 2Tb drive. Standard HD box max is 1Tb)

Edited By: mrpipster on Sep 24, 2010 11:20: .
#13
Remember with ebuyer they'll be non-uk drives that only come with a 1 year warranty with Ebuyer. Spend a bit more and get a 3 year warranty from Scan.
#14
Seriously considering a Synology DS410J NAS. Would these partner up well with it. Aiming for a RAID5 setup.
#15
£2 less than the 2tb western digital deal from them yesterday. BUT only 32 meg cache vs 64 meg plus its samsung I dont buy there drives for a long time due to numerous failures.

I will stick with the WD drives.....
#16
ashleypride
Remember with ebuyer they'll be non-uk drives that only come with a 1 year warranty with Ebuyer. Spend a bit more and get a 3 year warranty from Scan.


Not true. I have got F1 and F3 (1TB) from eBuyer (I bought F1 two years ago and F3 just recently) and both have full 3-year warranty on Samsung website.
#17
aszu

Not true. I have got F1 and F3 (1TB) from eBuyer (I bought F1 two years ago and F3 just recently) and both have full 3-year warranty on Samsung website.


Interesting, as I've got a F1 from around two years ago aswell, and some F3 from around 6 months ago. All of them are Samsung code 103 / 106. Ebuyers web page doesn't mention anything about the warranty, and they don't every seem to answer that question in the forum. Caveat emptor.
#18
alera
£2 less than the 2tb western digital deal from them yesterday. BUT only 32 meg cache vs 64 meg plus its samsung I dont buy there drives for a long time due to numerous failures.

I will stick with the WD drives.....


ALL drives have failures regardless of brand, I've had WD, Maxtor, Seagate, IBM all fail on me, mostly 2.5 drives but none the less.

Doesn't matter what drives fail on me because I backup data as should everyone else who stores stuff on drives of this size.
#19
This is of course true, but no way are samsung drives more reliable in my experience. I had 2 brand new samsung 500gb drives fail within 12 months a couple of years ago and would never buy another one again.

HDD cost nothing at the end of the day its the data that is valuable. In 20 years using modern pc I have never had a Western Digital drive fail (touch wood) Their reliability and longevity are well documented which is why they tend to cost a bit more, samsung are very much at the budget end of the spectrum.

The samsung drive has half the cache memory and inferior build quality and reliability imo,

Same speed less platters fare enough for data and gamming it will be a bit faster I am using these for media and backup, really does make no difference at all for these purposes. The 1tb samsung drives i have used recently run very very hot, no way I would buy another samsung drive anyway certain not for a £2 a drive difference !


Edited By: alera on Sep 24, 2010 11:52: spelling
#20
a good price, but if you need 2 then DABS.com has them for 80.99 and there is a 10pounds off voucher I got in an email when you spend £150 and free delivery as well. That brings the price to £75.99 for one F4 HDD.
#21
I have 4 Samsung drives and have never had a failure. Two if my friends have Samsung drives and have never had failures (and we are spanning 2 years here so I am not talking about a short period of time) so hard drive failures are just one of those things. It may happen to you but not to someone else, regardless of brand. I have had plenty of WD fail on me, but others swear by them. Google did a survey on failures and found that ALL manufactures fail the same amount within 5% of each other.
#22
Still no reviews up for this drive. Any one know of any?
#23
Going_Digital
Once they get to F12 they will run out of keys.


lol
#24
Nice one
#25
B0GiE
Still no reviews up for this drive. Any one know of any?


I've got one of these and they fly, ignore the fact that they are 5400rpm, these 2tb F4's are matching the 1TB F3 7200RPM drives for speed.

Good info here on em:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18182500

Benchmarks and what not.

They destroy the WD Greens, and Sammy F2 EG drives.
#26
PhilK
rkl
I just got one delivered from Ebuyer at the old 80.99 price (2 days with free delivery, which was pretty good)

Dunno what it is with eBuyer and me - their deliveries to me stink. they say "within 5 days" - since when does 5 days have 2 Fridays in them ?

If you order with Supersaver on a Friday, then 5 days is next Friday. If you order on a Monday, then 5 days is next Monday. That's the maths. If it comes earlier it's a bonus. My orders never come earlier either, but to stop buying from them because of something that they make quite clear is simply cutting off your nose to spite your face. You are the loser because their prices are usually the cheapest with free delivery.
#27
I've had really good luck with Samsung drives so i stick with them

I guess somewhere theres somebody whos never had a failed drive from some brand
#28
I have 3 500Gb Samsungs and 5 F1 1Tb's.
Not one failure yet :)
#29
ashleypride
Remember with ebuyer they'll be non-uk drives that only come with a 1 year warranty with Ebuyer. Spend a bit more and get a 3 year warranty from Scan.


My understanding is that Scan also deal in grey imports.

Personally, I would stay away from Ebuyer and Scan. These are the 2 companies dealing in grey imported Samsung drives. I would much rather pay an extra £10 and buy from a retailer, such as OCUK, who actively tell customers to RMA the product direct to manufacturer.

IME, Samsung have the best RMA service of all manufacturers, so it is folly to buy a drive which prohibits the returning broken drives direct to Samsung.

If I had to buy a grey import Samsung drive, I would want at least 50% discount, for the lack of direct Samsung support.
#30
ubern00b
I have 4 Samsung drives and have never had a failure. Two if my friends have Samsung drives and have never had failures (and we are spanning 2 years here so I am not talking about a short period of time) so hard drive failures are just one of those things. It may happen to you but not to someone else, regardless of brand. I have had plenty of WD fail on me, but others swear by them. Google did a survey on failures and found that ALL manufactures fail the same amount within 5% of each other.


In my own experience, I have found Seagate to be by far the most reliable. I have also found WD to be the least reliable. I only own 1 Samsung drive (so I can't really comment) and that last 6 months before I had to swap it out.

I currently have a Seagate drive purchased in 2004 (6 years old) and it is still spinning away, 24/7 without issue.

I have RMA'd plenty of WD drives. The Samsung RMA service is unbelievably fast. I shipped the broken drive to them on Monday and they sent me the replacement on Wednesday. This is by far the fastest RMA I have experienced.
#31
Does anyone know if these are supported in the Netgear ReadyNAS?
#32
ashleypride
Remember with ebuyer they'll be non-uk drives that only come with a 1 year warranty with Ebuyer. Spend a bit more and get a 3 year warranty from Scan.

I'm not convinced it's worth paying more to get a 3 year warranty on a hard disk drive.

Samsung state their MTBF (mean time between failure) is 152 years for hard disk drives, therefore you could reasonably expect these hard disks to last several years at the very least. That means you'd be covered under the Sale of Goods Act for up to 6 years, regardless of the length of the warranty. In a nutshell, if one of these dies within 6 years of normal use, you should be able to get it replaced or repaired at no cost, even if you only had a 1 year warranty.

Of course, the retailer will probably try and fob you off and pretend there's no such provision in the Sale of Goods Act, or insist that because the warranty has run out, so have your statutory rights (which is nonsense). So, the warranty option is better for those who don't like any hassle, and the other option is for people who love to moan :)
#33
rkl
For Linux folks, I'd advise starting your first partition on a multiple of 8 sectors because this drive "really" has 4K sectors but tells the world it has 512 byte sectors.

I wish they would just provide a real 4K interface - all decent OSes are ready for it, even if booting from it may still be a bit tricky. But you wouldn't run this drive with Windows 98 anyway, would you?
#34
Will these work in a WHS mediaserver?
#35
paul_merton

I'm not convinced it's worth paying more to get a 3 year warranty on a hard disk drive.

Samsung state their MTBF (mean time between failure) is 152 years for hard disk drives,


I've owned plenty of hard disks. My longest serving hard disk is a Seagate which has been running for 6 years. Every other disk which I own has been RMA'd at some point, before its 3 year warranty was up. As for the 152 year life expectancy...if you believe that, either you haven't owned a hard disk before or you took some form of intoxicating substance before you wrote your post.

paul_merton

therefore you could reasonably expect these hard disks to last several years at the very least. That means you'd be covered under the Sale of Goods Act for up to 6 years, regardless of the length of the warranty. In a nutshell, if one of these dies within 6 years of normal use, you should be able to get it replaced or repaired at no cost, even if you only had a 1 year warranty.


Unless you are prepared to go through a lengthy legal battle, it is most unlikely that you will be able to extend the actual 1 year warranty to beyond 1 year. Seriously, dude, what planet are you on...first the "152 year life span", now the "1 year warranty actually means 6 years".

If you managed to get a 6 year warranty on any drive which has a 1 year warranty, you might be making history and changing the rules with regards to hard disk warranties. On a hard disk with mechanical components inside, 1 year means 1 year.

paul_merton

Of course, the retailer will probably try and fob you off and pretend there's no such provision in the Sale of Goods Act, or insist that because the warranty has run out, so have your statutory rights (which is nonsense). So, the warranty option is better for those who don't like any hassle, and the other option is for people who love to moan :)


You can moan all you want. If I was the retailer and you asked for a replacement for a 6 year old hard disk with a 1 year warranty, I wouldn't even bother replying to your request. If you took me to court...well, I would love for you to take me to court, just so that I could hire an expensive solicitor and make you pay the costs after the case is over.
#36
sunama
[quote=ubern00b] In my own experience, I have found Seagate to be by far the most reliable. I have also found WD to be the least reliable. I only own 1 Samsung drive (so I can't really comment) and that last 6 months before I had to swap it out.

I currently have a Seagate drive purchased in 2004 (6 years old) and it is still spinning away, 24/7 without issue.

I have RMA'd plenty of WD drives. The Samsung RMA service is unbelievably fast. I shipped the broken drive to them on Monday and they sent me the replacement on Wednesday. This is by far the fastest RMA I have experienced.
I bought a drive from Scan only recently (samsung 1.5 tb) and having checked the serial on the Samsung site it states it has a 3 year warranty.

The worst experience i had was with ebuyer + WD combo. Usually never had problems with ebuyer apart from that. I bought a brand new WD from them and on the first format i realised it was faulty as it wouldn't format fully and would just freeze in the last 3%. People cleverer than me advised me to return it, so i contacted ebuyer who would not accept a return and instead told me to contact WD. I had to send WD the faulty drive with a few days of receiving it and i had to pay postage out of my own pocket which wasn't cheap as i had to send it special delivery due. They sent a new drive, but it cost me a lot of head ache and cost.

I was expecting to SOMEONE to pay postage as i received a faulty drive and yet ebuyer passed the problem onto WD who got me to pay the postage to send the drive to them :(

To top it off, i tried to post a negative review on ebuyer and they would not put the comment though. Just removed it and kept the positive comment. I tried a few times and failed. They really disappointed me. That was the last WD i bought and the last drive i bought from ebuyer. I love my Seagates, never gave me any problems. Trying out Samsung for the first time, hopefully no problems :)
#37
paul_merton

I'm not convinced it's worth paying more to get a 3 year warranty on a hard disk drive.

Samsung state their MTBF (mean time between failure) is 152 years for hard disk drives, therefore you could reasonably expect these hard disks to last several years at the very least.


All you can expect is that the HD will fail. I have 5 samsungs, 1 failed after a week, 1 failed after two years, the others are still going. MTBF means nothing. Getting a Samsung direct warranty is well worth a couple of extra quid.

paul_merton

In a nutshell, if one of these dies within 6 years of normal use, you should be able to get it replaced or repaired at no cost, even if you only had a 1 year warranty.


In a nutshell, the retailer will tell you to ram it, then you might be able to convince a court that the drive had an inherent fault, should expect to last longer than it did, and the court may issue a partial refund.

Edited By: ashleypride on Sep 25, 2010 13:02: typo
#38
sunama

My understanding is that Scan also deal in grey imports.


That's correct, but at least they offer 36 months RTB warranty.

sunama

Personally, I would stay away from Ebuyer and Scan. These are the 2 companies dealing in grey imported Samsung drives. I would much rather pay an extra £10 and buy from a retailer, such as OCUK, who actively tell customers to RMA the product direct to manufacturer.


While they used to be great, I really dislike OCUK.

sunama

IME, Samsung have the best RMA service of all manufacturers, so it is folly to buy a drive which prohibits the returning broken drives direct to Samsung.


Agreed.
#39
sunama
I've owned plenty of hard disks. My longest serving hard disk is a Seagate which has been running for 6 years. Every other disk which I own has been RMA'd at some point, before its 3 year warranty was up. As for the 152 year life expectancy...if you believe that, either you haven't owned a hard disk before or you took some form of intoxicating substance before you wrote your post.


Wow, you're rude. I have also owned lots of hard disks. So what? That MTBF is what the *manufacturer* quotes for normal daily use. It doesn't really matter whether I believe it or not, but it sure gives you are lot of ammo under the Sale of Goods Act if breaks within a small fraction of that time.

sunama

Unless you are prepared to go through a lengthy legal battle, it is most unlikely that you will be able to extend the actual 1 year warranty to beyond 1 year. Seriously, dude, what planet are you on...first the "152 year life span", now the "1 year warranty actually means 6 years".

Correct, I won't be able to extend the 1 year warranty beyond 1 year. I'm talking about statutory rights, not rights under a warranty. You're obviously not familiar with the Sale of Goods Act, which states that goods must last for a reasonable amount of time, and that it covers (in England) up to 6 years. As the manufacturer's MTBF is far greater than 6 years, I doubt you would have any problems getting it fixed for free any time within those 6 years, regardless of whether the warranty had expired. The same applies to anything else where it is generally agreed that an item should last longer that 6 years, such as televisions and fridges - yet you may only get a 1 year warranty with them.

sunama

If you managed to get a 6 year warranty on any drive which has a 1 year warranty, you might be making history and changing the rules with regards to hard disk warranties. On a hard disk with mechanical components inside, 1 year means 1 year.


You have misunderstood.

sunama

You can moan all you want. If I was the retailer and you asked for a replacement for a 6 year old hard disk with a 1 year warranty, I wouldn't even bother replying to your request. If you took me to court...well, I would love for you to take me to court, just so that I could hire an expensive solicitor and make you pay the costs after the case is over.

Except I'd win, so you would have been foolish to let it go to court in the first place.

Look at it another way: If you bought a hard disk which had NO warranty whatsoever, and it broke 5 minutes after you plugged it in, do you think you wouldn't be allowed to get a refund on it because it has no warranty?
#40
paul_merton

Except I'd win, so you would have been foolish to let it go to court in the first place.

Look at it another way: If you bought a hard disk which had NO warranty whatsoever, and it broke 5 minutes after you plugged it in, do you think you wouldn't be allowed to get a refund on it because it has no warranty?


Small claims in most cases won't allow solictor costs so it's a moot point. Just because Soga rights last for 6 years doesn't mean you'll win. You need to prove there was a inherent fault (ie prove that you didn't cause the issue - you may need 3rd party evidence to prove this), prove that it's reasonble that it should last longer than it has, and even if you win your not entitled to a full refund and you have had use of the item. For a HD it's far too much hassle.

(As costs aren't usually awarded however, it does mean the retailer will usually cave in before court - it's not in their interest to waste any time in court.)

Edited By: ashleypride on Sep 25, 2010 15:49: typo

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