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Been Looking for one of these for some time seems a great price.

Product Features

* Supports MP3 WMA secure WMA Audible Ogg Vorbis FLAC plus audio books and podcasts
* Expandable microSD and microSDHC memory card slot grows with your music library and easily loads slotRadio or slotMusic cards
* Digital FM tuner with 40 presets for listening to sports your favorite music station or tuning in at the gym
* Long-life rechargeable battery with up to 15 hours of continuous playback
* Built-in microphone to record your thoughts on the go

* Expandable microSD or microSDHC memory card slot
* Ready for slotRadio and slotMusic cards
* Built-in clip for easy carrying
* Digital FM tuner
* Built in voice recorder

Technical Details

Great audio quality in MP3, WMA, secure WMA, Ogg Vorbis, and FLAC formats, plus audio books
Rechargeable battery lasts up to 15 hours
Hi-speed USB 2.0 port for fast and easy transfer of files
Solid State Memory For Skip Free Playback
Available in 2GB, 4GB, and 8GB* capacities
Compatibility: Windows applications, Does not work with AppleMac applications.
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#1
Looks good - thank you.
1 Like #2
Same at Currys/Dixons/PCWorld. Also for the more patient, the 8Gb version is £24.95 delivered from those sites from time to time (do search on Sansa). Was in stock this morning (before 9am) and managed to snag one for self last week at that price. The Aldi price is good too though. Great choice for audio books.
Few threads on here about routine to set up when arrives eg. not selecting Europe as location so EEC volume limitation doesn't come into force; setting USB mode to MSC might be necessary for your PC to see it; also info about updating firmware or even installing the alternative Rockbox firmware if you're more ambitious.

Edit. Oops. Just realised Aldi offer is not for Sansa Clip+ That looks well specified but not qualified to judge. I went for the Sansa 'cos I wanted the ablility to play flac files.

Edited By: chrisjackson on Aug 16, 2010 12:40: missed hidden link in post was responding to.
#3
:|

flac files? ahem?
#4
ok have googled and now know what a flac file is. How common are they though?
#5
plaquey
ok have googled and now know what a flac file is. How common are they though?


If by 'common' you mean how available for download from Amazon and ITunes and the like, well they're not. They are lossless formats and much larger in size than regular lossy formats like MP3 and AAC, so would take a lot of downloading if available. Many music rippers (such as my favourite, Mediamonkey) can rip in FLAC from your own CDs, which IMO is the only way to go for computer based music \ Hifi system. I bought a Clip+ specifically for its sound quality and ability to play FLAC.
#6
plaquey
ok have googled and now know what a flac file is. How common are they though?

Same as Pokey (except use EAC for ripping; not sure though I'd want to go through rigmarole of setting it up as did before...)
The Aldi player does pictures and movies that the Sansa doesn't. Its possible disadvantages are that it's presumably bigger and heavier and a bit of an unknown as regards quality control. But if you have an Aldi locally maybe returning wouldn't be such an issue if it disappointed.
I was surprised a few weeks ago to see that a Samsung 16GB player was going on offer for about £40 from several places. Search for "Samsung MP3-Player R0 16GB" at Amazon for player which is £124 now but one of customers' feedback indicates was under £50 (from HughesDirect I recall).
Like I say no expert but wonder how common these deals are and whether maybe for your budget you could pick up a nice marque player.
#7
Cheers Pokey for the Mediamonkey tip will give it a go. Out of interest how much larger are FLAC files against MP3?
#8
Bought the 8gb model in December. Music quality is very good with a decent pair of earphones. Big bonus for me is that the software makes special provision for podcasts and audiobooks, keeping them separate from your music.. For example, it will resume an audiobook or a podcast where you left off. I also use it late evenings for listening to the daily archers podcast (sad i know) - it even has a sleep timer for if you happen to doze off. Factor in a microsd slot for expandibility (8Gb microsd costs approx a tenner) and that the player incorporates the microsd content into the listings and you have a great little package. Highly recommended.
#9
what's the best price on a 4gb or 8gb?
i can see £37 at Amazon but i'm pretty sure that's just gone up from £32..

if you don't know what FLAC is you don't need it. i know what it is and can't be bothered with it.

picture is of course wrong.

Edited By: Smiff on Aug 16, 2010 18:21: blah
1 Like #10
Rockbox this baby to unlock more features and that amazing EQ features!

Flac is overkill imo for portable players, but very useful for archiving your CD's, with my ears which have been battered with loud volume music in the past I can hardly tell the difference between Flac & 320kbps on a portable player.

Edited By: exStudent on Aug 16, 2010 18:31: Flac
#11
Brilliant players.
NB: Pic is of older model. The Clip+ has a micro SD card slot.
Plays FLACs!
Proven superior sound quality to iPods (excepting the first generations).
Buy this and a £20 16GB micro SD card and you're laughing.

Well worth twenty quid but even better was the deal a while back in Dixons - £29.97 for the 8GB model. I was lucky to get one. ;-) /smug


Edited By: piginabox on Aug 16, 2010 18:52: a
1 Like #12
Better than ipod,s by a mile ...Hot!
#13
guest5234
Better than ipod,s by a mile ...Hot!

Rep added!
#14
Link

8GB £9.99 micro SD card

Edited By: piginabox on Aug 16, 2010 19:47: a
#15
Best to only have a 2gb model IMHO, the screen is small, scrolling through large playlists would be annoying. Best to keep very little on the player itself and a pocketful of memory cards with a different genre on each.
#16
I bought this a few months back from Curry's. I later bought a micro SD card.

This is a very good value item ,works great.
#17
Rubisco
Best to only have a 2gb model IMHO, the screen is small, scrolling through large playlists would be annoying. Best to keep very little on the player itself and a pocketful of memory cards with a different genre on each.


Not a problem if you're playing FLACs with it.
2 Likes #18
Get one of these and an 8GB microSD for £10 or, better yet, a 16GB one for £20 and you have a decent-sized player for not much money.

For a long-winded explanation of the advantages of FLAC, read on...

FLAC is the best format if you are ripping your CDs to your PC and don't want to ever have to repeat that time-consuming process. This is because FLAC is lossless, meaning it makes an exact copy of the music. Lossy codecs (e.g. mp3 or Apple m4a or Windows wma) actually lose some of the information contained in the music, but they try to lose stuff that you can't hear. This is probably acceptable if you only intend to use mp3s forever (or only m4a, or only wma). But if you buy a new player in the future that doesn't support mp3, then you try and convert all your mp3s to the new format, you end up with really crap quality music. Converting from one lossy format to another (known as transcoding) results in awful quality.

However, if you have a perfect FLAC copy, you can convert it to any format you like and because FLAC is lossless, it will sound just as good as if you had ripped the CD to that format in the first place. With a few clicks you can convert your entire library of FLAC music (100s or 1000s of CDs) to whatever format you want (your PC will chug away for a good few hours though, but you can do other stuff while it works). You keep the FLAC files and have a set of corresponding files in the new format.

Lots of people first experience this problem if they have been using an iPod with iTunes which rips to m4a by default. Then if they buy a new non-iPod mp3 player, it can't play their music. They can convert it (crap quality) or re-rip everything to mp3 (very time consuming). So if you want to only have to rip once, rip to FLAC (or another lossless codec, but FLAC is the best).

Another important factor in avoiding ever having to rip your CD collection again, is to make a backup. At the very least this means keeping a copy on at least two separate hard drives. That way, if one hard drive breaks you don't have to go and rip 100s of CDs again.

Now, as for actually putting FLAC on a portable player. If you encode your mp3s with the V0 quality setting using the LAME encoder, then 95%+ of people can't actually tell the difference between the mp3 and the original CD (or a FLAC copy) even with amazing headphones. Bearing in mind FLAC is about 4-5 times the size as V0 mp3, FLAC is a waste of space on a portable player for most people. It is handy though if you haven't already converted something just to be able to plonk it on your Clip+ and go.

In terms of ripping software, I recommend Exact Audio Copy. It's quite tricky to set up though.
In terms of conversion and tagging and stuff like that, I recommend foobar 2000.
You also need to install FLAC and LAME.
All of these programs are free.

Anyway I hope that wasn't too boring.
#19
I'm not going to use FLAC, too big - but isn't OGG Vorbis better quality than MP3 for the same filesize?

(also - tempted to put Rockbox on this - any feedback on it?)

Edited By: Ashe on Aug 16, 2010 20:32: correction
#20
Got one of these off ebay. They have them for £14.99 brand new. Not plugging Ebay sellers but this is an awesome mp3 player and radio. Wherever you buy it from you will be happy with it.
#21
piratetaff
Got one of these off ebay. They have them for £14.99 brand new. Not plugging Ebay sellers but this is an awesome mp3 player and radio. Wherever you buy it from you will be happy with it.
Not the Clip+ though, just the original Clip.. at least from what I can see. The added MicroSD slot on the Clip+ would be very useful.
#22
So anyone know the maximum size sd card these take?

Only asking because I read 16gb somewhere and 32gb somewhere else...

I've ordered anyhow - Thanks OP!
#23
Ashe
I'm not going to use FLAC, too big - but isn't OGG Vorbis better quality than MP3 for the same filesize?
Yes I believe OGG is better, but it's not very widely supported meaning if you used a different portable player, it probably wouldn't play your files. So rip to FLAC then convert to OGG (leaving the original FLACs intact). Hard drives are cheap, much cheaper than most peoples' time.
#24
alasrati
Get one of these and an 8GB microSD for £10 or, better yet, a 16GB one for £20 and you have a decent-sized player for not much money.

For a long-winded explanation of the advantages of FLAC, read on...

FLAC is the best format if you are ripping your CDs to your PC and don't want to ever have to repeat that time-consuming process. This is because FLAC is lossless, meaning it makes an exact copy of the music. Lossy codecs (e.g. mp3 or Apple m4a or Windows wma) actually lose some of the information contained in the music, but they try to lose stuff that you can't hear. This is probably acceptable if you only intend to use mp3s forever (or only m4a, or only wma). But if you buy a new player in the future that doesn't support mp3, then you try and convert all your mp3s to the new format, you end up with really crap quality music. Converting from one lossy format to another (known as transcoding) results in awful quality.

However, if you have a perfect FLAC copy, you can convert it to any format you like and because FLAC is lossless, it will sound just as good as if you had ripped the CD to that format in the first place. With a few clicks you can convert your entire library of FLAC music (100s or 1000s of CDs) to whatever format you want (your PC will chug away for a good few hours though, but you can do other stuff while it works). You keep the FLAC files and have a set of corresponding files in the new format.

Lots of people first experience this problem if they have been using an iPod with iTunes which rips to m4a by default. Then if they buy a new non-iPod mp3 player, it can't play their music. They can convert it (crap quality) or re-rip everything to mp3 (very time consuming). So if you want to only have to rip once, rip to FLAC (or another lossless codec, but FLAC is the best).

Another important factor in avoiding ever having to rip your CD collection again, is to make a backup. At the very least this means keeping a copy on at least two separate hard drives. That way, if one hard drive breaks you don't have to go and rip 100s of CDs again.

Now, as for actually putting FLAC on a portable player. If you encode your mp3s with the V0 quality setting using the LAME encoder, then 95%+ of people can't actually tell the difference between the mp3 and the original CD (or a FLAC copy) even with amazing headphones. Bearing in mind FLAC is about 4-5 times the size as V0 mp3, FLAC is a waste of space on a portable player for most people. It is handy though if you haven't already converted something just to be able to plonk it on your Clip+ and go.

In terms of ripping software, I recommend Exact Audio Copy. It's quite tricky to set up though.
In terms of conversion and tagging and stuff like that, I recommend foobar 2000.
You also need to install FLAC and LAME.
All of these programs are free.

Anyway I hope that wasn't too boring.


I couldn't have summed it up better.
#25
Expired - now £30.47 :-(
#26
sodafarl
Expired - now £30.47 :-(
It's not expired, just not in stock (check the buying choices at the right).
#27
Cheers, ordered :)
#28
1-4 weeks if you want it for £20. It seems to pop up on Currys at £20 too quite often so you could order from Amazon then cancel if you find it elsewhere for £20 before Amazon despatch.
#29
Great deal, and I'd echo exStudent - Rockbox makes a huge difference to these players.
#30
alasrati
1-4 weeks if you want it for £20. It seems to pop up on Currys at £20 too quite often so you could order from Amazon then cancel if you find it elsewhere for £20 before Amazon despatch.

See my post #3. The 8GB version under £25 in stock at the moment.
#31
Yes just ordered the 8gb myself for £24.99 currently in stock on the DSGi websites.
#32
Have to agree this player is awesome - never use an Ipod now. You'll be astonished by the quality of sound this produces - winner of the 2009 anything but Ipod awards -
Your text here

If you Rockbox it - it improves it even further - better sound, better battery life (23-24hours), you can increase its volume - recommended.
#33
I've never had an MP3 player before and found this Sans Clip + to be perfect for my needs.

Nice and small with lots of features.

Edited By: halfpenny on Aug 17, 2010 11:46: extra info
1 Like #34
"you can increase its volume - recommended"

Don't pick Europe when setting it up as it'll restrict your maximum volume!
You can reset it and choose USA but back-up your tunes first.
#35
alasrati
Get one of these and an 8GB microSD for £10 or, better yet, a 16GB one for £20 and you have a decent-sized player for not much money.

For a long-winded explanation of the advantages of FLAC, read on...

FLAC is the best format if you are ripping your CDs to your PC and don't want to ever have to repeat that time-consuming process. This is because FLAC is lossless, meaning it makes an exact copy of the music. Lossy codecs (e.g. mp3 or Apple m4a or Windows wma) actually lose some of the information contained in the music, but they try to lose stuff that you can't hear. This is probably acceptable if you only intend to use mp3s forever (or only m4a, or only wma). But if you buy a new player in the future that doesn't support mp3, then you try and convert all your mp3s to the new format, you end up with really crap quality music. Converting from one lossy format to another (known as transcoding) results in awful quality.

However, if you have a perfect FLAC copy, you can convert it to any format you like and because FLAC is lossless, it will sound just as good as if you had ripped the CD to that format in the first place. With a few clicks you can convert your entire library of FLAC music (100s or 1000s of CDs) to whatever format you want (your PC will chug away for a good few hours though, but you can do other stuff while it works). You keep the FLAC files and have a set of corresponding files in the new format.

Lots of people first experience this problem if they have been using an iPod with iTunes which rips to m4a by default. Then if they buy a new non-iPod mp3 player, it can't play their music. They can convert it (crap quality) or re-rip everything to mp3 (very time consuming). So if you want to only have to rip once, rip to FLAC (or another lossless codec, but FLAC is the best).

Another important factor in avoiding ever having to rip your CD collection again, is to make a backup. At the very least this means keeping a copy on at least two separate hard drives. That way, if one hard drive breaks you don't have to go and rip 100s of CDs again.

Now, as for actually putting FLAC on a portable player. If you encode your mp3s with the V0 quality setting using the LAME encoder, then 95%+ of people can't actually tell the difference between the mp3 and the original CD (or a FLAC copy) even with amazing headphones. Bearing in mind FLAC is about 4-5 times the size as V0 mp3, FLAC is a waste of space on a portable player for most people. It is handy though if you haven't already converted something just to be able to plonk it on your Clip+ and go.

In terms of ripping software, I recommend Exact Audio Copy. It's quite tricky to set up though.
In terms of conversion and tagging and stuff like that, I recommend foobar 2000.
You also need to install FLAC and LAME.
All of these programs are free.

Anyway I hope that wasn't too boring.


Informative post, thanks

Have you tried foobar for ripping as well? Seems to work well for me
#36
piginabox
"you can increase its volume - recommended"

Don't pick Europe when setting it up as it'll restrict your maximum volume!
You can reset it and choose USA but back-up your tunes first.


I'm not talking about the settings in Sansa but you can make this seriously loud by tweaking Rockbox
#37
exStudent
Yes just ordered the 8gb myself for £24.99 currently in stock on the DSGi websites.


Out of stock again now.

Must remember to check in morning again!
#38
david1274
Have you tried foobar for ripping as well? Seems to work well for me
Foobar is good but EAC gives you a perfect replica of your CD (assuming you set it up properly and always rip properly). It probably doesn't matter too much. It's certainly not something you would hear the difference in FLAC files with, but it does mean you can burn a perfect copy, for example with the correct length of silence between the tracks (a subtle but crucial factor e.g. on electronic music CDs there might be no gap whereas some classical CDs have quite long gaps to give you a moment to contemplate the music). Also EAC deals with read errors better than all other rippers.

From the EAC website, here is some of the extra stuff that EAC deals with in addition to the music to make a perfect copy: "all gaps, indicies, track attributes, UPC and ISRC and also CD-Text for an exact copy".

chrisjackson
See my post #3. The 8GB version under £25 in stock at the moment.
That is an even better deal then. I would wait for that if I didn't already have two 2GB Clip+s. :)
#39
charliebrown
piginabox
"you can increase its volume - recommended"

Don't pick Europe when setting it up as it'll restrict your maximum volume!
You can reset it and choose USA but back-up your tunes first.


I'm not talking about the settings in Sansa but you can make this seriously loud by tweaking Rockbox


I know, it was a POI for others buying the Clip+

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