Sanyo Eneloop AA 4 Pack Rechargeable/Disposable Batteries 2000mAh Reduced to £6.99 Delivered @ Amazon - HotUKDeals
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Manufacturer's Description:
eneloop is a combination of a rechargeable and a disposable battery the next evolutionary step for batteries into the 21st century. SANYO can ship the batteries to Amazon in an already charged state, without losing its power, because of it very low self-discharge. This means that you are purchasing an already charged battery.
eneloop is as user-friendly as a disposable battery. Once charged, it keeps its charge for up to 6 to 12 months - (90 per cent of the charge after 6 months, 85 per cent after 12 months)
In contrast to a disposable battery, eneloop can be charged up to 1000 times, thus eliminating the waste of 999 disposable batteries.

Using eneloop rechargeable batteries really does pay off. Considering the cost of the eneloop battery, compared to a disposable battery, plus cost for the charger and the energy consumed by the charger, the investment for one eneloop returns easily after a few charging cycles. Now there's an end to this spending.

Product Description
2000 mAh - High capacity eneloop NiMH AA rechargeable batteries from Sanyo. (Similar to Ansmann maxE and Uniross Hybrio) Note: These Sanyo eneloop Batteries should not be charged at higher than 2000mA (Approximately 1.1 Hours) as this will shorten their life and reduce the achieveable capacity.
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#1
so - bit like hybrio but twice the price?
#2
localshop
so - bit like hybrio but twice the price?


You got it in one.
#3
localshop
so - bit like hybrio but twice the price?


you mean the hybrios that were 4.25 more expensive than these when in stock yesterday on amazon and were over 7 quid for past few months they were in?
if you have some cheap links to hybrios post them as people will be interested in them.
good price, 7dayshop also good if wanting multiple packs as price scales.
#4
Excellent price - have some heat.
#5
Can you run these through a rapid quick charger (15 minute).
#6
jezzery
Can you run these through a rapid quick charger (15 minute).


did you read the first post?
#7
brilly
did you read the first post?


Yes I did, it talks about saving money on charging - does this mean my 15 minute charger will stop charging once it detects its charged - i have never really found an interest in looking into how rechargeable batteries work - i thought maybe they had a standard time once they started charging and didn't really think that the battery was what shut down the charger - if you get what I mean.
#8
this is part of the first post
"Product Description
2000 mAh - High capacity eneloop NiMH AA rechargeable batteries from Sanyo. (Similar to Ansmann maxE and Uniross Hybrio) Note: These Sanyo eneloop Batteries should not be charged at higher than 2000mA (Approximately 1.1 Hours) as this will shorten their life and reduce the achieveable capacity."
#11
#12
brilly
this is part of the first post
"Product Description
2000 mAh - High capacity eneloop NiMH AA rechargeable batteries from Sanyo. (Similar to Ansmann maxE and Uniross Hybrio) Note: These Sanyo eneloop Batteries should not be charged at higher than 2000mA (Approximately 1.1 Hours) as this will shorten their life and reduce the achieveable capacity."


That's a no than is it. A simple yes or no would have been a more useful response.
#13

low capacity - equivalent hybrio to these are 8.99 on play ...seen the 1600 cheaper than that too iirc
(edit : mymemory 8 for 6.99)
#14
bought these a few days back at this price using the amazon free 1 month prime trial ( free 1 day delivery) :thumbsup:
#15
http://www.7dayshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=777_3&products_id=102891
basically the same type but cheaper and higher rating (just).
#16
zurich
http://www.7dayshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=777_3&products_id=102891
basically the same type but cheaper and higher rating (just).


Not Eneloop. Big difference.
#17
Vapextech have "generic Eneloop equivalents" for £5.40 for 4 delivered.

Check the fourth item down - batteries are green in colour

These are also long life rechargeables. Capacity Nominal 2100mAh (about the same as a good non-rechargeable)

6 months - About 80% of charge is held
12 months - About 70% of charge is held (normal nimh would be empty)
#18
credington
Not Eneloop. Big difference.


have to disagree. they're basically the same technology with a different wrapper. they're the type that retains there charge.
#19


Batteries of all kinds last little enough to start with, these are outmoded now as all the other new technology rechargeables are 2000mah.

Vapextech.co.uk are still the best value at the moment
#20
credington;5480184
Not Eneloop. Big difference.


Not Eneloop, big difference in price :-)

Nothing to get excited about with some of these brands :-(
#21
cb-uk;5480237
Vapextech have "generic Eneloop equivalents" for £5.40 for 4 delivered.


Even better value buying them in 8's too.
#22
the claimed retainmed charge held seems higher for eneloops than vapatechs - eneloops claims up to 85%
vapextech only claims 70% (after 1 year 90% and 80% respectively for 6 months)
if you have done the tests to back up your numbers then why would you claim 15% lower if its as good a product?
#23
brilly;5483080
the claimed retainmed charge held seems higher for eneloops than vapatechs - eneloops claims up to 85%
vapextech only claims 70% (after 1 year 90% and 80% respectively for 6 months)
if you have done the tests to back up your numbers then why would you claim 15% lower if its as good a product?


Not a clue what you mean by last sentence, but in practical terms, I don't leave batteries a year before using them, it's usually only a matter of weeks or a couple of months, so I don't notice ANY difference between Eneloop and Vapextech. You take them out, put them in the gear, and it works!

Claims are just that - claims. Ever seen the claims cosmetic firms and slimming products make?! Some firms claim a lot, some are less creative, it epends what they feel they can get away with. It's more an art than a science!
If you are a year between replacing the batteries on a piece of equipment, then perhaps if the Eneloop claims are to be believed, then they are going to be the better buy - but if you change batteries that little, then is it worth worrying about at all!

My attitude, if something works, it works; if it doesn't. then I don't buy them again. If something cheap works as well as something expensive, I buy the cheap. If something cheap is a disproportionally poorer than the dear gear, I buy the dearer!
As it is, I pay £10.50 for 8 Vapextech, they are indistinguishable from Eneloop in use, and I don't even think about paying £14 for the Eneloop, so I save about 25%
#24
last sentence:
eneloops have been tested to 85% retention
if vapextechs were as good they would have 85% retention yet they claim only 70%.
if they dont then soemone could easily go 'hey i tested these in lab condition and get x with y confidence levels'
testing of charge retention and other repeatable experiments are completely different to those cosmetic ones which are based on feelings and opinion.

have you tested both these and eneloops side by side? you say indistinguishable but you dont supply figures perhaps to you they are indistinguishable but then to others they wont be.
lower retention is pretty much the same as lower capacity depending on their use and so why not just get the 8 for 6.99 mymemory 1600mah hybrios? 20% less capacity for a greater than 20% saving.
they work, and are indistinguishable in use most probably except they run out faster, same as vapextech ones do vs the eneloops based on the manufacturers claims.
#25
brilly;5484391

have you tested both these and eneloops side by side? you say indistinguishable but you dont supply figures perhaps to you they are indistinguishable but then to others they wont be.


What are you on about, testing & figures?
I am a user not a manufacturer or an ISO accredited test lab.

I test things by USING them. I find them indistinguishable IN PRACTICE. Most people on here test everything they buy that way. You know, tun the telly on and decide if the picture is good bad, dark or light, maybe compare it to another one by looking at both.

If I say I get 35mpg in my car, it hasn't been measured on a test track, nor has it been checked by anyone, and that's good enough for 99.9% of people to get a good idea of how it will perform. Maybe it might actually be 35.23mpg, but ordinary people don't give a monkeys, and they still have a rough idea for comparison.

What is this site becoming? A branch of Cloud Cuckoo land ? :-(
1 Like #26
brilly
the claimed retainmed charge held seems higher for eneloops than vapatechs - eneloops claims up to 85%
vapextech only claims 70% (after 1 year 90% and 80% respectively for 6 months)
if you have done the tests to back up your numbers then why would you claim 15% lower if its as good a product?


Look at it the otherway around..
maybe Vapextech aren't under quoting and maybe eneloop are over claming at 85%
Either way, to me the percentages are sales guff, so I ignore them. I'll be looking at capactiy, battery size, price and the experiences of users.
#27
lightbulb;5489958
Look at it the otherway around..
maybe Vapextech aren't under quoting and maybe eneloop are over claming at 85%
Either way, to me the percentages are sales guff, so I ignore them. I'll be looking at capactiy, battery size, price and the experiences of users.


A voice of reason
#28
nihcaj
What are you on about, testing & figures?
I am a user not a manufacturer or an ISO accredited test lab.

I test things by USING them. I find them indistinguishable IN PRACTICE. Most people on here test everything they buy that way. You know, tun the telly on and decide if the picture is good bad, dark or light, maybe compare it to another one by looking at both.

If I say I get 35mpg in my car, it hasn't been measured on a test track, nor has it been checked by anyone, and that's good enough for 99.9% of people to get a good idea of how it will perform. Maybe it might actually be 35.23mpg, but ordinary people don't give a monkeys, and they still have a rough idea for comparison.

What is this site becoming? A branch of Cloud Cuckoo land ? :-(

yes you aren't manufacturer or iso accredited lab thats EXACTLY why id go with manufacturers spec over 'it works as well as' by some guy off a forum.
as i have said batteries are completely different to cosmetics and are not subject to opinions but repeatable facts.

if sanyo are lying then they would have been found out so i think its safe to assume they are not.
so i think its safe to assume that eneloops are better - it may not be noticable in use over time but then would you really notice a 5-10% difference 'in use' rather than rigorous testing? i dont think you would.
however, the subtle benefits would remain.

going to your car analogy its more like you saying 2 cars both do about 35mpg whilst one does 32 and one does 38 - they'll both get you from a-b and last 'some' weeks but after a few top ups in the garage you may notice some difference and know that 'some weeks per tank' doesn't really tell the full story.

perhaps if you post twice per rechargable thread raving about vapextechs then it will become more true.

they may well be as good but until some real testing is done i'll go with gut feeling and the highly reputable brand (detailed spec sheets for all products iirc) over some basically unknown manufacturer.

lightbulb - the retention is sales guff yet you look at capacity? ok im sure all 2100 rated are identical because the manufacturer says so yet because the manufacturer claims something else its not true.
still, you did agree with nihcaj which probably earned you some rep for agreeing and obviously makes you a voice of reason.
#29
brilly

lightbulb - the retention is sales guff yet you look at capacity? ok im sure all 2100 rated are identical because the manufacturer says so yet because the manufacturer claims something else its not true.
still, you did agree with nihcaj which probably earned you some rep for agreeing and obviously makes you a voice of reason.


If you look at how batteries are rated, you look at capacities as a set standard, retention rates are a relatively unknown and little used measure and you dont see batteries sold as AA 2100mah 85% retention.

I use capacities in purchasing decisions in the same way I use predefined sizes such as AA to select them. Sure I cant prove its 2100 over 1600 but it's a given to a certain extent that the 2100 will be more than 1600. The same would apply if the battery manufacturers clearly sold every battery with retention rates across their entire range on the packaging so comparisons can be made...which they don't.

As for your final comment, you seem to think there is some collusion, it has brought the bitchiness out in you and doesn't warrant further coment.
#30
lightbulb
If you look at how batteries are rated, you look at capacities as a set standard, retention rates are a relatively unknown and little used measure and you dont see batteries sold as AA 2100mah 85% retention.

I use capacities in purchasing decisions in the same way I use predefined sizes such as AA to select them. Sure I cant prove its 2100 over 1600 but it's a given to a certain extent that the 2100 will be more than 1600. The same would apply if the battery manufacturers clearly sold every battery with retention rates across their entire range on the packaging so comparisons can be made...which they don't.

As for your final comment, you seem to think there is some collusion, it has brought the bitchiness out in you and doesn't warrant further coment.


yes i agree that you should take it as given that 2100 is more than 1600 the same as 85 is more than 70.
charge retention is only a factor for low self discharge batteries and most of them do quote retention figures so comparisons can be made. (from memory have seen for eneloop, hybrios, infiniums and these vapextechs - not really many others about)
iirc there are some which are 2100 and some 2000 so these are pretty close - perhaps they have the same capacity perhaps not, the same for 70 and 85%.
my point is you can claim that from using the battery it works as well...but unless you have carried out a repeatable experiment you are just going by feeling so its worth a pinch of salt.

As for the collusion thing its not aimed at you but nihcaj seeing as i got rep in a thread for basically agreeing with him
"common sense at last! :-)" was the comment in profile i think.
agree = common sense

this thread is expired now anyway :)
#31


I just bought a load of Hyrbrios from :-



GBP 5.18 + shipping for Hybrio 2100mAh pack of four. Shipping is GBP 2.50 for five packs of four batteries. So GBP 5.68 per pack for qty 5 :-) These were the cheapest Hybios that I was able to find in the UK. Some places are charging over 12 quid for the same thing !

Arrived next day, through my letter box :-)

Hybrios are not as cheap as they were 9 months ago when Asda's were clearing them at under GBP 3.00 per pack. But seems that all the prices go up in a recession, once everybody has cleared their stocks :-(

Funny how all the prices go up, and yet inflation continues to come down according to our government masters ?

Ralph
#32
fladda
I just bought a load of Hyrbrios from :-



GBP 5.18 + shipping for Hybrio 2100mAh pack of four. Shipping is GBP 2.50 for five packs of four batteries. So GBP 5.68 per pack for qty 5 :-) These were the cheapest Hybios that I was able to find in the UK. Some places are charging over 12 quid for the same thing !

Arrived next day, through my letter box :-)

Hybrios are not as cheap as they were 9 months ago when Asda's were clearing them at under GBP 3.00 per pack. But seems that all the prices go up in a recession, once everybody has cleared their stocks :-(

Funny how all the prices go up, and yet inflation continues to come down according to our government masters ?

Ralph

never heard of them but thats a good price.
dont think the old price was much below the price you bought them for as the asda etc prices were clearance rather than standard.

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