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Please Help, Advice Needed.
This is my first Post and i am a newbie in the Graphics Card Field. I am looking to upgrade my graphics card on my desktop PC and all i know is my motherboard has a AGP Slot and not PCI-Express. I am not sure if this card is compatible with my PC and how to install it. Is this a good price as it has a HDMI, Direct X 10, Shader Model 4.0 and is Vista Compatible.

Graphics Card Description:
Witness firsthand DirectX 10 gaming and HD features without the prohibitive price tag. The Sapphire ATI Radeon HD 2400 PRO provides next generation hardware that promises immersive high definition gaming for Windows Vista and DirectX 10 with easy CrossFire multi-GPU upgradeability to run the hot titles of today and tomorrow. Delivering a fully loaded HD feature-set including support for ATI Avivo HD, HDMI connectability, HD Audio and Blu-ray / HD DVD decoding via Universal Video Decoding technology, the Sapphire 2400 PRO exceeds the demands of the performance hungry Media PC. The Sapphire Radeon HD 2400 PRO with its robust hardware offerings such as: the much anticipated ATI Radeon HD 2400 PRO GPU, support for up to 256MB of onboard memory, 64-bit memory interface, silent passive cooling, and PCI Express native support will provide the pixel pounding muscle to drive the feature rich Windows Vista 3D environment and increase productivity. When paired with Sapphire industry leading innovation in hardware, there is little doubt that the Sapphire 2400 PRO will lead the industry in best features and value.

My PC is SONY PCV-RX201 and i bought it in 2002 it is P4 1.6Ghz. 512MB RAM with 250GB Hard Drive.

1) IS THIS CARD COMPATIBLE WITH MY PC?
2) HOW DO I INSTALL IT?
3) What is "ATI CrossFire Technology" and can i install this card on its own?
4) IS IT IMPORTANT TO UPGRADE MY RAM TO 1GB?
5) ARE MICRO DIRECT ANY GOOD WITH RETURNS?
6) IS THIS THE BEST PRICE WITHIN A BUDGET OF ABOUT £50 for all the features?
7) WILL I NEED ANY TYPE OF COOLING DEVICE? (I have no idea about this)

Any help will be appritiated. Thanks in advance. Sorry for the long post.
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#2


That one is pcie so wont work in his machine.
#3


That is a different card with PCI-Express Slot which i dont have. I have a AGP slot and this seems to be the best one available for the price.

Was beat to it. Thanks sedj
#4
OP has AGP slot not PCI-E

As pointed out above ;)
#5
Could u plaese tell me the bes place to get advice on this?
#6
>What is "ATI CrossFire Technology" and can i install this card on its own?

Crossfire is where you install 2 (or more) cards in the same PC to improve gaming graphics performance.

NVidia call their technology SLI.

You CAN install this card on its own.
#7
guilbert53
>What is "ATI CrossFire Technology" and can i install this card on its own?

Crossfire is where you install 2 (or more) cards in the same PC to improve gaming graphics performance.

NVidia call their technology SLI.

You CAN install this card on its own.


Thanks guilbert53:thumbsup: that solves one problem. Now i need to know if it is compatible with my PC. Anyone?
#8
manutd99,

To begin with, you need to check the minimum specs of software you would like to use but can't at the moment - as I suspect that anything that can come close to needing a card this modern will be limited by your CPU.

As far as using this for watching TV/DVDs/High Def (Blue-Ray etc) - with the right software that uses this graphics card properly, there is a good chance you will be able to display DVD quality video - but glitch free is not guaranteed. Displaying HD quality may well be out of the question with your computer regardless of the graphics card installed.

To get value out of this graphics card you'd need to upgrade your RAM to 1GB, your CD drive to DVD, your CPU to at least 2.4GHz P4, and don't forget the £40 your forking out for this video card.

Given all this you might be better advised to save your money and put it towards a new machine. ;-)
#9
>HOW DO I INSTALL IT?

Search in Google for "replace graphics card" or similar and you find a few sites, like this:

http://www.pctechguide.com/tutorials/GraphicsCard_Remove.htm

I assume your PC is using on board graphics (graphics chip built into the motherboard).

These are the rough steps:

In Windows change your graphic resolution down to its minimum (VGA 640x480)

Open the PC case and carefully insert the card.

Take the monitor cable out of the old graphics slot and plug the monitor cable into the new card.

Start your PC and go into the BIOS and there will be an option saying something like "use on board graphics". Turn this option OFF.

Now as your PC starts it should find the graphics card. You may get various messages from Windows but you should get a basic Windows desktop.

(If you DONT get the Windows desktop then plug the monitor back in its old slot and reset the option in the BIOS. At least you will get your old desktop back. Then find out why it did not work)

If Windows starts OK with new graphics card then install the driver for the graphics card. You should now be able to change your graphics resolution.

I think that is about it.
#10
>WILL I NEED ANY TYPE OF COOLING DEVICE? (I have no idea about this)

If a graphics card needs a cooling device it will be built onto the card.

It will either be a fan, or in some cases a large heatsink.

This is normally enough (unless you hammer a card then you need more cooling but this should not be a problem in your case)
#11
>Witness first hand DirectX 10 gaming

The description of the graphics card say the above.

Note that DirectX 10 is ONLY availabe in Windows VIsta so you cannot take adantage of this.

Isn't upgrading a PC a nightmare !
#12
guilbert53
>Witness first hand DirectX 10 gaming

The description of the graphics card say the above.

Note that DirectX 10 is ONLY availabe in Windows VIsta so you cannot take adantage of this.

Isn't upgrading a PC a nightmare !


Thanks for all the help I was planning to upgrade to Vista anyway. Nightmare is an understatement. Now im worried if my processor is good enough coz peackshelb reccomended to upgrade that and i am not going down that road.

My PC has a DVD ROM in it and i dont want to run a very high level game i just wanted to improve the preformance and sometimes play Pro Evolution Soccer 2008. Is it possible to use the card with my 1.6Ghz. Processor as i am not a hardcore gamer.

I already have in mind to uprade the RAM and it will cost me £40 to get 2x512MB Banks of DDR PC2700. any cheaper anywhere else?

Once again thanks for the help peackshelb and guilbert53.
#13
if it takes 1GB ram chips get this!!!!!!!!

http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(25726)Qimonda-1GB-DDR-400Mhz-PC3200-RAM-memory.aspx

PC3200 will run at PC2700 speed in a PC2700 speed motherboard

Otherwise a £20 motherboard, £23 PCI-E graphics card and £13 1GB DDR would be faster and even cheaper. (If the PC has standard motherboard fittings.)
#14
alandarl
if it takes 1GB ram chips get this!!!!!!!!

http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(25726)Qimonda-1GB-DDR-400Mhz-PC3200-RAM-memory.aspx

PC3200 will run at PC2700 speed in a PC2700 speed motherboard

Otherwise a £20 motherboard, £23 PCI-E graphics card and £13 1GB DDR would be faster and even cheaper. (If the PC has standard motherboard fittings.)


Sorry for so many questions but how do i find out if my motherboard has standared fittings and where could i find one for £20
#15
alandarl
if it takes 1GB ram chips get this!!!!!!!!

http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(25726)Qimonda-1GB-DDR-400Mhz-PC3200-RAM-memory.aspx

PC3200 will run at PC2700 speed in a PC2700 speed motherboard


I did a quick google on the SONY PCV-RX201 and it seems that it is only upgradable to 1GB RAM total, so if manutd99 is happy to get inside the case then I think the best budget option is as you suggested:

alandarl
Otherwise a £20 motherboard, £23 PCI-E graphics card and £13 1GB DDR would be faster and even cheaper. (If the PC has standard motherboard fittings.)


manutd99,
Just keep an eye on space, and the PSU - as you'll need to make sure everything fits, and the PSU has to both supply enough power and have the correct connectors for any new stuff.
If you're so inclined, you will learn a great deal from going this route, but it will take some time to checkout everything you need and to get it all working.

Have a read through some guides to building your own PC like this one:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/building-your-own-pc,review-528.html
to see if this might be something you'd enjoy.

Good luck whatever option you choose. :)
#16
peackshelb
I did a quick google on the SONY PCV-RX201 and it seems that it is only upgradable to 1GB RAM total, so if manutd99 is happy to get inside the case then I think the best budget option is as you suggested:



manutd99,
Just keep an eye on space, and the PSU - as you'll need to make sure everything fits, and the PSU has to both supply enough power and have the correct connectors for any new stuff.
If you're so inclined, you will learn a great deal from going this route, but it will take some time to checkout everything you need and to get it all working.

Have a read through some guides to building your own PC like this one:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/building-your-own-pc,review-528.html
to see if this might be something you'd enjoy.

Good luck whatever option you choose. :)


Thanks very much:thumbsup: for all the advice and im taking it all on board and wont rush to any decisions although pc building seems very intresting i will research and see what i can do.

Anyone know the cheapest motherboard and processor preferably Intel Core 2 Duo?


I have searched and found his but dont know if it will work together:

http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(21814)Asus-Motherboard-P5GCMX1333-Intel-945GC-LGA775.aspx
AND
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(19962)Intel-CPU-Core-2-Duo-E4500-2x2GHz-800FSB.aspx
AND
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(17822)Kingston-2GB-Value-RAM-DDR2-667MHz-PC5300.aspx

Any idea? and how do i know if it will fit and if my original PSU will be compatible?
#17
>Thanks for all the help I was planning to upgrade to Vista anyway

Dont think about upgrading to Vista on the PC you have.

It will run like a dog.

As someone else has said, rather than upgrading this PC bit by bit why not consider building a new PC.

Technology has moved on a lot since you bought your PC and all the new components are now faster. Sata is faster than IDE, PCI-E is faster than AGP and so on.
#18
Is this the item but cheaper?
Ebuyer 37.01+pp
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/134855
... might get one myself are they any good? is there better for a similar price?
#19
manutd99
Thanks very much:thumbsup: for all the advice and im taking it all on board and wont rush to any decisions although pc building seems very intresting i will research and see what i can do.

Anyone know the cheapest motherboard and processor preferably Intel Core 2 Duo?


I have searched and found his but dont know if it will work together:

http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(21814)Asus-Motherboard-P5GCMX1333-Intel-945GC-LGA775.aspx
AND
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(19962)Intel-CPU-Core-2-Duo-E4500-2x2GHz-800FSB.aspx
AND
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/(17822)Kingston-2GB-Value-RAM-DDR2-667MHz-PC5300.aspx

Any idea? and how do i know if it will fit and if my original PSU will be compatible?



I haven't built a machine for a while, so I'm not up to date with all potential issues, but FWIW:

1) the motherboard you mention there has a Micro ATX Form Factor. This tells you what sort of cases it will fit in. I don't know the details of the case you currently have, so I can't tell you if your case has screw holes/etc in the right places for a Micro ATX motherboard. You'll need to look this up yourself.

2) The CPU and RAM seem to me to be correct for the motherboard there, but as I mentioned, I haven't built a machine in a while, so I can't tell you for sure.

3) I've never dealt with Microdirect, so can't tell you what they are like.

4) Take note that the motherboard only comes with one IDE channel, so that's a limit of 2 IDE devices (unless you add a seperate PCI card) - eg one IDE DVD ROM drive and one IDE HDD.

5) The motherboard supports 4 SATA drives, but I'm pretty certain your Power Supply Unit won't have any SATA power connectors. You can buy Molex to SATA power cables, but I have no idea how many Molex connectors your PSU currently has, nor if you'll have any free.

6) I don't know what connectors your power supply has for motherboards, but the motherboard you linked to needs:
"Power Connectors 4-pin ATX12V connector, 24-pin main power connector"
You will have to work this out for yourself.

7) If you add up the cost of the motherboard + RAM + CPU + video card it comes to almost £180. If you add to that the cost of maybe a new PSU or cables or Case etc, you will probably find a cheaper pre-built option already mentioned or poping up here on HUKD at some stage.

8) Custom builds are great if you have the time, and can be really important if you have specific needs - such as ultra quiet operation for a Home Theatre system. But at the very budget end of the market they are unlikely to be cheaper than the deals that appear around here every now and again for budget systems. If you don't mind a noisy machine, you could check out the Dell deals that have appeared lately (Vostro 200 and 400 machines). I've never owned one, and gather that they aren't quiet, but they are often cheaper than buying the components seperately and building a machine yourself, even if you leave out one or two things that are included in the pre-build (eg new HDD) that you don't absolutely need at the moment.

9) If you're still itching to build you own, do a lot of reading on the internet, find a forum where people are into building PCs, and post your proposed components up for others to give you feedback on, then go for it. But this probably isn't the place, and I certainly don't have my eye in at the moment to help you much more on this.

Good luck! :)

P.S. sorry about the delay in replying, but something weird happened with your last post. When I checked on Friday night the two posts after yours were there, but yours wasn't :?
#20
Thanks peackshelb for all the assistance i really appritiate it. I have looked around and think that although building a computer seems very exiting and attracts me a lot i think i will leave it for some time in the future as it is something i realy consider doing.

I have seen some dell deals recently and i think i might go for one as i seem to be able to get the specs i want for around £500. But the deals keep changing so i will wait until i find the perfect one.

Once again thanks for all the assistance:thumbsup:

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