SAPPHIRE TECHNOLOGY Radeon HD 4650 - 512 MB GDDR2 - PCI-Express 2.0 £34.42 delivered @ pixmania - HotUKDeals
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Many people asked about a decent graphics card to put in the desktop value PC I posted on Wednesday from ebuyer at http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/extra-value-desktop-celeron-e3400-2/838441

Im no PC whizz but my research tells me that this one is a good option at a decent price for those who want a low-mid dedicated graphics card.

I haven't bought this yet but i'll get an indication pretty soon from cold voters if its unsuitable or a bad price!

Price is £31 + £4.30 postage = £35.30. Enter code PIXBEATVAT10 to get 2.5% off making it £34.42

6% quidco makes it £32.35. Couldn't find it delivered for less than this price anywhere else

Product details
Interface Type : PCI Express 2.0 x16
Graphics Processor / Vendor : ATI Radeon HD 4650
Video Memory Installed : 512 MB
Technology : DDR2 SDRAM 64-bit
Interfaces : 1 x DVI-I - 29 pin combined DVI ¦ 1 x VGA - 15 pin HD D-Sub (HD-15) ¦ 1 x HDMI - 19 pin HDMI Type A
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#2
Quite a decent card, but i'd rather pay a few more ££ than deal with pixmania. Good find though.
#3
I have had one of these in my machine for about 6 months. It's a great feature packed card that is very good value for money.

+1 to what daz said. For £14 more, you can get the same card with 1GB of memory http://www.ebuyer.com/product/161310

Heat added.
#4
Ebuyer also have the XFX Radeon HD 4670 1GB on pre-order for £47.63

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/190752

Stock expected 6th Jan...
#5
itsamac
+1 to what daz said. For £14 more, you can get the same card with 1GB of memory http://www.ebuyer.com/product/161310


I don't know if daz was referring to a paying a bit more for a card with more memory, or whether Pixmania are a loathsome company to deal with and that the extra money would go towards the decent customer service you might get somewhere else?

I have heard of problems from Pixmania, I think your recommendation of using Ebuyer as a supplier is worth the £14 on it's own.

So a decent deal, not so decent shop...
#6
i've got the 4670 1gb, can say that's a good base card for a 22” monitor at native res! Good price for this one, but i'd pay the extra bit too :-)
#7
Max-Power
i've got the 4670 1gb, can say that's a good base card for a 22” monitor at native res! Good price for this one, but i'd pay the extra bit too :-)

I only have a 300w PSU and celeron e1400 processor - do you think this will be an issue? After I posted this card (4650) I found the 5450 which is lower performance but much lower power consumption. I'd go for the 4670 recommended by Cobaltblue if anyone can confirm that it wil run ok?
#8
you probably will need a psu upgrade for the 4650 so go with the 4670 if you'll need to upgrade anyway. However your system might bottleneck the GPU. Mine did the same a while back.

Edited By: Dan-Fish on Jan 01, 2011 12:04
#10
According to Tom's hardware it can run L4D at 1680x1050 with AA and AF off, shader detail on medium and everything else on high at an average of 74 fps. In order to play something like Crysis you are going to have to turn the settings down to medium or lower and reduce the resolution. For a card under £35 to be running Crysis at all is pretty impressive in my opinion.

Nobody new to building PCs should make the mistake of thinking this is a great card - by today's standards it isn't - but for a gamer on a very tight budget, or someone building a second PC intended for some light gaming, this card appears to offer great value for money.

Heat added.
#11
This or a passively cooled 9500GT if you want to go the nVidia way.
#12
radekstepan
This or a passively cooled 9500GT if you want to go the nVidia way.


9500GT has 32 cuda cores, so quite decent for offloading media processing to the GPU. Handy in a HTPC using XBMC for example.
#13
This is a decent HTPC card, and will handle a little light gaming too.
... if only it wasn't Pixmania.

If you're just after a HTPC card, and you are eligible for free delivery from Scan, this passively cooled HD 4550 for £28.55 is a great option -
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/512mb-(1gb-hm)-xfx-hd-4550-pci-e-20-1000mhz-gddr2-gpu-600mhz-80-cores-d-sub-dl-dvi-i-hdmi



Edited By: jukkie on Jan 01, 2011 13:24
banned#14
only used pixmania twice but they were great both times, unsure what problems you guys have had..
#15
Seconding all the 'shame it's Pixmania' sentiments. Made the mistake of ordering a TV from them last year... never again.
#16
Llamarama
Seconding all the 'shame it's Pixmania' sentiments. Made the mistake of ordering a TV from them last year... never again.


Me too, I bought a £450 TV which stopped working after 13 months, I lost the will to live after dealing with their so called customer service. I'd never buy anything off these cowboys ever again.
#17
Be aware you guys are mixing up DDR2 and GDDR3 based cards. There is performance difference between those memory types, and especially at those sizes / res the card will likely be chucking around a lot more textures and the like thus needing that extra bandwidth from the memory.
#18
gooddeals9
only used pixmania twice but they were great both times, unsure what problems you guys have had..


I take it you've never had the pleasure of dealing with their after sales service?... count yourself lucky!
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jukkie
This is a decent HTPC card, and will handle a little light gaming too.
... if only it wasn't Pixmania.

If you're just after a HTPC card, and you are eligible for free delivery from Scan, this passively cooled HD 4550 for £28.55 is a great option -
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/512mb-(1gb-hm)-xfx-hd-4550-pci-e-20-1000mhz-gddr2-gpu-600mhz-80-cores-d-sub-dl-dvi-i-hdmi




I'd go with a HD5450 passive for a few GBP more. Runs cooler, use less power and supports Dolby and DTS HD.
#20
Me too. Would never buy from Pixmania again. Returns process is beyond awful.
#21
GAVINLEWISHUKD
jukkie
This is a decent HTPC card, and will handle a little light gaming too.... if only it wasn't Pixmania.If you're just after a HTPC card, and you are eligible for free delivery from Scan, this passively cooled HD 4550 for £28.55 is a great option -http://www.scan.co.uk/products/512mb-(1gb-hm)-xfx-hd-4550-pci-e-20-1000mhz-gddr2-gpu-600mhz-80-cores-d-sub-dl-dvi-i-hdmi
I'd go with a HD5450 passive for a few GBP more. Runs cooler, use less power and supports Dolby and DTS HD.
Didn't realise they were so cheap now, thanks for pointing me that way.
#22
itsamac
For £14 more, you can get the same card with 1GB of memory http://www.ebuyer.com/product/161310


The 1gb of memory won't make any real difference with this card compared with 512mb - any application that might require 1gb memory would run terribly on this card in the first place. From benchmarks, 512mb memory was the sweet spot (compared with 256mb which bottlenecked performance) and 1gb made an extremely tiny difference if any compared to 512mb.

I can't comment on Pixmania and the need to avoid them, as I've never used them.


Edited By: RJK3 on Jan 01, 2011 19:06: spelling
#23
Hey guys how well would this run WoW? Currently I have a intel onboard graphics card with an intel pentium 4 processor and 1gb ram, I can only run it on the lowest settings and get like 10-30 fps. And how ill i know my pc won't overheat if i buy this card?
#24
how much better then an nvidia 7600gs is this? thinking about upgrading but that would mean i'd also need a new mobo as mine has agp. curently have asus p5vdc-mx with pentium dc 3.4ghz, 1gb ddr2 ram and nvidia geforce 7600gs with 256mb dedicated memory and 512mb shared. if it is worth upgrading, can anyone recommend a decent cheap mobo, possibly suitable for overclocking?
also would it be worth having two of these and using a crossfire config?

Edited By: joseph1102 on Jan 01, 2011 17:56
#26
Iv jus got myself a 1gb 4670 passively cooled card to go with my athlon64 3000+.....
Iv jus installed the new xbmc dharma release and the background images take aa good few seconds to load.... Is this normal? My specs too low?
#27
tatsu
Hey guys how well would this run WoW? Currently I have a intel onboard graphics card with an intel pentium 4 processor and 1gb ram, I can only run it on the lowest settings and get like 10-30 fps. And how ill i know my pc won't overheat if i buy this card?
You should be able to run WoW at medium settings with decent frame rates (30+), I'd advise installing the latest drivers from ATI and running the auto-tune overclocker to get the most out of it.
And this card isn't really powerfull enough to make a PC overheat, it runs a little warm, but should be fine.

Edited By: jukkie on Jan 02, 2011 00:49
#28
joseph1102
how much better then an nvidia 7600gs is this? thinking about upgrading but that would mean i'd also need a new mobo as mine has agp. curently have asus p5vdc-mx with pentium dc 3.4ghz, 1gb ddr2 ram and nvidia geforce 7600gs with 256mb dedicated memory and 512mb shared. if it is worth upgrading, can anyone recommend a decent cheap mobo, possibly suitable for overclocking?
also would it be worth having two of these and using a crossfire config?


Hi, this card is significantly faster, by about x2 or x3 times the 7600gs, but as you say, you'd need a new motherboard for this PCI express card. If you were doing that, you would really want a new dual, triple or quad core CPU. And there are cards that are significantly faster for not a lot more money, the 4670 mentioned being a good example, being about twice as fast again than this DDR2 equipped card.

If I were building a good low cost gaming capable machine, it'd be based around a triple core Athlon II 440/445 and a 4670.

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This 4650 is so much better than onboard graphics, it's like jumping from a PS one to a PS3, for less than the price of a game. So a hot deal.
#29


That is a very misleading list and I can't understand how they are testing cards that gives an nvidia GT450 a higher rating than a 4850x2. The guide I use has a single 4850 card giving equal performance to a Nvidia 450. The 4850x2 gives about double the performance of a single card, yet that list has it as a slower card than a 450.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/gaming-graphics-card-recommendation-upgrade,review-32078-7.html
#30
Dan-Fish
you probably will need a psu upgrade for the 4650 so go with the 4670 if you'll need to upgrade anyway. However your system might bottleneck the GPU. Mine did the same a while back.


Definitely not the case. The 4650 and the 4670 draw their power from the PCI-E slot, they do not have a 6 pin PCI-E power socket that more power hungry cards have, which need a PSU upgrade.

The 4670 link says it needs a 400w PSU. That is a budget, cheap as chips, value, 400w PSU. If you have a Dell or other brand name PC, they will generally have a more robust but lower watt rated PSU. In general a 250w/300w dell PSU has more than enough juice for these cards.

These cards and most versions of the Nvidia GT240 are the sweet spot of price and performance without requiring a PSU upgrade.

If you buy one of these cards, it is very unlikely you will need to upgrade your PSU.
banned#31
Willie_Hmmm
Dan-Fish
you probably will need a psu upgrade for the 4650 so go with the 4670 if you'll need to upgrade anyway. However your system might bottleneck the GPU. Mine did the same a while back.


Definitely not the case. The 4650 and the 4670 draw their power from the PCI-E slot, they do not have a 6 pin PCI-E power socket that more power hungry cards have, which need a PSU upgrade.

The 4670 link says it needs a 400w PSU. That is a budget, cheap as chips, value, 400w PSU. If you have a Dell or other brand name PC, they will generally have a more robust but lower watt rated PSU. In general a 250w/300w dell PSU has more than enough juice for these cards.

These cards and most versions of the Nvidia GT240 are the sweet spot of price and performance without requiring a PSU upgrade.

If you buy one of these cards, it is very unlikely you will need to upgrade your PSU.

I agree.

I have a ebuyer zoostorm PC with a 300W PSU and have had no problems running my XFX 4650 1GB
#32
csiman
Willie_Hmmm
Dan-Fish
you probably will need a psu upgrade for the 4650 so go with the 4670 if you'll need to upgrade anyway. However your system might bottleneck the GPU. Mine did the same a while back.
Definitely not the case. The 4650 and the 4670 draw their power from the PCI-E slot, they do not have a 6 pin PCI-E power socket that more power hungry cards have, which need a PSU upgrade.The 4670 link says it needs a 400w PSU. That is a budget, cheap as chips, value, 400w PSU. If you have a Dell or other brand name PC, they will generally have a more robust but lower watt rated PSU. In general a 250w/300w dell PSU has more than enough juice for these cards.These cards and most versions of the Nvidia GT240 are the sweet spot of price and performance without requiring a PSU upgrade.If you buy one of these cards, it is very unlikely you will need to upgrade your PSU.
I agree.I have a ebuyer zoostorm PC with a 300W PSU and have had no problems running my XFX 4650 1GB

Thats useful to know - I have a zoostorm with a 300w PSU and read mixed things on forums about whether a 4650 or 4670 will cause system crashes with a 300w PSU and many suggested a 'good' PSU will handle the card fine (as mentioned by WIllie). You've confirmed that its ok on a similar machine to mine :-)

Also from a bit more research I think the 4670 will be a better bet - significantly more power for only £15 more. The problem with graphics cards in this price range is that they keep going up in £10-£15 increments for significantly better performance - I get easily swayed to go for the next one up!

Anyone got any opinions on 4670 vs 5570? Both are c.£50
#33
Can this card display both hdmi and dvi simultaneously?
#34
Nice!!! looking for a budget graphics card for crossfire capabilities so can have a 3 monitor set up.
This looks like it may do the trick.

Would you guys and gals go for this or the SAPPHIRE TECHNOLOGY RADEON HD 5450 HYPERMEMORY - 512 MB GDDR2 - PCI-EXPRESS 2.1 at £33.30
#35
Az911
Nice!!! looking for a budget graphics card for crossfire capabilities so can have a 3 monitor set up.
This looks like it may do the trick.

Would you guys and gals go for this or the SAPPHIRE TECHNOLOGY RADEON HD 5450 HYPERMEMORY - 512 MB GDDR2 - PCI-EXPRESS 2.1 at £33.30


You could buy this and this to give you a single card 3 monitor setup.
banned#36
Az911
Nice!!! looking for a budget graphics card for crossfire capabilities so can have a 3 monitor set up.
This looks like it may do the trick.

Would you guys and gals go for this or the SAPPHIRE TECHNOLOGY RADEON HD 5450 HYPERMEMORY - 512 MB GDDR2 - PCI-EXPRESS 2.1 at £33.30

4650 is a much faster card than a 5450 (60% higher G3D Rating)

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu_list.php
banned#37
take note that this wont be capable of playing games like crysis at optimal spec but its fine as along as you turn off AA
#38
computergeek1234
Can this card display both hdmi and dvi simultaneously?
Yep.
#39
Az911 - Jan 02, 2011 20:42
Nice!!! looking for a budget graphics card for crossfire capabilities so can have a 3 monitor set up.
my ridiculously old 7600gs uses 3 displays. dvi and vga to 2 monitors then the tv out to a tv. works nicely as well :) just not in windows 7, won't let me have all three on at the same time for some reason...
just saying, you don't need crossfire for 3 displays.

Edited By: joseph1102 on Jan 04, 2011 19:31

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