Seagate Barracuda 7200 Hard drive1.5 TB 3.5" - SATA-300 - 7200 rpm - buffer: 32 MB £113.83 inc DEL @ Insight - HotUKDeals
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Seagate Barracuda 7200 Hard drive1.5 TB 3.5" - SATA-300 - 7200 rpm - buffer: 32 MB £113.83 inc DEL

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* 1.5 TB Serial ATA-300 Hard Drive
* 7200 rpm Spin Speed 8.5 ms Ave Seek Time
* 300 MBps Data Transfer Rate
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#1
Nothing special - been this price for a few weeks on the regular Seagate Scan Today Only offers and now £112.85 regular price - so expect even lower when Seagate drives reappear on Today Only in the next few days. Scan offer free del if you are a menber of certain forums like AVF
#2
do not purchase these drives unless you are willing to have them fail within a few months (in my and many others case 2 months)! if you want, you can check the official seagate forums on this issue. i am not whining because one died on me, i get that - hard drives fails. but when it is such a large problem and it is not being addressed (seagate will not reply to my support tickets) i would not recommend following in my steps. i am subsequently having to pay around £200 for data recovery over this!

the 7200.11 drives have a very common problem where the drives for no reason and with no warning fail to be detected in bios! regular home methods of data recovery hence become near impossible.

be warned!
#3
Looking at the Seagate forum, it appears to be resolved with the new firmware that tech support email out. Apparently email support lead times are atrocious, you're better off phoning them.
#4
Seagate were the best 2-3 years ago but recently seem to have dropped the ball.
Every few years the best engineers seem to get poached by one company to the next..
Would currently recommend WD.
The new 320GB per platter drives are very popular.
#5
fandyboy;3788367
Looking at the Seagate forum, it appears to be resolved with the new firmware that tech support email out. Apparently email support lead times are atrocious, you're better off phoning them.

can you link me to this? i would be interested to know how to update firmware on a drive that nothing can detect
#6
satnam99
do not purchase these drives unless you are willing to have them fail within a few months (in my and many others case 2 months)! if you want, you can check the official seagate forums on this issue. i am not whining because one died on me, i get that - hard drives fails. but when it is such a large problem and it is not being addressed (seagate will not reply to my support tickets) i would not recommend following in my steps. i am subsequently having to pay around £200 for data recovery over this!

the 7200.11 drives have a very common problem where the drives for no reason and with no warning fail to be detected in bios! regular home methods of data recovery hence become near impossible.

be warned!


If your data is that important then you should use RAID buying a second drive for recovery would have been cheaper than £200 recovery costs.
#7
If anyone needs thats much storage space for precious files (pictures of the kids, holiday snaps, home movies of the kids etc etc), then I'd recommend nothing less then some form of backup solution (RAID1 or manual backups even).

Drives fail, especially recently released ones which have not had much testing in the wild, but give it a bit longer and they soon settle down.

My rule of thumb - don't keep a single copy of a file that you can't live without - duplicate it instead
#8
Smiff
... Seagate were the best 2-3 years ago but recently seem to have dropped the ball ...Every few years the best engineers seem to get poached by one company to the next.. ... Would currently recommend WD. ... The new 320GB per platter drives are very popular ...


Well it seems Seagate are at it again, remember 2002?

http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/warranty_&_returns_assistance/product_warranty_matrix/

Warranty down from 5 years to 3 for drives shipped from 3rd January 2009.

Guess they have no faith in those made in china units, I know I don't.

Time to avoid Seagate!
#9
tomlewis007;3788415
If your data is that important then you should use RAID buying a second drive for recovery would have been cheaper than £200 recovery costs.

obviously!! talk about stating the obvious. i am not a complete dummy. it is not like i do not backup my data. but i just have not had time to do it recently. i bought the drive 2 months ago and only last week did i finish moving stuff from another dying drive on to it. i did not ever expect it to just die like that, given absolutely no warning signs. i do not think that 2 months for the life of a hard drive is acceptable, especially given the wide occurrence of this problem.
#10
satnam99
obviously!! talk about stating the obvious. i am not a complete dummy. it is not like i do not backup my data. but i just have not had time to do it recently. i bought the drive 2 months ago and only last week did i finish moving stuff from another dying drive on to it. i did not ever expect it to just die like that, given absolutely no warning signs. i do not think that 2 months for the life of a hard drive is acceptable, especially given the wide occurrence of this problem.


Thats great so you have the backups of the data you transfered on to the new drives and have only lost a couple of weeks data if that since you just got through moving the data over :whistling:
#11
Bowler_man;3788543
Thats great so you have the backups of the data you transfered on to the new drives and have only lost a couple of weeks data if that since you just got through moving the data over :whistling:

nope i do not. as mentioned that old drive is showing signs of failing (clicks, poor performance, it is about 5 years old etc) so when i finished moving the data, i got rid of the drive :(
#12
Just to add my 2pence. I have a number of Seagates HDD in the past for my server, but the number of failure is becoming unacceptable (plenty of door stoppers now :D). Luckily I do backup my data and able to restore mst of the data when the replacement arrive, just the hassle of transferring the data back on.

I would recommend either WD or Samsung.
#13
satnam99
nope i do not. as mentioned that old drive is showing signs of failing (clicks, poor performance, it is about 5 years old etc) so when i finished moving the data, i got rid of the drive :(


Sorry I must have misunderstood "i am not a complete dummy. it is not like i do not backup my data" just assumed you would still have the original backup data.
#14
:thumbsup:It's like a lawnmower in 'braindead' movie 1992
#15
satnam99
nope i do not. as mentioned that old drive is showing signs of failing (clicks, poor performance, it is about 5 years old etc) so when i finished moving the data, i got rid of the drive :(


piotrluk24
:thumbsup:It's like a lawnmower in 'braindead' movie 1992


how so ?
#16
Bowler_man;3788645
Sorry I must have misunderstood "i am not a complete dummy. it is not like i do not backup my data" just assumed you would still have the original backup data.

i suppose you are right to a certain degree. i had backed up to another older external a few months ago, but that drive simply was not big enough, hence the new HDD purchase. to be honest, i was reluctant to put everything i had on to the new one straight away but i honestly did not expect it to die on me like that. i had never heard of a seagate giving up so quickly

either way you are highlighting an important point, if you get one of these drives you should back up straight away and regularly. i am just trying to emphasize that you are much more likely to have to use those backups and go through an RMA procedure if you buy one of these drives, due to an inherent fault.
#17
drives are most likely to fail when new.. i always keep the old data after upgrading (usually i just leave the old drive in the machine, i have so little confidence in any particular drive working). partly i blame the poor packing standards of many companies.. edit: a 2 month failure is very unlucky though.

7200.8 < good reliability
7200.9 < good reliability
7200.10 < good reliability
7200.11 < terrible. hah! just when you least expect it
#18
satnam99
i suppose you are right to a certain degree. i had backed up to another older external a few months ago, but that drive simply was not big enough, hence the new HDD purchase. to be honest, i was reluctant to put everything i had on to the new one straight away but i honestly did not expect it to die on me like that. i had never heard of a seagate giving up so quickly

either way you are highlighting an important point, if you get one of these drives you should back up straight away and regularly. i am just trying to emphasize that you are much more likely to have to use those backups and go through an RMA procedure if you buy one of these drives, due to an inherent fault.


Good point and well put I would have hated to have to explain to the Wife that all our stuff had been lost, I tend to off line to a USB every 4 weeks even through I have a Raid 5 HDD array. Best of luck with the recovery.
#19
grumpyone
Well it seems Seagate are at it again, remember 2002?

http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/support/w...arranty_matrix/

Warranty down from 5 years to 3 for drives shipped from 3rd January 2009.

Guess they have no faith in those made in china units, I know I don't.

Time to avoid Seagate!


link 404
#20
hdds are a nightmare now. i just backup all my photos onto every one i own. i dont want to format them so setting up in a raid format is out of the question and i dont really need to buy a whole bunch of new drives atm
#21
dontasciime
link 404


Maybe it on a Seagate 1.5tb drive :thumbsup:
#22
satnam99
do not purchase these drives unless you are willing to have them fail within a few months



That's complete tripe...this particular drive hasn't even been out for a "few months", it's only about 1 month old. I bought one the week it was released and I haven't had any issues at all...I'm a heavy user and the computer has been on 24/7 since without concern.
#23
Bowler_man;3788815
Good point and well put I would have hated to have to explain to the Wife that all our stuff had been lost, I tend to off line to a USB every 4 weeks even through I have a Raid 5 HDD array. Best of luck with the recovery.

cheers! i will need it! i will have to look in to raid solutions i think, but it is going to put me further out of pocket :(
#24
RyCha;3789159
That's complete tripe...this particular drive hasn't even been out for a "few months", it's only about 1 month old. I bought one the week it was released and I haven't had any issues at all...I'm a heavy user and the computer has been on 24/7 since without concern.

i am glad your drive is working well. just note that mine was also fine after one month too. then pretty much on the day for 2 months (sunday 14th december) it died - bear in mind it had not been in use for all that time. i was waiting for other parts for a new build. i sincerely hope you do not have to go through what i have!

you are right about the drive model actually. i was getting mixed up about model numbers. however, the problem is associated with all 7200.11 drives with a particular firmware version. if you buy one, you run the risk of getting a bad egg
#25
You can get the Samsung 1TB for £70 now.
#26
satnam99
my invoice begs to differ:

Order Date: 13 Oct, 08, 11:31 am

i am glad your drive is working well. just note that mine was also fine after one month too. then pretty much on the day for 2 months (sunday 14th december) it died - bear in mind it had not been in use for all that time. i was waiting for other parts for a new build. i sincerely hope you do not have to go through what i have!


Clearly, typing any old date into a forum post is indisputable proof.
#27
RyCha;3789258
Clearly, typing any old date into a forum post is indisputable proof.

well that is the date i actually bought mine, but yeah my bad, i made a mistake. it was not this particular drive i bought. but it is also not just my particular drive that is encountering this problem. see my edited post above
#28
RyCha
Clearly, typing any old date into a forum post is indisputable proof.


Manual states "Rev A 06/17/08 Initial release"

http://www.seagate.com/staticfiles/support/disc/manuals/desktop/Barracuda%207200.11/100507013c.pdf
#29
Voted cold as I got mine for £109 delivered last week from scan, great drive very fast.
#30
Just a post about the reliability of drives:

I've had about 8 drives from most of the major manuafacturers, none of which have failed on me. I remember when I bought a 1TB Spinpoint F1 there were a lot of people stating that they all fail. To reassure people they all have worked fine for me (*touch wood*). Obviously backup the most important files (I do although most of the junk like mpegs I'm not too bothered about losing)
1 Like #31
satnam99
do not purchase these drives unless you are willing to have them fail within a few months (in my and many others case 2 months)! if you want, you can check the official seagate forums on this issue. i am not whining because one died on me, i get that - hard drives fails. but when it is such a large problem and it is not being addressed (seagate will not reply to my support tickets) i would not recommend following in my steps. i am subsequently having to pay around £200 for data recovery over this!

the 7200.11 drives have a very common problem where the drives for no reason and with no warning fail to be detected in bios! regular home methods of data recovery hence become near impossible.

be warned!
I've not read into the Seagate issue but if it's similar to the Samsung F1 1TB issue then I found a solution to that when I thought I lost all my data. It may not be the exact same process as it's different hardware but it might be worth a look.

Here is the thread I made: http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=155335
#32
FIBRE+;3789590
I've not read into the Seagate issue but if it's similar to the Samsung F1 1TB issue then I found a solution to that when I thought I lost all my data. It may not be the exact same process as it's different hardware but it might be worth a look.

Here is the thread I made: http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=155335

cheers fibre. unfortunately i just sent off my drive to someone to take a look at it :(

if they cannot diagnose it properly then i will look into your solution. rep added
#33
mamboboy
Couple of quid cheaper @ Ebuyer

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/149459


Good spot a couple of quid is a couple quid :santa:
#34
1 tb drives are down to around £60 so price per mb its not that cheap. I am more into redundancy these days and mirroring data, these large drives are great but really not that reliable.
#35
I really cannot understand the need for drives of this size, potentially so much data to lose.
I use 2no 320gig drives in raid 0 stripe to share the load and perform regular backups onto an external drive, with precious photos and files onto a memory stick as a secondary measure which is kept at my brothers house incase of a disaster or flood at home!.
I alternate usb sticks once a month
#36
satnam99
do not purchase these drives unless you are willing to have them fail within a few months (in my and many others case 2 months)! if you want, you can check the official seagate forums on this issue. i am not whining because one died on me, i get that - hard drives fails. but when it is such a large problem and it is not being addressed (seagate will not reply to my support tickets) i would not recommend following in my steps. i am subsequently having to pay around £200 for data recovery over this!

the 7200.11 drives have a very common problem where the drives for no reason and with no warning fail to be detected in bios! regular home methods of data recovery hence become near impossible.

be warned!


Bit stupid using a 1.5TB disk without a RAID setup. For one, 1.5TB disks are too slow to be standalone from the sheer capacity, and two would you really want to lose 1.5TB of data? Seagate are a good company, i use 7200.11 barracudas with no problem. Maybe they have problems with this particular disk, i dont know, but at 1.5TB it is a pretty new technology and you should expect problems if you want the latest and highest capacities.

If in doubt buy 2 of these and stripe or mirror them.
#37
Obviously you mean mirror.....Raid is too dangerous to use for joe average user unless its a plain and simple mirror.
#38
twistedknot
I really cannot understand the need for drives of this size, potentially so much data to lose.
I use 2no 320gig drives in raid 0 stripe to share the load and perform regular backups onto an external drive, with precious photos and files onto a memory stick as a secondary measure which is kept at my brothers house incase of a disaster or flood at home!.
I alternate usb sticks once a month


Now thats what I call Belt and Braces, but don't know about you but my Photo and Files are way over 8gb now with most of the Photos being around 1mb each dosen't take long to fill a USB stick. What size sticks are you using must be huge, thats why I offline to external HD but must admit I don't off site as well.
#39
satnam99
the 7200.11 drives have a very common problem where the drives for no reason and with no warning fail to be detected in bios...

That's perfectly normal for a Hard Drive failure.
satnam99
i did not ever expect it to just die like that, given absolutely no warning signs.

Again, that's perfectly normal behaviour.

Hard Drives fail. Often.
satnam99
if you get one of these drives you should back up straight away and regularly.

The drive you choose is irrelevent - modern Hard Drives fail. Often. You should always frequently backup unless your data is disposable.
satnam99
i will have to look in to raid solutions i think, but it is going to put me further out of pocket :(

RAID isn't the way to go - it offers you absolutely no protection at the file system level. If your filesytem becomes corrupt, or a virus nukes all your data, you're stuffed. It also offers no protection over the RAID environment itself - if your house is struck by lightening, or the RAID controller dies, you're stuffed.

All you need to do, is get yourself a big USB Hard Drive. Grab yourself a program like Acronis True Image (for about £15), and schedule a complete backup image of your system on a regular basis. Plug in the USB drive at backup time (while you're at work - cos it'll take a good few hours !), and then remove it and store it securely when the backup is complete.
Securing your data is as simple as that ! It's obviously trivial to rotate in a second USB drive if you want real redundancy - you could even store this one at your workplace to guard against your house burning down...

Hope that helps ! I deal with failed Hard Drives on a very regular basis - it can have terrible consequences, but it's so easy to guard against.

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