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Shahada Halal Large Whole Chicken (1.8Kg) - might be store specific as i haven't seen them before in ours
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#1
Erm, which store did you see this in?
banned 1 Like #2
Halal?
NO TY.
1 Like #3
can't imagine it will taste any different to ordinary chicken, can't think why it should be any different tasting, although when you start eating it and think how the creature was killed...it may stick in your throat and produce a slightly horrible taste...probably only in your mind but there you go....as for a hot deal...not at that price....cold chicken...
1 Like #4
Xenu :)
Halal?
NO TY.

Go and join The Vegetarian Society.
#5
Is halal classed as 'humane' killing?
1 Like #6
No. The way they are killed breaches what is classed as humane. They get away with it under the "religious" blanket, just as they can sail through airport check in dressed like ninjas. No wonder a wanted man fled the country dressed as a woman with only slits for eyes. It's complete and utter pc bonkersness.


Halal animals are killed by slicing the throats then they are hung and bleed to death. They are not stunned, or put to sleep or anything.
banned 1 Like #7
education...priceless
2 Likes #8
Kosher is the same as Hahal and no-one complains about that.

Edited By: pet2000 on Sep 11, 2010 18:49: add
#9
BritishDragon
No. The way they are killed breaches what is classed as humane. They get away with it under the "religious" blanket, just as they can sail through airport check in dressed like ninjas. No wonder a wanted man fled the country dressed as a woman with only slits for eyes. It's complete and utter pc bonkersness.Halal animals are killed by slicing the throats then they are hung and bleed to death. They are not stunned, or put to sleep or anything.


It's just the same as kosher, but with different prayers said as its done. The story about the wanted man sounds very much like an urban legend but if you like to believe it go ahead.

A sharp knife would make it practically painless anyway, some more relaxed muslims even accept the stunning of the animal before killing it.

I prefer pork but it seems like a good price for 1.8kg of chicken.
#10
pet2000
Kosher is the same as Hahal and no-one complains about that.


Rant, rant, rant @ kosher, aaarrrggghhhh, bad, not good, ungood, not very nice, rant, rant, rant.

There you go :D
5 Likes #11
Halal animals are killed by slicing the throats then they are hung and bleed to death


...theres always one nob around...the animals throat is sliced...so it dies there and then...its hung afterwards to drain the blood out of the body...not to bleed it to death...cos its already dead....

:p
#12
i think you will find that halal is more humane than non halal methods. In halal slaughter the objective is not to cause the animal uneccessary suffering.
As for the stunning issue, if you saw this you wouldnt say it was humane/better. stunning is where the chickens are hung upside down and put on a conveyor belt and then their heads are dunked in electrified water, this doesnt always kill the animal before it is dunked in boiling water to de-feather. also on the conveyor belt the chickens often break wings legs etc

this is why stunned chickens are NOT, repeat NOT halal regardless of what some 'muslim committees' say

so dont believe the hype,
#13
I'm sorry I asked now. :3
banned#14
1duck
The story about the wanted man sounds very much like an urban legend but if you like to believe it go ahead.



You might want to google a few things before trying to be a smart ass

Mustaf Jama
Pc Sharon Beshenivsky
1 Like #15
notoriouschucky
[quote=]
...theres always one nob around...the animals throat is sliced...so it dies there and then...its hung afterwards to drain the blood out of the body...not to bleed it to death...cos its already dead....

:p


You have no clue about the vascular system whatsoever. So because the arteries are severed then the animal dies there and then?

WRONG!!!

The heart will still attempt to, and will succeed in pumping blood. This will continue until pressure drops sufficiently to cause cardiac arrest. The pressure will only drop as more and more blood is lost through the severed artery - Hence the term "bled to death". Even the brain will continue to function until it's own supply of oxygen (via the blood) runs out which will be some time after the incision. Pain - or at least 'awareness of a "problem" ' for want of a better term, will still be aparent to the animal as neuro-transmissions are uninterupted as the spinal column is left untouched. Kind hearted bunch eh?!


Geez, there really is some uneducated numpties in this country.

Edited By: BritishDragon on Sep 13, 2010 18:27: .
#16
BritishDragon
No. The way they are killed breaches what is classed as humane. They get away with it under the "religious" blanket, just as they can sail through airport check in dressed like ninjas. No wonder a wanted man fled the country dressed as a woman with only slits for eyes. It's complete and utter pc bonkersness.


Halal animals are killed by slicing the throats then they are hung and bleed to death. They are not stunned, or put to sleep or anything.


Educate urself mate, I prefer Halal meat over the usual meat because its healthier as well as more humane. I know this because ive studied microbiology combined with bio-chemistry and had to write a dissertation as well as a thesis on this
#17
Al18
BritishDragon
No. The way they are killed breaches what is classed as humane. They get away with it under the "religious" blanket, just as they can sail through airport check in dressed like ninjas. No wonder a wanted man fled the country dressed as a woman with only slits for eyes. It's complete and utter pc bonkersness.


Halal animals are killed by slicing the throats then they are hung and bleed to death. They are not stunned, or put to sleep or anything.


Educate urself mate, I prefer Halal meat over the usual meat because its healthier as well as more humane. I know this because ive studied microbiology combined with bio-chemistry and had to write a dissertation as well as a thesis on this


You may have studied it but it still doesn't make you or it right. I think it's wrong and so do thousands of other people, if not millions. I see nothing humane about slitting an animals throat while it is fully concious, prayers being said before hand do not make it any better for the animal. Would you rather be made unconcious before having your throat slit so you knew nothing about it or be fully concious and see your blood spewing everywhere and gasping for air etc?

I'm afraid this is a typical failure of religious thinking and it is time we faced up to the horrendous things religions lead people to do in the name of 'gods.' I think it should be banned, but that is my view.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_slaughter

This is how all animals should be killed. There is no reason to do it any other way, religion does not make it "okay".

Mechanical (captive bolt)
This method is approved for sheep, swine, goats, calves, cattle, horses, mules, and other equines. A captive bolt stunner is applied to the livestock so as to produce immediate unconsciousness in the animals before they are bled.

Mechanical (gunshot)
This method is approved for cattle, calves, sheep, swine, goats, horses, mules, and other equines. The gun is used to render the animal immediately unconscious (and presumably dead) before being bled.
1 Like #18
Al18

Educate urself mate,


I am educated mate, thanks. Unlike yourself I don't feel the need to justify my academic credentials.

I prefer Halal meat over the usual meat because its healthier


Prove it. And, define "healthier". This will be good...


as well as more humane


It's not.



Edited By: BritishDragon on Sep 14, 2010 07:40: .
#19
BritishDragon
Al18

Educate urself mate,


I am educated mate, thanks. Unlike yourself I don't feel the need to justify my academic credentials.

I prefer Halal meat over the usual meat because its healthier


Prove it. And, define "healthier". This will be good...


as well as more humane


It's not.




Well said! I too would like to know how it's healthier. It isn't but I would like to hear AI18's "educated" explanation so I can have a giggle.
1 Like #20
1manmission
i think you will find that halal is more humane than non halal methods. In halal slaughter the objective is not to cause the animal uneccessary suffering.
As for the stunning issue, if you saw this you wouldnt say it was humane/better. stunning is where the chickens are hung upside down and put on a conveyor belt and then their heads are dunked in electrified water, this doesnt always kill the animal before it is dunked in boiling water to de-feather. also on the conveyor belt the chickens often break wings legs etc,


This is one of the reasons why I dont eat the stunned meat ive always eaten all my life

BritishDragon
You have no clue about the vascular system whatsoever. So because the arteries are severed then the animal dies there and then?

WRONG!!!

The heart will still attempt to, and will succeed in pumping blood. This will continue until pressure drops sufficiently to cause cardiac arrest. The pressure will only drop as more and more blood is lost through the severed artery - Hence the term "bled to death". Even the brain will continue to function until it's own supply of oxygen (via the blood) runs out which will be some time after the incision. Pain - or at least 'awareness of a "problem" ' for want of a better term, will still be aparent to the animal as neuro-transmissions are uninterupted as the spinal column is left untouched. Kind hearted bunch eh?!


Geez, there really is some uneducated numpties in this country.


WRONG!!!

U clearly have no idea about neurones. No oxygen is being passed around the body as obviously the blood is being pumped out of the arteries, and what little is left is probably de oxygenated, therefore not being able to produce adenosinetriosphosphate as only glycolysis can occur (albeit not that efficiently) and the other 3/4 stages of respiration cant happen, therefore not being able to produce atp, which is needed for the neurones to affect the synapses. I can go into a lot more detail but there really is no point arguing on an internet discussion page. For me its nothing to do with religion, i have no faith but i believe halal/kosher what ever you want to call it is a lot more human than stunning.

Food for thought;

Experimental Details:

1. Several electrodes were surgically implanted at various points of the skull of all animals, touching the surface of thebrain.

2. The animals were allowed to recover for several weeks.

3. Some animals were slaughtered by making a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the neck cutting the jugular veins and carotid Arteries of both sides; as also the trachea and esophagusHalal Method.

4. Some animals were stunned using a captive bolt pistol humane slaughter by the western method.

5. During the experiment, EEG and ECG were recorded on all animals to record the condition of the brain and heart during the course of slaughter and stunning.



Results and Discussion:

I - Halal Method

1. The first three seconds from the time of Islamic slaughter as recorded on the EEG did not show any change from the graph before slaughter, thus indicating that the animal did not feel any pain during or immediately after the incision.

2. For the following 3 seconds, the EEG recorded a condition of deep sleep - unconsciousness. This is due to a large quantity of blood gushing out from the body.

3. After the above mentioned 6 seconds, the EEG recorded zero level, showing no feeling of pain at all.

4. As the brain message (EEG) dropped to zero level, the heart was still pounding and the body convulsing vigorously (a reflex action of the spinal cord) driving maximum blood from the body: resulting in hygienic meat for the consumer.

II - C.B.P. Stunning

1. The animals were apparently unconscious soon after stunning.

2. EEG showed severe pain immediately after stunning.

3. The hearts of the animal stunned by C.B.P. stopped beating earlier as compared to those of the animals slaughtered according to the Halal method resulting in the retention of more blood inthe meat. This in turn is unhygienic for the consumer.
#21
@Al18

1. The animals were apparently unconscious soon after stunning.

Apparently? It doesn't sound like a very good study when words like apparently are used. It's not very conclusive.

The study you refer isn't the one carried out in 1978 at the University of Veterinary Medicine in Germany is it?....1978, technology would have been pretty hit and miss back then compared to today's technology.

Are you Muslim by any chance?

In 2003, an independent advisory group - the Farm Animal Welfare Council (FAWC) - concluded that the way halal and kosher meat is produced causes severe suffering to animals and should be banned immediately. FAWC argued that cattle required up to two minutes to bleed to death when such means are employed. The Chairperson of FAWC at the time, Judy MacArthur Clark, added, "this is a major incision into the animal and to say that it doesn't suffer is quite ridiculous."
1 Like #22
Al18

WRONG!!!

U clearly have no idea about neurones. No oxygen is being passed around the body as obviously the blood is being pumped out of the arteries, and what little is left is probably de oxygenated, therefore not being able to produce adenosinetriosphosphate as only glycolysis can occur (albeit not that efficiently) and the other 3/4 stages of respiration cant happen, therefore not being able to produce atp, which is needed for the neurones to affect the synapses.


Any chance you could type correctly. Currently, using letters for words makes you look like a 12 year old on msn...

The process of breakdown of ATP will not immediately cease at the point of an incision to skin and subsequent severation of an arterial vessel. This is plainly obvious.

I can go into a lot more detail but there really is no point arguing on an internet discussion page.


So could I, as I believe you are have chosen the wrong person to argue the point with.


For me its nothing to do with religion


That's the crux of the matter though, an abbatoir would have zero chance of a licence in killing animals in this way without playing the religious card.

i have no faith


Neither have I. I believe religion and faith are completely nuts and responsible for 90% of all previous and corrent world conflict, but that's another matter for another time.




Experimental Details:

1. Several electrodes were surgically implanted at various points of the skull of all animals, touching the surface of thebrain.

2. The animals were allowed to recover for several weeks.

3. Some animals were slaughtered by making a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the neck cutting the jugular veins and carotid Arteries of both sides; as also the trachea and esophagusHalal Method.

4. Some animals were stunned using a captive bolt pistol humane slaughter by the western method.

5. During the experiment, EEG and ECG were recorded on all animals to record the condition of the brain and heart during the course of slaughter and stunning.


Results and Discussion:

I - Halal Method

1. The first three seconds from the time of Islamic slaughter as recorded on the EEG did not show any change from the graph before slaughter, thus indicating that the animal did not feel any pain during or immediately after the incision.

2. For the following 3 seconds, the EEG recorded a condition of deep sleep - unconsciousness. This is due to a large quantity of blood gushing out from the body.

3. After the above mentioned 6 seconds, the EEG recorded zero level, showing no feeling of pain at all.

4. As the brain message (EEG) dropped to zero level, the heart was still pounding and the body convulsing vigorously (a reflex action of the spinal cord) driving maximum blood from the body: resulting in hygienic meat for the consumer.

II - C.B.P. Stunning

1. The animals were apparently unconscious soon after stunning.

2. EEG showed severe pain immediately after stunning.

3. The hearts of the animal stunned by C.B.P. stopped beating earlier as compared to those of the animals slaughtered according to the Halal method resulting in the retention of more blood inthe meat. This in turn is unhygienic for the consumer.


I've been around more clinical studies than you could even begin to comprehend. I'm sure you know as well as I that one study in isolation means absolutely nothing. Study data is often conflicting and possibly subjective in interpretation. There are countless studies available which 'suggest' (I use this term in view of my general view of clinical study data, especially where there are conflictions) the exact opposite is true from what your study 'suggests'.



Edited By: BritishDragon on Sep 15, 2010 08:55: addition
1 Like #23
"resulting in the retention of more blood inthe meat. This in turn is unhygienic for the consumer."


Also, just wanted to pick up on this point as it is not only ambiguous, but in my opinion, very religiously slanted.

What constitutes, "unhealthy"? Are they suggesting there is a linear inverse relationship between the total blood volume in a given set weight of meat? How is this "unhealthyness" determined? What would be an acceptable level of "healthyness"? Who/what determines this level?

Do you see what I'm getting at here? All of these questions cannot be answered clinically, they can only be subjective opinions driven by religious fundamentals.
#24
BritishDragon
No. The way they are killed breaches what is classed as humane. They get away with it under the "religious" blanket, just as they can sail through airport check in dressed like ninjas. No wonder a wanted man fled the country dressed as a woman with only slits for eyes. It's complete and utter pc bonkersness.Halal animals are killed by slicing the throats then they are hung and bleed to death. They are not stunned, or put to sleep or anything.
BritishDragon
Al18
Educate urself mate,
I am educated mate, thanks. Unlike yourself I don't feel the need to justify my academic credentials.
I prefer Halal meat over the usual meat because its healthier
Prove it. And, define "healthier". This will be good...
as well as more humane
It's not.

Two little facts:

1. Animals that are stunned can wake up - not very pleasant when you've had a bolt misfired through its brain - So more humane

2. If a Halal anaimal is bleimished in any way it is rejected so any disease or mark means it doesn't get eaten - Modern methods would cut out the offending part leaving us to hope the okay parts are not affected - So safer and healthier.

I am a vegetarian.

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