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Sharp BDHP20H (Blu-ray player) 1080P £129.95 or £142.90 with 5 yr warranty instore

£129.95 @ Richer Sounds
i thought this was kinda cheap for a blu-ray player. Joining the elite band of other Blu-ray manufacturers, say hello to the highly desirable Sharp BDHP20H. With its 1080p video output and Dol…
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i thought this was kinda cheap for a blu-ray player.


Joining the elite band of other Blu-ray manufacturers, say hello to the highly desirable Sharp BDHP20H.

With its 1080p video output and Dolby TrueHD audio, the Sharp Blu-ray offers the ultimate in sound and vision. As with other High Definition Blu-ray players, another great feature with this player is that even ordinary DVDs benefit from near High Definition picture quality, thanks to the built-in 1080p upsampling.

Although the BDHP20H will work well with any TV, it's particularly impressive with Sharp's own Aquos designs. This is due to the Aquos Link which allows full integration of a Sharp Aquos TV and Blu-ray with just a single remote control.

Yet it's not just the sound, picture and convenience that will impress you, for the BDHP20 looks pretty sharp, too! The slimline casing is finished in gloss black with a smooth Perspex front. The result is a player that looks clean yet sophisticated, stylish yet discreet.

To experience a new level of home entertainment, move on up to the Sharp BDHP20H and prepare to be impressed!
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#1
it is a good price but before purchasing bare in mind that it has a few shortfalls, Mediocre DVD playback, No BD Java 1.1 support, No DTS hi-definition audio, No simultaneous HD output on HDMI and component, can’t use blank media storing DiVX or MPEG1, 2, and 4 video files, JPEG pictures, or music formats such as MP3s or WMAs. Also unwelcome are the CD sides of DualDiscs.

If none of that is a problem, then it's a good price for a quality player.
#2
Voted lukewarm - will wait until Blu-Ray standard is finalised before splashing out on a player!
#3
Xb0xGuru
Voted lukewarm - will wait until Blu-Ray standard is finalised before splashing out on a player!


it is finalised. It's called BD Live (or 2.0), and is available on a few players, most notably the PS3. :thumbsup:
#4
Xb0xGuru
Voted lukewarm - will wait until Blu-Ray standard is finalised before splashing out on a player!


What?? Not finalised? :thinking:
1 Like #5
FunkiestMonkey
it is finalised. It's called BD Live (or 2.0), and is available on a few players, most notably the PS3. :thumbsup:


Voted cold, its a pig in a poke tbh.

But he means a proper stand alone Blu-ray player with all the bells and whistles that a PS3 doesnt have. Not a trojan horse console that major selling point is that it can also play Blu-rays.

And before you start the fanboy nonsense dont bother, I am not interested.
#6
Voted cold, cannot see the point of wasting money and buying a player with so many drawbacks. Might as well spend the extra and get a PS3 if your weapon of choice is BluRay.

EvoStu.
#7
The PS3 provides basic BD playback for the majority user, of course the platform also has the massive advantage of regular firmware updates, but the largest portion of standalones are built for hardened home theatre enthusiasts and the PS3 most definitely is not.
#8
Ev0lution
Voted cold, its a pig in a poke tbh.

But he means a proper stand alone Blu-ray player with all the bells and whistles that a PS3 doesnt have. Not a trojan horse console that major selling point is that it can also play Blu-rays.

And before you start the fanboy nonsense dont bother, I am not interested.


For the purposes of OTHERS...... the PS3 is an awesome blu-ray player, I am by no means a PS3 fanboy.... I've mainly used xbox,, xbox 360.... but really wanted a blu-ray player recently.

The PS3 video quality it really quite impressive and EASILY rivals stand-alone players.... I know this because I also have a SAMSUNG BD-P1500 blu-ray player and the PS3 blatantly outshines it - the samsung is a great player but there is artefacts and noise on the picture.... the PS3 has none of these.

Here is my PS3 on my Projector:

http://www.screenshots.cc/photos/original/1896-1g3p4.jpg

Point being, its not uncommon to think that a game console or other "non-dedicated blu ray" device would be any good, but the PS3 really proves it is.... whether it was a trojan for blu-ray or whatever is irrelevant to to its video quality.
#9
EvoStu
Voted cold, cannot see the point of wasting money and buying a player with so many drawbacks. Might as well spend the extra and get a PS3 if your weapon of choice is BluRay.

EvoStu.


Stu... i thought you didn't like your PS3.... :whistling: and here you are telling people to buy one.

(CTO - 2898) :oops:
#10
save your money and get a HD DVD player... :p lol

/sarcasm
#11
Voted Hot as it's a step in the right direction as far as price.
#12
keeyop
it is a good price but before purchasing bare in mind that it has a few shortfalls, Mediocre DVD playback, No BD Java 1.1 support, No DTS hi-definition audio, No simultaneous HD output on HDMI and component, can’t use blank media storing DiVX or MPEG1, 2, and 4 video files, JPEG pictures, or music formats such as MP3s or WMAs. Also unwelcome are the CD sides of DualDiscs.

If none of that is a problem, then it's a good price for a quality player.


What is the state of play on Blu ray machines that will play Divx, mpeg (and the HD versions) and dare I mention region hacking !!
I thought that there were Philips and Daewoo player coming this year that were as 'user friendly' and hackable as their DVD players !
#13
Ev0lution
Voted cold, its a pig in a poke tbh.

But he means a proper stand alone Blu-ray player with all the bells and whistles that a PS3 doesnt have. Not a trojan horse console that major selling point is that it can also play Blu-rays.

And before you start the fanboy nonsense dont bother, I am not interested.


Hmmm. Informed, open-minded, and objective...clearly....

What a shining light of HUKD you are....:whistling:
#14
h0dgy
save your money and get a HD DVD player... :p lol

/sarcasm



lol
#15
matdey
Stu... i thought you didn't like your PS3.... :whistling: and here you are telling people to buy one.

(CTO - 2898) :oops:


No, as I said......if your weapon of choice is BluRay then get a PS3 as its the only upgradeable player out there.

The fact it sucks **** as a gamers machine is irrelevant. LOL!

EvoStu.
#16
what's the cheapest you can get a PS3 for if you just want to play blueray? how much are they second hand in CEX and cash convertors? £200 for a PS3 would be good, but they were £270 in the window when i went past this morning, but it might have had a couple of games (second hand)
#17
BD is going nowhere fast. Complete public indifference. £17.99 for an HD version of a ropey movie released in the mid-90s is barking.

The only potential escape is to bring the media prices down to £9.99 each and price DVD down further, which companies like Play already do.
#18
uni
what's the cheapest you can get a PS3 for if you just want to play blueray? how much are they second hand in CEX and cash convertors? £200 for a PS3 would be good, but they were £270 in the window when i went past this morning, but it might have had a couple of games (second hand)


You miss the point of what the PS3 is in terms of its capabilities. If you spend £179 on a BluRay player which is limited in what it can do and then is essentially outdated as it can't be updated then its £179 wasted. If you want BluRay you might as well spend the extra 90 quid or so and get yourself a PS3, that way you'll get yourself an upgradeable BluRay player and a media player for DivX etc albeit not a very good gaming machine.

EvoStu.
#19
Sulphur Man
BD is going nowhere fast. Complete public indifference. £17.99 for an HD version of a ropey movie released in the mid-90s is barking.

The only potential escape is to bring the media prices down to £9.99 each and price DVD down further, which companies like Play already do.


You couldn't be more wrong, here is a screenshot of "the rock - Blu-Ray" running from my home theatre setup using the PS3 - which has awesome quality by the way - I've compared it to a Samsung standalone blu-ray player, the PS3 quality is much better:

* The rock was made in 1995/1996 - over 10 years old

http://www.screenshots.cc/photos/original/1896-1g3p4.jpg
#20
As the main player in the house a PS3 would be perfect but as HD-TV's are appearing in peoples bedrooms and buying multiple PS3's wouldn't be practical, getting a cheap BD player is what is needed now.

It's the same as with DVD players when they came out. Not saying I know anything about this player but just that it's nice to see the beginnings of a price drop.
#21
Seems a decent enough machine if you wanted a player for a second room, i.e. bedroom or whatever. Personally I'll be waiting a bit longer till they get some more decent back catalogue films onto BD and the players finally start coming down in price. Perhaps players like this will help push the likes of Sony to finally drop their prices as well.
#22
For a limited profile 1.0 spec device this is a very low price compared to what has gone before.

But that probably just says more about the dire state of Blu-ray so far than anything else.

The PS3 - as a video playback device - is also (IMHO) extremely flawed.
It is an incredibly power-hungry little (ha!) unit and clearly using it only for video playback is an complete waste of a substantial part of its abilities.

Unfortunately it's not up to that much as a game console right now (they're always claiming the good stuff is coming at some undetermined future point) considering it's cost & game catalogue......and that the XBox 360 can do everything it can for so much less money and with so many more games in it's catalogue.

That's not fanboy-ism, that's simply the truth & the true state of the gaming market today
(or more specifically on Friday).

Obviously a substantial chunk of those PS3s sold so far have gone to that small niche of high def enthusiasts (which logically just further reduces it's place & impact on gaming) so far.

The problem there is that by exploiting the game console niche it has turned into a very double-edged tactic for Blu-ray.
It was a great idea for the ultra niche format war with HD DVD but it merely served to render Blu-ray invisible to the true a/v mass-market (and at current prices that can only continue for Blu-ray).

Driving further up the expensive PS3 game console niche just compounds the problem - and Blu-ray without the PS3 died and was buried long ago.
It is still ridiculously dependent on the game console.......and the clock is ticking, over 2yrs already and yet to make any serious impact.

.....and even the guys making & promoting it only give it 5 more years
(see the Samsung blokes recent comments).

Blu-ray has also been incredibly unlucky to go up against such an enormously successful product as DVD and to try to do it just as 'the west' goes into the coming severe recession (which, despite the news, has yet to really get going at all).

Trying to sell a new video playback system which only offers a marginal improvement on the sort of 32" - 50" HD TV sets the majority of the mass-market will own is a tall order at best, this is particularly so when that relies upon an expensive high spec large HD TV and a set of new expensive high spec audio kit to make the most of it.
That does not seem to be the best idea in the looming economic climate.

I'm speaking as a Blu-ray owner (I went dual format a while back).

......but those who want to pretend that everyone will be going 'Blu' at some point in the near future are only kidding themselves (and unwittingly or not trying to kid others).

DVD playback (with ever more improved players) is the future for quite a while yet along with a growing download sector (the news is full of such services every week) and HD TV services offering HD video on demand for those that want it (which is still the minority of TVs out there).

Blu-ray is the new laserdisc.
If you accept that then great, enjoy.
But kidding others that that is not the case and Blu-ray is set to be 'the next DVD' is now obviously just a shameful lie IMHO.

(.....which is what a certain CE corp continues to knowingly tell several million kids with their game console)
#23
Like people have said the PS3 is the best player at the moment because of it's upgradeability. When I first got it I don't think it even supported 1.1 profile but with firmware updates it can now support the current profile and future ones too. It can play copied Blu Rays\DVD's and supports DivX\MPEG-4 etc. so it is one of the best on the market.

That said prices will come down eventually on standalone players as Blu Ray is being adopted faster than DVD was and Sony will want to continue that surge. But best of all Blu Ray has won the war and so once Toshiba and other companies start producing players, the competition will increase and we are likely to see price wars! We are likely to see some action during Christmas!

As for Blu Ray film prices I have only once spent over £12 for a title. Blu Ray's are avaialble for cheap if you have the patience to wait and keep an eye out. I think regular's on this forum are no stranger to that. :thumbsup:
banned#24
this player is a good player i owned one for a while

this can also be made to play REGION A discs from america if you want a chepo american player
#25
[QUOTE=TurboGuru]You couldn't be more wrong, here is a screenshot of "the rock - Blu-Ray" running from my home theatre setup using the PS3 - which has awesome quality by the way - I've compared it to a Samsung standalone blu-ray player, the PS3 quality is much better:

* The rock was made in 1995/1996 - over 10 years old


Erm, my point is business-related, and you've responded with a technical argument. Lost in translation perhaps?

Tell me - how much is The Rock on DVD? Probably well under a fiver or even amongst the 3 for 10 aisles that block the doorways of every major high street DVD and CD retailer. The general public who don't own 2 BD players and a projector are perfectly satisfied with DVD and even more happy with their £60 up-scaling effort they bought at Xmas. And if they want HD, then there's always Sky HD which is probably better value, content-wise, then buying BD discs.

That's what BD is up against, however good (if pointless) your technical argument is. It's stuffed really.
#26
Sulphur Man;2988553
[QUOTE=TurboGuru]You couldn't be more wrong, here is a screenshot of "the rock - Blu-Ray" running from my home theatre setup using the PS3 - which has awesome quality by the way - I've compared it to a Samsung standalone blu-ray player, the PS3 quality is much better:

* The rock was made in 1995/1996 - over 10 years old


Erm, my point is business-related, and you've responded with a technical argument. Lost in translation perhaps?

Tell me - how much is The Rock on DVD? Probably well under a fiver or even amongst the 3 for 10 aisles that block the doorways of every major high street DVD and CD retailer. The general public who don't own 2 BD players and a projector are perfectly satisfied with DVD and even more happy with their £60 up-scaling effort they bought at Xmas. And if they want HD, then there's always Sky HD which is probably better value, content-wise, then buying BD discs.

That's what BD is up against, however good (if pointless) your technical argument is. It's stuffed really.


Fair deal - I agree the that the cost of each blu-ray is high......thats why I have a love film account and do not personally bother with buying every single blu-ray.... I think people seem to forget that DVDs were not exactly 4.99 when they first came out....

The purpose of the image was to demonstrate that an old ropey film that has been released on Blu-Ray can have great quality even though the consumer HD era didn't even exist back then. Hence, the film isn't just slapped from dvd onto blu-ray.
#27
Gixxerman001
For a limited profile 1.0 spec device this is a very low price compared to what has gone before.

But that probably just says more about the dire state of Blu-ray so far than anything else.

The PS3 - as a video playback device - is also (IMHO) extremely flawed.
It is an incredibly power-hungry little (ha!) unit and clearly using it only for video playback is an complete waste of a substantial part of its abilities.

Unfortunately it's not up to that much as a game console right now (they're always claiming the good stuff is coming at some undetermined future point) considering it's cost & game catalogue......and that the XBox 360 can do everything it can for so much less money and with so many more games in it's catalogue.

That's not fanboy-ism, that's simply the truth & the true state of the gaming market today
(or more specifically on Friday).

Obviously a substantial chunk of those PS3s sold so far have gone to that small niche of high def enthusiasts (which logically just further reduces it's place & impact on gaming) so far.

The problem there is that by exploiting the game console niche it has turned into a very double-edged tactic for Blu-ray.
It was a great idea for the ultra niche format war with HD DVD but it merely served to render Blu-ray invisible to the true a/v mass-market (and at current prices that can only continue for Blu-ray).

Driving further up the expensive PS3 game console niche just compounds the problem - and Blu-ray without the PS3 died and was buried long ago.
It is still ridiculously dependent on the game console.......and the clock is ticking, over 2yrs already and yet to make any serious impact.

.....and even the guys making & promoting it only give it 5 more years
(see the Samsung blokes recent comments).

Blu-ray has also been incredibly unlucky to go up against such an enormously successful product as DVD and to try to do it just as 'the west' goes into the coming severe recession (which, despite the news, has yet to really get going at all).

Trying to sell a new video playback system which only offers a marginal improvement on the sort of 32" - 50" HD TV sets the majority of the mass-market will own is a tall order at best, this is particularly so when that relies upon an expensive high spec large HD TV and a set of new expensive high spec audio kit to make the most of it.
That does not seem to be the best idea in the looming economic climate.

I'm speaking as a Blu-ray owner (I went dual format a while back).

......but those who want to pretend that everyone will be going 'Blu' at some point in the near future are only kidding themselves (and unwittingly or not trying to kid others).

DVD playback (with ever more improved players) is the future for quite a while yet along with a growing download sector (the news is full of such services every week) and HD TV services offering HD video on demand for those that want it (which is still the minority of TVs out there).

Blu-ray is the new laserdisc.
If you accept that then great, enjoy.
But kidding others that that is not the case and Blu-ray is set to be 'the next DVD' is now obviously just a shameful lie IMHO.

(.....which is what a certain CE corp continues to knowingly tell several million kids with their game console)


ps3 a niche product? you are living on another planet.. you do know that the ps3 has sold 15 million consoles (xbox 20 millions) and that it is selling faster than the ps2 over the same period of time. the ps3 is also selling faster than the xbox worldwide - althought things might be more even now since the xbox price cut.

furthermore, the ps3 has the highest proportion of highly rated games (compared to poor /averagegames) of any console. the ps3 is also the reference blu-ray machine for cnet and many major video websites i.e. they regard it is one of the best blu-ray players out there. http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10016208-1.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=Crave

and finally blu-ray has just captured 12% of an enormous dvd market in a very short period of time. blu-ray sales are growing exponentially fast. and are due to capture a quarter of dvd market next year.

niche.. yeah right.
#28
reaper200
Blu Ray is being adopted faster than DVD was


- That is simply not true.

http://www.mp3newswire.net/stories/8002/hd-DVD_outsells_blu-ray.html

anh_duong
ps3 a niche product?

- Yes, compared to the true a/v mass-market the game console sector is a small niche product......unless you want to try & claim that the PS3 has or is likely to have the sort of market penetration cheap DVD players have?
That's patently absurd.

anh_duong
finally blu-ray has just captured 12% of an enormous dvd market in a very short period of time. .


- Er, no it hasn't.

Using a very cherry-picked version of the stats even the Neilson numbers show Blu-ray performing poorly with weekly sales in the USA @ approx $8 million per week.

DVD has total sales of 750 million discs + annually.

Blu-ray has yet to turn actual verifed annual sales numbers of even just 2% of that massive total.

(which is why the BDA love to spin their BS & always post actual sales number-free percentage stats and have Neilson do silly 'best selling top 20' comparisons)
#29
Gixxerman001
- Not true.

http://www.mp3newswire.net/stories/8002/hd-DVD_outsells_blu-ray.html



- Yes, compared to the true a/v mass-market the game console sector is a small niche product......unless you want to try & claim that the PS3 has or is likely to have the sort of market penetration cheap DVD players have?
That's patently absurd.



- Er, no it hasn't.



Using a very cherry-picked version of the stats even the Neilson numbers show Blu-ray performing poorly with weekly sales in the USA @ approx $8 million per week.

DVD has total sales of 750 million discs + annually.

Blu-ray has yet to turn actual verifed annual sales numbers of even just 2% of that massive total.

(which is why the BDA love to spin their BS & always post actual sales number-free percentage stats and have Neilson do silly 'best selling top 20' comparisons)




that was last year. .. annual means last year to date.
#30
anh_duong
that was last year. .. annual means last year to date.


- LMAO

The numbers I gave are the ones we have.

DVD sells 750+ million per year
(and is still growing - it's not falling sales but the loss of margin 'the industry' is bitching about, few will buy new DVD @ release prices seeing as the mature market knows prices at least half within 3mths).

Blu-ray have not even managed sales of 14 million (just 2% of the DVD total) this year.

You've also studiously ignored the facts about the cherry-picked Nelson numbers.
#31
Gixxerman001
- Not true.

http://www.mp3newswire.net/stories/8002/hd-DVD_outsells_blu-ray.html



- Yes, compared to the true a/v mass-market the game console sector is a small niche product......unless you want to try & claim that the PS3 has or is likely to have the sort of market penetration cheap DVD players have?
That's patently absurd.



- Er, no it hasn't.



Using a very cherry-picked version of the stats even the Neilson numbers show Blu-ray performing poorly with weekly sales in the USA @ approx $8 million per week.

DVD has total sales of 750 million discs + annually.

Blu-ray has yet to turn actual verifed annual sales numbers of even just 2% of that massive total.

(which is why the BDA love to spin their BS & always post actual sales number-free percentage stats and have Neilson do silly 'best selling top 20' comparisons)




that was last year. .. annual means last year to date. did you know that for new releases the proportion of blu-ray sales are getting bigger and bigger and way in excess of 12% - how can this be cherry picking. more and more people are choosing to buy new dvd in blu-ray format, more and more people are choosing to rent blu-ray discs.. have you seen how big the blu-ray section of blockbuster has become lately??

you are just plain wrong.. if you really want home hd viewing blu-ray is really your only choice.. even digital distrubtion can't match with the flexibility and quality of blu-ray.

you are just plain wrong.. stick to your dvd like the guys who stuck with vhs
#32
what about super hi-vision ??

clicky click click...

lololololol
#33
anh_duong
did you know that for new releases the proportion of blu-ray sales are getting bigger and bigger and way in excess of 12% - how can this be cherry picking

- Because the numbers you get this % based stat from are based on the 'top selling 20 discs' in the DVD sales and the Blu-ray sales, it is also a sta based on the cash value of those sales
(which again skews the results to boost & flatter the BD performance as retail BDs sell at higher prices).

They are not based on total numbers sold - which would clearly be a true comparison.

Go check it out, it's true and you have been misled (which I would suggest was always the intention).

anh_duong
you are just plain wrong.. if you really want home hd viewing blu-ray is really your only choice.

- Clearly that is also false.

I have Sky HD with a nice DVR offering me VOD as well as scheduled HD TV services.

anh_duong
even digital distrubtion can't match with the flexibility and quality of blu-ray. have you seen how big the blu-ray section of blockbuster has become lately??


- I'm not denying they are doing the best to push it, of course they are, the margins are so much better.

That is a world away from the continual implication that Blu-ray is selling in large numbers.
It isn't.
#34
Voted hot purely for the ability to flash it with US firmware so you can play American discs:

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=783860

This player will be a film buff's dream once Criterion start putting Blu-Ray titles out:

http://www.criterion.com/asp/browse_bluray.asp
#35
Gixxerman001
- Because the numbers you get this % based stat from are based on the 'top selling 20 discs' in the DVD sales and the Blu-ray sales.

They are not based on total sales.

Go check it out, it's true and you have been misled.



- Clearly that is also false.

I have Sky HD with a nice DVR offering me VOD as well as scheduled HD TV services.



- I'm not denying they are doing the best to push it, of course they are, the margins are so much better.

That is a world away from the continual implication that Blu-ray is selling in large numbers.
It isn't.


the top twenty movies are where it is at.. people who are building their movie libraries will buy the blockbusters first.. the fact that blu-ray is doing incredibly well in the top twenty is telling you that blu-ray is no longer a niche product

you are comparing skyhd to blu-ray quality?? comparing skyhd to blu-ray is like comparing sky sd to dvd.. i think you are just confused
#36
You know every time there is a deal like this it brings the PS3 fanboys out like a pack of rabid dogs. Iam not disputing the merits of the PS3 but it is irrelevant here.

What part of STAND ALONE Blu-ray player dont you understand?

I certainly wouldnt want a PS3 sitting under my TV as my main Blu-ray player just in the same manner as I wouldnt have had a 360 or a PS2 as my main DVD player.

I want a stand alone product that performs the purpose solely what I bought it for. I dont care about the PS3 so why people are suggesting that people who want a Blu-ray player and ONLY a Blu-ray player should waste their money on a PS3 is madness.

And until Mr and Mrs Carlsberg can pick up a Blu-ray player down at the local Lidl or Aldi for £30 it will never get near true massmarket penetration.
#37
Ev0lution
You know every time there is a deal like this it brings the PS3 fanboys out like a pack of rabid dogs. Iam not disputing the merits of the PS3 but it is irrelevant here.

What part of STAND ALONE Blu-ray player dont you understand?

I certainly wouldnt want a PS3 sitting under my TV as my main Blu-ray player just in the same manner as I wouldnt have had a 360 or a PS2 as my main DVD player.

I want a stand alone product that performs the purpose solely what I bought it for. I dont care about the PS3 so why people are suggesting that people who want a Blu-ray player and ONLY a Blu-ray player should waste their money on a PS3 is madness.

And until Mr and Mrs Carlsberg can pick up a Blu-ray player down at the local Lidl or Aldi for £30 it will never get near true massmarket penetration.


people are plugging the ps3 because they say it is a better blu-ray player than the sharp - what is wrong with this?? it is one of the best blu-ray player for picture quality, it is one of the fastest to load a movie, it also plays divx and it is more future proof than alost any other player. so what is wrong with people suggesting a better alternative?? what is your problem with people suggesting an alternative blu-ray player which they think is better??

this deal is a good deal. i am not plugging the ps3 over this deal. i just think that there are a lot of people who hate blu-ray for no real rational reason.
#38
this deal is a good deal. i am not plugging the ps3 over this deal. i just think that there are a lot of people who hate blu-ray for no real rational reason.

xbots
#39
Those people going on about HD material over the net are the ones that need to rethink their position. Lets just set aside the problem of accessibility with buying and then streaming\downloading HD over the net will have and focus on the infrastructure. The infrastructure isn’t there in the UK (and much of America). The average internet speed in the UK is 2MB which nowhere near enough to stream HD material or download a film within a reasonable amount of time.

But that’s not the worst part. What is that the internet providers don’t like people who download! I have had my connection slowed down to a snail’s pace by 2 different providers because I downloaded 100GB in a month even though I signed up for the supposedly ‘Unlimited‘ packages! That’s only about 3 HD movies worth! Do a Google search and you’ll see this is common practice amongst all companies. How are we supposed to watch movies over the net whenever we want if bandwidth is limited by providers if we download too much? It will be a long time before the kind of infrastructure needed for the things your talking about will take hold and I believe it will be enough time for Blu Ray to take a hold of it‘s own. And remember DVD definitely didn’t fly off the shelves when it was released! It took years for it to get where it is now and defeat VHS.

Then there’s the accessibility that I mentioned. It is likely that if film providers do start selling stuff over the internet then it will be through a program similar to Steam (used for PC games) where if you want to watch a film you have to launch a program which then connects to the internet and then verifies that you own the material your about to watch etc.

What if my internet goes down or the system they come up with malfunctions just when I‘m in the mood for a movie? What if I want to borrow my film to friends or a number of other things? You see downloads\streaming has a lot of negatives when compared to having a physical copy which you can do whatever you want with. The only benefit I can see with an online system is that movies will likely be slighter cheaper because there won’t be a case\disc provided but even then their not likely to be much cheaper as the companies will want to milk us for all we’re worth. But the thing I hate most is that I don’t want to have to rely on my internet to watch movies that I paid for!

Again I think online movie watching will be the major way to watch movies in the future and Blu Ray\DVD will be like Vinyl are today but it will take MANY years before the infrastructure is in place to do that and provide that service on national\worldwide scale. Furthermore it will take more time after that is achieved for that sort of thing to be adopted by consumers as people are slow to change their ways and like to stick with what they know. But there is always another option. That the majority of people will say no to an Online service because they want the thing they buy to be in their possession and something they can access whenever and wherever they want.
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Ev0lution
You know every time there is a deal like this it brings the PS3 fanboys out like a pack of rabid dogs. Iam not disputing the merits of the PS3 but it is irrelevant here.

What part of STAND ALONE Blu-ray player dont you understand?

I certainly wouldnt want a PS3 sitting under my TV as my main Blu-ray player just in the same manner as I wouldnt have had a 360 or a PS2 as my main DVD player.

I want a stand alone product that performs the purpose solely what I bought it for. I dont care about the PS3 so why people are suggesting that people who want a Blu-ray player and ONLY a Blu-ray player should waste their money on a PS3 is madness.

And until Mr and Mrs Carlsberg can pick up a Blu-ray player down at the local Lidl or Aldi for £30 it will never get near true massmarket penetration.


Actually you'll find that some people (including me as some on here will testify from other forums) I'm not a fanboy of the PS3 in fact I hate the bloody thing as a gaming machine but cannot look past the fact that as a media centre and BluRay player it is very good.

My argument is that whats the difference between having a PS3 and a standalone player? They both do the same thing, in fact a PS3 boots up faster than most of the standalone players and has the benefit of complete upgrade ability for future revisions of the so called bluRay standards.

The PS3 is simply light years ahead of the standalone players as it can play pretty much everything and thats why it wins above ALL of the standalone players on the market.

Also why would you not have a PS3 as your main player? all its missing is the pretty front with the nice flashing lights and display? Is that what you're looking for because thats just style over substance.

Come on sell me it........what in your opinion is the benefit of a standalone BluRay player like this one over the PS3?

I wait with baited breath. :whistling:

EvoStu.

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