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Sim Free Microsoft Lumia 650, Argos, £99.95

£99.95 @ Argos
This retailer is reducing price for Microsoft Lumia phone series. Cheapest I've seen and Amazon is also selling at this price. Available in black or white. Phone details can be found here: http://m…
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This retailer is reducing price for Microsoft Lumia phone series. Cheapest I've seen and Amazon is also selling at this price. Available in black or white.

Phone details can be found here: http://m.gsmarena.com/microsoft_lumia_650-7859.php
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5 Likes #1
Unfortunately very few people even consider Windows phone. I use and prefer these to Android and Apple which I have tried. A phone for individuals and great value.
5 Likes #2
Leaving aside the fact that windows app store is rubbish and Microsoft has dropped production of lumia phones,

even the hardware on this is not very good considering the spec on similarly priced android smartphones such as:
Motorola G4
Vodafone Smart Ultra 6
Wileyfox Swift etc...

if this were a lumia 950 for £100, only then would I even consider it as an option.

very cold

Edited By: htslough on Oct 22, 2016 20:11: Grammar
8 Likes #3
​First of all...app store isn't so bad. it's easy to judge but you should try it first. from all the apps i was using on my xperia and galaxy phones i was missing only one app when i got the windows phone smartphone.
But ...different people, different needs.

Second and the most important of all..dont compare specs of windows phones and android phone. windows is optimised in a much better way and its not as hardware heavy like android.
g4 has better spec than lumia 650 but g4 is still slower than lumia
#4
slawekgem
​First of all...app store isn't so bad. it's easy to judge but you should try it first. from all the apps i was using on my xperia and galaxy phones i was missing only one app when i got the windows phone smartphone.
But ...different people, different needs.

Second and the most important of all..dont compare specs of windows phones and android phone. windows is optimised in a much better way and its not as hardware heavy like android.
g4 has better spec than lumia 650 but g4 is still slower than lumia



​App store is very poor. Even the apps that are there are very basic. You can't compare them to their Android/iOS equivalents.
2 Likes #5
It's lightweight. Takes great photographs. It's not bad at all.
2 Likes #6
You can get one from O2 in Like New condition for £70 with no top up required.
You have to choose the PAYG tariff that I presume will be linked to the included SIM but not actually top-up which confuses many. Not sure how easy it is to unlock though!

https://www.o2.co.uk/shop/phones/microsoft/lumia-650-like-new/#contractType=payasyougo
#7
richb3012
slawekgem
​First of all...app store isn't so bad. it's easy to judge but you should try it first. from all the apps i was using on my xperia and galaxy phones i was missing only one app when i got the windows phone smartphone.
But ...different people, different needs.

Second and the most important of all..dont compare specs of windows phones and android phone. windows is optimised in a much better way and its not as hardware heavy like android.
g4 has better spec than lumia 650 but g4 is still slower than lumia



​App store is very poor. Even the apps that are there are very basic. You can't compare them to their Android/iOS equivalents.


​100% agree. Iirc, even Amazon has now stopped their app for windows (some do correct me if I'm wrong though) and fewer and fewer of the apps I used on Windows were being updated.
#8
I have a Windows phone, and not really a great app user. So bit disappointing that the apps I would use are not available on Windows. Have to use the wife's Android phone for online banking and travel apps.
3 Likes #9
Jonlogical
Unfortunately very few people even consider Windows phone. I use and prefer these to Android and Apple which I have tried. A phone for individuals and great value.

+1 - I've running now with a Lumia 820 and a Lumia 540 Dual SIM Handsets - solid as a rock, with the 820 getting a day & half worth of runtime (hacked it to run Windows 10 Mobile OS via an online guide) and two & a half days out of the 540.
1 Like #10
The negative comments about the device, OS and the app store are bang on the money IMO. I have this as my new device; it works like a dream for Outlook and Office etc. but as soon as you stray even slightly beyond this, it descends into utter failure. The range as well of quality of apps is shocking (developers simply don't have a business case in maintaining their windows platform versions) and will be a deal breaker for most. The user experience is poor by current standards and the OS feels years behind the Android marker. All of those phones by htslough are a wiser purchase by a country mile. Particularly the moto g4
3 Likes #11
Apps are crap, BUT, this is a great phone. I love mine, highly recommended.
4 Likes #12
I never cared for the app-gap...but then we lost the eBay app and that's what has made me look twice. I say I'm not a big app user but I still have quite a few installed and the ones I do use are fine - WhatsApp, Flipboard, Spotify... they are my most frequently used 3rd party apps, with Outlook, OneNote, Camera and Edge being used just as much. To me, the base apps, OS and the little touches are what makes Windows my favourite. Things like Glance, double-tap to wake, camera button (and the camera app itself), wireless charging, microsd, and live tiles are things that I miss when I use iPhone (which is my second choice if I am to leave Windows). Having to press the power switch or unlock the phone to do basic things like tell the time or take a photo is "normal" to most people but seems a bit ridiculous to long term Windows users. Also looking at the home screen and seeing a bunch of dead icons, having to click each one of them to see what's going on in them just seems so behind the times for a device that's meant to be at the forefront of innovation (ha ha yeah right). It seems to almost be a gutsy move to stick with what makes sense despite the whole world telling you to follow the crowd. Never really been a fan of Android, although in description it would be closer to Windows than iOS.

...that all being said, that eBay app being pulled is kind of a deal breaker to a regular seller. More will probably follow it out the door. I'm waiting to see their next move before deciding; they are trying to be like Apple keeping everything hush hush but are just losing customers as a result.
3 Likes #13
richb3012
slawekgem
​First of all...app store isn't so bad. it's easy to judge but you should try it first. from all the apps i was using on my xperia and galaxy phones i was missing only one app when i got the windows phone smartphone.
But ...different people, different needs.
Second and the most important of all..dont compare specs of windows phones and android phone. windows is optimised in a much better way and its not as hardware heavy like android.
g4 has better spec than lumia 650 but g4 is still slower than lumia
​App store is very poor. Even the apps that are there are very basic. You can't compare them to their Android/iOS equivalents.

Actually...

WhatsApp for Windows Mobile is ahead of both Android and iOS in terms of development
Third party Windows Mobile YouTube apps are VASTLY better than the first party ones on Android/iOS (Offline video downloads/background playback to name just two functions).
& if you're a Tinder aficionado - then you get all of the premium things from iOS/Android for free on W10M (6Tin). Geolocation changing, back swipe etc etc.
Also, if you have a custom email address hosted by Microsoft, then good luck trying to get the contacts to 2 way sync on Android. Google just make life so difficult for people who use MS services (and have been doing for years)

W10M will never win the war - but depending on your needs, it is better than Android (I say that as a current Android user).

The only reason I am on Android is because I'm off travelling and find offline Google maps to be really useful in big cities (even if the download area is v.small). Also find the proper Strava app to be v.good - oh, and BBC iPlayer downloads (which I love!)

But the Android user experience itself is horribly impersonal. It's just an overpowered device with a load of icons and no real style. Shame that Microsoft never backed their mobile OS horse.

Edited By: wenttoabetterplace on Oct 25, 2016 12:30
#14
Agharta
You can get one from O2 in Like New condition for £70 with no top up required.
You have to choose the PAYG tariff that I presume will be linked to the included SIM but not actually top-up which confuses many. Not sure how easy it is to unlock though!

https://www.o2.co.uk/shop/phones/microsoft/lumia-650-like-new/#contractType=payasyougo

If you have a pay monthly O2 account (or access to one), then it's v.v.easy and free to unlock.

https://www.o2.co.uk/apps/help/help?qid=1&q1=2&route=unlocking&case=Handset%20Unlocking%20Form
#15
Prices should plummet for all Lumia as MS yesterday announced they are discontinuing them. I have running Lumia 930 for months now and overall very happy, although some apps are poo or absent it does what I want, WAZE is great and super VFM. Recommend getting L930 with that all-metal body or the more recent but apparently not as good L950/XL as prices reduce hhhfhuhrh.
1 Like #16
htslough
Leaving aside the fact that windows app store is rubbish and Microsoft has dropped production of lumia phones,
even the hardware on this is not very good considering the spec on similarly priced android smartphones such as:
Motorola G4
Vodafone Smart Ultra 6
Wileyfox Swift etc...
if this were a lumia 950 for £100, only then would I even consider it as an option.
very cold
Exactly. The hardware is highly competitive, but the software and especially the store is not. Yes, Windows 10 mobile is simple, bold, and useful, but it lacks some of the details of Android, and it certainly lacks a lot of apps, even popular ones.

Microsoft had a great opportunity with the Lumia series, but as usually, they have shot themselves in the foot one time too many.
#17
htslough
Leaving aside the fact that windows app store is rubbish and Microsoft has dropped production of lumia phones,

even the hardware on this is not very good considering the spec on similarly priced android smartphones such as:
Motorola G4
Vodafone Smart Ultra 6
Wileyfox Swift etc...

if this were a lumia 950 for £100, only then would I even consider it as an option.

very cold


​I got mine for £80 and even at that price it went straight back. I get the comments about 'Windows is a superior OS' but at the end of the day if its not supported, then it's days are numbered.
Bit like saying Betamax was a better technology than VHS!
1 Like #18
A shame that companies like eBay have decided to stop support for the app for Windows.....a mobile screen is simply not great for viewing these mobile sites................i fear Windows OS for phones is taking it's last dying breaths
#19
windows is dead long live android, support being withdrawn, like iphone 4
#20
kroome
windows is dead long live android, support being withdrawn, like iphone 4

Longing for a one horse race isn't of any benefit to the consumer. Competition is good - it's shy smartphone are as good as they are right now.

Just what the iPhone 4 has to do with anything though is beyond me! That phone is 5+ years old!
#21
wenttoabetterplace
kroome
windows is dead long live android, support being withdrawn, like iphone 4
Longing for a one horse race isn't of any benefit to the consumer. Competition is good

But if windows can't compete, what hope is there for any other? I use use ebay and banking apps, so no Windows apps for that.
#22
htslough
Leaving aside the fact that windows app store is rubbish and Microsoft has dropped production of lumia phones,
even the hardware on this is not very good considering the spec on similarly priced android smartphones such as:
Motorola G4
Vodafone Smart Ultra 6
Wileyfox Swift etc...
if this were a lumia 950 for £100, only then would I even consider it as an option.
very cold


And if a flagship android or iphone was £100 maybe I'd consider one of them....

A bit of an odd comment expecting a flagship device for pocket money - I've had 4 windows phones from new and spent less in total than the cost of a single iphone / galaxy S for phones that have historically outperformed both of their rivals for office / internet type tasks for a fraction of the cost.

I accept however that people will fail to cope if their device is lacking snapchat or whatever....
1 Like #23
wenttoabetterplace
richb3012
slawekgem
​First of all...app store isn't so bad. it's easy to judge but you should try it first. from all the apps i was using on my xperia and galaxy phones i was missing only one app when i got the windows phone smartphone.
But ...different people, different needs.
Second and the most important of all..dont compare specs of windows phones and android phone. windows is optimised in a much better way and its not as hardware heavy like android.
g4 has better spec than lumia 650 but g4 is still slower than lumia
​App store is very poor. Even the apps that are there are very basic. You can't compare them to their Android/iOS equivalents.
Actually...

WhatsApp for Windows Mobile is ahead of both Android and iOS in terms of development
Third party Windows Mobile YouTube apps are VASTLY better than the first party ones on Android/iOS (Offline video downloads/background playback to name just two functions).
& if you're a Tinder aficionado - then you get all of the premium things from iOS/Android for free on W10M (6Tin). Geolocation changing, back swipe etc etc.
Also, if you have a custom email address hosted by Microsoft, then good luck trying to get the contacts to 2 way sync on Android. Google just make life so difficult for people who use MS services (and have been doing for years)

W10M will never win the war - but depending on your needs, it is better than Android (I say that as a current Android user).

The only reason I am on Android is because I'm off travelling and find offline Google maps to be really useful in big cities (even if the download area is v.small). Also find the proper Strava app to be v.good - oh, and BBC iPlayer downloads (which I love!)

But the Android user experience itself is horribly impersonal. It's just an overpowered device with a load of icons and no real style. Shame that Microsoft never backed their mobile OS horse.

You do know that windows phone has had offline full maps entire continents since 2010? originally here maps, and now the windows maps app....
#24
bradford_dr
wenttoabetterplace
richb3012
slawekgem
​First of all...app store isn't so bad. it's easy to judge but you should try it first. from all the apps i was using on my xperia and galaxy phones i was missing only one app when i got the windows phone smartphone.
But ...different people, different needs.
Second and the most important of all..dont compare specs of windows phones and android phone. windows is optimised in a much better way and its not as hardware heavy like android.
g4 has better spec than lumia 650 but g4 is still slower than lumia
​App store is very poor. Even the apps that are there are very basic. You can't compare them to their Android/iOS equivalents.
Actually...
WhatsApp for Windows Mobile is ahead of both Android and iOS in terms of development
Third party Windows Mobile YouTube apps are VASTLY better than the first party ones on Android/iOS (Offline video downloads/background playback to name just two functions).
& if you're a Tinder aficionado - then you get all of the premium things from iOS/Android for free on W10M (6Tin). Geolocation changing, back swipe etc etc.
Also, if you have a custom email address hosted by Microsoft, then good luck trying to get the contacts to 2 way sync on Android. Google just make life so difficult for people who use MS services (and have been doing for years)
W10M will never win the war - but depending on your needs, it is better than Android (I say that as a current Android user).
The only reason I am on Android is because I'm off travelling and find offline Google maps to be really useful in big cities (even if the download area is v.small). Also find the proper Strava app to be v.good - oh, and BBC iPlayer downloads (which I love!)
But the Android user experience itself is horribly impersonal. It's just an overpowered device with a load of icons and no real style. Shame that Microsoft never backed their mobile OS horse.
You do know that windows phone has had offline full maps entire continents since 2010? originally here maps, and now the windows maps app....

I probably know more about Windows Phone than most. I've owned most of them at one point or another...

And Here/MS Maps have always been ropey. The big selling point was being offline. But Google Maps are significantly better. & the offline map feature works v.well.
#25
This is a decent price, but I wouldn't recommend it at all as WP is on the verge of extinction. The decline in the last 2 years has been staggering. MS has only released 1 new device this year (as opposed to a full range of devices in previous years).

I used Windows Phone for over 5 years before buying an Android phone earlier this year, and I was shocked at the difference in both app selection and quality.

Some apps on WP are a long way behind their Android equivalents as they're just not updated regularly enough. Facebook, Instagram, Wikipedia, Twitter, HotUKDeals, Spotify are the examples that come to mind.

As for those that say WP isn't missing many apps... It really is, especially now some major online retailers have removed their WP apps. These are the apps I personally use regularly that just don't exist on WP: Amazon, Ebay, Quidco, YouTube, HSBC, Scottish Power, Amazon Music, Gumtree, Costa, Roku, Snapchat.

It had a good run, and lots of potential that it never quite reached, but WP is over.

Edited By: kristmace on Oct 30, 2016 12:48: clarity
#26
whats the difference between this and 550? better camera and thats it, innit? not worth extra £55 imo
#27
the phone it self specs ways and reliability, not only to mention the accessibility, and saying how most stuff has migrated to a Microsoft account now days. This phone is prob one of the best phones for this price on the market. If you know technology you will understand and this is coming from someone that uses a android phone. WIndows app store has improved and when was the last time you had checked the store since windows 10 update.
#28
Quids
richb3012
slawekgem
​First of all...app store isn't so bad. it's easy to judge but you should try it first. from all the apps i was using on my xperia and galaxy phones i was missing only one app when i got the windows phone smartphone.
But ...different people, different needs.
Second and the most important of all..dont compare specs of windows phones and android phone. windows is optimised in a much better way and its not as hardware heavy like android.
g4 has better spec than lumia 650 but g4 is still slower than lumia
​App store is very poor. Even the apps that are there are very basic. You can't compare them to their Android/iOS equivalents.
​100% agree. Iirc, even Amazon has now stopped their app for windows (some do correct me if I'm wrong though) and fewer and fewer of the apps I used on Windows were being updated.

they are doing windows 10 app now

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