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Sony a5000L Digital Camera with SEL-1650 Zoom Lens - White or Black - £259.00 @ Amazon

£259.00 @ Amazon
White or Black Refined images with BIONZ X processor, share photos with NFC andWi-Fi, 20.1MP APS-C sensor and SEL-1650 lens 20.1MP Exmor APS HD CMOS sensor 180° tiltable LCD display screen Easy …
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Refined images with BIONZ X processor, share photos with NFC andWi-Fi, 20.1MP APS-C sensor and SEL-1650 lens
20.1MP Exmor APS HD CMOS sensor
180° tiltable LCD display screen
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#1
Such a good deal for a great camera. For somebody wondering if they should get this, if you don't need a viewfinder you won't find a better camera with better picture quality for this budget!
#2
I've a new 5t which this seems to be the successor and if its anything like that it is well worth the money (Coming from point and shoot cameras).
#3
Thanks sparklehedgehog and naski666. I want to upgrade from my 5yr old Panasonic FZ38. I'm not very knowledgeable with cameras, but what is this like compared to other makes/models of a similar price range?

Edited By: frogbog on Dec 07, 2014 13:49
1 Like #4
After seeing the ridiculous price of lens, I've been totally put off! I want a lens that can create good bokeh effects. A bit like this:-

https://cdn.photographylife.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Ozzy-Portrait.jpg

But I don't want to pay hundreds of pounds for it! oO
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frogbog
After seeing the ridiculous price of lens, I've been totally put off! I want a lens that can create good bokeh effects. A bit like this:-

https://cdn.photographylife.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Ozzy-Portrait.jpg

But I don't want to pay hundreds of pounds for it! oO

That photo was taken with a Nikon 35mm lens possibly the NIKKOR 35 mm f/1.8G about £139 which could be combined with a D3200 (£279 John Lewis) to give similar background defocus effects, though it's not stabilized.

For the Sony mirrorless there's the SEL50F18 E 50mm f/1.8 OSS works out at £170 with the cashback offer at the moment, I have this and is great for head and shoulder portraits with great bokeh + super sharp+ stabilized and good value IMHO.
Then there's the Sony 35mm F1.8 OSS E another great performer with stabilization but it's an eye watering £359 at the moment but a bit more versatile than the 50mm. Unfortunately getting hooked on photography can work out a bit pricey I'm afraid, though quality equipment holds its value well if you decide to offload it.
#6
Thanks very much for that informative post toaster. I'm really confused because I'm looking for a camera & lens that doesn't cost more than £300 and gives me good quality bokeh and dof...is that even possible with my price range?
#7
that kid is miles away from anything, bokeh is pretty easy there

isn't 5T better than this? this is more an upgrade to 3n etc

hard to recommend when the a5100 was 299 multiple times last weekend

could always go 2nd hand - expect many sony owners (like me) will have upgraded and looking to sell!
#8
frogbog
Thanks very much for that informative post toaster. I'm really confused because I'm looking for a camera & lens that doesn't cost more than £300 and gives me good quality bokeh and dof...is that even possible with my price range?

The easiest way of doing this is probably going to be a cheap Canon body and the 50mm f/1.8 "nifty fifty" prime lens, which has a nice wide aperture for shallow DoF and is a steal for under £80. You can probably pick up a 1100D or 1200D body for cheap enough to fit your budget with the nifty, or you could shop second hand/refurb/grey import and either get a beefier body (600-700D or 100D) or save even more money on the lower end bodies and pocket the cash or get a kit lens to go with it. Canon are also offering £20 cashback on 1200D bodies.

There are probably mirrorless options too, but I'm not really familiar with the market. I don't think any other SLR ecosystem has a wide aperture prime that's anywhere near as cheap as Canon's.

Edited By: ElGofre on Dec 07, 2014 21:39
#9
brilly
that kid is miles away from anything, bokeh is pretty easy there

isn't 5T better than this? this is more an upgrade to 3n etc

hard to recommend when the a5100 was 299 multiple times last weekend

could always go 2nd hand - expect many sony owners (like me) will have upgraded and looking to sell!

Your right, though the price starts creeping up a lot and when you include a good lens, it gets really expensive, considering that I'll be using it now and again.


ElGofre
frogbog
Thanks very much for that informative post toaster. I'm really confused because I'm looking for a camera & lens that doesn't cost more than £300 and gives me good quality bokeh and dof...is that even possible with my price range?

The easiest way of doing this is probably going to be a cheap Canon body and the 50mm f/1.8 "nifty fifty" prime lens, which has a nice wide aperture for shallow DoF and is a steal for under £80. You can probably pick up a 1100D or 1200D body for cheap enough to fit your budget with the nifty, or you could shop second hand/refurb/grey import and either get a beefier body (600-700D or 100D) or save even more money on the lower end bodies and pocket the cash or get a kit lens to go with it. Canon are also offering £20 cashback on 1200D bodies.

There are probably mirrorless options too, but I'm not really familiar with the market. I don't think any other SLR ecosystem has a wide aperture prime that's anywhere near as cheap as Canon's.

Many thanks for recommendations. Apologies, but what is a nifty fifty lens? Which company makes them? Would these fit any make/model DSLR?? Can you post any examples of the type of photos these can produce?
#10
frogbog
brilly
that kid is miles away from anything, bokeh is pretty easy there

isn't 5T better than this? this is more an upgrade to 3n etc

hard to recommend when the a5100 was 299 multiple times last weekend

could always go 2nd hand - expect many sony owners (like me) will have upgraded and looking to sell!

Your right, though the price starts creeping up a lot and when you include a good lens, it gets really expensive, considering that I'll be using it now and again.


ElGofre
frogbog
Thanks very much for that informative post toaster. I'm really confused because I'm looking for a camera & lens that doesn't cost more than £300 and gives me good quality bokeh and dof...is that even possible with my price range?

The easiest way of doing this is probably going to be a cheap Canon body and the 50mm f/1.8 "nifty fifty" prime lens, which has a nice wide aperture for shallow DoF and is a steal for under £80. You can probably pick up a 1100D or 1200D body for cheap enough to fit your budget with the nifty, or you could shop second hand/refurb/grey import and either get a beefier body (600-700D or 100D) or save even more money on the lower end bodies and pocket the cash or get a kit lens to go with it. Canon are also offering £20 cashback on 1200D bodies.

There are probably mirrorless options too, but I'm not really familiar with the market. I don't think any other SLR ecosystem has a wide aperture prime that's anywhere near as cheap as Canon's.

Many thanks for recommendations. Apologies, but what is a nifty fifty lens? Which company makes them? Would these fit any make/model DSLR?? Can you post any examples of the type of photos these can produce?

Nifty fifty is the nickname for the Canon 50mm f/1.8 lens, given because it's a surprisingly high quality lens for such a cheap price. Unsurprisingly, Canon only make it for their own cameras, which it will work with the entire lineup of their DSLRs.

Here's a couple of shots I took when I first got started with photography using the 50mm 1.8 and 1100D.

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3711/13205291513_40497f4f87.jpg
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2758/13205416614_39c23ea05c.jpg
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2937/14028392432_f4e02dbae1.jpg



Edited By: ElGofre on Dec 07, 2014 22:31
#11
WOW! They look gorgeous! Thank you so much for that.

I'm not sure if I'm correct, but it seems that there are quite a few different variations of nifty fifty lens I've found, so could you please give me the exact make/model of lens you are talking about? Maybe a link to one being sold?

Also if the 50mm f/1.8 "nifty fifty" prime lens costs around £80, just out of interest what is the next level up and how much does it roughly cost?

I can pick up a canon 40d for about £140 second-hand or can you recommend anything better? Maybe with a bit more modern features such as wifi or faster response?

Lastly do I have to manually control the lens are can they be automatically controlled too like in a super-zoom camera?
#12
frogbog
WOW! They look gorgeous! Thank you so much for that.

I'm not sure if I'm correct, but it seems that there are quite a few different variations of nifty fifty lens I've found, so could you please give me the exact make/model of lens you are talking about? Maybe a link to one being sold?

Also if the 50mm f/1.8 "nifty fifty" prime lens costs around £80, just out of interest what is the next level up and how much does it roughly cost?

I can pick up a canon 40d for about £140 second-hand or can you recommend anything better? Maybe with a bit more modern features such as wifi or faster response?

Lastly do I have to manually control the lens are can they be automatically controlled too like in a super-zoom camera?

No worries :)

This is the current lens model.

Different lenses could be considered step ups depending on what you want a stup up in. The closest thing to a direct step up would be a 50mm f/1.4 lens from Canon or Sigma, which would run you £250-£350 depending on model. Then there's lenses in different focal lengths for different perspectives- shorter focal lengths like 30mm, 35mm and 40mm offer a wider angle view which a lot of people like for general purpose with a bit more scope for fitting stuff in the frame than a 50mm would, or longer lenses like the Canon 85mm 1.8 offer more zoom and is a popular lens for portrait photographers. These lenses will vary wildly in cost, the cheapest being the £120-£150 Canon 40mm 2.8, but the depth of field won't be able to get quite as shallow because of the smaller maximum aperture. All of these lenses will be sharper to some degree and have better build quality than the all plastic 50mm 1.8, and offer quicker and quieter autofocus (to answer your last question, the vast majority of modern lenses are built to focus automatically).

The 40D is an older, once higher-end camera from 2007. Its specs sit similar to more recent entry level cameras from the last couple of years that can be picked up second hand/refurb for not much more money like the 1100D, and these newer cameras will offer better ISO performance (how well the camera performs in low light before pictures become grainy). Plus the 40D doesn't take SD cards, only CF ones if I remember correctly. It does have far faster continuous shooting than any entry level camera will at 6.5fps. That aside though, I'd take a newer cheaper camera over the 40D personally
#13
Thank you very much for the explanation. I really appreciate your help.

An honest answer is that I've become so used to having a super zoom camera, I find changing lens a bit annoying. Lets say I'm on holiday with my family and thete is a sudden moment where I need to take a photo. With a super zoom, I simply have to switch it on and adjust the lens, but how would someone with a dslr do this quickly?

Also are canon's the only dslr you recommend or is there any other make/model you would highly recommend?
#14
its the same price at John Lewis, plus you get 2 years guarantee. Good price though.
#15
frogbog
Thank you very much for the explanation. I really appreciate your help.

An honest answer is that I've become so used to having a super zoom camera, I find changing lens a bit annoying. Lets say I'm on holiday with my family and thete is a sudden moment where I need to take a photo. With a super zoom, I simply have to switch it on and adjust the lens, but how would someone with a dslr do this quickly?

Also are canon's the only dslr you recommend or is there any other make/model you would highly recommend?
changing lenses out and about IS annoying
you can get eg 18-200mm lenses but they cost a fair bit and are pretty big (one for this camera is 5-600quid)
fullsized nikon/canon dslrs have more alternatives with different ranges/qualities/prices but then the base camera is much bigger
with the sony cameras best to look at the lenses available to start with and see if theyd fit your needs
#16
Assuming I went with a dslr, what can you recommend for around £150-£200 without the nifty fifty f/1.8 lens? I don't mind buying 2nd-hand it's got good features.
#17
(I had written a reply to this earlier but it either got deleted for some reason or it failed to submit properly, so apologies if you've already read this before!)

frogbog
Thank you very much for the explanation. I really appreciate your help.

An honest answer is that I've become so used to having a super zoom camera, I find changing lens a bit annoying. Lets say I'm on holiday with my family and thete is a sudden moment where I need to take a photo. With a super zoom, I simply have to switch it on and adjust the lens,

The two key issues with most superzoom cameras is A) the larger a lens' zoom range is the worse its image quality will be and the maximum aperture will be small (large max aperture= blurry background), there's a reason you don't see DSLR lenses with 30x zoom and you see most photography enthusiasts owning at least two lenses, and B) the vast majority of superzooms in this price range will use smaller sensors as this results in higher levels of magnification from a lens (this is known as "crop factor") and means the lens can be physically smaller. Small sensors, however, been inferior image quality and makes it much more difficult to obtain shallow depth of field). For your budget of £300 you will most likely be getting what is essentially a point-and-shoot camera with a big lens shoved in the body of a small SLR. You may get some SLR features like a viewfinder and more manual controls, but you won't get the same image quality and shots like the example pic you posted above will not be achievable.

You'd have to make a choice between your intiial desire for high image quality, shallow depth of field and that "bokeh" aesthetic that only a DSLR sized sensor and large aperture lens can consistently deliver, or the wide zoom range and convenience of no lens switching from a fixed lens superzoom. Middle ground in the form of high quality bridge cameras cost a lot more money.

but how would someone with a dslr do this quickly?

As mentioned above, there are DSLR lenses with large versatile zoom ranges like this Tamron 18-200mm, so starting out about as wide as most DSLR kit lenses do (and virtually all fixed lens cameras start at a roughly equivalent wide angle, to put things in perspective) but pushing much further forward with just over an 11x zoom. This still doesn't compare to the ranges of superzooms, but as I mentioned above this is because they use smaller sensors and can use smaller lenses as a result, or create lenses the same size as moderately sized SLR lenses that offer insane zoom ranges. If you want the huge 30x or higher magnifications superzooms offer in a single lens, then superzooms are your only option at the expense of SLR-grade image quality.

So, to answer your question of how a DSLR can match the versatility of a superzoom, it's to buy one of these 18-200+ zoom lenses and use it as your only lens. Their zoom range is plenty for most people and while image quality does suffer, as a new shooter that may be fine for you- my ex girlfriend uses one such lens for most of her shooting and is usually happy with the results. The time she takes it off is for what you initially asked for- creating out of focus backgrounds which she uses a nifty fifty for. This is a two lens setup that won't have you fumbling with lenses every five minutes, but you'd probably need to bump your budget up

Also are canon's the only dslr you recommend or is there any other make/model you would highly recommend?

No, they aren't the only brand I'd recommend. Canon is what I shoot with personally but virtually every entry level DSLR from any company that's been sold for the last few years are all great- different brands have different perks. In this case, Canon are my #1 recommendation because they are the only brand who have a wide aperture, autofocussing prime lens that retails for under £140, never mind under £100, making it pretty much your only choice for getting such a lens and a body for under £300. Nikon, Pentax and Sony all produce great baseline cameras at similar prices to the 1200D, but for a lens which allows for really shallow DoF it would eat up around half your budget on any other system.

frogbog
Assuming I went with a dslr, what can you recommend for around £150-£200 without the nifty fifty f/1.8 lens? I don't mind buying 2nd-hand it's got good features.

Assuming your budget is now £200 as you plan to buy the nifty fifty with the remaining budget, the Canon 1100D with an 18-55mm kit lens can probably be picked up for under £200 on eBay, or second hand body only for £150 from sites like mpbphotographic. If you just want to spend less and look into other systems, look into the Nikon D3100 or D5000 and a kit lens.
#18
i wouldn't get so hung up on 'nifty fifty' tbh ... you may not even like using that focal length
have you tried out that focal length with current camera? tbh i find it too long most of the time
not sure how it displays on fz38 but if in terms of zoom it would be about 2.8X zoom on your camera - as its fixed you have to move yourself to frame and can be easy to run out of space
#19
ElGofre
Canon are my #1 recommendation because they are the only brand who have a wide aperture, autofocussing prime lens that retails for under £140,

As I mentioned earlier the excellent NIKKOR 35 mm f/1.8G is £139 and the D3200 18-55mm VR Lens is only £259 from John Lewis (with cash back). a price quality combo that can't be beaten by Canon or anyone else at the moment, if you want to go the entry level DSLR route.
#20
Thank you elgofre for the breakdown. I have definately decided that I want to go with the dslr/csc type. I have slightly increased my budget to £350 and now it's just a matter of deciding which make/model camera to go for. I'm also thinking if I should go for used one or brand-new. What I've noticed is that there is hardly any difference in price between a used and a new one.

For example, a used nikon d3200 with 18-55mm lens on ebay is approx £200-250+ and yet brand-new you can pick it up brand-new for £260+2yr warranty from currys which includes the nikon cashback.
#21
brilly
i wouldn't get so hung up on 'nifty fifty' tbh ... you may not even like using that focal length
have you tried out that focal length with current camera? tbh i find it too long most of the time
not sure how it displays on fz38 but if in terms of zoom it would be about 2.8X zoom on your camera - as its fixed you have to move yourself to frame and can be easy to run out of space

I've sold the FZ38 which is a bridge camera, so I can't try it unfortunately. So what lens do you recommend if not the nifty-fifty?

toaster
ElGofre
Canon are my #1 recommendation because they are the only brand who have a wide aperture, autofocussing prime lens that retails for under £140,
As I mentioned earlier the excellent NIKKOR 35 mm f/1.8G is £139 and the D3200 18-55mm VR Lens is only £259 from John Lewis (with cash back). a price quality combo that can't be beaten by Canon or anyone else at the moment, if you want to go the entry level DSLR route.

John Lewis are out of stock unfortunately. As for nikon being cheaper, at £139.99 their lens is more than double the price of the canon's...whats the difference between the nikon lens and canon's?
#22
TBH, something around 50mm with a large aperture would be useful both for bokeh, but also for low light shots whatever system you plump for, be it canon, nikon or Sony like myself

.....but beware of lens addiction :) - I just got a minolta 300 f4 for my sony a850 and it's a beauty (couldn't resist at £435 on ebay, & from a Uk seller too)
#23
frogbog
brilly
i wouldn't get so hung up on 'nifty fifty' tbh ... you may not even like using that focal length
have you tried out that focal length with current camera? tbh i find it too long most of the time
not sure how it displays on fz38 but if in terms of zoom it would be about 2.8X zoom on your camera - as its fixed you have to move yourself to frame and can be easy to run out of space

I've sold the FZ38 which is a bridge camera, so I can't try it unfortunately. So what lens do you recommend if not the nifty-fifty?

toaster
ElGofre
Canon are my #1 recommendation because they are the only brand who have a wide aperture, autofocussing prime lens that retails for under £140,
As I mentioned earlier the excellent NIKKOR 35 mm f/1.8G is £139 and the D3200 18-55mm VR Lens is only £259 from John Lewis (with cash back). a price quality combo that can't be beaten by Canon or anyone else at the moment, if you want to go the entry level DSLR route.

John Lewis are out of stock unfortunately. As for nikon being cheaper, at £139.99 their lens is more than double the price of the canon's...whats the difference between the nikon lens and canon's?

The Nikon is not a 50mm but a much more useful 35mm and becomes effectively a 50mm on a crop sensor DSLR whereas the Canon is effectively a 75mm lens, nice for portraits and tight crops but can be limiting.

Check out these photos showing the potential of the Nikon 35mm F1.8

http://www.flickriver.com/search/NIKKOR+35+mm+f%252F1.8G/
#24
J9STL
TBH, something around 50mm with a large aperture would be useful both for bokeh, but also for low light shots whatever system you plump for, be it canon, nikon or Sony like myself
.....but beware of lens addiction :) - I just got a minolta 300 f4 for my sony a850 and it's a beauty (couldn't resist at £435 on ebay, & from a Uk seller too)

As you can understand, I'm somewhat confused as I'm getting quite a bit of conflicting advise, with some saying you don't want to get a 50mm lens, whilst others saying you do


toaster
frogbog
brilly
i wouldn't get so hung up on 'nifty fifty' tbh ... you may not even like using that focal length
have you tried out that focal length with current camera? tbh i find it too long most of the time
not sure how it displays on fz38 but if in terms of zoom it would be about 2.8X zoom on your camera - as its fixed you have to move yourself to frame and can be easy to run out of space
I've sold the FZ38 which is a bridge camera, so I can't try it unfortunately. So what lens do you recommend if not the nifty-fifty?
toaster
ElGofre
Canon are my #1 recommendation because they are the only brand who have a wide aperture, autofocussing prime lens that retails for under £140,
As I mentioned earlier the excellent NIKKOR 35 mm f/1.8G is £139 and the D3200 18-55mm VR Lens is only £259 from John Lewis (with cash back). a price quality combo that can't be beaten by Canon or anyone else at the moment, if you want to go the entry level DSLR route.
John Lewis are out of stock unfortunately. As for nikon being cheaper, at £139.99 their lens is more than double the price of the canon's...whats the difference between the nikon lens and canon's?
The Nikon is not a 50mm but a much more useful 35mm and becomes effectively a 50mm on a crop sensor DSLR whereas the Canon is effectively a 75mm lens, nice for portraits and tight crops but can be limiting.
Check out these photos showing the potential of the Nikon 35mm F1.8http://www.flickriver.com/search/NIKKOR+35+mm+f%252F1.8G/

Wow! They look gorgeous toaster. I noticed many of the photos were taken with higher-end cameras, so how would the D3200 fair?

To be honest, I would prefer a lens that I can use on a daily basis and one which I only change on the odd/special occasion, so which one would it be?

Also John Lewis are out of stock and I don't like the service of Currys, so I'll have to wait for a little longer for that special Hot UK Deal! Until then I'll gather as much info as possible.

Lastly out of interest do you do photography on a regular basis?
#25
@frogbog
Anyone who gets into photography ends up adding lenses at some point. The kit lens with this should suffice for the moment, but when you want to do more than just point and shoot at things close to you, then this is when you buy extra lenses, be it a long range zoom, a macro or an extra wide lens. People are advising you on a second lens before you have bought the camera !
#26
frogbog
J9STL
TBH, something around 50mm with a large aperture would be useful both for bokeh, but also for low light shots whatever system you plump for, be it canon, nikon or Sony like myself
.....but beware of lens addiction :) - I just got a minolta 300 f4 for my sony a850 and it's a beauty (couldn't resist at £435 on ebay, & from a Uk seller too)

As you can understand, I'm somewhat confused as I'm getting quite a bit of conflicting advise, with some saying you don't want to get a 50mm lens, whilst others saying you do


toaster
frogbog
brilly
i wouldn't get so hung up on 'nifty fifty' tbh ... you may not even like using that focal length
have you tried out that focal length with current camera? tbh i find it too long most of the time
not sure how it displays on fz38 but if in terms of zoom it would be about 2.8X zoom on your camera - as its fixed you have to move yourself to frame and can be easy to run out of space
I've sold the FZ38 which is a bridge camera, so I can't try it unfortunately. So what lens do you recommend if not the nifty-fifty?
toaster
ElGofre
Canon are my #1 recommendation because they are the only brand who have a wide aperture, autofocussing prime lens that retails for under £140,
As I mentioned earlier the excellent NIKKOR 35 mm f/1.8G is £139 and the D3200 18-55mm VR Lens is only £259 from John Lewis (with cash back). a price quality combo that can't be beaten by Canon or anyone else at the moment, if you want to go the entry level DSLR route.
John Lewis are out of stock unfortunately. As for nikon being cheaper, at £139.99 their lens is more than double the price of the canon's...whats the difference between the nikon lens and canon's?
The Nikon is not a 50mm but a much more useful 35mm and becomes effectively a 50mm on a crop sensor DSLR whereas the Canon is effectively a 75mm lens, nice for portraits and tight crops but can be limiting.
Check out these photos showing the potential of the Nikon 35mm F1.8http://www.flickriver.com/search/NIKKOR+35+mm+f%252F1.8G/

Wow! They look gorgeous toaster. I noticed many of the photos were taken with higher-end cameras, so how would the D3200 fair?

To be honest, I would prefer a lens that I can use on a daily basis and one which I only change on the odd/special occasion, so which one would it be?

Also John Lewis are out of stock and I don't like the service of Currys, so I'll have to wait for a little longer for that special Hot UK Deal! Until then I'll gather as much info as possible.

Lastly out of interest do you do photography on a regular basis?
yes its conflicting, tbh they are both nice lenses but my advice was find out which you do actually want rather than just buy one thats recommended.
if you are going for a camera and 1 prime then if 50mm seems canon is cheaper, 35mm nikon is cheaper
if you want the other one as well then 35mm canon seems alot more than the 50mm nikon
but why do you want one and not the other? cos some guy said so?

hence think about the system and what you actually DO want..and not just about these 2 primes which tbh are sort of similar anyway

you will find great examples from pretty much any lens really, they dont really tell you much about how the lens works in practise as they operate sort of similarly depending on how close you stand to the subject

here is a little on bokeh btw to see how it works in practise
http://www.iheartfaces.com/2011/05/beginner-bokeh/
you can do it with the kit lenses just its alot easier with lower f-number lenses (harder to focus though sometimes)


Edited By: brilly on Dec 08, 2014 16:20: .
#27
Thanks J9STL & Brilly.

Before my search for the perfect camera, I had a Panasonic FZ38 superzoom bridge. I was extremely happy with that as it took some great quality photos, had a built-in flash and also allowed me to zoom on distant object. Except the only thing that was missing was the fact I never could do a bokeh/blur effect!

That is the only reason I sold it to buy a better camera. Little did I know that it would cause a lot of confusion and make my task very complicated.

My main goal is to get a camera with the LEAST amount of lens (or a lens that can take wide-aperture across a longer zoom range!!) that can take great photos like on the FZ38 without too much effort, but MAINLY to take photos that have a great Bokeh effect. Also please bear in mind that I don't have much knowledge or experience in photography, so if I have to spend an hour setting up a DSLR to take one standard photo (unless it's a very special one!), compared to a few seconds on my FZ38, then maybe DSLR is not for me after all.



Edited By: frogbog on Dec 08, 2014 16:57: added more info
#28
I started with a bridge, but in aperture mode, it is possible to get bokeh shots. I did however get the bug and moved to a DSLR. The difference (IMO) is like night and day. This a5000 comes with a 16-50 lens with variable aperture from 3.5 to 5.6, so in theory if you shoot in A mode at 3.5 you should get decent bokeh on close-ups. For a landscape shot, close down the aperture to f8 or more and you should capture more detail; that stated, you will need to hold the camera still for longer due to the smaller aperture letting in less light. NB it's all about the light on the sensor and its relationship determined by shutter speed, aperture and ISO - keep that in mind and you won't go far wrong.
This is an amazon product, so presumably you could return it if you are not fully happy?
#29
Thanks J9STL. I don't know if you noticed, but I found a good offer of Canon on the Amazon.de site:-

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/canon-eos-100d-digital-slr-camera-kit-ef-s-18-55mm-1-3-5-5-6-stm-50-euro-cashback-2077383

Just worried if something went wrong...what if....
#30
frogbog
Thanks J9STL. I don't know if you noticed, but I found a good offer of Canon on the Amazon.de site:-

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/canon-eos-100d-digital-slr-camera-kit-ef-s-18-55mm-1-3-5-5-6-stm-50-euro-cashback-2077383

Just worried if something went wrong...what if....

it seems a good price when you use this useful site: camerapricebuster
tbh, I don't know a lot about canon's, but IIRC their 18-55 kit lenses aren't the best - not sure if they have now addressed this with a newer 18-55 (?)
You are buying from amazon.de & it will still have a european warranty, with rtb for repair surely ?
#31
frogbog
Thanks J9STL. I don't know if you noticed, but I found a good offer of Canon on the Amazon.de site:-

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/canon-eos-100d-digital-slr-camera-kit-ef-s-18-55mm-1-3-5-5-6-stm-50-euro-cashback-2077383

Just worried if something went wrong...what if....
have you read any reviews or roundups?
that way you'll know what you are looking for better
#33

I have bought stuff (dvd's, xbox360 hd dvd drive) from amazon.de and had no issues, agreed this is a different product, but amazon (imo) have a good customer service.
#34
Thanks for clarifying that J9STL. Is there anyone as unlucky as me??? I've lost my chance as now 100% of these cameras have been reserved, so it seems like I'm out of luck. I'm going to stay on the waiting list incase I get lucky.
#35
another review for you here
cameralabs review
#36
Thanks for that
#37
It seems tge nikon d3200 is still better than the 100d in many ways
#38
@Frogbog - try à used nex 5 from CEX .£95 12mth g'tee with a 6 quid adapter and a old 50mm 1.8 lens eBay ~£10.
#39
a nex 5 for £95?? Wow! I couldn't find any on their site....where have you seen that?
#40
frogbog
a nex 5 for £95?? Wow! I couldn't find any on their site....where have you seen that?
https://uk.webuy.com/product.php?sku=SDIGSONNEX5BOB#.VIa5mzGsWSo

thats about 4 generations old though, obviously the older you go the cheaper ;) best thing about that is the guaranteee
the lens would be manual focus and at a tenner i think not the greatest or lucky

gtrade b electronics? "Light to heavy cosmetic blemishes, may be missing original box and accessories."

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