Sony STR-DA1200ES - STRDA 7.1 Multi Channel Home Cinema Receiver With HDMI - £199.99 @ Richer Sounds - HotUKDeals
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The Sony STR-DA1200ES gets off to a great start by being far easier to set up than the average AV receiver. Even fine adjustments to speaker balance can be carried out precisely and quickly.

Like more and more AV receivers these days, the STRDA1200 features an HDMI interface. This allows for two HDMI signals - say from a set top box and DVD player - to be plugged in via the AV receiver, thus cutting down on unnecessary cable clutter. Video upconversion from composite or S-Video to component further improves connection and, hence, picture quality.

As you'd expect from AV experts, Sony, the STR-DA1200 sounds pretty faultless, too. Steering from speaker to speaker is pin sharp, whilst dialogue is cleanly defined and easy to distinguish. This exceptional level of control extends to the rest of the sound stage, which has awesome depth and realism. Music also benefits from the STRDA1200ES's smooth and natural sonics.

Built and finished to Sony's usual high standards, the STR-DA1200ES is set to be the raise the bar for AV receivers at this price.
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#1
Cracking amp for the money :thumbsup: But I'm afraid the HDMI inputs on the back are next to useless! As this amp is only a HDMI switcher, not a repeater. In other words if you connected a PS3 to this amp via HDMI the amp will not pick up the audio feed or video feed coming through the connection. It's only use is if you are lacking HDMI inputs on your TV. Other than that it's a great sounding amp for the money as this is one of Sony's ES products (Extremely high standards)
#2
yes but that's a problem with all the amps in this price range. It's a good price but these amp's can't beat Onkyo 605/606's for features/quality but 606's are double this while the 605's are still at least 50% more expensive in the 2nd hand market.
#3
alchemistkevin
yes but that's a problem with all the amps in this price range. It's a good price but these amp's can't beat Onkyo 605/606's for features/quality but 606's are double this while the 605's are still at least 50% more expensive in the 2nd hand market.


I have an Onkyo 875, mmmmmm :)
#4
XxS7U4R7xX
Cracking amp for the money :thumbsup: But I'm afraid the HDMI inputs on the back are next to useless! As this amp is only a HDMI switcher, not a repeater. In other words if you connected a PS3 to this amp via HDMI the amp will not pick up the audio feed or video feed coming through the connection. It's only use is if you are lacking HDMI inputs on your TV. Other than that it's a great sounding amp for the money as this is one of Sony's ES products (Extremely high standards)


Any chance you could explain this in a bit more depth, sorry to sound thick but I was seriously looking at buying this amp and I do want to connect my PS3 into it and utilise the optical output for the sound.

Can this amp use the HDMI for video from the PS3 and then select a separate optical sound input from the PS3 to get the best out of the audio?

I don't really understand because I have an old Sony Amp that is able to do exactly that and I was sure you could separate the Audio and Video feeds on this amp?

My old amp is a pre-HDMI STR-DB930 and I was realy hoping that this would be a sufficient upgrade from it??
#5
imiskeen
Any chance you could explain this in a bit more depth, sorry to sound thick but I was seriously looking at buying this amp and I do want to connect my PS3 into it and utilise the optical output for the sound.

Can this amp use the HDMI for video from the PS3 and then select a separate optical sound input from the PS3 to get the best out of the audio?

I don't really understand because I have an old Sony Amp that is able to do exactly that and I was sure you could separate the Audio and Video feeds on this amp?

My old amp is a pre-HDMI STR-DB930 and I was realy hoping that this would be a sufficient upgrade from it??

the amp can do that but in an ideal world you want HDMI carrying your video and Audio. However, there's nothing in this price range that can do that.
#6
alchemistkevin
the amp can do that but in an ideal world you want HDMI carrying your video and Audio. However, there's nothing in this price range that can do that.


Cool. Thanks for letting me know, could have wasted a lot of money. So does this amp not carry audio and video via HDMI then? Oh and one more thing, whats the current media darling for a budget of around £500?

Cheers...
#7
imiskeen
Cool. Thanks for letting me know, could have wasted a lot of money. So does this amp not carry audio and video via HDMI then? Oh and one more thing, whats the current media darling for a budget of around £500?

Cheers...

Onkyo TX-SR606 - Definitely value for money at £400 - or if you want to spend more check out TX-SR875 - nothing beats it under £1k and if you're lucky you'll find some around £599.
#8
Denon 1908 is a decent amp with HDMI, can be had for under £280 if you shop around.
#9
alchemistkevin
Onkyo TX-SR606 - Definitely value for money at £400 - or if you want to spend more check out TX-SR875 - nothing beats it under £1k and if you're lucky you'll find some around £599.


Either that or check out the new Sony STR-DG820 @ £299.99, got 4 HDMI in, 1 out. 1.3a HDMI spec, and can do all the latest HD surround codecs, Dolby TrueHD & DTS-HD Master Audio :thumbsup:

But I will say that if you we're comparing a STR-DA1200 to a STR-DG820 in terms of amplification or sound quality, I would imagine the 1200 would win, seeing as the 1200 is a sony ES producy.
#10
Anyone recommend speakers to compliment this?
#11
Great amp - great value for money. Cost you another £100 for the Onkyo, but it ain't no great issue to have an optical in - just an extra cable. Wire up a PS3, stick in a bluray and enjoy - fantastic soundstage.

Plus the Onkyo doesn't compare in terms of sound. Pound for pound, don't think there is anything to beat this.
#12
jamesjimmy
Anyone recommend speakers to compliment this?


I have a set of jamo a102hcs5 speakers, they are good set of speakers and wont break the bank. Plenty of reviews on the internet for them.
#13
imiskeen

Can this amp use the HDMI for video from the PS3 and then select a separate optical sound input from the PS3 to get the best out of the audio?


Yeah course it can. My PS3's sound is optical through my STRDB795 7.1 QS Amp, and picture is via HDMI straight to TV, as mine is pre-HDMI too.

I was going to opt for this one, but have been waiting ideally for the STRDG800 to come out over here as it's out in the US.

You might laugh as my amp maybe 4 years old and probably rubbish in comparison to you lot's, but i'm hanging on to it until a HDMI 1.3 amp comes reasonable to get HD audio :thumbsup:
#14
Has anyone connected up the HDMI output to two displays via a splitter? I have a projector and a TV and find swapping the cables is a pain.
#15
Stradders

You might laugh as my amp maybe 4 years old and probably rubbish in comparison to you lot's, but i'm hanging on to it until a HDMI 1.3 amp comes reasonable to get HD audio :thumbsup:


I've had my current amp over 10 years..!! and have nothing but praise for it. Mind you I did pay a premium for it back then. Still I guess things move on, and I really want my next purchase to last a similar amount of time, Thought I could get away with a bargain price but it seems you get what you pay for.

So I'm lookng at this:

http://www.superfi.co.uk/index.cfm/page/moreinfo.cfm/Product_ID/4383

But I don't understand half the things it has on it?? Therefore I am making the conclusion that I might never user em and the Sony will do....oooh decisions decisions.

Will I be able to notice the difference between True HD Audio and what I currently have now if I only have a 5:1 speaker set up?? I have a Bose AC15 and am now thinking that to get best use of all the functions listed in the Onkyo amp I'd have to upgrade them too?

Grrrr. damn you op...:oops::thumbsup:
#16
great but as stated already

Hdmi Audio Does the HDMI interface carry multi-channel audio? Only newer versions of HDMI carry multi-channel audio as well as video signals. No THIS DOES NOT.


Great if you can live without this...............
#17
XxS7U4R7xX
Either that or check out the new Sony STR-DG820 @ £299.99, got 4 HDMI in, 1 out. 1.3a HDMI spec, and can do all the latest HD surround codecs, Dolby TrueHD & DTS-HD Master Audio :thumbsup:

But I will say that if you we're comparing a STR-DA1200 to a STR-DG820 in terms of amplification or sound quality, I would imagine the 1200 would win, seeing as the 1200 is a sony ES producy.

Are you sure it can do Audio via HDMI - I think not but happy to be corrected.
#18
Sootie
Great amp - great value for money. Cost you another £100 for the Onkyo, but it ain't no great issue to have an optical in - just an extra cable. Wire up a PS3, stick in a bluray and enjoy - fantastic soundstage.

Plus the Onkyo doesn't compare in terms of sound. Pound for pound, don't think there is anything to beat this.

lol. facts to back up your claims please?
#19
Sootie the PS3 can only send HD Audio over HDMI So "just an other cable" will not work

Imiskeen the 705 is not that good a buy the 875 is way better and you should be able to get one for £600 in silver and is a bargin (I traded my 606 for one) and the 606 very good also have a look at the DENON AVR2308 £400 spec looks good
#20
hell, this is a great deal for me (shame i'm still skint) 3 Optical inputs and 2 coax should do most people, tho 2 HDMI might leave a few people wingeing.

Would do me, but I think I'll wait for an onkyo 606 deal...
#21
alchemistkevin
the amp can do that but in an ideal world you want HDMI carrying your video and Audio. However, there's nothing in this price range that can do that.


Could you explain that in more detial, please?
I know someone already asked you to, but I'm still confused about what it is this amp can't actually do.
Feel free to use some layman's terms, I know sod all about audio equipment lol.
#22
PS3 sends VIDEO and AUDIO via HDMI - i know i've got one and a SONY Amp that takes VIDEO and AUDIO.......
#23
Sootie
Great amp - great value for money. Cost you another £100 for the Onkyo, but it ain't no great issue to have an optical in - just an extra cable. Wire up a PS3, stick in a bluray and enjoy - fantastic soundstage.

Plus the Onkyo doesn't compare in terms of sound. Pound for pound, don't think there is anything to beat this.


I agree with Sootie. Had this amp for over 18 months now and I can't fault it. The lack of audio split out from the HDMI isn't a big deal. Sky HD doesn't send DD over hdmi so that needs an optical cable anyway. Don't have a PS3 so can't comment.

Auto calibratrion is easy, sound quality is superb and its got a ton of inputs and options.

MW
#24
alchemistkevin
Are you sure it can do Audio via HDMI - I think not but happy to be corrected.


100% as I've already tried and tested it :thumbsup: It wouldn't be HDMI 1.3a spec if couldn't read or pick up either HD audio via bitstream or PCM. Plus it wouldn't be able to display the HD audio logos on the front panel if couldn't do it. It's being tipped as the Onkyo beater (price point I would imagine)
Watch this space...
#25
Kushan
Could you explain that in more detial, please?
I know someone already asked you to, but I'm still confused about what it is this amp can't actually do.
Feel free to use some layman's terms, I know sod all about audio equipment lol.


The amp can take 2 hdmi inputs and output a single hdmi to your TV. Say you have Sky HD and a PS3. You connect both to the AMP. If you have the AMP on TV/SAT you get the Sky HD output to your TV. If you have it on the other HDMI channel you get your PS3 on your TV.

If you have speakers on your TV then you will get sound from both devices. If you have speakers run off the AMP (and you would be silly not to really as thats what the amp is for) then you won't get sound from either the PS3 or SKY HD from these speakers unless you use another audio cable such as optical.

MW
#26
Mortal Wombat
The amp can take 2 hdmi inputs and output a single hdmi to your TV. Say you have Sky HD and a PS3. You connect both to the AMP. If you have the AMP on TV/SAT you get the Sky HD output to your TV. If you have it on the other HDMI channel you get your PS3 on your TV.

If you have speakers on your TV then you will get sound from both devices. If you have speakers run off the AMP (and you would be silly not to really as thats what the amp is for) then you won't get sound from either the PS3 or SKY HD from these speakers unless you use another audio cable such as optical.

MW


So let me get this straight - the HDMI on the device is only to serve as a sort of pass-through/switch? It doesn't get the audio from it at all?
That sounds...well...pointless, really...and that's why I got confused, it doesn't make sense to me to bother putting HDMI on an AMP if it can't even get sound from it...
#27
I've got one of these.

Its a decent amp for movies, but for music playback the audio quality is lacking a little imo, but I am used to decent stereo amps which usually always sound better than receivers.

Good price, However the Onkyo TXSR605 does high def audio via hdmi for £299 at richer sounds.

Jim
#28
Kushan;2683284
So let me get this straight - the HDMI on the device is only to serve as a sort of pass-through/switch? It doesn't get the audio from it at all?
That sounds...well...pointless, really...and that's why I got confused, it doesn't make sense to me to bother putting HDMI on an AMP if it can't even get sound from it...


You're right. The old standards of HDMI is video only.

The purpose it does have is that if you don't have any free HDMI inputs left on your TV (early TVs only came with one, remember) you can now connect 2 at a time via switching on the amp. It's also useful if you have a wall-mounted TV and don't want to have to remove the TV from the wall to swap HDMI devices.
#29
gary233932;2681102


Imiskeen the 705 is not that good a buy the 875 is way better and you should be able to get one for £600 in silver and is a bargin (I traded my 606 for one) and the 606 very good also have a look at the DENON AVR2308 £400 spec looks good


Agree :thumbsup: on the Onkyo comments.
#30
Kushan;2683284
So let me get this straight - the HDMI on the device is only to serve as a sort of pass-through/switch? It doesn't get the audio from it at all?
That sounds...well...pointless, really...and that's why I got confused, it doesn't make sense to me to bother putting HDMI on an AMP if it can't even get sound from it...


I had the same problem when I bought a Sony STR-DG510 a while back. I didn't realise it's HDMI in/out was just a switcher and you still need coax and optical to feed the digital sound to the amp.

I had to swap to my now trusty Sony STR-DG910 which does the lot through the HDMI inputs (ie it passes the video and audio to the TV but also receives and processes the DTS, Dolby Digital and the newer HD digital audio formats so no more optical cables etc. required.)

The great thing is, when you have a load of sources under the TV (PS3, Sky HD, HD-DVD etc.) the fewer leads the better. God I hated those optical leads which were always a bit too short and came out every time I moved anything.

So I would avoid this amp if you want the best from your HD sources. You need the HDMI doing all the work.
#31
Vimes220
hell, this is a great deal for me (shame i'm still skint) 3 Optical inputs and 2 coax should do most people, tho 2 HDMI might leave a few people wingeing.

Would do me, but I think I'll wait for an onkyo 606 deal...

you're right in waiting for a 606 deal but TBH they're cheap as chips considering what they can do. I had a 605 last year and have a 606 now, would have a 875 if I had the space for it.

Also for people buying amp's in this price range I can't see them having these many HDMI devices and then buying this amp
#32
Kushan
So let me get this straight - the HDMI on the device is only to serve as a sort of pass-through/switch? It doesn't get the audio from it at all?
That sounds...well...pointless, really...and that's why I got confused, it doesn't make sense to me to bother putting HDMI on an AMP if it can't even get sound from it...

:thumbsup: look up the Onkyo range if you want cheap HDMI 1.3 amps (Audio + Video over HDMI) or look at the Sony mentioned earlier that can do both over a single HDMI cable, not sure how good it is though.
#33
There are a lot of people bitching about how this amp isn't HDMI 1.3 spec (meaning that it won't take accept an audio signal from the HDMI cable).

What's the huge deal with adding in a fibre optic cable or a coaxial for the audio? A separate audio cable of some sort is needed on all other video signals composite / S-video / component.

Buy yourselves an extra fibre optic cable for a fiver, and save yourself at least £100 on an amp that will accept audio on the HDMI cable. You won't notice a difference and you'll save yourselves some money.
#34
ptpeetee
There are a lot of people bitching about how this amp isn't HDMI 1.3 spec (meaning that it won't take accept an audio signal from the HDMI cable).

What's the huge deal with adding in a fibre optic cable or a coaxial for the audio? A separate audio cable of some sort is needed on all other video signals composite / S-video / component.

Buy yourselves an extra fibre optic cable for a fiver, and save yourself at least £100 on an amp that will accept audio on the HDMI cable. You won't notice a difference and you'll save yourselves some money.


Conventional Optical or Co-axial digital connections do not have the bandwidth to support the new HD sound formats that BuRay carries (DD lossless, DD+, DTS-HD). These can ONLY be carried by HDMI or 7 audio connections.
#35
WalterSmith
Conventional Optical or Co-axial digital connections do not have the bandwidth to support the new HD sound formats that BuRay carries (DD lossless, DD+, DTS-HD). These can ONLY be carried by HDMI or 7 audio connections.


If this did support HD I don't think you'd be getting it at this price :-D

But in terms of Dolby Digital and DTS, this is a great amp.
#36
I was interested in this amp some time ago. However, one thing that it doesn't do that the Onkyo 605/606 and Sony 910 did do was upconvert component sources to HDMI whereas the 1200 doesn't. So what? Well my Panasonic plasma is a pain changing between sources - especially for all in one remotes. To have just one cable going from the amp to the TV means no more changing of sources on the TV.

This may be only a minor point but it put me off at the time. I also think that 2 HDMI inputs may be limiting too in the near future. I would like Freesat when it comes cheaper, DVD recorders are now HDMI, maybe get a gaming system in future.

The Onkyo belts out some heat and in the specs needs quite a lot of space around its already large size. So the new Sony STR-DG820 could be for me...especially at a preorder price of £249.99 here http://www.play.com/Electronics/Electronics/4-/5749543/Sony-STR-DG820-7-1-Channel-Receiver/Product.html in black or silver!!! EDIT : Slightly cheaper elsewhere but not from anywhere I have heard of. Also £5 off voucher available for Play and Quidco.... and having had a look it doesn't look like it upconverts analogue to HDMI (though the STR-DG920 does)
#37
Sootie
If this did support HD I don't think you'd be getting it at this price :-D

But in terms of Dolby Digital and DTS, this is a great amp.


It supports PCM over HDMI, so it does support the new formats?!!?!?! You just get the player to convert the lossless, DD+, etc to PCM.
#38
imiskeen
Any chance you could explain this in a bit more depth, sorry to sound thick but I was seriously looking at buying this amp and I do want to connect my PS3 into it and utilise the optical output for the sound.

Can this amp use the HDMI for video from the PS3 and then select a separate optical sound input from the PS3 to get the best out of the audio?

I don't really understand because I have an old Sony Amp that is able to do exactly that and I was sure you could separate the Audio and Video feeds on this amp?

My old amp is a pre-HDMI STR-DB930 and I was realy hoping that this would be a sufficient upgrade from it??

If you've got a PS3 you can only output sound through either HDMI or optical, if you connect the HDMI to your TV for this picture signal, and optical to the amp for sound it should all be good.
#39
imiskeen

My old amp is a pre-HDMI STR-DB930 and I was realy hoping that this would be a sufficient upgrade from it??


If you own a DB930, u wont need anything else...........they are as good as you can utilise for home cinema.....

if anything, they are better built + better sounding than the newer ones..........
#40
People if you want a cheap amp which is HDMI 1.3a spec with 4 HDMI inputs take a look at this Sony STR-DG820 which is new @ play.com for £249.99 http://www.play.com/Product.aspx?r=ELEC&title=5749548&source=9593 :thumbsup:

Don't forget a possible 6% quidco too which should take it down to £234.99

You may find it cheaper, this is the cheapest I could find from a reputable company in a quick google search.

* edit *

Either that or buy a Onkyo TX-SR605 as you can pick these up for £300ish if you look around, the only difference between the 605 and the new 606 is: New nicer remote, 4 HDMI ins, 1 out, instead of 2 in and 1 out, slightly different Audyssey mic setup, and some minor tweaks in the setup when in the Onkyo's setup menu (OSD)

* another edit * lol

Richer sounds deal on a TX-SR605 @ £299.99 http://www.richersounds.com/showproduct.php?cda=showproduct&pid=ONKY-TXSR605
But it says it only comes with a 1 year guarantee which is bull, if they source their amps from the UK Onkyo distribution, it should have it's standard 2 year guarantee! Really annoys me when I see this on Richer sounds, makes me think are they legit? As why would they charge their customers more for an extended warranty, if it's supposed to be free!!

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