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7 Likes #1
Quality is undeniable. But still a massive load of wonga for the whole lot...

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/data.gif
3 Likes #2
Certainly alot less than I have paid for individual seasons
1 Like #3
I paid a lot more years ago for these on dvd. Hot
#4
Anyone know how good the HD remastering is?
2 Likes #5
kilboy
Anyone know how good the HD remastering is?

I'd say really good, they even fixed various errors of original special effects. Personally I think they should have wide-screened it regardless off issues...
1 Like #6
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2 Likes #7
I want this, can't justify the cost tho :(
#8
Last season is coming out soon, and that alone costs £37-50, as every season has been. So even taking each season as it's lower prices, say £30, that's still £210 for the lot. This is a massive saving on per seasons boxsets.
The remastering is fantastic too, done a perfect job, can't fault it. All the special effects are updated, and done with just the right amount (no Lucas style overdoing it), and 7.1 surround sound. Doesn't get any better.

Now...do I sell my season 3-6, cancel my pre-order for 7, and get this instead.....
12 Likes #9
kilboy
Anyone know how good the HD remastering is?
It's pretty much the best remastering ever. They've put so much effort into these releases it's unreal. The show was shot on 35mm film but transferred to video tape before it was edited, so both the TV broadcasts and DVD releases came from video tape. For the Blu-Rays they went back to the original 35mm negatives and digitised them in HD - meaning they had to go through all the takes and re-edit the episodes from scratch, but the end result is that the show has never been seen in quality this high before. They've also re-done the digital special effects and they are looking sharp.


Adrian7
Personally I think they should have wide-screened it regardless off issues...
Why? Are you saying you'd be happy watching it like this?

http://scifanatic.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/tng_extras_003.jpg

I mean with all the stuff on the sides of the shot you're basically watching it in 4:3 anyway.
#10
NitrousUK
..So even taking each season as it's lower prices, say £30, that's still £210 for the lot...

oO

First four or five have been £16 - £18 on Amazon these last few months. Nothing to suggest they won't be back down at this price in due course.
#11
would love it, but it's a lot of money for a tv show...
#12
Cold , not the original star trek
#13
I'm going to wait for next Black Friday but this is the best deal if you can't wait
3 Likes #14
lumsdot
Cold , not the original star trek

No it's not, so why are you commenting?
6 Likes #15
kilboy
Anyone know how good the HD remastering is?

Take look here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnRy0F9KIHA

(Set it to 1080p obviously)
1 Like #16
Dickytwo
lumsdot
Cold , not the original star trek
No it's not, so why are you commenting?


Ask your maker to install a humour chip
#17
Waiting for my copy of the "original" Season 1 Blu-ray to be delivered.. big fan of TNG so tempted.. damm HUKD
1 Like #18
Adrian7
kilboy
Anyone know how good the HD remastering is?

I'd say really good, they even fixed various errors of original special effects. Personally I think they should have wide-screened it regardless off issues...

For shame. If you're of the opinion that this should have been 'wide-screened' you probably wouldn't mind if the image was stretched - just adjust the settings on your blu-ray player/TV to fill the screen and be done with it. CBS/Paramount should only be commended for their efforts in the treatment and restoration of this classic series, other distributors should take note

Edited By: BurtBird on Dec 07, 2014 23:09
#19
reddragon105

Adrian7
Personally I think they should have wide-screened it regardless off issues...
Why? Are you saying you'd be happy watching it like this?

http://scifanatic.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/tng_extras_003.jpg

I mean with all the stuff on the sides of the shot you're basically watching it in 4:3 anyway.
I'd actually watch it like that; would probably be pretty interesting to see everything going on "off screen" while the actual episodes got filmed. Should have included that as a special feature...
#20
BurtBird
Adrian7
kilboy
Anyone know how good the HD remastering is?

I'd say really good, they even fixed various errors of original special effects. Personally I think they should have wide-screened it regardless off issues...

For shame. If you're of the opinion that this should have been 'wide-screened' you probably wouldn't mind if the image was stretched - just adjust the settings on your blu-ray player/TV to fill the screen and be done with it. CBS/Paramount should only be commended for their efforts in the treatment and restoration of this classic series, other distributors should take note
Indeed. It may have been shot on a 16:9 medium but it was never intended to be 16:9. They knew it was going to be cropped so it was framed and shot with that in mind so, artistically, it was always meant to be 4:3. They knew the edges of frame weren't going to be used so they could get away with things like light stands and extras waiting for their cues in shot. Some shows were shot this way but with the edges left clear in case they ever did get released in 16:9, but this was not one of them. I don't see the problem with watching 4:3 content on 16:9 TVs anyway - most films are 1.85:1 or 2.35:1 so they don't fill the screen either and you don't see people complaining about that every time they buy a film on Blu-Ray.



Googlyhead
reddragon105

Adrian7
Personally I think they should have wide-screened it regardless off issues...
Why? Are you saying you'd be happy watching it like this?

http://scifanatic.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/tng_extras_003.jpg

I mean with all the stuff on the sides of the shot you're basically watching it in 4:3 anyway.
I'd actually watch it like that; would probably be pretty interesting to see everything going on "off screen" while the actual episodes got filmed. Should have included that as a special feature...
It sure would be interesting, and probably funny at times. There probably is at least some of that in the special features as quite a few of them seem to be about the restoration process.
#21
I wish the box was more interesting like the Borg box release
#22
set phasers to... over priced...
#23
reddragon105

Adrian7
Personally I think they should have wide-screened it regardless off issues...
Why? Are you saying you'd be happy watching it like this?

I mean with all the stuff on the sides of the shot you're basically watching it in 4:3 anyway.

Are you saying that because of one (extreme) examples - the entire series was filmed this way and there was no way most scenes could have been widescreened? There are plenty of examples that don't have the above issues - some can be corrected digitally we're not in '89 anymore.

All the FX was re-done, you're saying it would have been more difficult to do them widescreen?

We shall see how Paramount automagically manages to bring a new re-release once this hits the bargain bin, perhaps with a "mastered in 4K blu-ray release" and the "true 4K/8K release" to squeeze more money out of it...
#24
Will wait however long it takes for this to hit £50, then I'll be all over it. It's not the most unreasonable price at around £18 a season but I suspect most won't be willing to fork out that much (understandably so). Definitely a big improvement over the original versions though.
#25
Yas
NitrousUK
..So even taking each season as it's lower prices, say £30, that's still £210 for the lot...

oO

First four or five have been £16 - £18 on Amazon these last few months. Nothing to suggest they won't be back down at this price in due course.

I have spotted them dipping into £18~ range, but only for a matter of a day or so. Iirc it was season 6 which dropped to £18 for one day, then back up to £30+. I guess if you're quick enough, you could get each season for under £20. But even at a mean of it's cheapest, £17, that's still £119 for them all. So at worst, this boxset would be roughly the same price as the seasons individually.

Or maybe the seasons will drop now the uber boxset is out..
#26
JumpinJames
set phasers to... over priced...

Remember you're not paying for just a boxset of an old release. This is a HD remastering. There was a team of about 20 people working year round for the past several years to make this.
#27
Adrian7
reddragon105

Adrian7
Personally I think they should have wide-screened it regardless off issues...
Why? Are you saying you'd be happy watching it like this?

I mean with all the stuff on the sides of the shot you're basically watching it in 4:3 anyway.

Are you saying that because of one (extreme) examples - the entire series was filmed this way and there was no way most scenes could have been widescreened? There are plenty of examples that don't have the above issues - some can be corrected digitally we're not in '89 anymore.

All the FX was re-done, you're saying it would have been more difficult to do them widescreen?

We shall see how Paramount automagically manages to bring a new re-release once this hits the bargain bin, perhaps with a "mastered in 4K blu-ray release" and the "true 4K/8K release" to squeeze more money out of it...

Regardless of whether or not equipment/crew would be visible in the 'uncropped' version, 'converting' it to widescreen would introduce other issues such as stretching, poor framing (subjects/action would likely be limited to the 4:3 area of a 16:9 frame) or introduce cropping on the top and bottom of the frame to compensate for the alteration.

The series was simply not shot with 16:9 in mind. Changing this would betray the original artistic vision and, in my opinion at least, be akin to George Lucas' constant tinkering with the original Star Wars films.

As for your comments on 4K/8K - if I'm not mistaken these remastered episodes were crafted from 4K scans of the original film negatives downscaled to 1080p, so a 4K re-release is definitely not out of the question and probably wouldn't even be much work assuming the studio had the foresight to render the new CGI at 4K and downscale that also. This method of remastering is pretty common and certainly lends itself to better looking 1080p discs due to the increased detail a 4K scan resolves (compare the original Robocop release to the 4K re-issue). 8K is another story, I'd argue it's pointless, but then I'm not convinced true 4K is worthwhile for home consumption either.

The Blu Ray format allows film and TV creatives the luxury of being able to convey their vision as accurately as possible, without technical concession, and this should be celebrated.

Edited By: BurtBird on Dec 08, 2014 12:50
1 Like #28
BurtBird
Adrian7
reddragon105

Adrian7
Personally I think they should have wide-screened it regardless off issues...
Why? Are you saying you'd be happy watching it like this?

I mean with all the stuff on the sides of the shot you're basically watching it in 4:3 anyway.

Are you saying that because of one (extreme) examples - the entire series was filmed this way and there was no way most scenes could have been widescreened? There are plenty of examples that don't have the above issues - some can be corrected digitally we're not in '89 anymore.

All the FX was re-done, you're saying it would have been more difficult to do them widescreen?

We shall see how Paramount automagically manages to bring a new re-release once this hits the bargain bin, perhaps with a "mastered in 4K blu-ray release" and the "true 4K/8K release" to squeeze more money out of it...

Regardless of whether or not equipment/crew would be visible in the 'uncropped' version, 'converting' it to widescreen would introduce other issues such as stretching, poor framing (subjects/action would likely be limited to the 4:3 area of a 16:9 frame) or introduce cropping on the top and bottom of the frame to compensate for the alteration.

The series was simply not shot with 16:9 in mind. Changing this would betray the original artistic vision and, in my opinion at least, be akin to George Lucas' constant tinkering with the original Star Wars films.

As for your comments on 4K/8K - if I'm not mistaken these remastered episodes were crafted from 4K scans of the original film negatives downscaled to 1080p, so a 4K re-release is definitely not out of the question and probably wouldn't even be much work assuming the studio had the foresight to render the new CGI at 4K and downscale that also. This method of remastering is pretty common and certainly lends itself to better looking 1080p discs due to the increased detail a 4K scan resolves (compare the original Robocop release to the 4K re-issue). 8K is another story, I'd argue it's pointless, but then I'm not convinced true 4K is worthwhile for home consumption either.

The Blu Ray format allows film and TV creatives the luxury of being able to convey their vision as accurately as possible, without technical concession, and this should be celebrated.

It was scanned at 2k so to do a 4k release they would have to do the whole remastering process all over again which ain't going to happen.

Can't believe some thing this is over priced, it's incredible value for 178 episodes.

Edited By: andrewperkins00 on Dec 08, 2014 19:08
#29
BurtBird
Adrian7
reddragon105

Adrian7
Personally I think they should have wide-screened it regardless off issues...
Why? Are you saying you'd be happy watching it like this?

I mean with all the stuff on the sides of the shot you're basically watching it in 4:3 anyway.

Are you saying that because of one (extreme) examples - the entire series was filmed this way and there was no way most scenes could have been widescreened? There are plenty of examples that don't have the above issues - some can be corrected digitally we're not in '89 anymore.

All the FX was re-done, you're saying it would have been more difficult to do them widescreen?

We shall see how Paramount automagically manages to bring a new re-release once this hits the bargain bin, perhaps with a "mastered in 4K blu-ray release" and the "true 4K/8K release" to squeeze more money out of it...

Regardless of whether or not equipment/crew would be visible in the 'uncropped' version, 'converting' it to widescreen would introduce other issues such as stretching, poor framing (subjects/action would likely be limited to the 4:3 area of a 16:9 frame) or introduce cropping on the top and bottom of the frame to compensate for the alteration.

The series was simply not shot with 16:9 in mind. Changing this would betray the original artistic vision and, in my opinion at least, be akin to George Lucas' constant tinkering with the original Star Wars films.

As for your comments on 4K/8K - if I'm not mistaken these remastered episodes were crafted from 4K scans of the original film negatives downscaled to 1080p, so a 4K re-release is definitely not out of the question and probably wouldn't even be much work assuming the studio had the foresight to render the new CGI at 4K and downscale that also. This method of remastering is pretty common and certainly lends itself to better looking 1080p discs due to the increased detail a 4K scan resolves (compare the original Robocop release to the 4K re-issue). 8K is another story, I'd argue it's pointless, but then I'm not convinced true 4K is worthwhile for home consumption either.

The Blu Ray format allows film and TV creatives the luxury of being able to convey their vision as accurately as possible, without technical concession, and this should be celebrated.

I don't think we're going to agree on this: for me wide-screen is a different experience, e.g. Enterprise, ST Movies, Galactica, etc. - once you have it - you cannot go back. I don't think it would have been impossible to do - sure with limitations - but I think it would have been worth it.

Considering the FX were done from scratch then I think we'd agree it does not matter if it were widescreen or 4:3, recent work would all have been widescreen so if anything it may have been more difficult for FX people to adapt to 4:3.

I have read the hundreds of posts in the AVForums and seen the pics, etc. and sure perhaps few takes could be extracted in widescreen directly - but I don't think anyone suggesting "stretching" - but reframing need not be set in stone. From what I read they did not want to change the scenes or the look of the scenes.

Also digital corrections have come a very long way - things like scratch/dirt removal, over/under-exposure, colour correction had to be done anyway and is routinely done to restore very old movies - thus not an impossible process.

I do admit it looks great and it's a big achievement.
1 Like #30
Adrian7
BurtBird
Adrian7
reddragon105

Adrian7
Personally I think they should have wide-screened it regardless off issues...
Why? Are you saying you'd be happy watching it like this?

I mean with all the stuff on the sides of the shot you're basically watching it in 4:3 anyway.

Are you saying that because of one (extreme) examples - the entire series was filmed this way and there was no way most scenes could have been widescreened? There are plenty of examples that don't have the above issues - some can be corrected digitally we're not in '89 anymore.

All the FX was re-done, you're saying it would have been more difficult to do them widescreen?

We shall see how Paramount automagically manages to bring a new re-release once this hits the bargain bin, perhaps with a "mastered in 4K blu-ray release" and the "true 4K/8K release" to squeeze more money out of it...

Regardless of whether or not equipment/crew would be visible in the 'uncropped' version, 'converting' it to widescreen would introduce other issues such as stretching, poor framing (subjects/action would likely be limited to the 4:3 area of a 16:9 frame) or introduce cropping on the top and bottom of the frame to compensate for the alteration.

The series was simply not shot with 16:9 in mind. Changing this would betray the original artistic vision and, in my opinion at least, be akin to George Lucas' constant tinkering with the original Star Wars films.

As for your comments on 4K/8K - if I'm not mistaken these remastered episodes were crafted from 4K scans of the original film negatives downscaled to 1080p, so a 4K re-release is definitely not out of the question and probably wouldn't even be much work assuming the studio had the foresight to render the new CGI at 4K and downscale that also. This method of remastering is pretty common and certainly lends itself to better looking 1080p discs due to the increased detail a 4K scan resolves (compare the original Robocop release to the 4K re-issue). 8K is another story, I'd argue it's pointless, but then I'm not convinced true 4K is worthwhile for home consumption either.

The Blu Ray format allows film and TV creatives the luxury of being able to convey their vision as accurately as possible, without technical concession, and this should be celebrated.

I don't think we're going to agree on this: for me wide-screen is a different experience, e.g. Enterprise, ST Movies, Galactica, etc. - once you have it - you cannot go back. I don't think it would have been impossible to do - sure with limitations - but I think it would have been worth it.

Considering the FX were done from scratch then I think we'd agree it does not matter if it were widescreen or 4:3, recent work would all have been widescreen so if anything it may have been more difficult for FX people to adapt to 4:3.

I have read the hundreds of posts in the AVForums and seen the pics, etc. and sure perhaps few takes could be extracted in widescreen directly - but I don't think anyone suggesting "stretching" - but reframing need not be set in stone. From what I read they did not want to change the scenes or the look of the scenes.

Also digital corrections have come a very long way - things like scratch/dirt removal, over/under-exposure, colour correction had to be done anyway and is routinely done to restore very old movies - thus not an impossible process.

I do admit it looks great and it's a big achievement.

Digital colour correction or the removal of imperfections is a wildly different proposition to re-framing/adapting a 4:3 picture for a 16:9 screen. I'm not saying the technology isn't up to speed - it is - what I am saying is that doing so would be detrimental to the overall product and likely too costly.

As I see it there are a couple of ways the studio could go about adapting the series for 16:9 without introducing stretching/distorting the image:

1) 'Zooming' in on the image until the 4:3 width fills the screen, which would mean the loss of a significant amount of picture information from the top and bottom of the image. As another HUKD member mentioned the original negatives were actually scanned at 2K, not 4K (this is because it was shot on 35mm which can apprently resolve around 2.5K worth of detail) meaning this method would also result in a blurrier sub-1080p image too.

2) Using widescreen material where available (apparently some portions of the show were shot widescreen and pan and scanned to 4:3 in post) and where widescreen footage isn't available (the vast majority) filling out the left/right borders with CGI to complete the 16:9 image. In terms of retaining image clarity, this would probably be the preferred method. Still, as the series was originally shot with 4:3 in mind, you'd be contending with framing/blocking issues - in wide shots you'd likely have all the actors/action taking place in the centre of 4:3 area of the screen and what is essentially redundant space either side, during closer shots portions of faces and bodies (etc) would need to be inserted where they'd been cut-off by the original 4:3 aspect.

I don't see how it's feasible, the amount of work required/cost etc, and it's unrealistic to have expected this IMO.

Don't get me wrong, I agree wholeheartedly that 16:9 is better than 4:3 - but I don't want or expect a studio/distributor to release anything (films or TV) in anything other than its original picture ratio. Film/TV restoration is a tricksy business but I think the treatment of TNG and ToS has been stellar.

Edited By: BurtBird on Dec 10, 2014 15:20
#31
anyone receive theirs for £125 :) ?
#32
For anyone thinking about getting this the individual seasons are not in individual cases instead they are in two huge plastic cases in a box

Pictures here

http://trekcore.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/tng_uk_box2.jpg

Edited By: barneydog on Dec 16, 2014 15:09
#33
chrisgcox3
anyone receive theirs for £125 :) ?

Yes, arrived on Monday :)
#34
Superb, glad they are honouring it

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