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Thomson DT16300-16 Freeview DTR with 160GB HDD - £79.99 delivered @ Argos !

£79.99 @ Argos
Thomson DT16300-16 Freeview DTR with 160GB HDD - £79.99 delivered @ Argos ! FREE delivery until 27th Nov [or] Reserve & collect @ your local Argos store. Top features : 160Gb Hard Disc Drive | U… Read More
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Thomson DT16300-16 Freeview DTR with 160GB HDD - £79.99 delivered @ Argos !

FREE delivery until 27th Nov [or] Reserve & collect @ your local Argos store.

Top features : 160Gb Hard Disc Drive | Up to 80-120 hours recording time | 'Pause Live TV' function | Twin tuner | Record 1/watch another feature | Can record 2 channels at the same time | Series record | Digital audio broadcasting (DAB) | Top up TV campatible
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#1
I really like this box - the series link feature is great! I would say that 80-120 hours recording time is a bit on the optimistic side of things tho - only manage to get 65 max out of mine... Great box tho and as close to Sky+ as you're gonna get for Freeview :thumbsup:
#2
Few bad reviews on amazon, think i'll give it a miss.

Good price though!
#3
Does anyone know if this works for Virginmedia? Actually does any PVR works with virginmedia or do i need to get V+ for that kinda thing?

Thanks!!
#4
I think you are stuck with Virgin's proprietory hardware mate. AFAIK, this box is freeview only.
#5
not_the_messiah
I think you are stuck with Virgin's proprietory hardware mate. AFAIK, this box is freeview only.


Aw man!! Oh well, cheers for that mate! :thumbsup:
#6
I posted this in another thread last week either in this forum or I got the info from this forum first :roll:

Up until last week you could also get the setanta starter pack for free - worth £20. If you also added it to your order. I see it no longer works and that the Setanta pack has been reduced to £9.99
banned#7
AVOID! I have tested out several HDD recorders and this one was the worst of them all.
#8
Bad reviews on this one pretty much everywhere. Noisy, unreliable and bad picture quality.

Shame, it would have made a good Christmas pressie
#9
I've got it and it's great. Only thing I'd say is that the hard drive doesn't record 120 hours of your choice of TV, the majority of that capacity seems to be for Top UP TV, which now 'downloads' itself to your box, and is stored for so many days for you to watch at your leisure (correct me if I'm wrong). However it has enough capacity for me. Oh and the guide is a bit annoying, as you can't have the TV playing in the background while scrolling through the guide. Other than that it's great, the remote control is just like the sky plus one, and the reception is great. Ability to pause and rewind TV still a bit lost on my parents, (they still watch the adverts on stuff they've recorded!:giggle: ) but I think it's great.
#10
ianrobertson01
AVOID! I have tested out several HDD recorders and this one was the worst of them all.


I've had it since August with no problems. The picture quality is identical to the original broadcast (to my eyes) and it's simple to use.

I have always found Thomson products to be quite reasonable quality for the price paid.
#11
This is slightly cheaper on amazon.co.uk! http://www.amazon.co.uk/Thomson-Top-Up-TV-Plus/dp/B000TVHZLC/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1196073042&sr=8-1 £78.95 from amazon with free delivery!!!
banned#12
Snomaes
I've had it since August with no problems. The picture quality is identical to the original broadcast (to my eyes) and it's simple to use.

I have always found Thomson products to be quite reasonable quality for the price paid.



No sorry they are complete rubbish and a waste of money. If it has not broke down yet it will shortly I can assure you of that.
#13
tech question for the enlightened ones: can a freeview box purchased in the UK work in a french or german freeview system? My auntie lives in france and it could be a nice christmas present. thanks
#14
dudedude
Bad reviews on this one pretty much everywhere. Noisy, unreliable and bad picture quality.

Shame, it would have made a good Christmas pressie


Picture quality is tip top pal - not sure where that review was coming from... As far as reliablility goes, from my own experience in the 2 months I have had it, it has failed to record twice but since then, no problems at all... Noisy, not really - prob too loud to have in ones bedroom, but fine in the lounge...

Just my two penneth, but this box really isn't as bad as people are making it out to be...
1 Like #15
ianrobertson01
No sorry they are complete rubbish and a waste of money. If it has not broke down yet it will shortly I can assure you of that.


I dont think any manufacturer would leave a product on sale if it was guaranteed to break down. The warranty claims would make it unviable and it would be cheaper to modify the machine to eliminate the common fault, or discontinue the product if this is not an option. I can only offer an opinion based on my experience.

I understand that you have had problems with this product, but you cannot 'assure me' that I will have a problem. If I do, I will defer to your claims, if not I will continue to use a reliable (to date) and user-friendly machine.
#16
carperkm
I've got it and it's great. Only thing I'd say is that the hard drive doesn't record 120 hours of your choice of TV, the majority of that capacity seems to be for Top UP TV


No forget that, i've just found out that you can make all of the hard drive space available if you don't subscribe to Top Up TV, which I don't. Just deactivate the channels on the 'Customise Top Up TV' section in the menus.
#17
not_the_messiah
Picture quality is tip top pal - not sure where that review was coming from...


Plenty on avforums complaining
#18
dudedude
Plenty on avforums complaining


Well I can only go from my own experience, but the quality on the recordings is as good as I have seen watching live from any standard freeview box. It is definitely better than the quality through a standard Sky box...
#19
Of the few problems that there are, picture quality certainly isn't one.
#20
dudedude
Plenty on avforums complaining


I would be interested to see for myself what the PQ is like. I dont think the issue is with the recording quality (all PVR's using uncompressed data should have pretty much the same PQ as live TV) I think the issue is with what the overall PQ. It may be that people are being hard on this and comparing the PQ against top notch boxes such as the Humax, Topfield or Sony. Some people think the cheapo £20 freeview boxes have a great picture but the trained eye or someone who has a superior freeview box to compare against can start to see the flaws.

The review here suggests "pictures are mediocre" ->
http://www.homecinemachoice.com/pdfs/WHC/059/WHC_059_049.pdf

And as some (not all) of the people on avforums have complained about PQ - there may be something in it.

As I said I would like to see the PQ for myself - I am thinking it may not be great PQ but average and at £80 for a PVR represents great value (if the bugs are not too major).
#21
Can somebody please confirm how the recording feature on this works?

If I set up a series link or stand alone recording on it, let's say after 2 days and then power it down (not-standby) for the next 1 day and then bring it up again and keep it on (noisy) standby for the day when the recording is supposed to take place, will it still 'remember' that it's got to record the said program? or is the recording memory lost when the box is powered down!?

Thanks!
1 Like #22
I had this box for 2 weeks before returning it. My main gripe was with the fan noise as the thing will not turn off, even when the box is in standby. And it's not that where I have it it's warm as the Sky+ below it has never had its fan come on. Not only is this annoying when the TV is off, it's obtrusive on 'quieter' TV. Last week we had to turn up Cranford just to hear it over the noise.

However, its fan is a lot quieter than a PC's is and, if you can place it in a cabinet, you can reduce much of the noise and (as a friend of mine has found) it's perfectly acceptable.

If you're in a weak signal area many have found problems with the picture skipping - I found this as well. And, of all the Freeview receivers I've had (and I've still got an OnDigital Pioneer!) this has the worst picture quality of them all, but that could be down to it not handling weak signals as well as the others.

The main plus is its software. Simply the best there is out there at the moment with a fully working series link with auto-padding and a 15 day EPG. But the noise and PQ were such minuses for me that I took it back.

My advice is get it from somewhere which has a no quibble return policy - Argos' isn't valid for this product - and judge for yourself. My local John Lewis (Southampton) has it in store at £79.99.
#23
scoobies

I would be interested to see for myself what the PQ is like. I dont think the issue is with the recording quality (all PVR's using uncompressed data should have pretty much the same PQ as live TV) I think the issue is with what the overall PQ. It may be that people are being hard on this and comparing the PQ against top notch boxes such as the Humax, Topfield or Sony.



I'm comparing it against the built-in tuner on my ancient-ish Toshiba CRT, a positively antediluvian Pioneer OnDigital box, a 2 y.o. Pioneer DVD/PVR, and the Onn-branded Vestel clone from Asda. All of them are better but I do live in a weak signal area so it might be that that's the problem.

As you say, it's best to look for yourself so get it from one of the no-quibble return suppliers. If you're happy with the PQ then it's good enough.
#24
You can buy this from Argos and have a fiddle with it, I bought one last year but was unimpressed with picture quality and the fan noise.

These CAN be returned to Argos no problem, the Argos catalogue and website still states that these units support Digital audio broadcasting (DAB) and Digital Subtitles. Both comments are untrue, the unit doesn't receive DAB and there is no funtionality for Digital Subtitles. Argos took mine back on these grounds.
#25
APil
I'm comparing it against the built-in tuner on my ancient-ish Toshiba CRT, a positively antediluvian Pioneer OnDigital box, a 2 y.o. Pioneer DVD/PVR, and the Onn-branded Vestel clone from Asda. All of them are better but I do live in a weak signal area so it might be that that's the problem.

As you say, it's best to look for yourself so get it from one of the no-quibble return suppliers. If you're happy with the PQ then it's good enough.




Thanks APil - You have just confirmed it for me and that is enough of a comparison. Having a below par PQ would annoy me (I can be anal :-D ). It is really tempting for me who has a single tuner Humax 8000T and looking for twin tuner and Setanta. This would have been a really cheap route. Now it's down to either the Humax 9200t or V+.
#26
djgrazy
You can buy this from Argos and have a fiddle with it, I bought one last year but was unimpressed with picture quality and the fan noise.

These CAN be returned to Argos no problem, the Argos catalogue and website still states that these units support Digital audio broadcasting (DAB) and Digital Subtitles. Both comments are untrue, the unit doesn't receive DAB and there is no funtionality for Digital Subtitles. Argos took mine back on these grounds.


Erm, I am sure DAB is broadcast over Freeview and even the simplest of Freeview boxes can pick this up. Whilst I have not actually tried to pick up a DAB station on it, I would be EXTREMELY surprised if it didn't...

Sorry to keep on about it, but going back to the PQ, if you are happy with standard Sky Digital (not plus or HD, although I don't think plus PQ is any different to standard), then this is actually better from what I have experienced...
#27
Skullcam
Nope that would be Freeview radio using DVB-T http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeview.

DAB is Digital Audio Broadcasting, a completely different system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Broadcasting.

HTH


Ok, fair enough - but why does it matter if you recieve DAB or DVB-T? Same content ain't it?
#28
Snomaes
I dont think any manufacturer would leave a product on sale if it was guaranteed to break down. The warranty claims would make it unviable and it would be cheaper to modify the machine to eliminate the common fault, or discontinue the product if this is not an option.


Someone should tell microsoft that - the 360 is the worst designed piece of hardware I've ever encountered, with some people going through 4 or 5 of them.

I don't know about the reliability of these boxes, but the picture quality isn't the best. It's not as bad as I've seen some people claim but it's certainly not good.

The noise is also an issue too (especially if you don't like having to turn up your amp to drown it out during quiet parts of a show).
#29
I think I've worked it out now. The picture quality is perfectly adequate for people who simply watch TV without getting all 'techy'. The only people who aren't happy with it are those who have improved their systems (ie turning up the amp, most of us turn up the volume!), and, as has been admitted, get a bit anal about it. Sorry if this offends some people, but in the context of this website, which is after all about finding bargains, some people are being a bit picky. These comments would be perfectly acceptable and very helpful on another forum, but maybe we need to think about who will be reading this.
#30
I've got a Humax PVR 9200T, for me nothing else comes close, and with an update for Freeview playback 2 coming in mid January via OTA update this model will then have series link too!!!

[URL=More info on Humax OTA update ]http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=699694[/URL]

The Humax might be more expensive but its worth it.

Humax's new product website [URL=Here]http://www.humaxdirect.co.uk/[/URL]
#31
I agree with Bisto34.

For the sake of saving £70 on the cost of the ultra reliable Humax, this point makes it a relatively cold deal. Yes its much more money, but in this case you really get what you pay for with the Humax (apart from the slow USB data transfer of course!)
#32
Toybhoy
Does anyone know if this works for Virginmedia? Actually does any PVR works with virginmedia or do i need to get V+ for that kinda thing?

Thanks!!


Why would you want this PVR when you could get V+ for £75?
http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117715
banned#33
I have one of these and its not quite as good as my SKY hd box, yet again I dont need to pay the high prices sky charge.

Picture quality is fine and the noise is 5x lower than than the SKY hd box.

For the price it does what it does and its not bad. For god sake its £80, picture quality is as good as my £500 dvd recorder i bought last year by pannasonic.
#34
Got one of these yesterday, its not noisy at all, the menu for the channels is presentable, regarding the picture quality this is bright and good quality
#35
Snomaes
I dont think any manufacturer would leave a product on sale if it was guaranteed to break down.


So every manufacturer is honest! :roll: LOL

I can assure you that some manufacturers as well as some retailers continue to sell items knowing that they are of poor quality and have a high failure and return rate. I've been working in retail selling AV equipment for quite some time now.

There are numerous places where anyone can read a vast quantity of extremely bad reviews from places such as Digital Spy Forums and Amazon.co.uk. It's a joke that this has been voted hot because most of these hot voters will not of owned this model. Take my advice AVOID this model.

If you care for real quality, look at the Humax PVR9200TB 160GB Digital TV Recorder which has dual freeview tuners. You can record 2 different freeview channels and watch a recording all at the same time. Yes, the Humax PVR9200TB is twice the cost as the Thomson but I believe it's worth every extra penny.

You may put up with the Thomson's noise. You may accept that it will not always record when it should. You may even find the picture to be fine if it's linked up to a small screen but when it packs up completely I hope your guarantee hasn't run out or dishonoured. Many of the problems will be intermittent and will be difficult to prove. Either way the Thomson will give you plenty of hassle sooner or later.
#36
greyhorse
picture quality is as good as my £500 dvd recorder i bought last year by pannasonic.

I should hope the picture quality is much, much, MUCH better than any dvd recorder (£50, £500 or £5000). DVD recorders are analogue and as such the picture quality is massively inferior to even the worst freeview pvr.

carperkm
I think I've worked it out now. The picture quality is perfectly adequate for people who simply watch TV without getting all 'techy'.
I'd imagine you are right - this would be perfect for someone who sits down and watches 30mins of tv a day.

The only people who aren't happy with it are those who have improved their systems (ie turning up the amp, most of us turn up the volume!)
LOL there is nothing improved or "techy" about turning up the amp - my grandad was using that phrase 25years ago and he was a massive technophobe. Most people turn up the tv, or turn up the stereo if they run their audio through that. The part of the tv (or hifi, or home cinema kit) that runs the audio is obviously the amp. using the correct term for something doesn't make it techy.

this website, which is after all about finding bargains, some people are being a bit picky.

A bargain is something that is good value for money (not that this pvr isn't). something thats cheap isn't a bargain just because it is cheap. People will point out faults (and good points) of items and then people can decide if it's a bargain for them. For me this pvr isn't a bargain (nor any other thats currently available). For others (the people you mentioned earlier who likely still use a dvd-recorder or even vhs) it will be a magnificent bargain.
#37
retropolis

If you care for real quality, look at the Humax PVR9200TB 160GB Digital TV Recorder which has dual freeview tuners. You can record 2 different freeview channels and watch a recording all at the same time. Yes, the Humax PVR9200TB is twice the cost as the Thomson but I believe it's worth every extra penny.


So - the Thomson has the same function at half the price!

retropolis


You may put up with the Thomson's noise.


This noise thing really is being exaggerated. Unless you sit watching TV with the volume turned off, you can't even hear the noise!

retropolis

You may accept that it will not always record when it should. You may even find the picture to be fine if it's linked up to a small screen but when it packs up completely I hope your guarantee hasn't run out or dishonoured. Many of the problems will be intermittent and will be difficult to prove. Either way the Thomson will give you plenty of hassle sooner or later.


It's always recorded when set and I have no adverse comments to make about the quality of the picture on my 28" widescreen.

I've never had any problems with receiving my money back for truly bad machines being returned under warranty, in fact I have even had repair work carried out on machines 5 years outside warranty FOC (Meile, can't be beaten for customer service!).

I just wanted a reasonably priced twin-tuner PVR with a decent picture and sound quality.
Perhaps my eyes and ears are more worn than average and I am not looking for perfection?
#38
Deleted User Name 3
I should hope the picture quality is much, much, MUCH better than any dvd recorder (£50, £500 or £5000). DVD recorders are analogue and as such the picture quality is massively inferior to even the worst freeview pvr.


Wrong! Most current selling DVD recorders have (Freeview) Digital Tuners built in.
#39
Snomaes
So - the Thomson has the same function at half the price!



This noise thing really is being exaggerated. Unless you sit watching TV with the volume turned off, you can't even hear the noise!



It's always recorded when set and I have no adverse comments to make about the quality of the picture on my 28" widescreen.

I've never had any problems with receiving my money back for truly bad machines being returned under warranty, in fact I have even had repair work carried out on machines 5 years outside warranty FOC (Meile, can't be beaten for customer service!).

I just wanted a reasonably priced twin-tuner PVR with a decent picture and sound quality.
Perhaps my eyes and ears are more worn than average and I am not looking for perfection?


All fair comments Snomaes!
#40
I wish I was happy with the one I used to own!

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