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These have been great for our daughter. Recently been telling someone about them in 'ask' so I thought Id post them here as they are great, cheap and IMO better than travel sick tablets. There is a pack of 4 bands for £2.29

Drug free, travel wrist bands are ideal for holiday & travel
knitted elasticated wrist band operates by applying pressure on the Nei Kuan acupressure point
They are suitable for both adults & children & may be washed up to 5 times without losing elasticity
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I'm sorry, but these are 'magic' bands with no evidence of efficacy and plenty of evidence that they are nothing more than placebo. No-one, the manufacturers included, has ever been able to prove, under reasonable, controlled conditions, that these are a anything more than wishful thinking.
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The point is that they don't 'work for some people'; some people mistakenly attribute their improvement to a band which has no plausible mechanism of working. In double-blinded trials these were no more successful than a piece of elastic on the wrist or other placebos.

For those who say 'what's the harm', the harm is that you're giving money to a company which is knowingly selling products that simply do not work, subsequently increasing the market for woo, much of which is very harmful indeed.

Before responding to this, look up 'placebo' and the reason that anecdotal evidence is fundamentally unreliable.
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Please keep the thread serious.

These aren't fake. Those questioning their effectiveness need a reality check.

For them to work the wearer must be aligned with the ether of the cosmos. Easily done if you teleport to the planet raigonn in the caledi system and activate the scribe of mukatr. You then return home by clicking your heels 3 times.

As well as preventing travel sickness they also imbue the wearer with the power of odin. This isn't mentioned in the product information.
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Can't wear these. I get wrist band sickness.
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BadPseudonym
I'm sorry, but these are 'magic' bands with no evidence of efficacy and plenty of evidence that they are nothing more than placebo. No-one, the manufacturers included, has ever been able to prove, under reasonable, controlled conditions, that these are a anything more than wishful thinking.

We have tried and tested them and they were brilliant. There are lots of reviews on Amazon saying the same. No one is saying they are 'magic'. No likey, no buyie! :p

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I'm sorry, but these are 'magic' bands with no evidence of efficacy and plenty of evidence that they are nothing more than placebo. No-one, the manufacturers included, has ever been able to prove, under reasonable, controlled conditions, that these are a anything more than wishful thinking.
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BadPseudonym
I'm sorry, but these are 'magic' bands with no evidence of efficacy and plenty of evidence that they are nothing more than placebo. No-one, the manufacturers included, has ever been able to prove, under reasonable, controlled conditions, that these are a anything more than wishful thinking.

We have tried and tested them and they were brilliant. There are lots of reviews on Amazon saying the same. No one is saying they are 'magic'. No likey, no buyie! :p
1 Like #4
Best thing by far for travel sickness are ginger tablets, have tried these bands and made no difference for me.
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All I can go on is the way they helped my daughter. She recently went to NYC. She was on a coach for 9 hours, then a long flight. She is normally sick going 2 hours in the car. Using these she was fine.
When we went to Egypt last year I did not know about these, I gave her travel sick tablets and they actually made her feel ill. These are a no brainer for us, but everyone is different.
6 Likes #6
You can get these in poundland for a set of two, although good price if you aren't near one. Might be a placebo effect, but I used them successfully for years, and so does my daughter. If it works, I don't really care how!
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kdb550
Best thing by far for travel sickness are ginger tablets, have tried these bands and made no difference for me.

Agreed.
1 Like #8
they are magic they woeked for me with pregnancy I was sick all the time bought these an it stopped my sickness wore them the rest of my pregnancy fantastic
banned 5 Likes #9
Oh my god magic wrist bands whatever next! HUKD reaches a new low...
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All in the head...
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Ordered thanks. I always get car sickness and often forget to take the meds in time before travelling so if I leave a band in each car then I don't need to worry about taking the meds if they work. My friend swore by them during her pregnancy so at this price there's no harm in trying :) thanks very much OP :)
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sparklehedgehog
All in the head...
Most things are which is why Hypnotherapy and CBT work for many people. However these work for my daughter and many others. The alternative of travel sickness is not nice. Given the choice a couple of quid for something that works.
No brainer.
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Ordered thanks
#14
Worked for me during pregnancy
#15
these things are a waste of time
#16
snowflake75
these things are a waste of time

Obviously not to everyone.
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The point is that they don't 'work for some people'; some people mistakenly attribute their improvement to a band which has no plausible mechanism of working. In double-blinded trials these were no more successful than a piece of elastic on the wrist or other placebos.

For those who say 'what's the harm', the harm is that you're giving money to a company which is knowingly selling products that simply do not work, subsequently increasing the market for woo, much of which is very harmful indeed.

Before responding to this, look up 'placebo' and the reason that anecdotal evidence is fundamentally unreliable.
#18
They work for my son. Even if they are placebo, I believe they are enough to stop him feeling queasy. I also used them during pregnancy and whilst they didn't stop the nausea they did stop me from actually being sick. Don't know how they work, but they do.

I remember reading that school teachers often make travel-sick children sit on a newspaper and it stops them throwing up - I presume that's a placebo?
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Id rather give my child these than tablets. No side effects and worked well for her.
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Can't wear these. I get wrist band sickness.
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Worked 4 me in pregnancy
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BadPseudonym
I'm sorry, but these are 'magic' bands with no evidence of efficacy and plenty of evidence that they are nothing more than placebo. No-one, the manufacturers included, has ever been able to prove, under reasonable, controlled conditions, that these are a anything more than wishful thinking.
What you said is pure ****. Soory for the harsh words but this has been life changing for my child who had debilitating travel sickness sometimes within a mile of travelling for many years.

LOADS OF DOCTORS INCLUDING ME HAVE USED THEM FOR PATIENTS AND FAMILY ON NUMEROUS OCCASSIONS HERE AND ABROAD. Loads of medical books and journals have references to them. Nausea and vomitting is multifactorial and there wont be a single bullet that cures or controls it but this band certainly helps many. See amazon reviews by many.

My child couldnt have a placebo affect as she even used used to start vomitting even if fast asleep. Are you trying to tell me a 2y or 3y old child had placebo affect and when earlier couldnt travel for 3y without vomitting and now can travel without any drugs. Child didnt even know the word vomitting and would just cry and later could tell us tummy hurts and would vomit occassionally even in the 1 mile trip to nursery. Drugs used to make her unsteady on her feet so avoided drugs and didnt go anywhere for almost 3y. Yes didnt go anywhere for almost 3y and lived as recluses as child would get unwell while travelling or end up travelling occassionally and having to take multiple changes of clothes and line the car with disposable bed mats and take a roll of bin bags and multiple sickness bags. Now yes she has wrist bands always and never any medicines and have removed even bed mats from car seat etc. Child herself requests wrist band as she has learnt she feels better with it.

I know several who feel better using it. Its not any medicine and no side effect and just costs under 2£.

It wont help every one but many will be helped. So stop spouting nonsense. I have even used these on poor chemotherapy patients abroad who couldnt afford loads of medicines and were helped by these wrist bands. For the poor we would show them how to make their own using common wrist bands and adding a bead like this. Beads can be smooth or spiky. It helps some with pregnancy induced sickness too as told to me by many antenatal patients who use them.
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i got the three pack version http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B008KYA1VQ as child has already lost a few. so keep one in each car and a spare as it would be unthinkable going anywhere far without this. Even trip to nearby hospital i would have to stop a few times because of childs sickness.
#24
bubblesmoney
BadPseudonym
I'm sorry, but these are 'magic' bands with no evidence of efficacy and plenty of evidence that they are nothing more than placebo. No-one, the manufacturers included, has ever been able to prove, under reasonable, controlled conditions, that these are a anything more than wishful thinking.
What you said is pure ****. Soory for the harsh words but this has been life changing for my child who had debilitating travel sickness sometimes within a mile of travelling for many years.

LOADS OF DOCTORS INCLUDING ME HAVE USED THEM FOR PATIENTS AND FAMILY ON NUMEROUS OCCASSIONS HERE AND ABROAD. Loads of medical books and journals have references to them. Nausea and vomitting is multifactorial and there wont be a single bullet that cures or controls it but this band certainly helps many. See amazon reviews by many.

My child couldnt have a placebo affect as she even used used to start vomitting even if fast asleep. Are you trying to tell me a 2y or 3y old child had placebo affect and when earlier couldnt travel for 3y without vomitting and now can travel without any drugs. Child didnt even know the word vomitting and would just cry and later could tell us tummy hurts and would vomit occassionally even in the 1 mile trip to nursery. Drugs used to make her unsteady on her feet so avoided drugs and didnt go anywhere for almost 3y. Yes didnt go anywhere for almost 3y and lived as recluses as child would get unwell while travelling or end up travelling occassionally and having to take multiple changes of clothes and line the car with disposable bed mats and take a roll of bin bags and multiple sickness bags. Now yes she has wrist bands always and never any medicines and have removed even bed mats from car seat etc. Child herself requests wrist band as she has learnt she feels better with it.

I know several who feel better using it. Its not any medicine and no side effect and just costs under 2£.

It wont help every one but many will be helped. So stop spouting nonsense. I have even used these on poor chemotherapy patients abroad who couldnt afford loads of medicines and were helped by these wrist bands. For the poor we would show them how to make their own using common wrist bands and adding a bead like this. Beads can be smooth or spiky. It helps some with pregnancy induced sickness too as told to me by many antenatal patients who use them.


I can argue back it's still placebo a so called doctor would know that, my GP aunty and uncle plus pharmacist partner put no faith in the 'medical' powers of travel sickness bands. No doubt it was the words of the doctor parent put this on for mummy/daddy and this will make you feel so much better that convinced them it works. Placebo is a fantastic thing but putting faith in the voodoo principle that there is actually any medical prowess behind it is "pure **** Soory"
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Why can't people understand that some things work for some people and maybe not others. Surely the point of HUKD is finding deals?? Thats what this is, its a very good price. If its cheaper elsewhere, post a link. This site is not about voting cold or slating a product because you don't agree with it? if you don't like it, don't buy it, simple!
banned 4 Likes #26
lol 'loads of medical books and journals have references to them'
Funniest and maddest thread on here in ages.
If you're a parent allowing your children to use these then you're a bad parent for promoting magical thinking, abandonment of reason and a pre-scientific mindset.
LMAO
#27
hocka
Why can't people understand that some things work for some people and maybe not others. Surely the point of HUKD is finding deals?? Thats what this is, its a very good price. If its cheaper elsewhere, post a link. This site is not about voting cold or slating a product because you don't agree with it? if you don't like it, don't buy it, simple!

It is about finding/sharing deals for products of good value. As you have fallen for the placebo effect great for you but the majority will have wasted money on a product not fit for purpose, people come here to save money not waste it. Just because it is cheaper on Amazon doesn't make it a good deal. The £1.39 would be better spent on generic travel sickness pills or even ginger which have been medically proven to work rather than tat which will be thrown in the drawer for the majority of people
#28
Just back from Amazon / Machu Pichu these bands were an absolute waste of time. Stick to normal jungle formula mosqitoe repellant and make sure you have an plug in one for the hotel rooms
http://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/B000VE2OV8/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1
#29
BarmyBulldog
hocka
Why can't people understand that some things work for some people and maybe not others. Surely the point of HUKD is finding deals?? Thats what this is, its a very good price. If its cheaper elsewhere, post a link. This site is not about voting cold or slating a product because you don't agree with it? if you don't like it, don't buy it, simple!

It is about finding/sharing deals for products of good value. As you have fallen for the placebo effect great for you but the majority will have wasted money on a product not fit for purpose, people come here to save money not waste it. Just because it is cheaper on Amazon doesn't make it a good deal. The £1.39 would be better spent on generic travel sickness pills or even ginger which have been medically proven to work rather than tat which will be thrown in the drawer for the majority of people

:D
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WillieGallimore
lol 'loads of medical books and journals have references to them'
Funniest and maddest thread on here in ages.
If you're a parent allowing your children to use these then you're a bad parent for promoting magical thinking, abandonment of reason and a pre-scientific mindset.
LMAO


Exactly! So many people here don't seem to understand the meaning of the term 'placebo'. It doesn't simply mean that you're feeling better because you think you should be; that can happen, but often it's because we fall for the 'post-hoc, ergo propter hoc' (after this, therefore because of this) logical fallacy. Is it more likely that the physical world as we know it is all wrong and that somehow a button attached to a piece of elastic casually pressing on your wrist stopped you feeling sick, or that you were going to stop feeling sick anyway, but because you were wearing the band you attributed your improvement to the band?

Just like homeopathy, it doesn't 'work for some people', it doesn't work for anyone. Some people, because they misunderstand the evidence, attribute magical powers to it.
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BarmyBulldog
bubblesmoney
BadPseudonym
I'm sorry, but these are 'magic' bands with no evidence of efficacy and plenty of evidence that they are nothing more than placebo. No-one, the manufacturers included, has ever been able to prove, under reasonable, controlled conditions, that these are a anything more than wishful thinking.
What you said is pure ****. Soory for the harsh words but this has been life changing for my child who had debilitating travel sickness sometimes within a mile of travelling for many years.

LOADS OF DOCTORS INCLUDING ME HAVE USED THEM FOR PATIENTS AND FAMILY ON NUMEROUS OCCASSIONS HERE AND ABROAD. Loads of medical books and journals have references to them. Nausea and vomitting is multifactorial and there wont be a single bullet that cures or controls it but this band certainly helps many. See amazon reviews by many.

My child couldnt have a placebo affect as she even used used to start vomitting even if fast asleep. Are you trying to tell me a 2y or 3y old child had placebo affect and when earlier couldnt travel for 3y without vomitting and now can travel without any drugs. Child didnt even know the word vomitting and would just cry and later could tell us tummy hurts and would vomit occassionally even in the 1 mile trip to nursery. Drugs used to make her unsteady on her feet so avoided drugs and didnt go anywhere for almost 3y. Yes didnt go anywhere for almost 3y and lived as recluses as child would get unwell while travelling or end up travelling occassionally and having to take multiple changes of clothes and line the car with disposable bed mats and take a roll of bin bags and multiple sickness bags. Now yes she has wrist bands always and never any medicines and have removed even bed mats from car seat etc. Child herself requests wrist band as she has learnt she feels better with it.

I know several who feel better using it. Its not any medicine and no side effect and just costs under 2£.

It wont help every one but many will be helped. So stop spouting nonsense. I have even used these on poor chemotherapy patients abroad who couldnt afford loads of medicines and were helped by these wrist bands. For the poor we would show them how to make their own using common wrist bands and adding a bead like this. Beads can be smooth or spiky. It helps some with pregnancy induced sickness too as told to me by many antenatal patients who use them.


I can argue back it's still placebo a so called doctor would know that, my GP aunty and uncle plus pharmacist partner put no faith in the 'medical' powers of travel sickness bands. No doubt it was the words of the doctor parent put this on for mummy/daddy and this will make you feel so much better that convinced them it works. Placebo is a fantastic thing but putting faith in the voodoo principle that there is actually any medical prowess behind it is "pure **** Soory"
You can argue till the cows come home.

No "research" will ever be run for a non patent cheap as chips non medical product and run a randomised control trial against costly drugs that are covered by patents and backed by multinational companies and have "research teams" staffed by hundreds of staff exclusively employed for ""research"" by the many companies doing ""medical research"" in the UK hubs at macclesfield / birmingham / london are running research for global companies and head hunting prominnent medical writers for heading their "research". Any one who is any one and knows people who work in these companies (i have friends employed for years in full time medical research in the UK and USA working for those multinational companies) know to some extent how "medical research" works. Running medical research firms is big business, I know researchers for those companies and also saw how they worked abroad recruiting patients in poor countries for drug trials. Most of the initial trials will always be in poor countries where they can get results that the company wants.

werent the same research teams cooking up the benefits of drugs like vioxx etc and which later went down the pan. see http://retractionwatch.com/ for more peer reviewed publications that later get retracted. and read more at http://scientific-misconduct.blogspot.co.uk/

So you can argue about placebo affect till the cows come home. I myself will say this wont help every one but can help some greatly and many to some extent. Even my child can still occassionally get sick if on a full stomach even with these bands on long journeys with winding roads but much better with the bands.

I have used these abroad (decades ago when there were no ready manufactured nausea bands abroad in a developing country so we made our own or taught them how to make their own) on people who were bed ridden with chemotherapy sickness and who were walking about with these bands. Those patients were too poor to buy many medicines and we would teach them how to make their own bands or make it for them ourselves with our own money (during my time volunteering working a palliative therapy clinic for terminal cancer patients and others with svere chronic pain related issues) as no hospital will buy them because every drug purchase committee will have pharmacy connected people and same in regulatory bodies which will be choc a block with industry affiliated or connected people.

So yes I agree to your point about lack of randomised control trials but disagree on your comment about efficacy and whole heartedly recommend this as an inexpensive adjunct or aid in controlling travel sickness and PONV and chemotherapy induced vomitting and pregnancy induced vomitting. After all it costs just a little more than a box of paracetamol and you wont be clogging up GP slots for medicines or having adverse effects of medicines and even if it helps a few on here I am happy to have said my side of things. Cheers.

Edited By: bubblesmoney on Jun 24, 2014 23:40: edit
#32
BadPseudonym
WillieGallimore
lol 'loads of medical books and journals have references to them'
Funniest and maddest thread on here in ages.
If you're a parent allowing your children to use these then you're a bad parent for promoting magical thinking, abandonment of reason and a pre-scientific mindset.
LMAO

Exactly! So many people here don't seem to understand the meaning of the term 'placebo'. It doesn't simply mean that you're feeling better because you think you should be; that can happen, but often it's because we fall for the 'post-hoc, ergo propter hoc' (after this, therefore because of this) logical fallacy. Is it more likely that the physical world as we know it is all wrong and that somehow a button attached to a piece of elastic casually pressing on your wrist stopped you feeling sick, or that you were going to stop feeling sick anyway, but because you were wearing the band you attributed your improvement to the band?

Just like homeopathy, it doesn't 'work for some people', it doesn't work for anyone. Some people, because they misunderstand the evidence, attribute magical powers to it.
DO you even know that the NHS offers in NHS funded referral pain clinics accupuncture and accupressure for intractable pain and nausea etc. Have you seen the severe cases that every one has given up on and on every drug on the planet has failed. Having actually been in such clinics in a paid capacity accompanying the lead person doing it It does help some people. I dont mean any person doing it I mean people with several medical (UK) qualifications and fellowships and super specialisations and they use it in their referal NHS funded pain clinics.
#33
BadPseudonym
I'm sorry, but these are 'magic' bands with no evidence of efficacy and plenty of evidence that they are nothing more than placebo. No-one, the manufacturers included, has ever been able to prove, under reasonable, controlled conditions, that these are a anything more than wishful thinking.
I use these for travel sickness, and I also used them for morning sickness. They are the only things that help for travel sickness, and I won't go on long journeys without them. They're fantastic.
3 Likes #34
WillieGallimore
lol 'loads of medical books and journals have references to them'
Funniest and maddest thread on here in ages.
If you're a parent allowing your children to use these then you're a bad parent for promoting magical thinking, abandonment of reason and a pre-scientific mindset.
LMAO
Indeed its a wierd thread as seems to have got the nutters of HUKD out in force. Where as some want to help their kids over come their bad travel sickness but others with no clue like you come out spouting 'bad parenting' !!! I guess it was my bad parenting that sorted out the treatment that worked when GPs and consultant hospital specialists couldnt sort it out with medicines for my child.

Guess my encouragement of magical thinking must be the reason why my child is 4 - 5 stages ahead with reading skills than the ones dished out in school!

Keep up the good work on this thread. I have better things to do as have said my bit on this thread and hope what I said helps some people who might benefit from this. Cheers.
#35
bubblesmoney
WillieGallimore
lol 'loads of medical books and journals have references to them'
Funniest and maddest thread on here in ages.
If you're a parent allowing your children to use these then you're a bad parent for promoting magical thinking, abandonment of reason and a pre-scientific mindset.
LMAO
Indeed its a wierd thread as seems to have got the nutters of HUKD out in force. Where as some want to help their kids over come their bad travel sickness but others with no clue like you come out spouting 'bad parenting' !!! I guess it was my bad parenting that sorted out the treatment that worked when GPs and consultant hospital specialists couldnt sort it out with medicines for my child.

Guess my encouragement of magical thinking must be the reason why my child is 4 - 5 stages ahead with reading skills than the ones dished out in school!

Keep up the good work on this thread. I have better things to do as have said my bit on this thread and hope what I said helps some people who might benefit from this. Cheers.

Well said xx
#36
bubblesmoney
BarmyBulldog
bubblesmoney
BadPseudonym
I'm sorry, but these are 'magic' bands with no evidence of efficacy and plenty of evidence that they are nothing more than placebo. No-one, the manufacturers included, has ever been able to prove, under reasonable, controlled conditions, that these are a anything more than wishful thinking.
What you said is pure ****. Soory for the harsh words but this has been life changing for my child who had debilitating travel sickness sometimes within a mile of travelling for many years.

LOADS OF DOCTORS INCLUDING ME HAVE USED THEM FOR PATIENTS AND FAMILY ON NUMEROUS OCCASSIONS HERE AND ABROAD. Loads of medical books and journals have references to them. Nausea and vomitting is multifactorial and there wont be a single bullet that cures or controls it but this band certainly helps many. See amazon reviews by many.

My child couldnt have a placebo affect as she even used used to start vomitting even if fast asleep. Are you trying to tell me a 2y or 3y old child had placebo affect and when earlier couldnt travel for 3y without vomitting and now can travel without any drugs. Child didnt even know the word vomitting and would just cry and later could tell us tummy hurts and would vomit occassionally even in the 1 mile trip to nursery. Drugs used to make her unsteady on her feet so avoided drugs and didnt go anywhere for almost 3y. Yes didnt go anywhere for almost 3y and lived as recluses as child would get unwell while travelling or end up travelling occassionally and having to take multiple changes of clothes and line the car with disposable bed mats and take a roll of bin bags and multiple sickness bags. Now yes she has wrist bands always and never any medicines and have removed even bed mats from car seat etc. Child herself requests wrist band as she has learnt she feels better with it.

I know several who feel better using it. Its not any medicine and no side effect and just costs under 2£.

It wont help every one but many will be helped. So stop spouting nonsense. I have even used these on poor chemotherapy patients abroad who couldnt afford loads of medicines and were helped by these wrist bands. For the poor we would show them how to make their own using common wrist bands and adding a bead like this. Beads can be smooth or spiky. It helps some with pregnancy induced sickness too as told to me by many antenatal patients who use them.


I can argue back it's still placebo a so called doctor would know that, my GP aunty and uncle plus pharmacist partner put no faith in the 'medical' powers of travel sickness bands. No doubt it was the words of the doctor parent put this on for mummy/daddy and this will make you feel so much better that convinced them it works. Placebo is a fantastic thing but putting faith in the voodoo principle that there is actually any medical prowess behind it is "pure **** Soory"
You can argue till the cows come home.

No "research" will ever be run for a non patent cheap as chips non medical product

There are plenty for acupressure point P6 though.
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Yes I know there are for P6 but not enough to guarantee it will work for every one as causation is multifactorial.

For the Same reason post operative nausea vomiting doesn't have a one treatment strategy. Hundreds of audits are done every year all over the UK for decades with not much changed over the last decade.

What I was saying is that it will benefit quite a few but you won't know which ones unless you try. It won't get rid of it fully always do be prepared for occasional break through which is better than what can be said for medicines anyway. I should know as I use nausea vomiting prediction scores and treatment options multiple times every day at work, which is probably more than what can be said for the many arm chair experts on hukd commenting on this thread.
#38
Read somewhere that some has used very dark glasses for travel/motion sickness and it worked ;)
Seems he never got sick when travelling at night....
2 Likes #39
BadPseudonym
I'm sorry, but these are 'magic' bands with no evidence of efficacy and plenty of evidence that they are nothing more than placebo. No-one, the manufacturers included, has ever been able to prove, under reasonable, controlled conditions, that these are a anything more than wishful thinking.

Nonsense! How comes a placebo would work if the person is not aware of the "healing" effect? It worked on my toddler. Saved me of cleaning puke from my car.
2 Likes #40
It doesn't really matter if the effect is a placebo really does it? If it works for some people and improves their way of life great, loads of research is currently being carried out from "fake" operations to alternative healing and most of the results is positive, i.e. A persons state of mind is very important when it comes to their health.

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