UMC 21.6" Full 1080p HD LCD TV with built-in Freeview £179.97 @ Tesco - HotUKDeals
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Seems like a decent price for a full 1080p set. No idea on the brand though.

Specs from the site:
Features
Name Value
Auto Install Yes
Brand UMC
Colour Black
Component Input Yes
Contrast Ratio 1000:1
Digital Tuner Yes
Fast Text Yes
Flat Screen Yes
HD Ready Full HD
HDMI Sockets 1
Headphone Socket No
Parental Lock Yes
PC Input VGA
Picture Frequency 50Hz
Product Depth 20.5 cm
Product Height 46.0 cm
Product Weight 6.3
Product Weight Units Kg
Product Width 53.9 cm
Resolution 1920 x 1080
SCART Sockets 1
Screen Type LCD
Sleep Timer Yes
Sound Quality NICAM
Teletext Yes
VESA 100 x 100
Wall Mountable Yes
Weight in KG 5.5Kg
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#1
Good price. Though i've heard and been told 1080p isn't worth getting till above 32" inch..
#2
Contrast Ratio 1000:1 ... interesting !!!
#3
Saw this yesterday in Tesco. I said out loud 1080p!!!!!
#4
Adam2050
Good price. Though i've heard and been told 1080p isn't worth getting till above 32" inch..


Above 40""
#5
dontasciime
Above 40""


Only going on what I have been told lol. I believe you :thumbsup:
#6
Could this be used as a pc monitor. Or will the response time be to slow for gaming.

Thanx
#7
if you're gaming the difference is noticeable at this size with 1080p games - more so than when viewing 1080i tv broadcasts.
whether you want to game - or indeed watch tv of any sort on a 21 inch tv is your call.
#8
Adam2050;4141011
Good price. Though i've heard and been told 1080p isn't worth getting till above 32" inch..

Not true. It depends entirely on the viewing distance.
#9
xxdelxx
#10
Jefft
Not true. It depends entirely on the viewing distance.



yeah thats right (my 40"" was in respect of not really worth having if you watch from normal viewing distance like when watching normal TV's)

only if you use the 19-22"" for PC monitor and and not to watch high def 1080p movies as you will not see extra detail when using such a small screen when sitting any further than say 18 inches away from monitor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080p
#11
dontasciime;4141614
yeah thats right (my 40"" was in respect of not really worth having if you watch from normal viewing distance like when watching normal TV's)

only if you use the 19-22"" for PC monitor and and not to watch high def 1080p movies as you will not see extra detail when using such a small screen when sitting any further than say 18 inches away from monitor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080p

The wikipedia article you linked to says a viewing distance of 3 times the screen size so the 1080 resolution should be discernable from 5ft.
#12
Jefft
The wikipedia article you linked to says a viewing distance of 3 times the screen size so the 1080 resolution should be discernable from 5ft.


wikipedia is not always accurate it may well be in this case but I only posted for reference to then check out more and not to say this backs up what I said.

What I said is more IMO than anything else however some logic was used to come to my own conclusion, so feel free to disagree.

I have a 42"" a 19"" a 24"" capable of displaying 1080p and my eyesight for being 41 is still prettty good so I trust my judgement on pic quality issues etc.
#13
you can only get 1080p 32" or above and there are only 3 companys who do true hd in 32" too and conrast of 1000 is **** you need to have min 20.000 to 1
1 Like #14
Why do these threads always end up being discusions about whether 1080p is valid on a small screen or whether fecking better quality hdmi cables make a difference ffs!

Is the deal hot or feckin not!

End of rant...end of story!
#15
newmann
Why do these threads always end up being discusions about whether 1080p is valid on a small screen or whether fecking better quality hdmi cables make a difference ffs!

Is the deal hot or feckin not!

End of rant...end of story!



NO cos they will be sold out :)

Ignorance is no defence
#16
I bought one of these from Makro for just a few pounds less earlier this month. 12 month warranty, extends to 15 months if you register within 7 days of purchase. Honestly, for the price, you can't go wrong with this. Haven't got a HD source to try it with (poor me!) but for everything else it works fine. I even had my laptop hooked up to it so I could watch the Derby v Forest match on it from a internet stream, worked fine for that and no discernible blurring on the VGA input. I've also watched football on the analog and digital (Freeview) inputs, again no discernible blurring. If I was hyper critical, I'd mention that there's a little bit of backlight bleeding around the very upper and lower edges when a black image is on the screen, but honestly it's not worth worrying about for a bedroom/2nd set imo, and you don't see it at any other time. If you want perfection then spend twice as much. Personally, I'm very happy with this set and would certainly recommend it at this price.
#17
P.S. Website says they're still in stock, and they also have some in my local store (Ilkeston).
#18
It's not the same as this is it:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/UMC-21-6-Full-LCD-Freeview/dp/B001Q3SE08

It doesn't mention a DVD player.
#19
ca1nmc, that link on Amazon points to an item titled "UMC 21.6" Full HD LCD TV/DVD Freeview".

So yes, it does mention a DVD player.

Looks extremely similar to the one at Tesco. Except the Tesco one is in stock and is 50 quid cheaper......
#20
In stock in Baldock and Stevenage.
Seems a good deal. Voted hot
Waiting for feedback from those who have took the plunged and purchased.
Hoping to use as a monitor at 1920x1080 as well.
#21
Yep - just been out and picked one up for my Mum

Seems nice TV for the price

true 16:9 screen - not that usual for a low end TV normally they are 16:10

Setup was easy

Loads of options to customise the audio and video settings. Picture can be fine tuned for brightness colour, tint, sharpness and colour temp

Audio quality is actually pretty good for a cheap TV, and you can set up a personal setting and fin tune bass and treble

inputs are 1 x HDMI upto 1080p, 1x scart, 1x s-video and 1x component and 1x VGA

All in all not a bad deal

and the warranty can be extended to 15 months free or interestingly extended for life for £39.99 !

EliTom
#22
Hartley Hare
ca1nmc, that link on Amazon points to an item titled "UMC 21.6" Full HD LCD TV/DVD Freeview".

So yes, it does mention a DVD player.

Looks extremely similar to the one at Tesco. Except the Tesco one is in stock and is 50 quid cheaper......

I think the one mentioned on Amazon is 2.5Kg heavier also, which would account for the DVD player.
#23
Guessing no Picture in Picture. Would be very handy at this resolution.
Use PC and watch TV with one device.

I am not knocking the set at this price, Already voted hot.
Just hoping.
#24
1080p on a small screen = useless.
HDMI cable quality is a stupid arguement - it either works or it doesn't - there is no difference in quality. Anyone that thinks there is is a moron.
#25
you can only get 1080p 32" or above and there are only 3 companys who do true hd in 32" too and conrast of 1000 is **** you need to have min 20.000 to 1


What are you on???

This thread is about a 22" screen with 1080p so obviously you can get screens smaller than 32" in full HD.

The contrast ratings chucked around by marketing are often insane to say the least.

Google and get your facts right. :whistling:
#26
newmann
Why do these threads always end up being discusions about whether 1080p is valid on a small screen or whether fecking better quality hdmi cables make a difference ffs!

Is the deal hot or feckin not!

End of rant...end of story!


Lol, exactly, have some rep. Have you noticed it's always the same conversation too, with most replies based on as much fact as a Daily Mail headline.
#27
ReflexReact
1080p on a small screen = useless.
HDMI cable quality is a stupid argument - it either works or it doesn't - there is no difference in quality. Anyone that thinks there is is a moron.


You may find this interesting then.
http://www.bluejeanscable.com/articles/how-long-can-hdmi-run.htm

Whilst you're right when we're talking short distances, when running hdmi over 50 feet or so (no, I don't know who would want to do that?) cable quality can make a difference.
#28
There was 40-50 of these on display in Tesco St Rollox (Springburn, Glasgow) on Saturday evening
2 Likes #29
None branded usually means it is also not very good. The big boys ( Sony / Samsung / LG / Pioneer / Sharp / Panasonic / Toshiba / Philips ) are usually the ones to look at, however not *all* there screens are decent just the majority.

There are 2 standards of "high definition" 720P ( HD ready ) Panels and 1080P ( Full HD Panels ). 720P is capable of approximately 2x the amount of detail as standard definition whilst 1080P is capable of approximately 4X the amount of detail.

However to notice the extra detail you need 2 things:

1) A screen BIG enough to notice the difference
2) Feed it the correct resolution ( 720p or 1080p )

With this in mind to notice the difference between a 720p and 1080p image you need to be close to the screen and have a rather large tv 46" or above.
So 1080p on a 22" is a waste of time, unless it is specifically for a computer monitor.

As i said before you actually need to feed the set with high definition to notice the benefit of either resolution. As it stands today we have various tv inputs.

Standard Definition ( 576i or lower )

Sky (576i)
Freeview (576i)
Freesat (576i)
Virgin/NTL (576i)
DVD player (576i)

Dreamcast(480p with vga cable)
PS2(576i / 480p)
Wii(576i / 480p)

Hd Ready

Freesat HD(1080i 2 channels)
Sky HD(1080i 20+ channels if subscribed)
Virgin HD V+(1080i 1 or 2 channels)
Xbox 360(rendered at 720p mostly)
Playstation 3(rendered at 720p mostly)

Full HD

HD DVD player(1080p)
Blu Ray player(1080p)
PC input(1080p)

Looking at my list there is only 3 "real" true sources of 1080p and 1 of them is a dead format and the other is a computer monitor.... 1080p is unlikely to be broadcast over the short term future due to the fact that so much bandwidth is required. We have too many stupid shopping and porn channels on television, maybe when this trash is cleared there will be extra space.

Finally when you watch a "none native" resolution so for example a SD image on a 720P screen or 1080p screen it needs to be scaled to fit the screen, this process of scaling makes the image quality look worse. Blurring can be noticed, in computer games aliasing ( jaggies ) are made more obvious and the overall Picture is worse than simply displaying the native panel resolution. So with this in mind a normal freeview image or even 720p willl look *worse* on a 1080p panel than it does on a 720p panel.

But my point is that 1080p is only used a very small minority of cases and even then the benefit can not be seen till rather large screen sizes, coupled with the fact a 1080p set will cost more to run, generate more heat and will make none 1080p inputs look worse... seriously whats the point in it?

Look for a good quality lower res 720p panel, don't discount possibly a larger screen or even a Plasma if you are looking at 32" or above. Plasmas will offer no motion blurring, generally better blacks, no viewing angles and are always better for SD since they are not quite as "precise" as an LCD, ontop of being a much more natural true to life image. Downsides are varying power usage depending on how white the scene is with a possiblity for image retention/ burn if you game alot or decide to pause a dvd for many hours ( 10+ )

An LCD will offer higher specs for a lower price ( 1080p / 100hz on cheaper sets ) and are imune to any screen burn however will have bad viewing angles ( loss of contrast from different viewing sides ), motion blurring, worse Picture quality for standard definition and an overbright and far too "colourful" image.

Hope this info steers you towards a good purchase rather than wasting your money on useless specs :thumbsup: and alleviates some of the confusion

If you want the best xbox quality then look at a 720p screen, 99.5% of all xbox 360 games are only native 720p. As a result putting them on a 1080p screen means scaling involved and as a result the games look more jaggied, blurrier and overall pretty cack picture quality in comparison to equally price 720 panels...

Important things:

Contrast : The difference between the whitest white and the blackest black. The higher the better, however this is to be taken with a grain of salt because manufacturors use different methods of "Measuring" and a manufacturor can only be compared amongst itself.

Response time : This is a real important factor in gaming, its how quickly the pixels physically shift from one colour to another. The lower the better. Average is 8ms.... however sharp panels often have 6ms and latest samsungs have 4ms i believe ?

Sound Quality : If you are not connecting the screen to a sound system then it is *very* important to get one with decent speakers....

Viewing Angles : Many poor quality screens actually invert with colour when viewed from other angles. So a good viewing angle is a essential for a television.

Internal Scaler : This is the unit inside the television which stretches (interpolates) the image to fill the screen so this is used in all lower resolution content. The well known "bravia engine" or "XD engine" are simply scaling technologies

Input Lag : Each screen has a degree of processing, this delays whatever input is sent to the screen and it known as "Input lag". So imagine you are playing a time sensitive game such as guitar hero. The input lag is *essentially* the time it takes for your button press to get "shown" on the screen. The larger this delay the worse... can range from 10ms up to 100ms on the cheap nasty screens...

However my point is is you are not using this television as a computer monitor... don't waste your money it is not that great. :thumbsup:
#30
Adam2050
Good price. Though i've heard and been told 1080p isn't worth getting till above 32" inch..


Wouldn't this double up well as a rather decent PC monitor though? In which case it's fairly good price.
I bought a 24" 1900x1200 monitor costs around £200, and it is rather big on my small desk - this would have suited me better - had it been available 6 months ago.
#31
I think people harp on about what can or cannot be seen and 1080p this or that, get to basics, we all use PC's.

So ask yourself can you notice the difference in a monitor with the older low res screen and higher res, I can, I also see extra detail when swapping between resolutions in games.

Its about viewing distance and a load of other details, but bottom line its what you can see not what stats and figures tell you.

If your after a new screen if this seems good vote hot if deal seems bad vote cold, arguments about if you can see a benefit of 1080p over 720p matter little.

Its about quality of product.
#32
do you use 1920x1080 on 16"" crt or a 17 upto 22"" like ?

technomat
I think people harp on about what can or cannot be seen and 1080p this or that, get to basics, we all use PC's.

So ask yourself can you notice the difference in a monitor with the older low res screen and higher res, I can, I also see extra detail when swapping between resolutions in games.

Its about viewing distance and a load of other details, but bottom line its what you can see not what stats and figures tell you.

If your after a new screen if this seems good vote hot if deal seems bad vote cold, arguments about if you can see a benefit of 1080p over 720p matter little.

Its about quality of product.
#33
Jefft;4141987
The wikipedia article you linked to says a viewing distance of 3 times the screen size so the 1080 resolution should be discernable from 5ft.


Look at reference 10 , that shows distances about 1.6x the diagonal (which is correct, for 20/20 at least). Doesn't say much for the quality of wikipedia when their own reference disagrees with the thing it's referencing.
#34
disney.queen
conrast of 1000 is **** you need to have min 20.000 to 1


********. Any company that quotes a contrast ratio of 20,000:1 is talking out their ****. Figures like that are hugely inflated. When the true contrast ratio is measured, even on the best screens, it will never reach anything like 20,000:1.

Don't believe everything the manufacturers tell you
#35
Adam2050
Good price. Though i've heard and been told 1080p isn't worth getting till above 32" inch..


IT would seem to make sense, I've a 24" TFT and the 1080p resolution is blindingly crisp, but on such a small screen I can just about tell the difference between 720p and 1080p.

However the extra desktop area is simply invaluable.

samsun
********. Any company that quotes a contrast ratio of 20,000:1 is talking out their ****. Figures like that are hugely inflated. When the true contrast ratio is measured, even on the best screens, it will never reach anything like 20,000:1.

Don't believe everything the manufacturers tell you


They have started to twist the figures and calculate them using Dynamic Contrast Ratio (DCR). In reality they will probably be around 300
#36
technomat
I think people harp on about what can or cannot be seen and 1080p this or that, get to basics, we all use PC's.

So ask yourself can you notice the difference in a monitor with the older low res screen and higher res, I can, I also see extra detail when swapping between resolutions in games.

Its about viewing distance and a load of other details, but bottom line its what you can see not what stats and figures tell you.

If your after a new screen if this seems good vote hot if deal seems bad vote cold, arguments about if you can see a benefit of 1080p over 720p matter little.

Its about quality of product.


You use a PC so you know that if you set the resolution on an LCD screen down lettering shows aliasing and the images are generally grotty - this is most likely how your non-1080p images will look on this screen; but as it's a very small screen as long as you are sat a few feet away you won't notice how grotty the images are and the usual problems of refresh rates, motion blur and contrast on dark areas will be what you see ;-)
#37
technomat
I think people harp on about what can or cannot be seen and 1080p this or that...

Its about viewing distance and a load of other details, but bottom line its what you can see not what stats and figures tell you.

...arguments about if you can see a benefit of 1080p over 720p matter little.

Its about quality of product.


Very reasonable outlook.:thumbsup:
#38
Hello,

A quick question regarding this TV. I am currently using TVLink to watch sky upstairs. I can see this has a built in digital tuner, but in the absence of an analogue tuner I'm guessing I wouldnt be able to tune the tv to pick up the sky signal? :?
#39
i checked this out the other week for my non-HDMI 360. But it didn't have any RCA audio inputs, it did have
RGB RCA video connectors. When i looked in the manual it says it has a pc audio input and another audio input which it wanted you to use an included phono to Male RCA audio cable but this put me off as if it was an input why was it male instead of female ?

Thanks
JJ
#40
mjdumelow
Hello,

A quick question regarding this TV. I am currently using TVLink to watch sky upstairs. I can see this has a built in digital tuner, but in the absence of an analogue tuner I'm guessing I wouldnt be able to tune the tv to pick up the sky signal? :?


It also has an analogue tuner

EliTom

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