WD Red 2TB for NAS 3.5-inch Desktop Hard Drive - OEM WD Red 2TB for NAS 3.5-inch Desktop Hard Drive - OEM £68.40 @ Amazon - HotUKDeals
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If you don't need (or can't afford) The 3TB at around between £85 - £90 (i got it for £78 through Flubit) then you may want to get this for a NAS and it's currently 1p off it's lowest ever price.

WD Red hard drives are designed and tested for compatibility in the unique 24x7 operating environment and demanding system requirements of home and small office NAS.

Western Digital claims that these tweaks result in a 35 per cent MTBF (mean time between failures) improvement over standard desktop drives, and is quick to point out that the optimisation ultimately reduces the long-term cost of NAS ownership

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1 Like #1
Standard packaging version is the same price as well:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Red-3-5-inch-Desktop-Hard-Drive/dp/B008JJLZ7G
#2
£70.91 now
1 Like #3
New models have just been launched, WD Reds now come in 'Consumer' and 'Pro' (Enterprise) variants. So WD have probably lowered the MTBF (downgraded the motor/spindle, most likely) on the new Red consumer version. The old reds were rated for both Consumer and Enterprise Use. For once it may be worth stocking up on the older model.
New models have V3 of NASWare firmware though. Sounds like bumpf with lower hardware specs/cheaper parts.

Its almost like the WD Green drives (lower MTBF) have been fitted with NASWare and launched as a Consumer RED Drive. Pro Versions come with longer 5yr warranty (so maybe some of the extra cost is to cover this)

(MTBF - Mean time before failure)




Edited By: tightar5e on Jul 23, 2014 12:45: .
1 Like #4
What's this? They've lowered the 'Multilateral Trading Facility'? ;)

I hate it when that happens.

Edited By: PurplePerson on Jul 23, 2014 11:39
#5
PurplePerson
What's this? They've lowered the 'Multilateral Trading Facility'? ;)

I hate it when that happens.
Very important you know, the Multilateral Trading Facility in terms of Hard disks, on the other hand, so is the Mean (average*) time before failure (MTBF). My brother does that all the time, annoys the hell out of me, and now I'm doing it. Apologies!

*I'm really having to explain things now. Hey, look for HUKD to be the most informative buying site out there we need Acronyms ;)

In simple terms,
There is a new version out, hardware wise it ain't as good as the old one, and one that is will cost you a lot more.
Think Samsung 830 -> Samsung 840 / Samsung 840 Pro (Pro - Pretty much a Samsung 830) WD are copying the marketing strategy.




Edited By: tightar5e on Jul 23, 2014 19:40: .
#6
tightar5e
New models have just been launched, WD Reds now come in 'Consumer' and 'Pro' (Enterprise) variants. So WD have probably lowered the MTF (downgraded the motor/spindle, most likely) on the new Red consumer version. The old reds were rated for both Consumer and Enterprise Use. For once it may be worth stocking up on the older model.
New models have V3 of NASWare firmware though. Sounds like bumpf with lower hardware specs/cheaper parts.

Its almost like the WD Green drives (lower MTF) have been fitted with NASWare and launched as a Consumer RED Drive. Pro Versions come with longer 5yr warranty (so maybe some of the extra cost is to cover this)
http://www.tobidornot.com/wp-photo/upload/wd-red-2tb-for-nas-3-5-inch-desktop-hard-drive.jpg



So is this deal for the new or the old Red version?
1 Like #7
Just to add, it seems worth selecting
WD 2 TB for NAS 3.5-inch Desktop Hard Drive Including WD Extended Warranty or Express Care

As its the same price.



Edited By: tightar5e on Jul 23, 2014 19:40: .
#8
iceman85

So is this deal for the new or the old Red version?
I'll be for the old (Enterprise ready) RED with NasWare 2.0 (newer (non pro) ones have NasWare 3.0, but are consumer grade).

Standard - Dabs £73.99
with Expresscare option , Dabs £80.82
with Extended Warranty, Dabs £77.50



Edited By: tightar5e on Jul 23, 2014 12:42: .
#9
67.19 at Scan (free next day delivery if your a forum member)
#10
thanks op, just brought with express warranty...
1 Like #11
tightar5e
The old reds were rated for both Consumer and Enterprise Use. For once it may be worth stocking up on the older model.

The 'old' Reds were never aimed at enterprise users. They were and still are SOHO drives. Basically for small NAS setups. The regular Red drives have always been very close mechanically to the Green drives.

I have not seen any information to suggest the regular Red drives are being changed or degraded in any significant way. All they are doing is introducing the new Red Pro lineup which are 7200rpm and closer to an enterprise-class drive. But they're still not true enterprise drives.
#12
voodooboard

I have not seen any information to suggest the regular Red drives are being changed or degraded in any significant way.
The new Reds described Deployment Type is 'Table Top, Light Workload'
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/internal/nas/

That's a downgrade by any other name, they were for 24x7 deployments before.

'Enterprise', might not be the best, nearest description, but the old drives rated at 5x4TB, 20TB running 24*7, is more than just SOHO, WD are basically saying if you need it 24x7 you now need the 'Red Pro' drive.

The new Red it's a downgrade, 'built in obsolescence' by any other name. That's my take on the marketing.

Edited By: tightar5e on Jul 23, 2014 19:42: .
1 Like #13
tightar5e
voodooboard

I have not seen any information to suggest the regular Red drives are being changed or degraded in any significant way.
The new Reds described Deployment Type is 'Table Top, Light Workload'
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/internal/nas/

That's a downgrade by any other name, they were for 24x7 deployments before.

'Enterprise', might not be the best, nearest description, but the old drives rated at 5x4TB, 20TB running 24*7, is more than just SOHO, WD are basically saying if you need it 24x7 you now need the 'Red Pro' drive.

The new Red it's a downgrade, 'built in obsolescence' by any other name. That's my take on the marketing.


No, you're misunderstanding. You're reading far too much into one line marketing chart. The regular Red drive is still referred to as a 24/7 drive elsewhere on the web page.

They're calling it light workload because it's a 5400rpm drive, which it has always been. Now that they have a 7200rpm Red they can afford to call the 5400rpm one suitable for "light workloads" to differentiate them. But it has always been a light workload drive and everybody knows this already. It has always been billed as ideal for small SMB/SOHO NAS devices (Synology, QNAP etc). They were never intended for Enterprise deployment. That's a whole other ball game.

Edited By: voodooboard on Jul 23, 2014 19:47
#14
voodooboard

The regular Red drive is still referred to as a 24/7 drive elsewhere on the web page.
No it isn't.
Link?
Not on the page I quoted it isn't. It just says 'Table-top; Light workload'
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/internal/nas/

Doesn't appear to be the technical specifications yet, to compare. The old ones use to quote 35% better MTBF over existing solutions. So WD is that still the case?

Edited By: tightar5e on Jul 23, 2014 20:16
1 Like #15
tightar5e
voodooboard

The regular Red drive is still referred to as a 24/7 drive elsewhere on the web page.
No it isn't.
Link?
Not on the page I quoted it isn't. It just says 'Table-top; Light workload'
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/internal/nas/

Doesn't appear to be the technical specifications yet, to compare.



http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=810
look for "enhanced reliability", 24x7.
1 Like #16
tightar5e

No it isn't.
Link?
Not on the page I quoted it isn't.

It's right there on the WD Red product page.
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=810
"With a 35% MTBF improvement over standard drives, the WD Red drive with NASware 3.0 is designed for the 24x7 environment."

Specs are here. http://www.wdc.com/en/library/library.aspx?t=1#jump31

According to the spec sheet the model #s for the regular Red series are the same as always. Any change in spec would require new model #s. T

You've just plucked this speculation out of thin air and it's pretty clear there is no basis to it so let that be the end of the discussion.
#17
voodooboard

You've just plucked this speculation out of thin air and it's pretty clear there is no basis to it so let that be the end of the discussion.
Thanks for clarifying that (the 24x7 reference) and linking to new spec, it's still petty contradictory in places (the marketing) it's fair to say, not sure how 24x7 deployment can equate to a deployment that also states 'Table Top, Light Workload', but maybe it's just me then.
1 Like #18
tightar5e

Thanks for clarifying that (the 24x7 reference) and linking to new spec, it's still petty contradictory in places (the marketing) it's fair to say, not sure how 24x7 deployment can equate to a deployment that also states 'Table Top, Light Workload', but maybe it's just me then.

Workload is not so much about how many hours per day the drive is in use, but what the drive is doing during those hours.

A HDD aimed at SMB/SOHO users would typical be under light workload. It may be operating 24/7 but you're not doing constant full-throughput read/writes all day long.

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