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Whey protein : £16.66 @ Holland & Barrett !

£16.66 @ Holland and Barrett
seeing as in there shop there selling these as buy 2 get one free but it costs 25 quid for 1 i think this is pretty good for 16.66 this stuff gets alot of slack ( dont know why) i been using it …
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9y, 3w agoFound 9 years, 3 weeks ago
seeing as in there shop there selling these as buy 2 get one free
but it costs 25 quid for 1
i think this is pretty good for 16.66
this stuff gets alot of slack ( dont know why)
i been using it for years and has done me fine plus the strawberry flavour is quite tasty too
low in carbs high in protein

ps i didnt put the picture on this link of some fat burning rubbish how that happen?
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#1
I've added a price and retailer name to the thread title. Thanks :)
#2
lol.. added the direct link & pic :w00t:

more helping hands..
#3
Expensive for only 908g pots and 2.6kg tub very expensive.

[url]www.cheapuksupplements.com[/url] do 2 x elite whey (5lb-2.27kg) for £53.98.

Yummy flavours like choc mint and mocha.
#4
also holland and barret sell the weakest body building supplemnts goin, u could have a ton of this stuff and get no gain :(
#5
Actually the body fortress whey powder they were selling for 9.99 a tub were better than this and tasted quite nice actually.

Still not a bad buy.
#6
2 words ...... EGGY FARTS :oops:
#7
not an expert I tryed the body fortess whey when it was £10 tasted nice not sure if it made a difference all they did was change the price to £25 and put it 3 for 2 its a ripp-off now. might try that one you said kjbenja
#8
you can get much better quality for better prices
banned#9
http://www.sports-nutrition.net/store.php - Cheap place imo.

Anyone know the cheapest place for cell-tech?
1 Like #10
kcnw9
http://www.sports-nutrition.net/store.php - Cheap place imo.

Anyone know the cheapest place for cell-tech?


http://www.bodyshapersfitness.com/prodList.asp IMO much better then Cell tec, but they sell Cell tec here and

http://www.monstersupplementstore.com/products/Muscletechbrand/default.aspx?P=1

cell tech here.

used both before, good sites.
#11
I use a supplier who is beating the prices from the sites listed here by a pretty large percentage (when comparing the glutamine I just ordered, but just with a cursory look everything else seems cheaper too).

So I posted the company - and it was adding a new company - but the mods have removed the post as its a new supplier and they don't list their telephone number on the site - and their address is not on the contacts page, which I think makes sense, and agree with the mods doing that - as it could be a scam - although I have been dealing with them since 2006.

I have emailed the supplier - and the email is pretty obvious...



Hi

I went to post your prices on the HUKD forum, as you are far cheaper than other suppliers.

However...



Hi.

I have removed your post to be checked by admin. It is a pre-requisite that a site have a full address and contact phone number on their contact us page, and this site does not appear to have that.

Regards, Moderator



...its free advertising and I would guess you would get a fair turn from it for just complying with their requirements, and I could not find your number anywhere, but have no old invoices.

Cheers



So obviously its not playing the game adding the site here - but I will once they sort their contact details.

Examples of prices are...

Glutamine 18 quid a kilo.

Creatine monohydrate 13 quid a kilo.

80% Whey 35 quid for 5 kilos

90% Whey 50 quid for 5 kilos

There is a fiver flat rate postage on any normal sized orders of a fiver, and I suspect they have the widest range of any supplier I have seen.
#12
This is the worse whey possible to buy, its like only 70% and gave me bad guts. I found much cheaper whey from myprotein.com in bulk, of a much higher quality.

Avoid at all costs, its overpriced and not good quality.
#13
kcnw9
http://www.sports-nutrition.net/store.php - Cheap place imo.

Anyone know the cheapest place for cell-tech?


Look at the ingredients - then post what the relevant ones are.

I would guess its creatine based.

Then check the price for the raw product.

Or post the full details here and I will tell you - as often they use names that sound pretty or flash to hide something fairly basic.

eg - willow bark extract = acetylsalicylic acid = 2-acetoxybenzoic acid = aspirin
#14
see i dont get this everyone knocks the holland and barret whey protien but it works fine for me
has done for years
its very low on carbs
and real high in protien
its quite expensive tho
i do manage to go through a tub in just over a week
thats 4 scoops in the morning 4 at night
but yoou know
diffrent strokes for diffrent folks
#15
ps from what i know about creatine thats the waste of money
if you eat right you shoud have the energy anyway without using creatine
#16
In case anyone is interested i use :-

http://www.affordablesupplements.co.uk/index.php

Have always found the prices good and they will price match!
All contact details are available on-site for them and postage is very reasonable.
I haven't found any sites to really beat their prices so have stuck with these a long time.

Hope this helps some people.

Regards to all Billyhl.
1 Like #17
www.Myprotein.co.uk sell the cheapest whey in Europe. Even if you find something cheaper they pricematch.

Use the pricematch and enter www.bulkpowders.co.uk for £31 for 5k of Whey !!!

*** Soliciting referrals is not permitted on HUKD ***
#18
davidfrank1986
ps from what i know about creatine thats the waste of money
if you eat right you shoud have the energy anyway without using creatine


Creatine is very good, it aids the body to allow more absorbtion of the protein you take instead of the majority going down the toilet. I have a good diet, take whey and carbs and have done for the past 4 years. Since I started using creatine (ether ester) around a year and a half ago I've made some very good gain compared to just a good diet. Not what sources you have got your information from but the mahority of professional sports persons would not also be using it if it was a waste of money.

On the whey protein, I buy unflavored whey (80%) by the 5lb bag (2.2kg) for 17.99 and its very high quality stuff. Just ordered another bag on sunday along with some more creatine. :-D

Goatz has just beat my post in... its from [url]www.myprotein.co.uk[/url]
#19
Creatine
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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For the use of creatine to enhance athletic performance, please see Creatine supplements.
Creatine


IUPAC name 2-(carbamimidoyl-methyl- amino)acetic acid
Other names (α-methylguanido)acetic acid
Creatin
Kreatin
methylguanidinoacetic acid
N-amidinosarcosine
Identifiers
CAS number [57-00-1]
EINECS number 200-306-6
SMILES [NH2+]=C(N)N(C)CC([O-])=O
Properties
Molecular formula C4H9N3O2
Molar mass 131.13 g/mol
Melting point dec. at 303 °C

Except where noted otherwise, data are given for
materials in their standard state
(at 25 °C, 100 kPa)
Infobox disclaimer and references
Creatine is nitrogenous organic acid that occurs naturally in vertebrates and helps to supply energy to muscle and nerve cells. Creatine was identified in 1832 when Michel Eugène Chevreul discovered it as a component of skeletal muscle, which he later named creatine after the Greek word for flesh, Kreas.

Contents [hide]
1 Function
2 Biosynthesis
3 Controversy
4 Side Effects
5 Sources
6 Creatine and the treatment of muscular diseases
7 See also
8 References
9 External links



[edit] Function
Creatine by way of conversion to and from phosphocreatine is present and functions in all vertebrates, as well as some invertebrates, in conjunction with the enzyme creatine kinase. A similar system based on arginine/phosphoarginine operates in many invertebrates via the action of Arginine Kinase. The presence of this energy buffer system keeps the ATP/ADP ratio high at subcellular places where ATP is needed, which ensures that the free energy of ATP remains high and minimizes the loss of adenosine nucleotides, which would cause cellular dysfunction. Such high-energy phosphate buffers in the form of phosphocreatine or phosphoarginine are known as phosphagens. In addition, due to the presence of subcompartmentalized Creatine Kinase Isoforms at specific sites of the cell, the phosphocreatine/creatine kinase system also acts as an intracellular energy transport system from those places where ATP is generated (mitochondria and glycolysis) to those places where energy is needed and used, e.g., at the myofibrils for muscle contraction, at the sarcoplasmic reticulum (SR) for calcium pumping, and at the sites of many more biological processes that depend on ATP.[9,10]


[edit] Biosynthesis
In the human body, approximately half of the daily creatine is biosynthesized mainly in the vertebrates by the use of parts from three different amino acids - arginine, glycine, and methionine. The rest is taken in by alimentary sources mainly from fresh fish and meat. Ninety-five percent of creatine is later stored in the skeletal muscles, with the rest in the brain, heart, testes, inner ear, hair cells, and other organs and cells.


The pathway for the synthesis of creatine
Arg - Arginine; GAMT - Guanidinoacetate N-methyltransferase; GAMT - Glycine amidinotransferase; Gly - Glycine; Met - Methionine; SAH - S-adenosyl homocysteine; SAM - S-adenosyl methionine.
The color scheme is as follows:enzymes, coenzymes and the Met part, substrate names, the Gly part, the Arg part
The enzyme GAMT (guanidinoacetate N-methyltransferase, also known as L-arginine:glycine amidinotransferase (AGAT), EC 2.1.4.1) is a mitochondrial enzyme responsible for catalyzing the first rate-limiting step of creatine biosynthesis, and is primarily expressed in the kidneys and pancreas[1].

The second enzyme in the pathway (GAMT, guanidinoacetate N-methyltransferase, EC:2.1.1.2) is primarily expressed in the liver and pancreas[2].

Genetic deficiencies in the creatine biosynthetic pathway lead to various severe neurological defects[3].


[edit] Controversy
Whilst creatine's effectiveness in the treatment of many muscular, neuromuscular and neuro-degenerative diseases is documented [1], its utility as a performance enhancing food supplement in sports has been questioned[2]. Despite this, and perhaps because of its popularity [3], some have proposed that its use as a performance enhancer should be banned[4].


[edit] Side Effects
Continuous intake of excessively high dosages of creatine may lead to any of several possible side-effects. It has been hypothesized that consistently high doses could lead to hypertension due to increased water retention. It can also cause dehydration by another mechanism.[citation needed] There is some discussion of kidney problems resulting from supplementation, but as excess creatine is not broken down into nitrogenous wastes but instead released in a more benign form.[5].

Creatine supplementation utilizing proper cycling and dosages, however, has not been linked with any adverse side-effects beyond occasional dehydration due to increased muscular water uptake from the rest of the body.[6]

According to the opinion statement of the European Food Safety Authorities (EFSA) published in 2004 it was concluded that "The safety and bioavailability of the requested source of creatine, creatine monohydrate in foods for particular nutritional uses, is not a matter of concern provided that there is adequate control of the purity of this source of creatine (minimum 99.95%) with respect to dicyandiamide and dihydro-1,3,5-triazine derivatives, as well as heavy metal contamination. The EFSA Panel endorses the previous opinion of the SCF that high loading doses (20 gram / day) of creatine should be avoided. Provided high purity creatine monohydrate is used in foods for particular nutritional uses, the Panel considers that the consumption of doses of up to 3g/day of supplemental creatine, similar to the daily turnover rate of creatine, is unlikely to pose any risk". Publication date of the EFSA Statement is 26/04/2006


[edit] Sources
In humans, approximately half of stored creatine originates from food (mainly from fresh meat and fish). Since vegetables do not contain creatine, vegetarians clearly show lower levels of muscle creatine which, upon creatine supplementation, rise to a level higher than in meat-eaters.[7]


[edit] Creatine and the treatment of muscular diseases
Creatine supplementation has been, and continues to be, investigated as a possible therapeutic approach for the treatment of muscular, neuromuscular, neurological and neurodegenerative diseases (arthritis, congestive heart failure, Parkinson's disease, disuse atrophy, gyrate atrophy, McArdle's disease, Huntington's disease, miscellaneous neuromuscular diseases, mitochondrial diseases, muscular dystrophy, neuroprotection, etc.).

Two studies have indicated that creatine may be beneficial for neuromuscular disorders. First, a study demonstrated that creatine is twice as effective as the prescription drug riluzole in extending the lives of mice with the degenerative neural disease amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS, or Lou Gehrig's disease)[8]. The neuroprotective effects of creatine in the mouse model of ALS may be due either to an increased availability of energy to injured nerve cells or to a blocking of the chemical pathway that leads to cell death.

Second, creatine has been demonstrated to cause modest increases in strength in people with a variety of neuromuscular disorders[9].

Third, creatine has been shown to be beneficial as an adjuvant treatment for several neuro-muscular and neuro-degenerative diseases (11,12) and its potential is just beginning to be explored in several multi-center clinical studies in the USA and elsewhere
#20
see from what i know creatine is more of a lucozade kind of thing for energy it ment to make your reps more explosive because you have more energy
but like ive said before diffrent strokes for diffrent folks
#21
davidfrank1986
see from what i know creatine is more of a lucozade kind of thing for energy it ment to make your reps more explosive because you have more energy
but like ive said before diffrent strokes for diffrent folks


During exercise the ATP/phosphate energy cycle/system in your body depletes adenosine triphosphate to adenosine diphosphate and produces energy and water.

The adenosine diphosphate can be replenished to adenosine triphosphate by creatine.

Out of all the courses I attended to be a fitness instructor - not one lecture mentioned lucozade in this equation.

Lucozade is a sugary drink to supply monosacharides 'simple sugars' which can be converted to energy quickly during aerobic exercise - but also work when training anaerobically through fermentation.

Largely the same stuff works for all of us, but you cannot change your somatype so can only build on what you have to start with. But often people buy snake oil, or alternately don't put the effort in and blame a product.

Creatine does work, and if you are one of the people who try to compensate for personality deficiencies by body building, it will make your training weights increase faster, and also make your muscles look far bigger too by their retaining water. This restricts proper movement to an extent, and sports like badminton, tennis, golf, etc will suffer as the extra strength wont compensate for the extra water you are carrying about. Although when you stop taking it - you will have benefited from training at a higher level while you did.

However, the personality traits that made you feel you needed to be a 'better shape', invariable are worsened as you have the same personality as before - but a louder mouth from feeling muscle has compensated for the original personality deficiency, that you feel you no longer have to hide.

Lastly, creatine monohydrate can cause cramps, tastes lousy, seems to increase muscle fascilation, and has a texture of gravel in drinks , although I dont know if creatine ethyl ester does the same, as its relatively new.
#22
locozade was like an example didnt say it worked
my point was
that all i thought creatine did was give you more energy and in return more reps and you could get that anyway by having the right diet
enough now like i said
diffrent strokes for diffrent folks
#23
davidfrank1986
... i thought ...


:whistling: :w00t: :-D
#24
I suppose its ok to say "have the right diet" if your under 30, but time catches up with your body as you start to produce less growth hormone.

And if your on about diet why are you taking whey ? Why not go out and eat the same amount of natural protein in meat only ?

I found with creatine I could lift more for longer, and at age 39 that really mattered. I would say on creatine I could lift about 20% more which gave me a boost in building up muscle fast.

I've only noticed if I now stop, I loose bulk fast, but I guess thats age.
#25
dapunk
I suppose its ok to say "have the right diet" if your under 30, but time catches up with your body as you start to produce less growth hormone.

And if your on about diet why are you taking whey ? Why not go out and eat the same amount of natural protein in meat only ?

I found with creatine I could lift more for longer, and at age 39 that really mattered. I would say on creatine I could lift about 20% more which gave me a boost in building up muscle fast.

I've only noticed if I now stop, I loose bulk fast, but I guess thats age.


It could be coming off creatine - as it causes water to be stored in the muscle - so you will appear to lose muscle but have the same amount of muscle with less intramuscular water.

Taking a couple of grams of glutamine a day is claimed to up GH production, but so many things make so many claims its difficult to say.

Glutamine is a catabolism inhibitor, so if you get an injury or cannot train for a while - you lose less muscle. I first tried it as it is meant to aid healing after an operation, and when I took it would guess it works pretty well.

Its one of the few things you can add to almost any food or drink and actually tastes good.

Lastly - whey is considered to be a good supply of protein as the amino balance seems well suited to people. Muscle is formed from amino acids - some of which you can create in your body and some you cannot (essential amino acids).

Effectively the lowest percentage of any essential amino acid in your diet is the amount of muscle you will build - so if only 1% of your protein intake is a certain essential amino acid - then that is your limiting amino acid and even if you had masses of other protein in your diet - the amount of muscle added would be based on that 1%.

If you doubled that 1% you would build twice the muscle as long as another essential amino acid was not available at less than 2%. Eating only meat for protein tends to offer a poor balance - but a fairly balanced diet in reality is fine for the majority of us.

Glutamine is not an essential amino acid - but it is considered beneficial to to add to what you can produce.

If I was to take only one supplement - glutamine with a normal low fat balanced diet would win by miles.
#26
I am sooooooo lost! All I want to do is add some body muscle, I am slim anyway, but have some definition as I do work out daily. I know I need to increase my protein intake and Whey Protein is as far as I have got in my research! I guess eating lots of chicken breasts, tuna etc is possible - but expensive.

Where is best to buy please? This is so removed from what I'd normally research myself and need some help please!
#27
syanide
Creatine is very good, it aids the body to allow more absorbtion of the protein you take instead of the majority going down the toilet. I have a good diet, take whey and carbs and have done for the past 4 years. Since I started using creatine (ether ester) around a year and a half ago I've made some very good gain compared to just a good diet. Not what sources you have got your information from but the mahority of professional sports persons would not also be using it if it was a waste of money.

On the whey protein, I buy unflavored whey (80%) by the 5lb bag (2.2kg) for 17.99 and its very high quality stuff. Just ordered another bag on sunday along with some more creatine. :-D

Goatz has just beat my post in... its from [url]www.myprotein.co.uk[/url]


Thanks - was a bit lost to be honest and thought I'd try with myprotein site, went for the "Impact Whey Protein - WPC80" - 2KG. - how come you got your one for £17.99?!
#28
danjaq
Thanks - was a bit lost to be honest and thought I'd try with myprotein site, went for the "Impact Whey Protein - WPC80" - 2KG. - how come you got your one for £17.99?!


its the unflavoured whey protein (bag refills).

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