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Wickes Air Con System - Interior & Exterior units WAS £399. then £170.... NOW £98.00. IN STORE ONLY

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Split aircon unit. Last week was £170!!!!!!!!!
Just picked one up from Cannock branch and they had 3 complete systems left.
You must buy both units to make complete system.
Instore only but nationwide offer. Check your local store for stock.

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    capricornianz
    whats the installation cost?
    Foxy102
    DIY, so nothing!
    Decentbloke
    Foxy102
    DIY, so nothing!


    Sadly, that's not necessarily so :thumbsup:
    blister
    Amazing price! :thumbsup: But do I need it?
    Tripletrouble
    Of course you do.
    withabix
    A steal at this price if you can find it.

    Connection between the two units will be 15mm pipework normally, so no more difficult than a plumbing job, plus some minor electrics.
    shadowdogg
    hmm i guess for £100 not bad

    but is energy rating D - i'm sure it is fairly loud.

    build quality wont be the best. compressor wont be any good etc.

    but u pay for what u get i guess
    drbunsen
    Excellent find, picked up 2 today (they weren't on display, had to ask for them) catalogue price £399, H&R
    foggy8
    shadowdogg
    hmm i guess for £100 not bad

    but is energy rating D - i'm sure it is fairly loud.

    build quality wont be the best. compressor wont be any good etc.

    but u pay for what u get i guess

    this unit is not noisey & works a treat
    i bought i of these last week & fitted it myself with my son. very easy to fit,
    1 - drill 5 holes for the bracket inside,
    2 - drill 1 big hole for the gas & liquid pipes (drill piece inc),
    3 - drill 7 holes for the bracket outside,
    4 - bolt the exterior unit on to the bracket outside,
    5 - screw the gas & liquid pipes into the valves,
    6 - open both valves,
    7 - then plug it in, easy
    & i'm not a very DIY person at the best of times. great find, great price
    Blanco
    The better systems require VAC'ing for optimal efficiency. God knows how these have been put together.
    nagolnagol
    Just got one of these ... but had to get the two units from different stores in different counties. So not quite £98 if you count the petrol and wasted afternoon.
    lankstarr
    Awesome price... much better than getting one of the standalone units that has to be vented out of a window and gets in the way the whole time!

    Hot hot hot!
    moley
    bargin
    Jefft
    Blanco;5901508
    The better systems require VAC'ing for optimal efficiency. God knows how these have been put together.

    These are pre-filled so there is no need to vacuum. I have installed several similar cheap units at work and the one in my office has been working fine for over 7 years. Heating in the winter and cooling in the summer so has had a lot of use.
    plugster1975
    May i suggest that you proceed with a bit of caution.

    withabix suggests installation would be completed by yourself using 15mm copper tube. I believe this is incorrect.

    I would make an educated guess that the pre-charged outdoor unit is charged with R410a, which is a refrigerent. 15mm copper tube is only to be used with water and not refrigerents. The correct pipe size would be in imperial, and the nearest to 15mm is 5/8". The main difference between the two types of copper tube is the grade of pipe and wall thickness.

    15mm PIPE IS NOT SAFE TO USE WITH REFRIGERENTS.

    Below is a link showing the data sheet for R410a. One critical piece of information regarding safety is the fact that it boils, as a liquid at -51.6 deg C. When it comes in contact with skin at ambient tempreature it WILL cause severe ice burns. If it comes in contact with your eyes, you would probably never see again.

    I would strongly suggest installation should be done by somebody with the appropriate qualifications, primarily some body who is F-Gas qualified.

    The money saved on the units would be best invested in correct, safe installation.

    I would like to think that after 16 years in the air con/refrigeration industry, i may know a thing or two.

    Be careful and safe.

    plugster1975.
    misterfrostie
    Thats a great price
    plugster1975
    Ok forgot the data sheet, so here it comes:

    http://www.bocsds.com/uk/sds/special/r410a.pdf
    SRPhoto
    foggy8

    1 - drill 5 holes for the bracket inside,
    2 - drill 1 big hole for the gas & liquid pipes (drill piece inc),
    3 - drill 7 holes for the bracket outside,


    What size are the holes, roughly?
    Particularly the 1 big one?
    iqbalh
    For next year though, summer is almost over ?!!
    saggy470
    just managed to order a set online for free delivery, even though it says in store only.... have to see if it turns up.



    :thumbsup:
    panddda
    Anyone who's got one, can you advise please...
    Is the heat function any good? I'm looking for a unit that will both heat and cool a garage conversion/granny flat that we're building. I don't mind the poor power rating, as it won't be used too often, but it needs to be able to do what's intended when it is needed.
    How big is each unit? Just roughly...website doesn't give any dimensions.
    Thanks very much!
    chaxta
    Gonna pick a few up when Wickes opens up this morning.
    Jefft
    plugster1975;5911125
    May i suggest that you proceed with a bit of caution.

    withabix suggests installation would be completed by yourself using 15mm copper tube. I believe this is incorrect.

    I would make an educated guess that the pre-charged outdoor unit is charged with R410a, which is a refrigerent. 15mm copper tube is only to be used with water and not refrigerents. The correct pipe size would be in imperial, and the nearest to 15mm is 5/8". The main difference between the two types of copper tube is the grade of pipe and wall thickness.

    15mm PIPE IS NOT SAFE TO USE WITH REFRIGERENTS.

    Below is a link showing the data sheet for R410a. One critical piece of information regarding safety is the fact that it boils, as a liquid at -51.6 deg C. When it comes in contact with skin at ambient tempreature it WILL cause severe ice burns. If it comes in contact with your eyes, you would probably never see again.

    I would strongly suggest installation should be done by somebody with the appropriate qualifications, primarily some body who is F-Gas qualified.

    The money saved on the units would be best invested in correct, safe installation.

    I would like to think that after 16 years in the air con/refrigeration industry, i may know a thing or two.

    Be careful and safe.

    plugster1975.

    The pipes are supplied and precharged anyone with a bit of sense can install one of these. The safety advice is worth taking.
    plugster1975
    You have a vac pump then?
    flang
    I bought one of these from wickes a few years back for my conservatory.
    Installation was easy and only took a few hours.
    The unit is already compressed with gas and only requires bolting on the supplied pipe between the external and internal (the pipes only 4 metres so you are restricted between units)
    The supplied hole cutter to feed the supplied pipe outside is far too large I cut a smaller hole to the shape of the pipe at around 2 inches, the rest of the holes are standard type.
    The cooling and heat function is very good (mines 1200 BTU), the unit is not noisy inside although as with all outside invertors it’s a little bit noisy outside. (I hang mine on the purchased wall brackets to illuminate vibration and for the 4m pipe to each)
    In short the unit is excellent value for money, the heat and cool functions are good. Installation is easy and works straight out the box with no need to compress.
    One tip-- The unit can generate a LOT of excess water from the drain hose, direct this to a drain if possible.
    Any other questions PM me.
    Jefft
    plugster1975;5911279
    You have a vac pump then?

    You do not need one with this installation. You only need a vac pump to remove air in non pregassed systems and when regassing after a leak. These pipes are precharged with refridgerant and after connection there is a purging process to remove any air which may have got in during connecting the pipes. I suggest you find out a little more information before making assumptions about self install systems.

    I have installed ten of these with no prior knowledge. No vacuum pump and all working perfectly for many years.
    Janeyjugs
    Great price but don't these need to be professionally recharged every couple of years? My car aircon does and it costs £100 a pop :x
    thecoolalhambra
    Can anyone tell me how much this weighs roughly?

    Thanks
    vinnie_nine
    is this a joke yeah?
    Blanco
    Jefft
    You do not need one with this installation. You only need a vac pump to remove air in non pregassed systems and when regassing after a leak. These pipes are precharged with refridgerant and after connection there is a purging process to remove any air which may have got in during connecting the pipes. I suggest you find out a little more information before making assumptions about self install systems.

    I have installed ten of these with no prior knowledge. No vacuum pump and all working perfectly for many years.


    Sorry, but I have to disagree with that. Even with precharged systems, VAC'ing is advisable. Acid can build up over time and cause premature failure of the compressor otherwise. It's simple enough using the low pressure valve on the condenser.

    The purging process is not a good method.
    vitertexltd
    only one left in newcastle (westerhope branch) cause i bought the other one!!!!! great find, feel a bit sorry for those that bought it a month ago at £170
    thecoolalhambra
    thecoolalhambra
    Can anyone tell me how much this weighs roughly?

    Thanks


    vinnie_nine
    is this a joke yeah?


    No joke!

    I want to take abroad so need to know the weight.
    ScoobyZ
    Just been into my local wickes. A guy had bought the last 6. He also mentioned to the staff he had been and cleared 3 stores of them :(
    paulace
    Janeyjugs
    Great price but don't these need to be professionally recharged every couple of years? My car aircon does and it costs £100 a pop :x


    I had my Peugeot 406 5 years and a Ford Granada before that and I've NEVER had to top up the aircon - the trick is to never turn it off, even in winter. Use it with the heater to find the ideal temperature. When not in use, the refrigerant will evaporate over time as it's not being circulated around the system. It's similar to your fridge at home - you never turn that off, and with no leaks they run for years and don't need topping up. As far as costing more in terms of fuel economy, I believe from the motor trade that the difference in modern cars is minimal as they work on a 'clutch' based system but I'm not an expert on this and could be completely wrong. I'm not wrong about topping it up though!
    gazjon
    thecoolalhambra
    No joke!

    I want to take abroad so need to know the weight.


    The outside unit weight 40Kg, the inside one weighs 19Kg, so with brackets, you're looking at just under 60Kg.
    pibpob
    Blanco;5911616
    Sorry, but I have to disagree with that. Even with precharged systems, VAC'ing is advisable
    The DC inverter split unit (i.e. efficient) I bought from eBay came with a special connector that maintains a seal on the pipes to the indoor unit, and even allows multiple connections and disconnections with a microscopic loss of refrigerant/ingress of air (though I haven't had to disconnect it since). There was nothing in the instructions for this about using vacuum pumps.
    ukads
    Just been to my local wickes and these units were on sale at £85 each. I showed them the web site on my mobile phone and they altered the transaction at the till. I took the 2nd to last one. bargain at this price. Thanks :-)
    removedusername
    Does anyone have the dimensions of the indoor unit?

    Thanks,

    Rob.
    gunsNbutter
    Gold's Everywheres
    Vehicle air-con leaks refrigerant because the seals within the compressor unit become brittle and perished due to infrequent use/contact with the gas-c*m-lubricant. As another poster had suggested, use the air-con frequently or else you'll be re-gassing often until you'd replaced the seals/refurbished the compressor unit. Either way, the money's going to go, higher fuel bill, re-gassing or replacing/refurbishing the compressor.

    Believe-it-or-not, the v.v. expensive western/teutonic golden-balls air-con units are more costly and less efficient than the Japo & Co. varieties and this is where the air-con engineer and his "be kind to fragile humans" methodologies which are based on 1950's golden-balls, superior techno idealogies are left in the contemporary modernday dust-heap. In W.Europe, servicing costs out-weigh all other costs when it comes to the caressing hands of golden-ballism - all because these governments have a social welfare system which, under the same golden-ball-ogy, aims to reduce all to the lowest denominator within those societies - that of a dumbed-down, buy anything, do-anything, do as you're told idiocy-c*m-lunacy - and these so-groomed golden-ballites have the audacity to tell the "under-developed" how to become the future golden-ballsies.

    There, enough gold to go round and back. It would be self-benevolent to realised that control is merely abandonment at some other moment much like femininity is masculinity harboured and masculinity is merely femininity expressed. Without exception. Control-freakism is just waiting for his moment of abandonment or else he won’t be a control freak and vice-versa. All a screw wants is his nut[ism, expressed].
    bazr
    saggy470;5911176
    just managed to order a set online for free delivery, even though it says in store only.... have to see if it turns up.



    :thumbsup:

    This is correct.If you click on the interior unit and scroll down,it suggests buying the ext unit also,click on buy and it adds both to basket,simples.Whether the order is honoured is another matter.The best thing about this is that you can go through a cashback site,use a voucher code and get free delivery.
    I have gone through Quanti for 4% cashback and also registered as a new customer and used the promo code CAT09 to get 15% discount,making the purchase £83.30 and 4% cashback to come,which i believe even if the order is cancelled,the cashback remains.I have done similar before,whereby my order was cancelled,but they still paid the cashback.
    HTH.:)
    dhoomdhoom
    does the exterior unit need to be covered or protected against anything.
    bazr
    dhoomdhoom;5912507
    does the exterior unit need to be covered or protected against anything.

    Just ones DIY skills :roll:
    jweaver
    Just popped into my local Wickes and they had 4 outside units and 6 inside.

    I loaded one pair onto my trolly and then noticed that some of them had different boxes.. On closer inspection I found that they had 2 types.. On pair of the ones was the 156297/156298 the remainder had part numbers 156 435/156 416

    These were also £49 each and appeared to be the same spec (12000 BTU, suitable for 25m2 room) however what was significant was that the units were bigger and heaver??

    On these boxes, in the corner, the inside unit said "Box 1 of 2" and the outside "Box 2 of 2" which makes me think that they were sold as a package.. But I just wonder that since they are heavier it might mean that they are better built??

    The label said that they were £129 before, but the assistant checked and said that these units were originally more expensive than the 156297/156298 version.. Any ideas which is a better deal?

    Jon
    Naith
    Makes me laugh - I'm in Southern Spain using the A/C from May - September non-stop...

    How many days is it warm enough to use A/C in the UK??? The heating function is going to be used the most for sure, but surely everyone's got central heating or other forms better suited to the cold...?
    jweaver
    I have read through the instructions and now have a few quesiton..

    1. Power.. How have you managed to supply mains to the internal unit so that it looks neat? Mine is going to be up above my TV near the ceiling and I was planning on instaling a spur/socket or connection unit near by.. But its going to be visible and I wonder if there is any other way to go about it...

    2. 3" hole.. This is the bit which scares me the most.. Drilling the hole isn't a problem.. its having a 3" hold in my wall which does.. On the inside, it won't be visible because the air con unit will be over it.. But outside, there will be a gaping hole with pipes/cables coming through

    Is there any way to put some kind of 'cover' over it to stop the ingress of water? I know you drill the hold uphill, but still. its a big hole and rain lashing onto that side of the house could be a problem.

    3. Brackets.. I was tempted to lay a small concret slab outside to mount the external unit on.. But it might be quicker/easier/cheaper to get the offical 'bracket' and mount it on the wall... Wickes no longer list the part since and since it explicitly says in the intructions that "No alternative Mounting Bracket may be used", what now??? What sort of bracket can you use?


    Jon
    glennhoward007
    Does this unit come with the brackets for mounting indoors and outdoors? I cannot see anywhere that it says that the brackets must be bought separately. I therefore assume both units come with the mounting brackets!
    dhoomdhoom
    glennhoward007
    Does this unit come with the brackets for mounting indoors and outdoors? I cannot see anywhere that it says that the brackets must be bought separately. I therefore assume both units come with the mounting brackets!

    i was told that it doesn't come with brackets, does anyone know what brackets to use with this and where to get them from
    jweaver
    Brackets included for inside. But not for outside.. And you can no longer buy the 'official' ones at Wickes, so its floor mounting only (or you will have to source suitable brackets elsewhere)

    I went back to my local store to get one of these for my friend, and got the last pair.. (Actually there were still a few internal units left).. Now I am able to compare the 156297/156298 to the 156435/156416 varients and an confirm there is a massive difference.

    The outside unit of the 156297/156298 is smaller and lighter.. Where as the 156435/156416 is much bigger and has a larger fan.. it also has a 'cover' over the pipe inputs... And it seems to have a lot more fins.

    The spec is slightly different too:

    Left number 297/298, right number 435/416

    Cooling Capacity 3200W 3500W
    Heating Capacity 3400W 3800W
    Cool Power Input 1350W 1335W
    Heat Power Input 1450W 1475W
    Cool Rated Input 16000W 1800W
    Heat Rated Input 1600W 1830W
    Comp LRA 28A 31A
    SPL 55db 56db


    So, it seems that the bigger one is slighty more powerful.. Uses slightly more power, but is also slightly louder.

    I havn't compared the 'internal' units yet, but I suspect they will also be slightly different.. I wonder which one I should keep???

    Jon
    Tomfoolery
    jweaver
    I have read through the instructions and now have a few quesiton..

    1. Power.. How have you managed to supply mains to the internal unit so that it looks neat? Mine is going to be up above my TV near the ceiling and I was planning on instaling a spur/socket or connection unit near by.. But its going to be visible and I wonder if there is any other way to go about it...

    2. 3" hole.. This is the bit which scares me the most.. Drilling the hole isn't a problem.. its having a 3" hold in my wall which does.. On the inside, it won't be visible because the air con unit will be over it.. But outside, there will be a gaping hole with pipes/cables coming through

    Is there any way to put some kind of 'cover' over it to stop the ingress of water? I know you drill the hold uphill, but still. its a big hole and rain lashing onto that side of the house could be a problem.

    3. Brackets.. I was tempted to lay a small concret slab outside to mount the external unit on.. But it might be quicker/easier/cheaper to get the offical 'bracket' and mount it on the wall... Wickes no longer list the part since and since it explicitly says in the intructions that "No alternative Mounting Bracket may be used", what now??? What sort of bracket can you use?


    Jon



    You could use some expanding foam or something to cover up the hole.

    If you have the option, definitely just put the outside unit on the floor - theyre VERY heavy, and not great/impossible for taking up ladders (even with two people).
    jweaver
    Tomfoolery
    You could use some expanding foam or something to cover up the hole.

    If you have the option, definitely just put the outside unit on the floor - theyre VERY heavy, and not great/impossible for taking up ladders (even with two people).


    My plan was to use a bracket, but mount it a few inches off floor level, so there would be no need for ladders.. But since I can't get a bracket, I am just going to floor mount it instead.

    The side of my house has large thich patio slabs which it will probably bolt straight into.. But I am tempted to lay a slab for it, just to make sure its right.. But saying that, the slabs must be 40kg each (probably more) so i am sure they won't shift..


    As for the differences between the 2 models, I have now looked at the indoor unit and am convinced that the 156435/156416 is the superior model.. When comparing the remotes, the 156435/156416 is big, chunk and has a flap which covers the seldom used buttons... Where as the remote on the 156297/156298 is tiny, cluttered and just looks cheap.

    I am as sure as I can be that that the 156297/156298 is slighly inferior.. Therefore, if you get a choice of either types, i would go for the 156435/156416... However saying that, irrespective of model, either is a bargain at this price.

    Jon
    pibpob
    jweaver;5913027
    1. Power.. How have you managed to supply mains to the internal unit so that it looks neat?
    The unit I bought (not related to this one so you'll have to check) has three cores (live/neutral/earth) of the interconnecting cable going straight to the mains inlet on the indoor unit, so I could just connect the mains to the outdoor unit instead. Only do this if you are competent enough with electricity to make an informed decision.

    Alternatively, fit exterior-rated cable from the indoor unit outdoors and back inside in a more discreet place. Same disclaimer applies.
    Blanco
    pibpob
    The DC inverter split unit (i.e. efficient) I bought from eBay came with a special connector that maintains a seal on the pipes to the indoor unit, and even allows multiple connections and disconnections with a microscopic loss of refrigerant/ingress of air (though I haven't had to disconnect it since). There was nothing in the instructions for this about using vacuum pumps.


    That type of system is the only exception I would say. Other systems that require pipe flaring and purging are the ones which can cause problems i.e. these wickes ones.

    The other thing I'm less keen on with these units is that not only do they use the old r407 refrigerant but they are also poor on energy efficiency.

    I recently picked up another unit (originally made in 2006) that uses the later r410a refrigerant and is graded at A for energy efficiency when cooling and also uses a Toshiba compressor. Much better.
    pibpob
    Blanco;5914283
    That type of system [with the special connector] is the only exception I would say. Other systems that require pipe flaring and purging are the ones which can cause problems i.e. these wickes ones.
    Good - looks like some of the huge amount more I paid wasn't just for better efficiency then! I'm surprised that any other sort of system will work at all with air in it. I dread to think how some people are cobbling these together.
    Blanco
    pibpob
    Good - looks like some of the huge amount more I paid wasn't just for better efficiency then! I'm surprised that any other sort of system will work at all with air in it. I dread to think how some people are cobbling these together.


    A lot of the money engineers make come from bad installations apparently. If the system is not evacuated of air and moisture properly, eventually acid builds up and kills the compressor. An expensive mistake. Some people will get away without using a VAC pump though perhaps by luck.

    I presume you picked up an EcoAir one? Some engineers will also try to scaremonger on the fact that these units will have problems down the line. They might, they might not- just as with any other system.
    Jefft
    Blanco;5911616
    Sorry, but I have to disagree with that. Even with precharged systems, VAC'ing is advisable. Acid can build up over time and cause premature failure of the compressor otherwise. It's simple enough using the low pressure valve on the condenser.

    The purging process is not a good method.

    Are you serious?:roll: The system is pressurised why would you suck out all of the gas and then refill it? What could that possibly achieve? You only need to vacuum a system if it has had air in it.
    andyfisher100
    i want to know which country your living in that you think air conditioning in required certainly dont need it in england.
    jweaver
    Blanco
    That type of system is the only exception I would say. Other systems that require pipe flaring and purging are the ones which can cause problems i.e. these wickes ones.

    The other thing I'm less keen on with these units is that not only do they use the old r407 refrigerant but they are also poor on energy efficiency.

    I recently picked up another unit (originally made in 2006) that uses the later r410a refrigerant and is graded at A for energy efficiency when cooling and also uses a Toshiba compressor. Much better.



    This is interesting.. if you have read my posts above, you will know that I have bough BOTH types of units which Wickes sell.

    One appears to be older (and by the looks of things better).. But looking at the spec, the 'better' one uses R407 where as the smaller one is R410a.

    Does this mean that the smaller one is actually better since it uses r410a refrigerant?

    Jon
    jweaver
    pibpob
    The unit I bought (not related to this one so you'll have to check) has three cores (live/neutral/earth) of the interconnecting cable going straight to the mains inlet on the indoor unit, so I could just connect the mains to the outdoor unit instead. Only do this if you are competent enough with electricity to make an informed decision.

    Alternatively, fit exterior-rated cable from the indoor unit outdoors and back inside in a more discreet place. Same disclaimer applies.


    Sorry.. I think you missed my point.. I am going to be mounting the internal unit just below the ceiling. Rather than have a mains cable running down the wall (or trunking) I want to install a 'fused spur'.

    However, since the unit fits flush to the wall, there is no way to mount the spur behind the unit.. This means I will have to put it to the side (or below) which might look a bit messy.

    The other option is to mount the spur lower down the wall, so it can't be seen and then try and feed the mains cable down the cavity.. But this might be a nightmare to do..

    Jon
    Blanco
    Jefft
    Are you serious?:roll: The system is pressurised why would you suck out all of the gas and then refill it? What could that possibly achieve? You only need to vacuum a system if it has had air in it.


    I didn't say you would suck the gas out of it- that alone would cost a small fortune to replace as it needs to be professionally done.

    When you connect the line set, you then make use of the low pressure valve on the condenser unit *without* releasing the refrigerant. So first you would vac the unit and *then* release the refrigerant. This is to ensure, as previously mentioned, there is no moisture/air in the system. This process alone generally takes around an hour (more if leaks are detected).
    Blanco
    jweaver
    This is interesting.. if you have read my posts above, you will know that I have bough BOTH types of units which Wickes sell.

    One appears to be older (and by the looks of things better).. But looking at the spec, the 'better' one uses R407 where as the smaller one is R410a.

    Does this mean that the smaller one is actually better since it uses r410a refrigerant?

    Jon


    Not necessarily so. R410A is just a later refrigerant. Generally speaking, the later models are better and more efficient. For the record, I haven't seen wickes or b&q selling any particularly good ones. They all seem inefficient in one respect or another. I would say only ideal for light use. For heavier use, definitely go for professional install on one of the Japanese brands.

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