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This is a short pre-order (Hopefully the 4th), but works out cheaper than the current revision of the same product (without SP1) which is around the £100 mark. This is a retail upgrade version, not the OEM edition.
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#1
Come on, why the cold votes then?
#2
seems fine to me for dat price
#3
Thanks Arkrank :)
1 Like #4
It's the usual, people who don't like Vista and/or Microsoft will be voting it cold because of their personal preference. Don't take it personally mate, you'll get used to it like the rest of us!

It happens on loads of deals that are good when 'fanboys(girls)' are involved, Mac vs PC, Xbox360 vs PS3, iPod vs Creative (or other MP3 player), iPhone vs any other phone...you get my meaning...

The good thing is that if the deal is actually a good one then the cold votes are usually overcome by others voting hot so give it some time and you'll see heat going up. Personally I'll give it some heat as it is a good price! :thumbsup:

PS Great thing about this is if the price on Amazon goes down in 30 days you can reclaim the price difference back!
#5
would this upgrade from xp or just another version of vista then??
#6
wib_1
would this upgrade from xp or just another version of vista then??


It will upgrade from XP Home, Pro & Media Centre. if you upgrade from pro you will have to do a fresh install, you can not update 'over' the XP (which I wouldn't recomend anyway).

:) :-D
#7
thanks weemee for that
#8
wib_1
would this upgrade from xp or just another version of vista then??


Maybe better partition hard disk throw xp on a smallish partition then its a breeze installing vista. that way u can duel boot. Vista is okay and its quite new. i like it. People who **** microsoft products off really are morons. There was simply no mass market product available so simple to use and there still ain't. its there because Linux and its friends are not up to the job for the average user. Ask yourself this question - would computing be as advanced as it is if it were not for the likes of intel, microsoft etc?
#9
arkrank
Maybe better partition hard disk throw xp on a smallish partition then its a breeze installing vista. that way u can duel boot. Vista is okay and its quite new. i like it. People who **** microsoft products off really are morons. There was simply no mass market product available so simple to use and there still ain't. its there because Linux and its friends are not up to the job for the average user. Ask yourself this question - would computing be as advanced as it is if it were not for the likes of intel, microsoft etc?


thanks :thumbsup:
#10
I know this is the full version upgrade, but really do many home users splash out on a non OEM version in the first place?

In reality, a copy of Vista Home Premium OEM 32-bit Edition will set you back £57.98 at Amazon (probably even cheaper elsewhere), which is a real saving. FWIW, the OEM T&Cs that ties to specific hardware are slacker for Vista than they were for XP (but not completely as flexibile as a full version- granted).

For most users with preinstalled OS's, a full OEM copy is where the sensible money lies.
2 Likes #11
If anyone is considering upgrading from XP to Vista then before buying the software you should run this: The Microsoft Vista Upgrade Advisor.

You can get it from here: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/buyorupgrade/upgradeadvisor.mspx

This runs on your PC and tells you if your hardware (and software) are capable of supporting Vista.

It also points out any software that should be removed before doing the upgrade (in my case I had to take Nero 6 off my PC before doing the upgrade)
#12
jazid
I know this is the full version upgrade, but really do many home users splash out on a non OEM version in the first place?

In reality, a copy of Vista Home Premium OEM 32-bit Edition will set you back £57.98 at Amazon (probably even cheaper elsewhere), which is a real saving. FWIW, the OEM T&Cs that ties to specific hardware are slacker for Vista than they were for XP (but not completely as flexibile as a full version- granted).

For most users with preinstalled OS's, a full OEM copy is where the sensible money lies.


The main advantage with the Vista upgrade software is that you can do an "upgrade in place".

So if you are upgrading from XP Home to XP Home Premium (or Business or Ultimate) you can do an "upgrade in place" that upgrades you from XP to Vista but also keeps all your applications and settings, which makes the upgrade a lot easier.

If you are trying to upgrade from XP Pro to XP Home Premium (which Microsoft consider a downgrade) then you cannot do an "upgrade in place" you have to do a clean install. After a clean install you have to re-install all your applicaitons and set up your e-mail, broadband etc again.

In the second case I agree with jazid, you might as well buy the OEM version and do a clean install anyway.
#13
arkrank
Maybe better partition hard disk throw xp on a smallish partition then its a breeze installing vista. that way u can duel boot. Vista is okay and its quite new. i like it. People who **** microsoft products off really are morons. There was simply no mass market product available so simple to use and there still ain't. its there because Linux and its friends are not up to the job for the average user. Ask yourself this question - would computing be as advanced as it is if it were not for the likes of intel, microsoft etc?


Hilarious! I just love people who think they know computers because they can find their way around a few bits of Microsoft software.

OSX is and has been for many years easier and nicer to use than Windows. Microsoft even copied many of the "new" Vista features from it, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery after all. Ok so Linux distributions such as Ubuntu might not be quite ready for novices, and wont be until they come bundled with machines (as the EEE proves), but they are getting there.

Now I happen to quite like some of Microsoft's software, Visual Studio in particular, but the monopolistic way Microsoft is run and operates is very bad for the industry as a whole. Far from advancing computing Microsoft have actually held back the industry and prevented innovation for many years. Hardware and processors in particular are many years behind where they should be because Microsoft has colluded with the hardware manufacturers to make sure Moores law is bourne out an that everyone upgrades every few years like happy little bunnys. Intel for example had mutli-core processors up and running many years before we saw them, but releases are planned to maximise profits through a more gradual progression than would naturally occur were it not for Microsoft's monopoly. This, when coupled with Microsoft software releases that force hardware upgrades keeps the shareholders happy and hurt the consumer or perhaps you haven't noticed the fact that every new iteration of Windows immediately outdates a huge proportion of existing hardware - and I'm not talking about driver issues either. There is no technical reason why Vista, even with all it's eye candy, could not run on lesser hardware, its memory requirements in particular are a joke to anyone who knows even a little about memory management.

Plus I think you'll find everything good Microsoft have done has either been stolen, copied or brought and so would have existed anyway without Microsoft: MSDOS was copied directly from QDOS/86-DOS, the whole "Windows" idea and a great deal of GUI code was swiped from Zerox, IE was obtained via a buy out, The bulk of DirectX came from the buy out of the English firm RenderMorphics, etc. This pattern continues throughout Microsoft's history, they are the masters of marketing and subversive business practices aimed to make profit, artificially inflate prices and nothing else.

So please next time you defend a serial monopolist (convicted many times in many different courts) remember that you are only hurting yourself :thumbsup:.
#14
megalomaniac
Hilarious! I just love people who think they know computers because they can find their way around a few bits of Microsoft software.

OSX is and has been for many years easier and nicer to use than Windows. Microsoft even copied many of the "new" Vista features from it, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery after all. Ok so Linux distributions such as Ubuntu might not be quite ready for novices, and wont be until they come bundled with machines (as the EEE proves), but they are getting there.

Now I happen to quite like some of Microsoft's software, Visual Studio in particular, but the monopolistic way Microsoft is run and operates is very bad for the industry as a whole. Far from advancing computing Microsoft have actually held back the industry and prevented innovation for many years. Hardware and processors in particular are many years behind where they should be because Microsoft has colluded with the hardware manufacturers to make sure Moores law is bourne out an that everyone upgrades every few years like happy little bunnys. Intel for example had mutli-core processors up and running many years before we saw them, but releases are planned to maximise profits through a more gradual progression than would naturally occur were it not for Microsoft's monopoly. This, when coupled with Microsoft software releases that force hardware upgrades keeps the shareholders happy and hurt the consumer or perhaps you haven't noticed the fact that every new iteration of Windows immediately outdates a huge proportion of existing hardware - and I'm not talking about driver issues either. There is no technical reason why Vista, even with all it's eye candy, could not run on lesser hardware, its memory requirements in particular are a joke to anyone who knows even a little about memory management.

Plus I think you'll find everything good Microsoft have done has either been stolen, copied or brought and so would have existed anyway without Microsoft: MSDOS was copied directly from QDOS/86-DOS, the whole "Windows" idea and a great deal of GUI code was swiped from Zerox, IE was obtained via a buy out, The bulk of DirectX came from the buy out of the English firm RenderMorphics, etc. This pattern continues throughout Microsoft's history, they are the masters of marketing and subversive business practices aimed to make profit, artificially inflate prices and nothing else.

So please next time you defend a serial monopolist (convicted many times in many different courts) remember that you are only hurting yourself :thumbsup:.


Prince **** you are. I actually have qualifications in computing. Do you? and if yes what are they and where did u get them.. next time you make comments as farcical as you have remember that microsoft did not steal, or maybe you ripped that off from another web site
#15
arkrank
Prince **** you are. I actually have qualifications in computing. Do you? and if yes what are they and where did u get them.. next time you make comments as farcical as you have remember that microsoft did not steal, or maybe you ripped that off from another web site


Actually they did, but that's largely irrelevant to the point anyway :thumbsup:.

I have an a-level in computing, a 1st class honors degree in computer science and a masters with distinction in industrial computing systems as well as many years experience working with the things...... How about you? :whistling:
#16
megalomaniac
Plus I think you'll find everything good Microsoft have done has either been stolen, copied or brought ...


You could of course be talking about any large company. Anyone for an Apple? :thumbsup:
#17
arkrank
Prince **** you are. I actually have qualifications in computing. Do you? and if yes what are they and where did u get them.. next time you make comments as farcical as you have remember that microsoft did not steal, or maybe you ripped that off from another web site


I agree with arkrank.

Much of what Microsoft have done has been started by other people and they have either stolen their ideas, or bought the technology.

You cannot argue that they are a large successful company, but the way they have got into their position has often been using some very underhand methods.

They bought Windows NT off DEC (which became XP, Server etc), they bought SQL Server off Sybase, they bought the original DOS off someone else, Internet Explorer was based on Mocaic, and so it goes on.

They have secret APIs in Windows that are only known to their developers so that MS Office runs better than other office products. Years ago, when they were in an "office" war with Lotus the Windows developers had a sign on their wall "Windows aint done till Lotus dont run".

During the browser wars they put code in Internet Explorer that made web sites designed for Netscape display badly to encourage people to design for IE.

The list goes on.
#18
I have to ask Arkrank: What computing qualifications do you hold?
#19
megalomaniac

I have an a-level in computing, a 1st class honors degree in computer science and a masters with distinction in industrial computing systems as well as many years experience working with the things...... How about you? :whistling:


Lots of qualifications, but unable to work out quite what people think of you when you post things like this.

*PLEASE* stop all this my-x-is-better-than-your-x nonsense. It was tedious in the days of the ZX Spectrum and C64, sigh-inducing in the days of the ST and Amiga, and it's sure as hell tedious now.

By the way, it is honours not honors. Yes, petty isn't it?

'Doc
#20
guilbert53
They bought Windows NT off DEC (which became XP, Server etc)

They hired a bunch of guys to work on NT development that used to work for DEC which is not the same thing at all.
#21
megalomaniac
Actually they did, but that's largely irrelevant to the point anyway :thumbsup:.

I have an a-level in computing, a 1st class honors degree in computer science and a masters with distinction in industrial computing systems as well as many years experience working with the things...... How about you? :whistling:


Prove it? I don't believe you. As soon as u mentioned ubunta as a main linux i was sure u were waffling. Vista is based somewhat on Novell Suse linux and shares elements with it (microsoft & Novell are partners) A quick back-to-back will confirm this. While many firms run the backend on linux (redhat et al) the plebs doing the work out front use windows because they can't use linux. Where did you get your qualifications?

What u said could be obtained in a computing history book and thats the impression i get. Like the bloke who knows everything about cars but can't change a spark plug cause he likes to impress folks with his knowledge.

I am sorry for boring people as this was about a decent deal on vista. Even if u thought i was a complete buffoon u could have been a little more diplomatic. U seem frustrated' are u angry?
#22
So, Arktank. Two questions about your qualifications and still no response.
#23
Zad
Lots of qualifications, but unable to work out quite what people think of you when you post things like this.

*PLEASE* stop all this my-x-is-better-than-your-x nonsense. It was tedious in the days of the ZX Spectrum and C64, sigh-inducing in the days of the ST and Amiga, and it's sure as hell tedious now.

By the way, it is honours not honors. Yes, petty isn't it?

'Doc


Well he did ask directly so I answered directly. Honors, :giggle: yes that will teach me to proof read in future wont it :-D.

Anyway it's not a my stuff is better than your stuff point I was making, it was a response the the assumption that any cold votes must be from Microsoft haters and that people who do not think the sun shines out of their backside "really are morons". £80 for an upgrade version which is useless without XP is still a lot to many.

Personally I actually use MS software a lot, and like I said some of it such as Visual Studio is quite good
#24
arkrank
Prove it? I don't believe you. As soon as u mentioned ubunta as a main linux i was sure u were waffling. Vista is based somewhat on Novell Suse linux and shares elements with it (microsoft & Novell are partners) A quick back-to-back will confirm this. While many firms run the backend on linux (redhat et al) the plebs doing the work out front use windows because they can't use linux. Where did you get your qualifications?


Ubuntu is the most popular Linux distribution and has been for sometime, it is therefore the most likely to gain any mainstream momentum and the one that many non geeks have heard of. Check distrowatch or similar if you do not believe me.

I don't think I need to "prove" anything, I called your bluff on your "qualifications in computing" just chalk it up to experience and move on :thumbsup:.

arkrank
What u said could be obtained in a computing history book and thats the impression i get. Like the bloke who knows everything about cars but can't change a spark plug cause he likes to impress folks with his knowledge.


So if what I said can be "obtained in a computing history book" you are admitting I am right then :whistling:.


arkrank
I am sorry for boring people as this was about a decent deal on vista. Even if u thought i was a complete buffoon u could have been a little more diplomatic. U seem frustrated' are u angry?


I was simply correcting you on the assumption that "People who **** microsoft products off really are morons", but you are right I could probably have been more diplomatic and for that I apologise.
#25
Weemee
You could of course be talking about any large company. Anyone for an Apple? :thumbsup:


Indeed, they have done some questionable things over the years too. They've never (yet) leveraged a monopoly to gain market share in other areas and to force others out of business though, like MS did with IE vs Netscape etc.
#26
megalomaniac
Indeed, they have done some questionable things over the years too. They've never (yet) leveraged a monopoly to gain market share in other areas and to force others out of business though, like MS did with IE vs Netscape etc.


I'll quote this one as the others are huge. Called my bluff. Don't think so. I asked you a question you never answered. I asked a question and you responded with a question. Normally a question receives an answer. I did not say you were right on the history, only that it was that simple.

I said people who **** microsoft off really are morons, i should have been more specific in saying taking cheap shots is worthless and ungrateful. If other firms are unable to bring their products to market is it a crime for microsoft to do it? By doing so the users of that technology benefit. When they bought the firm that made virtual pc (can't remember the name now) they gave it away free. You know that virtual pc is a handy piece of software. I was not defending a serial monopolist as u claim, but the software works for many people. Monopolies are illegal in the United States, therefore microsoft is not a monopoly, if they were a monopoly they would have been broken up like the baby bells and others before.

You said you were simply correcting me for saying people who **** ms products are morons, but u said "Hilarious! I just love people who think they know computers because they can find their way around a few bits of Microsoft software" If i said what my qualifications were would you believe me? how would you know? I can say anything. The only way to know is hands on knowledge. I never take notice of technical paragraphs because these can be googled or taken from a book. Ms may have held back some technologies as you say. Are you referring to the silicon gel technology IBM were close to finalising in 1999 and were complaining to any who would listen that Bill Gates said he was not ready for it yet?

This argument could go on forever as you are aware and we would still be no further forward. Assuming someone is lying because they have not coughed up the qualifications is pretty petty considering u were attacking and i was defending. Others have used words like 'steal' to indicate copying or imitating technology originally developed by others without indicating how many patent infringements have been filed against Ms. Like others have said this was supposed to be about a decent price for vista but have been captured by us and a few others. Trying to batter me into submission with an onslaught of information would never work and i think you could have handled the subject a little better
#27
I told you exactly what my qualifications are, you have still not answered repeated questions about yours. So you REALLY cannot talk about not answering questions. Besides I cannot prove my qualifications without posting personal information, which I have no intention of doing on a public forum nor to the likes of someone like you.

Oh, and if I am so wrong please to feel free to prove it instead of waffling on about how you "never take notice of technical paragraphs". It seems a bit hypocritical to me, on the one hand demanding proof of my technical prowess and on the other pointing out you don't pay attention to that sort of thing. Something to hide perhaps?

I've already appologised for being a bit harsh to begin with, but you didn't half annoy me with that comment of yours. I've yet to see a similar retraction for your comments, or do you feel it is okay to act like a child throwing the toys out of the pram when pulled up on being less than respectful of other peoples opinions?
#28
megalomaniac
I told you exactly what my qualifications are, you have still not answered repeated questions about yours. So you REALLY cannot talk about not answering questions. Besides I cannot prove my qualifications without posting personal information, which I have no intention of doing on a public forum nor to the likes of someone like you.

Err, i asked the question, you responded with a question. Answer it and i'll give you the answer you ask. I asked where you got them?

Oh, and if I am so wrong please to feel free to prove it instead of waffling on about how you "never take notice of technical paragraphs". It seems a bit hypocritical to me, on the one hand demanding proof of my technical prowess and on the other pointing out you don't pay attention to that sort of thing. Something to hide perhaps?

Asking for proof of your qualifications has nothing to do with you blurting out paragraphs on computer history. They are different matters.

I've already appologised for being a bit harsh to begin with, but you didn't half annoy me with that comment of yours. What comment? I've yet to see a similar retraction for your comments, or do you feel it is okay to act like a child throwing the toys out of the pram when pulled up on being less than respectful of other peoples opinions? Pointing out disrespect in those opinions is not being disrespectful on my side
#29
arkrank
Pointing out disrespect in those opinions is not being disrespectful on my side


No but calling them morons is.

I got my a-levels from college and my degrees from a UK university ranked highly for computer science, any more detail than that is frankly none of your business.

FYI Microsoft have been convicted on monopolistic behavior in the US multiple times, including occasions where the company has been ordered to be broken up. They escaped that by throwing money at lawyers until the problem went away on appeal. The EU has also convicted them on monopolistic behavior on multiple occasions, most recently in this case: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7266629.stm

Oh and please don't preach to me about technical issues when you can't even manage to quote a reply properly in an internet forum. :thumbsup:
#30
megalomaniac
No but calling them morons is.

I got my a-levels from college and my degrees from a UK university ranked highly for computer science, any more detail than that is frankly none of your business.

FYI Microsoft have been convicted on monopolistic behavior in the US multiple times, including occasions where the company has been ordered to be broken up. They escaped that by throwing money at lawyers until the problem went away on appeal. The EU has also convicted them on monopolistic behavior on multiple occasions, most recently in this case: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7266629.stm

Oh and please don't preach to me about technical issues when you can't even manage to quote a reply properly in an internet forum. :thumbsup:


Is that the best you can do. You lost this argument. Everything you said is complete and utter waffle. To have the qualifications you claim to hold indicates a degree of intelligence. U have not shown any. The EU case was about stiffling competition and allowing competitiors access to the code. Don't throw anymore i can google better than you rubbish at me, its boring. Better you go away and read those computer books you bought from ebay in preparation for the next guy that asks you what qualifications you hold and where you got them.
#31
arkrank
Is that the best you can do. You lost this argument. Everything you said is complete and utter waffle. To have the qualifications you claim to hold indicates a degree of intelligence. U have not shown any. The EU case was about stiffling competition and allowing competitiors access to the code. Don't throw anymore i can google better than you rubbish at me, its boring. Better you go away and read those computer books you bought from ebay in preparation for the next guy that asks you what qualifications you hold and where you got them.


LOL you are hilarious, if "stiffling competition and allowing competitiors access to the code" isn't monopolistic behavior then what is??? (BTW it's stifling and competitors :giggle:)

Seriously are you having a laugh? You have yet to prove a single word I have said wrong, in fact some of what you have said has only re-enforced that I am right. Maybe you will develop enough intelligence to pick your fights and check your facts before you shout your mouth off once you hit puberty, so until then I bid you adiue. :thumbsup:
#32
megalomaniac
LOL you are hilarious, if "stiffling competition and allowing competitiors access to the code" isn't monopolistic behavior then what is??? (BTW it's stifling and competitors :giggle:)

Seriously are you having a laugh? You have yet to prove a single word I have said wrong, in fact some of what you have said has only re-enforced that I am right. Maybe you will develop enough intelligence to pick your fights and check your facts before you shout your mouth off once you hit puberty, so until then I bid you adiue. :thumbsup:


Another zinger from the cherry picker. You still don't get it. So i'll spell it out. Get Novell Suse Linux then compare with Vista. You know zero about computers the more you talk the more you sink
1 Like #33
why bother spending £80 upgrading to Vista when it is cr*p. Some programs/hardware on your computer might not cope with the upgrade.

I'd save and consider a Mac, after all Vista has copied (badly) many OS X features afterall http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/
#34
arkrank
Another zinger from the cherry picker. You still don't get it. So i'll spell it out. Get Novell Suse Linux then compare with Vista. You know zero about computers the more you talk the more you sink


This is my absolute LAST word on this, I've wasted enough time educating you: Direct from Novell's own website: http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/compare-to-vista.html which is a comparison of Vista and SUSE. Partners they may be but only to the extent of developing Windows/Linux interoperability tools together and agreeing not to sue each other, which you would know if you were even one hundredth as competent as you claim to be.

Now I suggest you give that whole area of the Novell site a damn good read and crawl back into whatever hole you came from with your tail between your legs, or at least learn to Google before you post nonsense.
#35
megalomaniac
This is my absolute LAST word on this, I've wasted enough time educating you: Direct from Novell's own website: http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/compare-to-vista.html which is a comparison of Vista and SUSE. Partners they may be but only to the extent of developing Windows/Linux interoperability tools together and agreeing not to sue each other, which you would know if you were even one hundredth as competent as you claim to be.

Now I suggest you give that whole area of the Novell site a damn good read and crawl back into whatever hole you came from with your tail between your legs, or at least learn to Google before you post nonsense.


U could not do the math on a computer science course, who are you kidding. Can't u read what i said. See now that your beaten you've become nasty as all vanquished wafflers are. "crawl back into whatever hole you came from with your tail between your legs" your falling apart and lack credibility. People invest huge amounts of capital and labour developing software and u come out with complete zingers. Yanks rule the planet because they are smart and you can attack MS all you want cause neither they nor i care.
#36
...it's clearly a slack day in the Arkrank / Meglomaniac offices today. Still, it has kept me chuckling.
:)
Now come on, shake hands and be on your way, or no tea for either of you...
:roll:
#37
shady
...it's clearly a slack day in the Arkrank / Meglomaniac offices today. Still, it has kept me chuckling.

Now come on, shake hands and be on your way, or no tea for either of you...


So long as it entertained someone :thumbsup::giggle:.

Anyway back to the deal, lol. Not a bad price for Vista, shame it's only the upgrade disc.......Although for those in the know there is a loophole that lets you use it to do a clean install: http://windowssecrets.com/comp/080403#story1.....but I didn't tell you that, as it is technically in breach of the EULA ;-)

Not that anyone in their right mind would be installing Vista anyway :whistling: hehe.

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