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WRC 3 £4.24 at Gamefly

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2y, 5m agoFound 2 years, 5 months ago
£4.24 with code UKJUN15OFF thanks to BuzzDuraband

Expect this to reach the dizzy heights of about 54 degrees - despite the fact it's superior to the mediocre offerings of Codemasters these days.

Since Codemasters have lowered themselves to pandering to the sk8ter kidz, the talented team at Milestone are one of the last bastions of proper, hardcore rally sims.

I went from WRC1 to WRC3 and this is a fantastic rally sim. Firm but fair - just how it should be.
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#1
http://i1-games.softpedia-static.com/screenshots/WRC-3-FIA-World-Rally-Championship_9.jpg
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http://www.dsogaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/WRC3-2012-10-20-05-15-21-93.jpg
[HUKD Deal Editor]#3
This game never seems to be received overly well here, I'm not sure why.

I have never played it, However I love the (Colin McRae) Dirt games, Which were then spoiled with all the Gymkhana crap (can I say crap?), Anyway, Is this just a straight forward rally game? And how does is compare to the good sides of Dirt?
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Also to add, It's £4.24 with code UKJUN15OFF
#5
BuzzDuraband
This game never seems to be received overly well here, I'm not sure why.

I have never played it, However I love the (Colin McRae) Dirt games, Which were then spoiled with all the Gymkhana crap (can I say crap?), Anyway, Is this just a straight forward rally game? And how does is compare to the good sides of Dirt?

This compares more to the greatness of Codemasters rally games before Dirt. It is definitely 100% a straight rally game. There are a few events thrown in but it's easy to avoid those - this features proper teams, proper stages and proper cars. It's certainly easily worth £4.99.
banned 1 Like #6
No Steam. No sale :)

Personal preference. Heat :D
#7
jaystan
No Steam. No sale :)
What client does it use?
#8
Nevasleep
jaystan
No Steam. No sale :)
What client does it use?

Just the Gamefly one to download it - then once installed you're bloatware free! ^_^
#9
Heat from me, decent price for this :)
1 Like #10
Elevation
Nevasleep
jaystan
No Steam. No sale :)
What client does it use?

Just the Gamefly one to download it - then once installed you're bloatware free! ^_^

...but forever lumbered with manually checking for patches and installing them yourself. I wouldn't call Steam bloatware... it actually serves a great purpose. :p
banned 1 Like #11
PurplePerson
Elevation
Nevasleep
jaystan
No Steam. No sale :)

What client does it use?


Just the Gamefly one to download it - then once installed you're bloatware free! ^_^


...but forever lumbered with manually checking for patches and installing them yourself. I wouldn't call Steam bloatware... it actually serves a great purpose. :p


Online saves, in game chat, achievements, updates, cards, trading, discussions.........so many uses :)
#12
PurplePerson
Elevation
Nevasleep
jaystan
No Steam. No sale :)
What client does it use?

Just the Gamefly one to download it - then once installed you're bloatware free! ^_^

...but forever lumbered with manually checking for patches and installing them yourself. I wouldn't call Steam bloatware... it actually serves a great purpose. :p

You might not call it that, but that's literally what Steam is - under any definition of the word. I prefer owning my games rather than renting them. And how hard really is it to manually patch something....really...? Do you need reminding of the wonder of auto-patching when the patch released f***s the game up (Saints Row IV to name one).
#13
I bought this game some time ago. Not bad at all but nothing special either. I by far prefer DiRT 2.
#14
@elevation: 75 million+ people disagree.

Edited By: Hredknapp on Jun 18, 2014 13:51
#15
Hredknapp
75 million+ people disagree.

Absolutely incorrect. 75 million+ people are merely forced to use bloatware by lazy publishers.
#16
KirstyB87
I bought this game some time ago. Not bad at all but nothing special either. I by far prefer DiRT 2.

Your opinion is wrong. :p Besides which, I'm steering clear of Dirt 2 since as far as I'm aware it uses the dreadful StarForce copy protection. Not sure if they removed it in the digital download versions though.
#17
Elevation
KirstyB87
I bought this game some time ago. Not bad at all but nothing special either. I by far prefer DiRT 2.

Your opinion is wrong. :p Besides which, I'm steering clear of Dirt 2 since as far as I'm aware it uses the dreadful StarForce copy protection. Not sure if they removed it in the digital download versions though.

http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/Opinion_2%281%29.jpg

Hehe! :D

I own DiRT 2 on Steam so I don't know if the DRM you refer to applies to that or just the retail/disc version?

That said, Codemasters have refused to remove GFWL and transfer the game to Steamworks so that's a sore point.
[helper] 1 Like #18
Bought this for £3.99 off PSN. Well worth the money. I play it a lot more than I thought I would.

Heat added.
#19
BuzzDuraband
This game never seems to be received overly well here, I'm not sure why.

I have never played it, However I love the (Colin McRae) Dirt games, Which were then spoiled with all the Gymkhana crap (can I say crap?), Anyway, Is this just a straight forward rally game? And how does is compare to the good sides of Dirt?
I agree about that Gymkhana crap, it leaves a bad taste to a good game. But while Dirt offers different aspects to dirt racing, WRC series tries to keep its focus in traditional WRC rallying. And when they decide to do that, I expect the driving experience to be pure and realistic. I was very dissappointed when I tested the demo of WRC 3, the cars behave like there's no realistic correlation between acceleration, braking & cornering whatsoever. It's a shame, because the level of detail and graphics are well above average to what I've seen before in rally games. The feel of the car alone has made me not to buy this game.

Edited By: paradiddle on Jun 18, 2014 17:27
1 Like #20
I can't say I can't say I agree with the comments about Steam being unwanted. It was a welcome addition to PC gaming for myself. As others have said, its not just about patching but so much more (besides if a crap patch comes, just block the download). They allow me to download them on any connected machines as many times as I like, save all my game keys and means I don't have to use a disk drive and keep the boxes. The platform has got more and more stable over the years, they still create more and more features like Big Picture and Streaming. What I don't agree with was Origin and uPlay, they serve no purpose... they are miles away from competing with Steam (deffos uPlay) and in offer little in the way of advantages over using Steam. At least Games for Windows has gone.
#21
carsick77
I can't say I can't say I agree with the comments about Steam being unwanted. It was a welcome addition to PC gaming for myself. As others have said, its not just about patching but so much more (besides if a crap patch comes, just block the download). They allow me to download them on any connected machines as many times as I like, save all my game keys and means I don't have to use a disk drive and keep the boxes. The platform has got more and more stable over the years, they still create more and more features like Big Picture and Streaming. What I don't agree with was Origin and uPlay, they serve no purpose... they are miles away from competing with Steam (deffos uPlay) and in offer little in the way of advantages over using Steam. At least Games for Windows has gone.

It wasn't deemed necessary before we were forced to use it if we wanted to play a game we'd just paid money for in 2004 and it's just as loathed/liked now. I suppose it's a Marmite thing. Personally I'm quite capable of taking a few seconds of my time installing to my chosen custom destination in the Start menu, and don't need my hand holding (aka "Games library"). Achievements are utterly worthless, serve absolutely no purpose and in adventure games just look ridiculous - often they aren't even used for those. Steam as bloatware goes is mostly seen as a necessary evil - but when it fails to start, and also tells you "Steam cannot start in offline mode", what then? Tough luck - no game for you that you've just paid money for. Well isn't that just wonderful.....
#22
Finally WRC 3 gets more than 100!! I should damn well think so!! It should get high EVERY time someone posts it it's a great rally sim. The thing that struck me most of all about playing this was that I discovered that after doing badly driving with the mindset of "this is a computer car", once I started driving in the way I actually drive a real car, I was starting to do much better. This is the kind of game you'd still want Codemasters to be doing - Milestone have been doing driving games for a VERY long time so I'd recommend it. Just wish WRC 4 would come up at this price.
#23
Elevation
carsick77
I can't say I can't say I agree with the comments about Steam being unwanted. It was a welcome addition to PC gaming for myself. As others have said, its not just about patching but so much more (besides if a crap patch comes, just block the download). They allow me to download them on any connected machines as many times as I like, save all my game keys and means I don't have to use a disk drive and keep the boxes. The platform has got more and more stable over the years, they still create more and more features like Big Picture and Streaming. What I don't agree with was Origin and uPlay, they serve no purpose... they are miles away from competing with Steam (deffos uPlay) and in offer little in the way of advantages over using Steam. At least Games for Windows has gone.

It wasn't deemed necessary before we were forced to use it if we wanted to play a game we'd just paid money for in 2004 and it's just as loathed/liked now. I suppose it's a Marmite thing. Personally I'm quite capable of taking a few seconds of my time installing to my chosen custom destination in the Start menu, and don't need my hand holding (aka "Games library"). Achievements are utterly worthless, serve absolutely no purpose and in adventure games just look ridiculous - often they aren't even used for those. Steam as bloatware goes is mostly seen as a necessary evil - but when it fails to start, and also tells you "Steam cannot start in offline mode", what then? Tough luck - no game for you that you've just paid money for. Well isn't that just wonderful.....

I agree with achievements, I have no love for them. Even when there has been bits of downtime, I have always been able log in 'offline mode' and play my installed games. For those of us who travel alot and dont want to carry ISO's or game cases, its a god send in that case.

When formatting or changing hard drives their back up and restore works brilliantly along with verifying a corrupted installed game.
banned#24
Elevation
carsick77
I can't say I can't say I agree with the comments about Steam being unwanted. It was a welcome addition to PC gaming for myself. As others have said, its not just about patching but so much more (besides if a crap patch comes, just block the download). They allow me to download them on any connected machines as many times as I like, save all my game keys and means I don't have to use a disk drive and keep the boxes. The platform has got more and more stable over the years, they still create more and more features like Big Picture and Streaming. What I don't agree with was Origin and uPlay, they serve no purpose... they are miles away from competing with Steam (deffos uPlay) and in offer little in the way of advantages over using Steam. At least Games for Windows has gone.

It wasn't deemed necessary before we were forced to use it if we wanted to play a game we'd just paid money for in 2004 and it's just as loathed/liked now. I suppose it's a Marmite thing. Personally I'm quite capable of taking a few seconds of my time installing to my chosen custom destination in the Start menu, and don't need my hand holding (aka "Games library"). Achievements are utterly worthless, serve absolutely no purpose and in adventure games just look ridiculous - often they aren't even used for those. Steam as bloatware goes is mostly seen as a necessary evil - but when it fails to start, and also tells you "Steam cannot start in offline mode", what then? Tough luck - no game for you that you've just paid money for. Well isn't that just wonderful.....

I think what you are mistaking is that a lot of people feel like you. They don't. 75 million users is not marmite and neither is Steam loathed. In fact a lot of the time is seen as the saviour of PC gaming. Playing one game your way may be fine. Keeping track of 1500 games and their updates gets a little complicated. Anything that is so unobtrusive as Steam yet gives you so many benefits is welcome.
#25
carsick77
Elevation
carsick77
I can't say I can't say I agree with the comments about Steam being unwanted. It was a welcome addition to PC gaming for myself. As others have said, its not just about patching but so much more (besides if a crap patch comes, just block the download). They allow me to download them on any connected machines as many times as I like, save all my game keys and means I don't have to use a disk drive and keep the boxes. The platform has got more and more stable over the years, they still create more and more features like Big Picture and Streaming. What I don't agree with was Origin and uPlay, they serve no purpose... they are miles away from competing with Steam (deffos uPlay) and in offer little in the way of advantages over using Steam. At least Games for Windows has gone.

It wasn't deemed necessary before we were forced to use it if we wanted to play a game we'd just paid money for in 2004 and it's just as loathed/liked now. I suppose it's a Marmite thing. Personally I'm quite capable of taking a few seconds of my time installing to my chosen custom destination in the Start menu, and don't need my hand holding (aka "Games library"). Achievements are utterly worthless, serve absolutely no purpose and in adventure games just look ridiculous - often they aren't even used for those. Steam as bloatware goes is mostly seen as a necessary evil - but when it fails to start, and also tells you "Steam cannot start in offline mode", what then? Tough luck - no game for you that you've just paid money for. Well isn't that just wonderful.....

I agree with achievements, I have no love for them. Even when there has been bits of downtime, I have always been able log in 'offline mode' and play my installed games. For those of us who travel alot and dont want to carry ISO's or game cases, its a god send in that case.

When formatting or changing hard drives their back up and restore works brilliantly along with verifying a corrupted installed game.

You do realise you can do without all those .iso files and disks and have DRM free games held on sites like Gamersgate - without any need for Steam too. What disappoints me are the sheer number of people who think Steam is the only digital retail option for games. It is far from.
#26
jaystan
Elevation
carsick77
I can't say I can't say I agree with the comments about Steam being unwanted. It was a welcome addition to PC gaming for myself. As others have said, its not just about patching but so much more (besides if a crap patch comes, just block the download). They allow me to download them on any connected machines as many times as I like, save all my game keys and means I don't have to use a disk drive and keep the boxes. The platform has got more and more stable over the years, they still create more and more features like Big Picture and Streaming. What I don't agree with was Origin and uPlay, they serve no purpose... they are miles away from competing with Steam (deffos uPlay) and in offer little in the way of advantages over using Steam. At least Games for Windows has gone.

It wasn't deemed necessary before we were forced to use it if we wanted to play a game we'd just paid money for in 2004 and it's just as loathed/liked now. I suppose it's a Marmite thing. Personally I'm quite capable of taking a few seconds of my time installing to my chosen custom destination in the Start menu, and don't need my hand holding (aka "Games library"). Achievements are utterly worthless, serve absolutely no purpose and in adventure games just look ridiculous - often they aren't even used for those. Steam as bloatware goes is mostly seen as a necessary evil - but when it fails to start, and also tells you "Steam cannot start in offline mode", what then? Tough luck - no game for you that you've just paid money for. Well isn't that just wonderful.....

I think what you are mistaking is that a lot of people feel like you. They don't. 75 million users is not marmite and neither is Steam loathed. In fact a lot of the time is seen as the saviour of PC gaming. Playing one game your way may be fine. Keeping track of 1500 games and their updates gets a little complicated. Anything that is so unobtrusive as Steam yet gives you so many benefits is welcome.

As I did actually say earlier - 75 million users are forced to use bloatware if they have the audacity to want to play their game they just paid for - because publishers don't really care what gamers think they'll just whack it on to Steam. I find a piece of bloatware that blocks me from playing my own game just because it throws a hissy fit and won't start up fairly obtrusive actually! And I've already put to bed the old chestnut people wheel out "heard of offline mode?". Yes I have and when that also crashes - do tell me what then? Because it's not like it's only crashed the once here, and it's also not like Steam lovers would pretend "oh that was just teething problems years ago". I also speak from the bitter experience of having my Steam account compromised and having to go through the shockingly bad process of trying to get my account back - which was made as complicated as you could possibly imagine to the point where I just gave up and started gradually buying all my Steam games again. The point here is the complete lack of choice. "Use Steam, or no game for you". That's not a choice any real gamer should be arm-locked into having to make.
#27
paradiddle
I was very dissappointed when I tested the demo of WRC 3, the cars behave like there's no realistic correlation between acceleration, braking & cornering whatsoever. It's a shame, because the level of detail and graphics are well above average to what I've seen before in rally games. The feel of the car alone has made me not to buy this game.

Maybe the demo wasn't reflective of the finished game? Really I implore you to at least try it out for less than a fiver. They've put so much effort into it from the car set up, graphics, stages, actual co-drivers doing the co-driver voices, enthusiastic (and English) voiceovers before the stages. It's a lovely piece of rallying in an age of not all that much excitement for us long suffering PC gamers.
banned 1 Like #28
Elevation
jaystan
Elevation
carsick77
I can't say I can't say I agree with the comments about Steam being unwanted. It was a welcome addition to PC gaming for myself. As others have said, its not just about patching but so much more (besides if a crap patch comes, just block the download). They allow me to download them on any connected machines as many times as I like, save all my game keys and means I don't have to use a disk drive and keep the boxes. The platform has got more and more stable over the years, they still create more and more features like Big Picture and Streaming. What I don't agree with was Origin and uPlay, they serve no purpose... they are miles away from competing with Steam (deffos uPlay) and in offer little in the way of advantages over using Steam. At least Games for Windows has gone.

It wasn't deemed necessary before we were forced to use it if we wanted to play a game we'd just paid money for in 2004 and it's just as loathed/liked now. I suppose it's a Marmite thing. Personally I'm quite capable of taking a few seconds of my time installing to my chosen custom destination in the Start menu, and don't need my hand holding (aka "Games library"). Achievements are utterly worthless, serve absolutely no purpose and in adventure games just look ridiculous - often they aren't even used for those. Steam as bloatware goes is mostly seen as a necessary evil - but when it fails to start, and also tells you "Steam cannot start in offline mode", what then? Tough luck - no game for you that you've just paid money for. Well isn't that just wonderful.....

I think what you are mistaking is that a lot of people feel like you. They don't. 75 million users is not marmite and neither is Steam loathed. In fact a lot of the time is seen as the saviour of PC gaming. Playing one game your way may be fine. Keeping track of 1500 games and their updates gets a little complicated. Anything that is so unobtrusive as Steam yet gives you so many benefits is welcome.

As I did actually say earlier - 75 million users are forced to use bloatware if they have the audacity to want to play their game they just paid for - because publishers don't really care what gamers think they'll just whack it on to Steam. I find a piece of bloatware that blocks me from playing my own game just because it throws a hissy fit and won't start up fairly obtrusive actually! And I've already put to bed the old chestnut people wheel out "heard of offline mode?". Yes I have and when that also crashes - do tell me what then? Because it's not like it's only crashed the once here, and it's also not like Steam lovers would pretend "oh that was just teething problems years ago". I also speak from the bitter experience of having my Steam account compromised and having to go through the shockingly bad process of trying to get my account back - which was made as complicated as you could possibly imagine to the point where I just gave up and started gradually buying all my Steam games again. The point here is the complete lack of choice. "Use Steam, or no game for you". That's not a choice any real gamer should be arm-locked into having to make.

I have plenty of choices when the same game is on Origin/Uplay or Drm Free. Would still use the Steam version every time, as would most of those 75 million. In most threads you will see people ask if it comes with a Steam key, that is not being forced. Again you are mistaking how you feel for how most feel. With Steam Guard on accounts being compromised shouldn't happen apart from user error.

Indie bundles are listed as 60p on here as that is what most will pay to get Steam keys even though paying a penny gets DRM Free versions. Bundles without Steam keys sell less than those that do.


Edited By: jaystan on Jun 18, 2014 23:56: edit
#29
Elevation
paradiddle
I was very dissappointed when I tested the demo of WRC 3, the cars behave like there's no realistic correlation between acceleration, braking & cornering whatsoever. It's a shame, because the level of detail and graphics are well above average to what I've seen before in rally games. The feel of the car alone has made me not to buy this game.

Maybe the demo wasn't reflective of the finished game? Really I implore you to at least try it out for less than a fiver. They've put so much effort into it from the car set up, graphics, stages, actual co-drivers doing the co-driver voices, enthusiastic (and English) voiceovers before the stages. It's a lovely piece of rallying in an age of not all that much excitement for us long suffering PC gamers.
Hmm, maybe I should look into it once more. I read some mixed reviews when the game was released, and I thought they hadn't made too much of an improvement. Maybe I'm being too harsh, but driving games have improved a lot in recent years, which has raised my expectations, too.
#30
Elevation
carsick77
Elevation
carsick77
I can't say I can't say I agree with the comments about Steam being unwanted. It was a welcome addition to PC gaming for myself. As others have said, its not just about patching but so much more (besides if a crap patch comes, just block the download). They allow me to download them on any connected machines as many times as I like, save all my game keys and means I don't have to use a disk drive and keep the boxes. The platform has got more and more stable over the years, they still create more and more features like Big Picture and Streaming. What I don't agree with was Origin and uPlay, they serve no purpose... they are miles away from competing with Steam (deffos uPlay) and in offer little in the way of advantages over using Steam. At least Games for Windows has gone.

It wasn't deemed necessary before we were forced to use it if we wanted to play a game we'd just paid money for in 2004 and it's just as loathed/liked now. I suppose it's a Marmite thing. Personally I'm quite capable of taking a few seconds of my time installing to my chosen custom destination in the Start menu, and don't need my hand holding (aka "Games library"). Achievements are utterly worthless, serve absolutely no purpose and in adventure games just look ridiculous - often they aren't even used for those. Steam as bloatware goes is mostly seen as a necessary evil - but when it fails to start, and also tells you "Steam cannot start in offline mode", what then? Tough luck - no game for you that you've just paid money for. Well isn't that just wonderful.....

I agree with achievements, I have no love for them. Even when there has been bits of downtime, I have always been able log in 'offline mode' and play my installed games. For those of us who travel alot and dont want to carry ISO's or game cases, its a god send in that case.

When formatting or changing hard drives their back up and restore works brilliantly along with verifying a corrupted installed game.

You do realise you can do without all those .iso files and disks and have DRM free games held on sites like Gamersgate - without any need for Steam too. What disappoints me are the sheer number of people who think Steam is the only digital retail option for games. It is far from.

Not at all, I buy my games from pretty much any where that has it cheapest. Steamworks allows you to buy it from anywhere which prevents them holding the market. As others have said, users do ask 'will this activate on steam' etc as they want steam and they want its features. I love having just one library (as I said, I don't approve of Origin or uPlay as they don't offer a better service and/or more features to warrant a completely new service).

As I said, my opinions, as you have opinions. But I like Steam
#31
jaystan
Elevation
jaystan
Elevation
carsick77
I can't say I can't say I agree with the comments about Steam being unwanted. It was a welcome addition to PC gaming for myself. As others have said, its not just about patching but so much more (besides if a crap patch comes, just block the download). They allow me to download them on any connected machines as many times as I like, save all my game keys and means I don't have to use a disk drive and keep the boxes. The platform has got more and more stable over the years, they still create more and more features like Big Picture and Streaming. What I don't agree with was Origin and uPlay, they serve no purpose... they are miles away from competing with Steam (deffos uPlay) and in offer little in the way of advantages over using Steam. At least Games for Windows has gone.

It wasn't deemed necessary before we were forced to use it if we wanted to play a game we'd just paid money for in 2004 and it's just as loathed/liked now. I suppose it's a Marmite thing. Personally I'm quite capable of taking a few seconds of my time installing to my chosen custom destination in the Start menu, and don't need my hand holding (aka "Games library"). Achievements are utterly worthless, serve absolutely no purpose and in adventure games just look ridiculous - often they aren't even used for those. Steam as bloatware goes is mostly seen as a necessary evil - but when it fails to start, and also tells you "Steam cannot start in offline mode", what then? Tough luck - no game for you that you've just paid money for. Well isn't that just wonderful.....

I think what you are mistaking is that a lot of people feel like you. They don't. 75 million users is not marmite and neither is Steam loathed. In fact a lot of the time is seen as the saviour of PC gaming. Playing one game your way may be fine. Keeping track of 1500 games and their updates gets a little complicated. Anything that is so unobtrusive as Steam yet gives you so many benefits is welcome.

As I did actually say earlier - 75 million users are forced to use bloatware if they have the audacity to want to play their game they just paid for - because publishers don't really care what gamers think they'll just whack it on to Steam. I find a piece of bloatware that blocks me from playing my own game just because it throws a hissy fit and won't start up fairly obtrusive actually! And I've already put to bed the old chestnut people wheel out "heard of offline mode?". Yes I have and when that also crashes - do tell me what then? Because it's not like it's only crashed the once here, and it's also not like Steam lovers would pretend "oh that was just teething problems years ago". I also speak from the bitter experience of having my Steam account compromised and having to go through the shockingly bad process of trying to get my account back - which was made as complicated as you could possibly imagine to the point where I just gave up and started gradually buying all my Steam games again. The point here is the complete lack of choice. "Use Steam, or no game for you". That's not a choice any real gamer should be arm-locked into having to make.

I have plenty of choices when the same game is on Origin/Uplay or Drm Free. Would still use the Steam version every time, as would most of those 75 million. In most threads you will see people ask if it comes with a Steam key, that is not being forced. Again you are mistaking how you feel for how most feel. With Steam Guard on accounts being compromised shouldn't happen apart from user error.

Indie bundles are listed as 60p on here as that is what most will pay to get Steam keys even though paying a penny gets DRM Free versions. Bundles without Steam keys sell less than those that do.


You're mistaking "forced to use Steam by publishers" with "oh, must love and be totally happy with then!".

And I also noticed you failed to answer this one so please do :

Elevation
I find a piece of bloatware that blocks me from playing my own game just because it throws a hissy fit and won't start up fairly obtrusive actually! And I've already put to bed the old chestnut people wheel out "heard of offline mode?". Yes I have and when that also crashes - do tell me what then?

This is because you can't, comfortably, answer that one. :D
banned#32
Elevation
jaystan
Elevation
jaystan
Elevation
carsick77
I can't say I can't say I agree with the comments about Steam being unwanted. It was a welcome addition to PC gaming for myself. As others have said, its not just about patching but so much more (besides if a crap patch comes, just block the download). They allow me to download them on any connected machines as many times as I like, save all my game keys and means I don't have to use a disk drive and keep the boxes. The platform has got more and more stable over the years, they still create more and more features like Big Picture and Streaming. What I don't agree with was Origin and uPlay, they serve no purpose... they are miles away from competing with Steam (deffos uPlay) and in offer little in the way of advantages over using Steam. At least Games for Windows has gone.

It wasn't deemed necessary before we were forced to use it if we wanted to play a game we'd just paid money for in 2004 and it's just as loathed/liked now. I suppose it's a Marmite thing. Personally I'm quite capable of taking a few seconds of my time installing to my chosen custom destination in the Start menu, and don't need my hand holding (aka "Games library"). Achievements are utterly worthless, serve absolutely no purpose and in adventure games just look ridiculous - often they aren't even used for those. Steam as bloatware goes is mostly seen as a necessary evil - but when it fails to start, and also tells you "Steam cannot start in offline mode", what then? Tough luck - no game for you that you've just paid money for. Well isn't that just wonderful.....

I think what you are mistaking is that a lot of people feel like you. They don't. 75 million users is not marmite and neither is Steam loathed. In fact a lot of the time is seen as the saviour of PC gaming. Playing one game your way may be fine. Keeping track of 1500 games and their updates gets a little complicated. Anything that is so unobtrusive as Steam yet gives you so many benefits is welcome.

As I did actually say earlier - 75 million users are forced to use bloatware if they have the audacity to want to play their game they just paid for - because publishers don't really care what gamers think they'll just whack it on to Steam. I find a piece of bloatware that blocks me from playing my own game just because it throws a hissy fit and won't start up fairly obtrusive actually! And I've already put to bed the old chestnut people wheel out "heard of offline mode?". Yes I have and when that also crashes - do tell me what then? Because it's not like it's only crashed the once here, and it's also not like Steam lovers would pretend "oh that was just teething problems years ago". I also speak from the bitter experience of having my Steam account compromised and having to go through the shockingly bad process of trying to get my account back - which was made as complicated as you could possibly imagine to the point where I just gave up and started gradually buying all my Steam games again. The point here is the complete lack of choice. "Use Steam, or no game for you". That's not a choice any real gamer should be arm-locked into having to make.

I have plenty of choices when the same game is on Origin/Uplay or Drm Free. Would still use the Steam version every time, as would most of those 75 million. In most threads you will see people ask if it comes with a Steam key, that is not being forced. Again you are mistaking how you feel for how most feel. With Steam Guard on accounts being compromised shouldn't happen apart from user error.

Indie bundles are listed as 60p on here as that is what most will pay to get Steam keys even though paying a penny gets DRM Free versions. Bundles without Steam keys sell less than those that do.


You're mistaking "forced to use Steam by publishers" with "oh, must love and be totally happy with then!".

And I also noticed you failed to answer this one so please do :

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I find a piece of bloatware that blocks me from playing my own game just because it throws a hissy fit and won't start up fairly obtrusive actually! And I've already put to bed the old chestnut people wheel out "heard of offline mode?". Yes I have and when that also crashes - do tell me what then?

This is because you can't, comfortably, answer that one. :D

Did you read the part about people preferring Steam and actually asking if a game is Steam. Like I said bundles with Steam keys sell more than ones that don't. People will also happily pay $1 instead of 1p to get the game on Steam. That is not being forced by anybody no matter how you put it. People like Steam and it's uses.

Never ever had a problem playing my games.
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I can't say I can't say I agree with the comments about Steam being unwanted. It was a welcome addition to PC gaming for myself. As others have said, its not just about patching but so much more (besides if a crap patch comes, just block the download). They allow me to download them on any connected machines as many times as I like, save all my game keys and means I don't have to use a disk drive and keep the boxes. The platform has got more and more stable over the years, they still create more and more features like Big Picture and Streaming. What I don't agree with was Origin and uPlay, they serve no purpose... they are miles away from competing with Steam (deffos uPlay) and in offer little in the way of advantages over using Steam. At least Games for Windows has gone.

It wasn't deemed necessary before we were forced to use it if we wanted to play a game we'd just paid money for in 2004 and it's just as loathed/liked now. I suppose it's a Marmite thing. Personally I'm quite capable of taking a few seconds of my time installing to my chosen custom destination in the Start menu, and don't need my hand holding (aka "Games library"). Achievements are utterly worthless, serve absolutely no purpose and in adventure games just look ridiculous - often they aren't even used for those. Steam as bloatware goes is mostly seen as a necessary evil - but when it fails to start, and also tells you "Steam cannot start in offline mode", what then? Tough luck - no game for you that you've just paid money for. Well isn't that just wonderful.....

I think what you are mistaking is that a lot of people feel like you. They don't. 75 million users is not marmite and neither is Steam loathed. In fact a lot of the time is seen as the saviour of PC gaming. Playing one game your way may be fine. Keeping track of 1500 games and their updates gets a little complicated. Anything that is so unobtrusive as Steam yet gives you so many benefits is welcome.

As I did actually say earlier - 75 million users are forced to use bloatware if they have the audacity to want to play their game they just paid for - because publishers don't really care what gamers think they'll just whack it on to Steam. I find a piece of bloatware that blocks me from playing my own game just because it throws a hissy fit and won't start up fairly obtrusive actually! And I've already put to bed the old chestnut people wheel out "heard of offline mode?". Yes I have and when that also crashes - do tell me what then? Because it's not like it's only crashed the once here, and it's also not like Steam lovers would pretend "oh that was just teething problems years ago". I also speak from the bitter experience of having my Steam account compromised and having to go through the shockingly bad process of trying to get my account back - which was made as complicated as you could possibly imagine to the point where I just gave up and started gradually buying all my Steam games again. The point here is the complete lack of choice. "Use Steam, or no game for you". That's not a choice any real gamer should be arm-locked into having to make.

I have plenty of choices when the same game is on Origin/Uplay or Drm Free. Would still use the Steam version every time, as would most of those 75 million. In most threads you will see people ask if it comes with a Steam key, that is not being forced. Again you are mistaking how you feel for how most feel. With Steam Guard on accounts being compromised shouldn't happen apart from user error.

Indie bundles are listed as 60p on here as that is what most will pay to get Steam keys even though paying a penny gets DRM Free versions. Bundles without Steam keys sell less than those that do.


You're mistaking "forced to use Steam by publishers" with "oh, must love and be totally happy with then!".

And I also noticed you failed to answer this one so please do :

Elevation
I find a piece of bloatware that blocks me from playing my own game just because it throws a hissy fit and won't start up fairly obtrusive actually! And I've already put to bed the old chestnut people wheel out "heard of offline mode?". Yes I have and when that also crashes - do tell me what then?

This is because you can't, comfortably, answer that one. :D

Did you read the part about people preferring Steam and actually asking if a game is Steam. Like I said bundles with Steam keys sell more than ones that don't. People will also happily pay $1 instead of 1p to get the game on Steam. That is not being forced by anybody no matter how you put it. People like Steam and it's uses.

Never ever had a problem playing my games.

Yes and it remains a fact that every Steam user does not willingly use Steam - they use it because they're forced to use Steam. How many people when Half Life 2 came out said "oh! a piece of bloatware that unless I start that up, I can't play my own game - give me more of THAT!"
Just because you personally claim to have never had Steam crash on you, if you're only ever going to praise something you're a proponent of, you'll then be easily able to answer what you actually do to be able to play your own game when both options from Steam crash or refuse to start. Scores of others have the same problem which is why you can so easily find people and groups who hate Steam all over the place - not least in the Steam 'community' itself.

Edited By: Elevation on Jun 20, 2014 12:51
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I can't say I can't say I agree with the comments about Steam being unwanted. It was a welcome addition to PC gaming for myself. As others have said, its not just about patching but so much more (besides if a crap patch comes, just block the download). They allow me to download them on any connected machines as many times as I like, save all my game keys and means I don't have to use a disk drive and keep the boxes. The platform has got more and more stable over the years, they still create more and more features like Big Picture and Streaming. What I don't agree with was Origin and uPlay, they serve no purpose... they are miles away from competing with Steam (deffos uPlay) and in offer little in the way of advantages over using Steam. At least Games for Windows has gone.

It wasn't deemed necessary before we were forced to use it if we wanted to play a game we'd just paid money for in 2004 and it's just as loathed/liked now. I suppose it's a Marmite thing. Personally I'm quite capable of taking a few seconds of my time installing to my chosen custom destination in the Start menu, and don't need my hand holding (aka "Games library"). Achievements are utterly worthless, serve absolutely no purpose and in adventure games just look ridiculous - often they aren't even used for those. Steam as bloatware goes is mostly seen as a necessary evil - but when it fails to start, and also tells you "Steam cannot start in offline mode", what then? Tough luck - no game for you that you've just paid money for. Well isn't that just wonderful.....

I think what you are mistaking is that a lot of people feel like you. They don't. 75 million users is not marmite and neither is Steam loathed. In fact a lot of the time is seen as the saviour of PC gaming. Playing one game your way may be fine. Keeping track of 1500 games and their updates gets a little complicated. Anything that is so unobtrusive as Steam yet gives you so many benefits is welcome.

As I did actually say earlier - 75 million users are forced to use bloatware if they have the audacity to want to play their game they just paid for - because publishers don't really care what gamers think they'll just whack it on to Steam. I find a piece of bloatware that blocks me from playing my own game just because it throws a hissy fit and won't start up fairly obtrusive actually! And I've already put to bed the old chestnut people wheel out "heard of offline mode?". Yes I have and when that also crashes - do tell me what then? Because it's not like it's only crashed the once here, and it's also not like Steam lovers would pretend "oh that was just teething problems years ago". I also speak from the bitter experience of having my Steam account compromised and having to go through the shockingly bad process of trying to get my account back - which was made as complicated as you could possibly imagine to the point where I just gave up and started gradually buying all my Steam games again. The point here is the complete lack of choice. "Use Steam, or no game for you". That's not a choice any real gamer should be arm-locked into having to make.

I have plenty of choices when the same game is on Origin/Uplay or Drm Free. Would still use the Steam version every time, as would most of those 75 million. In most threads you will see people ask if it comes with a Steam key, that is not being forced. Again you are mistaking how you feel for how most feel. With Steam Guard on accounts being compromised shouldn't happen apart from user error.

Indie bundles are listed as 60p on here as that is what most will pay to get Steam keys even though paying a penny gets DRM Free versions. Bundles without Steam keys sell less than those that do.


You're mistaking "forced to use Steam by publishers" with "oh, must love and be totally happy with then!".

And I also noticed you failed to answer this one so please do :

Elevation
I find a piece of bloatware that blocks me from playing my own game just because it throws a hissy fit and won't start up fairly obtrusive actually! And I've already put to bed the old chestnut people wheel out "heard of offline mode?". Yes I have and when that also crashes - do tell me what then?

This is because you can't, comfortably, answer that one. :D

Did you read the part about people preferring Steam and actually asking if a game is Steam. Like I said bundles with Steam keys sell more than ones that don't. People will also happily pay $1 instead of 1p to get the game on Steam. That is not being forced by anybody no matter how you put it. People like Steam and it's uses.

Never ever had a problem playing my games.

Yes and it remains a fact that every Steam user does not willingly use Steam - they use it because they're forced to use Steam. How many people when Half Life 2 came out said "oh! a piece of bloatware that unless I start that up, I can't play my own game - give me more of THAT!"
Just because you personally claim to have never had Steam crash on you, if you're only ever going to praise something you're a proponent of, you'll then be easily able to answer what you actually do to be able to play your own game when both options from Steam crash or refuse to start. Scores of others have the same problem which is why you can so easily find people and groups who hate Steam all over the place - not least in the Steam 'community' itself.

Again people don't see it as bloatware and ask for Steam because of its many uses. Because you feel different doesn't make it bloatware it is a useful piece of software with many uses. Me and many other people would choose Steam every time. Versions of the same game sell more if they are on Steam as do indie bundles because people want it.

Edited By: jaystan on Jun 20, 2014 13:06
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I can't say I can't say I agree with the comments about Steam being unwanted. It was a welcome addition to PC gaming for myself. As others have said, its not just about patching but so much more (besides if a crap patch comes, just block the download). They allow me to download them on any connected machines as many times as I like, save all my game keys and means I don't have to use a disk drive and keep the boxes. The platform has got more and more stable over the years, they still create more and more features like Big Picture and Streaming. What I don't agree with was Origin and uPlay, they serve no purpose... they are miles away from competing with Steam (deffos uPlay) and in offer little in the way of advantages over using Steam. At least Games for Windows has gone.

It wasn't deemed necessary before we were forced to use it if we wanted to play a game we'd just paid money for in 2004 and it's just as loathed/liked now. I suppose it's a Marmite thing. Personally I'm quite capable of taking a few seconds of my time installing to my chosen custom destination in the Start menu, and don't need my hand holding (aka "Games library"). Achievements are utterly worthless, serve absolutely no purpose and in adventure games just look ridiculous - often they aren't even used for those. Steam as bloatware goes is mostly seen as a necessary evil - but when it fails to start, and also tells you "Steam cannot start in offline mode", what then? Tough luck - no game for you that you've just paid money for. Well isn't that just wonderful.....

I think what you are mistaking is that a lot of people feel like you. They don't. 75 million users is not marmite and neither is Steam loathed. In fact a lot of the time is seen as the saviour of PC gaming. Playing one game your way may be fine. Keeping track of 1500 games and their updates gets a little complicated. Anything that is so unobtrusive as Steam yet gives you so many benefits is welcome.

As I did actually say earlier - 75 million users are forced to use bloatware if they have the audacity to want to play their game they just paid for - because publishers don't really care what gamers think they'll just whack it on to Steam. I find a piece of bloatware that blocks me from playing my own game just because it throws a hissy fit and won't start up fairly obtrusive actually! And I've already put to bed the old chestnut people wheel out "heard of offline mode?". Yes I have and when that also crashes - do tell me what then? Because it's not like it's only crashed the once here, and it's also not like Steam lovers would pretend "oh that was just teething problems years ago". I also speak from the bitter experience of having my Steam account compromised and having to go through the shockingly bad process of trying to get my account back - which was made as complicated as you could possibly imagine to the point where I just gave up and started gradually buying all my Steam games again. The point here is the complete lack of choice. "Use Steam, or no game for you". That's not a choice any real gamer should be arm-locked into having to make.

I have plenty of choices when the same game is on Origin/Uplay or Drm Free. Would still use the Steam version every time, as would most of those 75 million. In most threads you will see people ask if it comes with a Steam key, that is not being forced. Again you are mistaking how you feel for how most feel. With Steam Guard on accounts being compromised shouldn't happen apart from user error.

Indie bundles are listed as 60p on here as that is what most will pay to get Steam keys even though paying a penny gets DRM Free versions. Bundles without Steam keys sell less than those that do.


You're mistaking "forced to use Steam by publishers" with "oh, must love and be totally happy with then!".

And I also noticed you failed to answer this one so please do :

Elevation
I find a piece of bloatware that blocks me from playing my own game just because it throws a hissy fit and won't start up fairly obtrusive actually! And I've already put to bed the old chestnut people wheel out "heard of offline mode?". Yes I have and when that also crashes - do tell me what then?

This is because you can't, comfortably, answer that one. :D

Did you read the part about people preferring Steam and actually asking if a game is Steam. Like I said bundles with Steam keys sell more than ones that don't. People will also happily pay $1 instead of 1p to get the game on Steam. That is not being forced by anybody no matter how you put it. People like Steam and it's uses.

Never ever had a problem playing my games.

Yes and it remains a fact that every Steam user does not willingly use Steam - they use it because they're forced to use Steam. How many people when Half Life 2 came out said "oh! a piece of bloatware that unless I start that up, I can't play my own game - give me more of THAT!"
Just because you personally claim to have never had Steam crash on you, if you're only ever going to praise something you're a proponent of, you'll then be easily able to answer what you actually do to be able to play your own game when both options from Steam crash or refuse to start. Scores of others have the same problem which is why you can so easily find people and groups who hate Steam all over the place - not least in the Steam 'community' itself.

Again people don't see it as bloatware and ask for Steam because of its many uses. Because you feel different doesn't make it bloatware it is a useful piece of software with many uses. Me and many other people would choose Steam every time. Versions of the same game sell more if they are on Steam as do indie bundles because people want it.

You simply can't bring yourself to answer what you're supposed to do when Steam refuses to start in normal mode and offline mode crashes. It's the evidently the most uncomfortable truth for any Steam fan X) Trying to pretend it's not an issue just because it's not been for you doesn't work either.
It's not bloatware because I say it is, it's bloatware under any definition of "bloatware". You know I might not actually mind it if I got the choice at all. But I have a manageable and realistic number of games installed on my system at any one time - I don't need my hand held by Steam. Never have, never will.
Oh and to answer my own question, in 2004 absolutely no one on Earth saw any use for Steam. Other than Valve. I would suggest typing "Steam sucks" into the "browse groups" pages at Steam. Are these all just idiots who don't understand computers? Seems like quite a few "hardly anyones" - and that's just within Steam itself - nevermind all those outside of it.
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I can't say I can't say I agree with the comments about Steam being unwanted. It was a welcome addition to PC gaming for myself. As others have said, its not just about patching but so much more (besides if a crap patch comes, just block the download). They allow me to download them on any connected machines as many times as I like, save all my game keys and means I don't have to use a disk drive and keep the boxes. The platform has got more and more stable over the years, they still create more and more features like Big Picture and Streaming. What I don't agree with was Origin and uPlay, they serve no purpose... they are miles away from competing with Steam (deffos uPlay) and in offer little in the way of advantages over using Steam. At least Games for Windows has gone.

It wasn't deemed necessary before we were forced to use it if we wanted to play a game we'd just paid money for in 2004 and it's just as loathed/liked now. I suppose it's a Marmite thing. Personally I'm quite capable of taking a few seconds of my time installing to my chosen custom destination in the Start menu, and don't need my hand holding (aka "Games library"). Achievements are utterly worthless, serve absolutely no purpose and in adventure games just look ridiculous - often they aren't even used for those. Steam as bloatware goes is mostly seen as a necessary evil - but when it fails to start, and also tells you "Steam cannot start in offline mode", what then? Tough luck - no game for you that you've just paid money for. Well isn't that just wonderful.....

I think what you are mistaking is that a lot of people feel like you. They don't. 75 million users is not marmite and neither is Steam loathed. In fact a lot of the time is seen as the saviour of PC gaming. Playing one game your way may be fine. Keeping track of 1500 games and their updates gets a little complicated. Anything that is so unobtrusive as Steam yet gives you so many benefits is welcome.

As I did actually say earlier - 75 million users are forced to use bloatware if they have the audacity to want to play their game they just paid for - because publishers don't really care what gamers think they'll just whack it on to Steam. I find a piece of bloatware that blocks me from playing my own game just because it throws a hissy fit and won't start up fairly obtrusive actually! And I've already put to bed the old chestnut people wheel out "heard of offline mode?". Yes I have and when that also crashes - do tell me what then? Because it's not like it's only crashed the once here, and it's also not like Steam lovers would pretend "oh that was just teething problems years ago". I also speak from the bitter experience of having my Steam account compromised and having to go through the shockingly bad process of trying to get my account back - which was made as complicated as you could possibly imagine to the point where I just gave up and started gradually buying all my Steam games again. The point here is the complete lack of choice. "Use Steam, or no game for you". That's not a choice any real gamer should be arm-locked into having to make.

I have plenty of choices when the same game is on Origin/Uplay or Drm Free. Would still use the Steam version every time, as would most of those 75 million. In most threads you will see people ask if it comes with a Steam key, that is not being forced. Again you are mistaking how you feel for how most feel. With Steam Guard on accounts being compromised shouldn't happen apart from user error.

Indie bundles are listed as 60p on here as that is what most will pay to get Steam keys even though paying a penny gets DRM Free versions. Bundles without Steam keys sell less than those that do.


You're mistaking "forced to use Steam by publishers" with "oh, must love and be totally happy with then!".

And I also noticed you failed to answer this one so please do :

Elevation
I find a piece of bloatware that blocks me from playing my own game just because it throws a hissy fit and won't start up fairly obtrusive actually! And I've already put to bed the old chestnut people wheel out "heard of offline mode?". Yes I have and when that also crashes - do tell me what then?

This is because you can't, comfortably, answer that one. :D

Did you read the part about people preferring Steam and actually asking if a game is Steam. Like I said bundles with Steam keys sell more than ones that don't. People will also happily pay $1 instead of 1p to get the game on Steam. That is not being forced by anybody no matter how you put it. People like Steam and it's uses.

Never ever had a problem playing my games.

Yes and it remains a fact that every Steam user does not willingly use Steam - they use it because they're forced to use Steam. How many people when Half Life 2 came out said "oh! a piece of bloatware that unless I start that up, I can't play my own game - give me more of THAT!"
Just because you personally claim to have never had Steam crash on you, if you're only ever going to praise something you're a proponent of, you'll then be easily able to answer what you actually do to be able to play your own game when both options from Steam crash or refuse to start. Scores of others have the same problem which is why you can so easily find people and groups who hate Steam all over the place - not least in the Steam 'community' itself.

Again people don't see it as bloatware and ask for Steam because of its many uses. Because you feel different doesn't make it bloatware it is a useful piece of software with many uses. Me and many other people would choose Steam every time. Versions of the same game sell more if they are on Steam as do indie bundles because people want it.

You simply can't bring yourself to answer what you're supposed to do when Steam refuses to start in normal mode and offline mode crashes. It's the evidently the most uncomfortable truth for any Steam fan X) Trying to pretend it's not an issue just because it's not been for you doesn't work either.
It's not bloatware because I say it is, it's bloatware under any definition of "bloatware". You know I might not actually mind it if I got the choice at all. But I have a manageable and realistic number of games installed on my system at any one time - I don't need my hand held by Steam. Never have, never will.
Oh and to answer my own question, in 2004 absolutely no one on Earth saw any use for Steam. Other than Valve. I would suggest typing "Steam sucks" into the "browse groups" pages at Steam. Are these all just idiots who don't understand computers? Seems like quite a few "hardly anyones" - and that's just within Steam itself - nevermind all those outside of it.

Yep. You always will get a few out of 75 million people :D

In 1980 nobody saw a use for the Internet. Go figure. Now it has become so useful and offers so much. Kind of like Steam. If it is software that helps you and most want it then it is not bloatware under any definition you may want it to be. I understand you struggled with offline mode but seriously you do have a chip on your shoulder because you couldn't understand some software ;)


Edited By: jaystan on Jun 20, 2014 21:36: edit

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