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Apologies if this has been posted before - just noticed RicherSounds are currently offering this amp at £199 via their VIP club promotion until April 2nd.

This is a decent specced budget amp for those wish to make use of 5.1 HD audio via HD-DVD/Bluray from the PS3 etc, as it handles LPCM over the HDMI.

Heres the blurb:

Dolby Digital EX & Pro Logic IIx
DTS 96/24, DTS-ES Discrete and DTS Neo:6 Processing
HDMI switching
1080p passthrough
Video upconversion to component
7 Channel High Power Amplifier Configuration
Wide Frequency Range For DVD-Audio & SACD
Pure Direct Mode
4 "SCENE" buttons for easy operation
4 Optical, 2 Coaxial inputs with 1 optical output
Front AV input with optical input
Audio delay (for lip sync) adjustment
17 DSP programmes
192 kHz / 24 bit high resolution DACs for all channels
5.1 Channel External Decoder Input
Selectable 9 band subwoofer crossover
Main L/R, Centre, Rear Centre L/R, Rear L/R Pre Outs
Assignable amplifiers for bi-amp connection
4mm Banana Plug Sockets
On Screen Display
Preset and learning remote control
Switchable outputs for "Front Presence" speakers
New YPAO (Yamaha Parametric Room Acoustic Optimizer) Automatically configures the system using a microphone placed in the sound field (microphone included)
Connection for YDS-10 iPod dock
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#1
Sizzling hot. Before anyone asks, the PS3 internally decodes all HD formats (except DTS-Master Audio) so it does not matter that this receiver does not. The fact that it has HDMI input means it will accept the PCM signal that the PS3 provides and give you HD sound. Job done.

If you don't understand that, it means that this is a bargain because it gives you HD sound in up to 7.1 for only £199!
#2
any similar decent (mid budget!) speakers to go with it (7.1. / 5.1) ??
im just reading the threads for this amp on the avforums and it rocks! and that was for 300 pounds - at this price its a steal
#3
miserablemiser;1787407
any similar decent (mid budget!) speakers to go with it (7.1. / 5.1) ??
im just reading the threads for this amp on the avforums and it rocks! and that was for 300 pounds - at this price its a steal


depends how much you want to spend...i have the kef305's and they are excellent and look nice too but they arent especially cheap (£1000rrp, i paid £600 though), these are matched to an onkyo 605amp...sounds awesome (cinemas sound **** now, i guess to be fair because their speakers have to fill a bigger void)...

the all in one systems ive heard are laughable in comparision...good if you like the boom noises to sound more like a hamster farting (i have a logitech 5.1 x540 speaker system for my pc which is ok but is laughable compared to the onkyo/kef, but then it costs 1/20th price tho)

kef do cheaper ones, other than that the tannoy f1's are good but imo dont look as nice being a traditional box design, dont really like the sound from bose, seem unbalanced wherever i've heard them (but more likely a setup prob), B&W are supposedly good but not heard them
#4
I bought some Tannoy Efx speakers to go with this amp. Superfi sell them for £150 here: http://www.superfi.co.uk/index.cfm/page/moreinfo.cfm/Product_ID/2137 so got Richer Sounds to price match them (who beat the price by £10), so I got the speakers for £140.

Or an older speaker package is: https://www.hificonfidential.co.uk/detail.asp/sku=PREMIERE
Great for the price of £225.
#5
miserablemiser
any similar decent (mid budget!) speakers to go with it (7.1. / 5.1) ??
im just reading the threads for this amp on the avforums and it rocks! and that was for 300 pounds - at this price its a steal


On a budget for speaker packages I would look at the Tannoy EFX5.1 although I haven't heard them myself, people give them favourable reviews.

Going up in price - I would look at Canton range something like the Movie CD 102 which can be had slightly cheaper importing from Germany (they're made there and its 16% tax instead of 17.5% VAT which counts in the EU)
I can vouch for these as a good wall mounted option as I have this set plus 3 x CD 50's for fronts and center.

Obviously KEFs and Mordaunt Shorts are good options too, and also you'll need to decide if you want a wallmounted setup or floorstanders.
#6
Good price on a well specced amp - Good buy, voted hot!
#7
sideysid
On a budget for speaker packages I would look at the Tannoy EFX5.1 although I haven't heard them myself, people give them favourable reviews.



I've got the EFX 5.1's and they're superb, the sub woofer is downright scarey and for such tiny speakers they pack a hell of a punch, I've got the Onkyo TXSR505 amp with it and it's da bomb. If you're interested in the Tannoys the cheapest retailer is Peter Tyson (superb service check the AV forums for details) £170 plus speaker stands.
#8
For those less 'informed' that don't know what an AV Receiver is (I know they're will be some), its the hub of your home cinema setup. Heres a decent explanation from (dare I say it) comet's website.

"These key components of a home theatre system are primarily designed to amplify sound from multiple audio sources, like a DVD player or Sky receiver. But they can also work as video switching devices, routing video signals through to your TV from a variety of different sources. The advantages of this routing approach are that when you choose, say, the DVD input on your AV receiver, the correct picture and sound immediately appear together on your screen. If you don't connect your video through your AV receiver, you'll have to first choose the right video input on your TV for pictures, and then choose the right audio input on the AV receiver for sound."
#9
miserablemiser
any similar decent (mid budget!) speakers to go with it (7.1. / 5.1) ??
im just reading the threads for this amp on the avforums and it rocks! and that was for 300 pounds - at this price its a steal


Maybe worth out checking those 5.1 Pioneer speakers (2 floorstanders + 3 satelites) from Play.com that are on offer at £109
#10
my mate owns a hi-fi shop and says that when it comes to speakers best buy british :-D
#11
[email protected]
Maybe worth out checking those 5.1 Pioneer speakers (2 floorstanders + 3 satelites) from Play.com that are on offer at £109


Yup - that might be a good budget option, but bear in mind that doesn't include a subwoofer, so that will have to be purchased separately if you wanted a full 5.1 setup.
#12
sideysid;1787891
On a budget for speaker packages I would look at the Tannoy EFX5.1 although I haven't heard them myself, people give them favourable reviews.

Going up in price - I would look at Canton range something like the Movie CD 102 which can be had slightly cheaper importing from Germany (they're made there and its 16% tax instead of 17.5% VAT which counts in the EU)
I can vouch for these as a good wall mounted option as I have this set plus 3 x CD 50's for fronts and center.

Obviously KEFs and Mordaunt Shorts are good options too, and also you'll need to decide if you want a wallmounted setup or floorstanders.


generally you cant go too wrong with Tannoy speakers (just sold some Tannoy Mercurys 2's which are about 20 years old...still going strong)
#13
ANyone know where I can pick up some satelite speakers cheaply. I boughtthe acoustic solutions 5.1 bundle that was reduced in richer sounds from £39.99 to £9.99 almost two years ago. I broke one of the speakers and stupidly churcked the rest in the bin. I still have the subwoofer but need a set of speakers. Perhaps ti's just to just throw the subwoofer away too now and get a whole new set.
#14
[email protected];1788061
Maybe worth out checking those 5.1 Pioneer speakers (2 floorstanders + 3 satelites) from Play.com that are on offer at £109

tannoy's are alot better tho for a little more
#15
Neiliboy
my mate owns a hi-fi shop and says that when it comes to speakers best buy british :-D


in other words dont buy the pioneers and stick with the Tannoys :-)
#16
anyone know if richersounds do any packages with this that includes speakers as i heard that you can get them to throw in speakers packages for not that much more
#17
if i use this with my hd dvd xbox 360 drive will i still get hd sound?
#18
flexo786
anyone know if richersounds do any packages with this that includes speakers as i heard that you can get them to throw in speakers packages for not that much more


There won't be any packages with this amp I suspect, as its already a special offer. You could go in and try your luck when buying a speaker package at the same time, and ask for a cheeky tenner off or so but I doubt it.
#19
roadie
if i use this with my hd dvd xbox 360 drive will i still get hd sound?


No because the 360 decodes the HD audio codecs and downsamples them so they can be output through the optical connection. Even the elite does this.

If using the drive on a media pc on the other hand... it'll eventually be possible.
#20
so the xbox 360 decodeds hd sound?
#21
FunkiestMonkey
Sizzling hot. Before anyone asks, the PS3 internally decodes all HD formats (except DTS-Master Audio) so it does not matter that this receiver does not. The fact that it has HDMI input means it will accept the PCM signal that the PS3 provides and give you HD sound. Job done.

If you don't understand that, it means that this is a bargain because it gives you HD sound in up to 7.1 for only £199!


IGNORE ALL I WROTE BELOW - I STAND CORRECTED:
All that information is very, very wrong.

The PS3 most certainly does NOT decode all HD formats. What would be the point? After decoding what would it squirt down the HDMI lead? No, what it will do (if your amp doesn;t suppor the HD audio formats - and this yamah does NOT) is "convert" the HD audio into regular Dolby or DTS 5.1.
#22
sideysid
Yup - that might be a good budget option, but bear in mind that doesn't include a subwoofer, so that will have to be purchased separately if you wanted a full 5.1 setup.


With decent floorstanding main speakers you shouldn't need a subwoofer, as they'll produce more integrated and better sounding bass that one of the cheap "thump boxes" that you get with a budget 5.1 system. However, I've never heard the Pioneers, so can't comment personally on their performance. I have Mission speaker set (including floorstanding 703e's as my mains), and tried several seperate subwoofers - REL quakes were the best, but expensive and I got to say that the bass never seemed as tight as just leaving it to the 703e's (though some people just like a low level thud to impress their mates).
#23
this does not produce HD sound...lol
u look at the amps that actually do offer HD true sound there about £800.look at the link visit richer sounds and see the options under HD.

this is what u want for true HD sound.
Are DTS HRA or MA included? DTS-HD High Resolution Audio delivers sound even more accurate and consistent than standard DTS. It has been designed to extract the most from HD-DVD and Blu-ray. DTS-HD Master Audio takes this one step further and is capable of delivering audio that is bit-for-bit identical to the original.
#24
roadie
so the xbox 360 decodeds hd sound?


well yes it decodes it but as optical can't handle HD audio format bitrate, the xbox has to downsample it so its not lossless like LPCM via HDMI.
#25
right so downsample meaning is quality lost?!
#26
AGAIN - IGNORE MY POST BELOW:
Can someone please edit this deal?
This amp will not give anybody HD audio from anything and is misleading.
#27
wewontgetfooleda
this does not produce HD sound...lol
u look at the amps that actually do offer HD true sound there about £800.look at the link visit richer sounds and see the options under HD.

this is what u want for true HD sound.
Are DTS HRA or MA included? DTS-HD High Resolution Audio delivers sound even more accurate and consistent than standard DTS. It has been designed to extract the most from HD-DVD and Blu-ray. DTS-HD Master Audio takes this one step further and is capable of delivering audio that is bit-for-bit identical to the original.


That's not strictly correct (the Onkyo605 can be bought for about £335 and processes HD audio formats.
However, any amp with analogue multi-channel inputs can output HD audio (if the input is HD, such as from the Toshiba EP35 & XE1) as the media device processes the HDaudio and outputs it in analogue to the amp - all the amp does is amplify the preprocessed signal and output to the speakers.
#28
wewontgetfooleda
this does not produce HD sound...lol
u look at the amps that actually do offer HD true sound there about £800.look at the link visit richer sounds and see the options under HD.

this is what u want for true HD sound.
Are DTS HRA or MA included? DTS-HD High Resolution Audio delivers sound even more accurate and consistent than standard DTS. It has been designed to extract the most from HD-DVD and Blu-ray. DTS-HD Master Audio takes this one step further and is capable of delivering audio that is bit-for-bit identical to the original.


Erm...nope. I never said it decodes TrueHD and DTS-HD, it can however accept LPCM of those formats (previously decoded signal from the source). So yes that would be lossless HD audio.
#29
bradleysmith
Can someone please edit this deal?
This amp will not give anybody HD audio from anything and is misleading.


:roll:
#30
bradleysmith
All that information is very, very wrong.

No, YOU are wrong.

FunkiestMonkey is quite correct - the PS3 will decode Dolby HD Audio internally, and pass it to this Yamaha amp for output, via HDMI.
bradleysmith
The PS3 most certainly does NOT decode all HD formats. What would be the point?

That is exactly what it does :thinking:

Once the PS3 has decoded the audio, it sends the decoded 7.1 bitstream losslessly via HDMI ... which this amp will then receive and play !
bradleysmith
After decoding what would it squirt down the HDMI lead?

Uncompressed 7.1 PCM :roll:
bradleysmith

No, what it will do (if your amp doesn;t suppor the HD audio formats - and this yamah does NOT) is "convert" the HD audio into regular Dolby or DTS 5.1.

You are wrong.

Please do some research before confusing people with nonsense posts !

This Yamaha amp most certainly will playback Dolby HD Audio decoded on a PS3
#31
roadie
right so downsample meaning is quality lost?!


Yes, although it would still be at a higher bit rate than standard DD audio.
On the likes of the HD-DVD/Bluray players i.e the PS3, they would decode the HD audio tracks within the source then output this via HDMI which is lossless and can fit a greater amount of data than an optical connection.
#32
bradleysmith
Can someone please edit this deal?
This amp will not give anybody HD audio from anything and is misleading.


You are wrong. Stop posting mis-information.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=770354
#33
Neiliboy;1788162
in other words dont buy the pioneers and stick with the Tannoys :-)

have to agree its one area where the uk still excels....tannoy, Kef, arcam, nad are just some of the quality names of uk av/hifi makers...
#34
Apologies to Nom and whoever!
The internet is full of wrong information and I just added to it!

That's pretty amazing stuff and beings the price of multichannel HD audio way down!

EDIT - I've edited my original posts to indicate their inaccuracy.
#35
bradleysmith
Apologies to Nom and whoever!
The internet is full of wrong information and I just added to it!

That's pretty amazing stuff and beings the price of multichannel HD audio way down!


Which is why I posted the deal - apology accepted. :thumbsup:
#36
Nom
No, YOU are wrong.

FunkiestMonkey is quite correct - the PS3 will decode Dolby HD Audio internally, and pass it to this Yamaha amp for output, via HDMI.

That is exactly what it does :thinking:

Once the PS3 has decoded the audio, it sends the decoded 7.1 bitstream losslessly via HDMI ... which this amp will then receive and play !

Uncompressed 7.1 PCM :roll:

You are wrong.

Please do some research before confusing people with nonsense posts !

This Yamaha amp most certainly will playback Dolby HD Audio decoded on a PS3


I think a lot are confused as almost all cheap amps don't accept audio over HDMI (normally the HDMI is just a switch), but apparently Yamaha use repeaters on all their amps and so this does indeed accept a PCM signal.
So, to recap this amp can accept HD-DTS or trueHD in either of the following ways: annalogue multichannel or HDMI PCM.
However, it doesn't decode HD-DTS or trueHD itself, so the format would need to be decoded by the source rather than by the amp..........which isn't a problem as very few sources actually output HD-DTS or trueHD bitstream unprocessed.
#37
sideysid
Which is why I posted the deal - apology accepted. :thumbsup:

:thumbsup:

So, the only reason you wouldn't want your PS3 to decode this to PCM and feed that to your amp is if:

A. Your amp didn't support multi-channel PCM

or

B. Your amp had a better decoder than the PS3

Is that correct?
#38
bradleysmith
Apologies to Nom and whoever!
The internet is full of wrong information and I just added to it!

That's pretty amazing stuff and beings the price of multichannel HD audio way down!

EDIT - I've edited my original posts to indicate their inaccuracy.


I would say it's quite an understandable mistake, as logic would dictate that both source and amp should process HD audio, whereas in reality you only really need either to do so.
#39
bradleysmith
:thumbsup:

So, the only reason you wouldn't want your PS3 to decode this to PCM and feed that to your amp is if:

A. Your amp didn't support multi-channel PCM

or

B. Your amp had a better decoder than the PS3

Is that correct?


Just to add to the confusion the PS3 won't output either format over bitstream, so you're stuck with PCM anyway - doh, nice one SONY!

However, it can decode all of the audio formats (except HD DTS) and send via PCM - with HD DTS the PS3 decodes the 'core' DTS from DTS HD and effectively outputs DTS up to it's max bitrate of 1.5mb.
#40
[email protected]
I would say it's quite an understandable mistake, as logic would dictate that both source and amp should process HD audio, whereas in reality you only really need either to do so.


Its been the case for years, as even on standard DVD players you can output via 'bitstream/SPDIF RAW' (coaxial/optical) which means the receiver will be decoding it instead of the player.

This matters less with HD audio as its lossless, so even though the greater surround processing of a quality receiver will have over the source wouldn't in theory matter.

If you go up to something like the Onkyo 705 however then you can then not only decode the next gen audio tracks like the 605, but you can matrix the back channels (i.e process a 5.1 HD track into 7.1)

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