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2 bookshelf speakers. Cheapest I could find, Can also be found for the same price on audiovisual online's ebay profile if people feel more comfortable buying from there.

I can get a second hand set of Wharfedale Diamond 9.0 Speakers for about £40 from ebay; which would be the better set to go for?
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#1
I would say the Wharfedales personally, as Wharfedale have a heritage in making speakers and the diamond range have always got good reviews for budget speakers.

Yamaha usually produce cheap surround sound speakers sets and speaker bars, with their main Audio business being AV Receivers, same with Onkyo....would not surprise me if they have OEM speakers branded just for extra revenue.

BTW if you do not want to opt for second hand speakers, Richer Sounds have Wharfedale 9.0s for £59.99

Edited By: cicobuff on Jun 15, 2011 11:37: further info.
#2
Thanks for the advice, put in an offer for the Wharfedale's on ebay. Was originally going to get a set of sony bookshelf speakers, but then heard a few reviews that the sound wasn't really up to scratch.

I just need to replace the front speakers for my yamaha system; the amp and sub are fine, but the 4 satellite speakers leave a lot to be desired. I mainly use it for music, which I know isn't ideal use for a 5.1 system, so figured I'd just replace the fronts for now.

Saw the offer on richer sounds, but there isn't one nearby to me, and they slap on £7 for delivery so figured I'd just go for a cheaper set.
#3
yos2008
Thanks for the advice, put in an offer for the Wharfedale's on ebay. Was originally going to get a set of sony bookshelf speakers, but then heard a few reviews that the sound wasn't really up to scratch.

I just need to replace the front speakers for my yamaha system; the amp and sub are fine, but the 4 satellite speakers leave a lot to be desired. I mainly use it for music, which I know isn't ideal use for a 5.1 system, so figured I'd just replace the fronts for now.

Saw the offer on richer sounds, but there isn't one nearby to me, and they slap on £7 for delivery so figured I'd just go for a cheaper set.


Seriously you would be better going for a speaker manufacturers speakers rather than any AV Manufacturers speakers (Denon, Sony, Onkyo, Yamaha, Pioneer etc) let those manufacturers stick to what they do best, producing AV Receivers.

I know Wharfedale have been seen on the likes of Argos selling all kinds of crap, sadly Argos have got the rights to the Wharedale name for their chinese crap to be rebranded. The Wharfedale speaker division however (even though no longer british) still is separate, and still produces quality budget to mid range speakers.
#4
Yamaha make some fantastic, truly high-end speakers not to mention the NS10M world-renowned monitors. These are probably as good as most things around that price bracket and are perpetually all over eBay for this sort of money (and more).

Mike.
#5
Flimber
Yamaha make some fantastic, truly high-end speakers not to mention the NS10M world-renowned monitors. These are probably as good as most things around that price bracket and are perpetually all over eBay for this sort of money (and more).

Mike.


You mean the infamous 1980s speakers, I truly hope speakers have moved on since then, even at the budget end of the spectrum.
#6
The wharfedsle 9.0 are aimed at rear surround. It's the 9.1s which are decent bookshelf. I think superfi had some on for about 80 quid yesterday
#7
The best bookshelf speakers I've ever had were - Acoustic Energy Evo 1's. I've seen them on eBay for as little as £20, but you can't buy them new anymore.
#8
So you're saying the Wharfedsle 9.0 wouldn't be suited as mains?

The Acoustic Energy Evo 1 seem to be selling for around £150. Looking for something near the £50 price mark, but I'm not sure what to go with now!
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yos2008
So you're saying the Wharfedsle 9.0 wouldn't be suited as mains?

The Acoustic Energy Evo 1 seem to be selling for around £150. Looking for something near the £50 price mark, but I'm not sure what to go with now!


The Wharfedale 9.0s are not soley aimed as rear surround, they are compact bookshelf speakers, most decent manufacturers do compact bookshelf as well as standmounts, which is what their 9.1 Speakers are.

It all depends on the size of your room and placement. In my lounge which is 14 foot I have standmount Mission V61 speakers (150mm bass cone, 25mm tweeter), however I do not have them on standmounts due to lack of floor space. I instead have them with (due to the depth of them) side clamped wall mounted speaker brackets.

The Wharfedale 9.1s have 130mm bass cones and 25mm tweeters, as opposed to the "true compact" bookshelf speakers of the 9.0s which have 100mm bass cones and 25mm tweeters.

Obviously for larger size rooms, standard compact bookshelf speakers are taken into account for rear surrounds paired with larger standmount/and/or floorstanding speakers.

I like to listen to music on my Marantz Receiver in pure direct mode (2.0) switching off all other circuitry in the amp for the best possible sound for a receiver as opposed to a dedicated 2 channel amplifier. By doing this obviously I do not have my subwoofer operational to weight any bass (usually gives more of an unnatural weight to 2 channel music anyway) therefore I am happy with the extra "weight" in bass that my larger size (in comparision to the room size) gives me.

So to sum up....what size is your room? What receiver are you using? Is sonic fidelity important to you listening in 2 channel sound? Or do you prefer the enhancement features of your receiver to give extra bass?

If you are primarily using your receiver for music over surround sound, then these thought require careful consideration, to add further, if you have a 7.1 channel receiver and have a 5 channel set up, would you intend on bi-amping the front speakers, if so then obviously bi-wireable speakers are a consideration...9.0s are not, 9.1s are.
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cicobuff
yos2008
So you're saying the Wharfedsle 9.0 wouldn't be suited as mains?

The Acoustic Energy Evo 1 seem to be selling for around £150. Looking for something near the £50 price mark, but I'm not sure what to go with now!


The Wharfedale 9.0s are not soley aimed as rear surround, they are compact bookshelf speakers, most decent manufacturers do compact bookshelf as well as standmounts, which is what their 9.1 Speakers are.

It all depends on the size of your room and placement. In my lounge which is 14 foot I have standmount Mission V61 speakers (150mm bass cone, 25mm tweeter), however I do not have them on standmounts due to lack of floor space. I instead have them with (due to the depth of them) side clamped wall mounted speaker brackets.

The Wharfedale 9.1s have 130mm bass cones and 25mm tweeters, as opposed to the "true compact" bookshelf speakers of the 9.0s which have 100mm bass cones and 25mm tweeters.

Obviously for larger size rooms, standard compact bookshelf speakers are taken into account for rear surrounds paired with larger standmount/and/or floorstanding speakers.

I like to listen to music on my Marantz Receiver in pure direct mode (2.0) switching off all other circuitry in the amp for the best possible sound for a receiver as opposed to a dedicated 2 channel amplifier. By doing this obviously I do not have my subwoofer operational to weight any bass (usually gives more of an unnatural weight to 2 channel music anyway) therefore I am happy with the extra "weight" in bass that my larger size (in comparision to the room size) gives me.

So to sum up....what size is your room? What receiver are you using? Is sonic fidelity important to you listening in 2 channel sound? Or do you prefer the enhancement features of your receiver to give extra bass?

If you are primarily using your receiver for music over surround sound, then these thought require careful consideration, to add further, if you have a 7.1 channel receiver and have a 5 channel set up, would you intend on bi-amping the front speakers, if so then obviously bi-wireable speakers are a consideration...9.0s are not, 9.1s are.



I'd just like to start by saying thanks for the time to write up this comment, really appreciate it.

I've got my system set up in a bedroom rather than a larger living room, it's hooked up to my tv (optical) and laptop (hdmi); it's mostly used for music though, not overly fussed about having 5 channels as very little music is actually released in this format. I'm using a yamaha htr-3063 (5.1 receiver) and the supplied speakers. The deal was on hukd as a matter of fact; http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/yamaha-yht294-5-1-av-receiver-speaker-system-3d-ready-1-4hdmi-199-95-bestbuy/947656#comments

Music through straight mode sounds very "flat", differentiation between different instruments is a lot easier and "richer" sounding with the enchancer, but it still feels like there's something missing. I don't think the amp can accept 7.1, but I wouldn't be overly bothered about losing the two rears if there's a big improvement in bi-amping.

Thanks for describing the difference between the 9.0 and 9.1, couldn't find much information about the 9.0s online. So would the bass be the main difference between the two? And would this be a noticeable difference in a small room environment at mid-range volumes?
#11
yos2008
cicobuff
yos2008
So you're saying the Wharfedsle 9.0 wouldn't be suited as mains?

The Acoustic Energy Evo 1 seem to be selling for around £150. Looking for something near the £50 price mark, but I'm not sure what to go with now!


The Wharfedale 9.0s are not soley aimed as rear surround, they are compact bookshelf speakers, most decent manufacturers do compact bookshelf as well as standmounts, which is what their 9.1 Speakers are.

It all depends on the size of your room and placement. In my lounge which is 14 foot I have standmount Mission V61 speakers (150mm bass cone, 25mm tweeter), however I do not have them on standmounts due to lack of floor space. I instead have them with (due to the depth of them) side clamped wall mounted speaker brackets.

The Wharfedale 9.1s have 130mm bass cones and 25mm tweeters, as opposed to the "true compact" bookshelf speakers of the 9.0s which have 100mm bass cones and 25mm tweeters.

Obviously for larger size rooms, standard compact bookshelf speakers are taken into account for rear surrounds paired with larger standmount/and/or floorstanding speakers.

I like to listen to music on my Marantz Receiver in pure direct mode (2.0) switching off all other circuitry in the amp for the best possible sound for a receiver as opposed to a dedicated 2 channel amplifier. By doing this obviously I do not have my subwoofer operational to weight any bass (usually gives more of an unnatural weight to 2 channel music anyway) therefore I am happy with the extra "weight" in bass that my larger size (in comparision to the room size) gives me.

So to sum up....what size is your room? What receiver are you using? Is sonic fidelity important to you listening in 2 channel sound? Or do you prefer the enhancement features of your receiver to give extra bass?

If you are primarily using your receiver for music over surround sound, then these thought require careful consideration, to add further, if you have a 7.1 channel receiver and have a 5 channel set up, would you intend on bi-amping the front speakers, if so then obviously bi-wireable speakers are a consideration...9.0s are not, 9.1s are.



I'd just like to start by saying thanks for the time to write up this comment, really appreciate it.

I've got my system set up in a bedroom rather than a larger living room, it's hooked up to my tv (optical) and laptop (hdmi); it's mostly used for music though, not overly fussed about having 5 channels as very little music is actually released in this format. I'm using a yamaha htr-3063 (5.1 receiver) and the supplied speakers. The deal was on hukd as a matter of fact; http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/yamaha-yht294-5-1-av-receiver-speaker-system-3d-ready-1-4hdmi-199-95-bestbuy/947656#comments

Music through straight mode sounds very "flat", differentiation between different instruments is a lot easier and "richer" sounding with the enchancer, but it still feels like there's something missing. I don't think the amp can accept 7.1, but I wouldn't be overly bothered about losing the two rears if there's a big improvement in bi-amping.

Thanks for describing the difference between the 9.0 and 9.1, couldn't find much information about the 9.0s online. So would the bass be the main difference between the two? And would this be a noticeable difference in a small room environment at mid-range volumes?


You're welcome, thanks for being politely courteous too, don't see much of that these days on HUKD, I enjoy discussing hi-fi and it's a vast world of learning with it.

Unfortunately, you would not be able to bi-amp with a 5.1 amp, you need a 7,1 system and switch over the 2 channels to bi-amp, and bi-wire...so unless you were considering upgrading your receiver, that rules a biwireable speaker set out anyway...it is not the be all end all. If you could have bi amped, feeding both the tweeter and bass dome seperately does improve sound seperation though.

If your room is small, then stand mount speakers could possibly be overkill, so compact bookshelf would be in that instance more suitable, with the bass being sufficiently tight and not overkill with the lack of surface area around it.

You will notice a difference with speakers as opposed to satellites for sure, however if your music is being played via your laptop in mp3 format you are never going to have as "rich" an experience as with a dedicated cd player fed through your amp, but then thats where the fun begins in hi-fi and the prices keep going up and up and up!

If as you say there still feels like something lacking with the artificial enhancing of your music, this can be down to two things the source i.e mp3 over proper uncompressed audio, as well as the artificial processing your receiver gives, and if the RX-367 you have has a pure/source direct mode, with decent enough speakers and a decent input you will notice a more natural sound than what you are getting now, depending on your choice of music too though.
#12
Not sure if I'll get any replies but let's hope for the best!

How would this compare with a budget amp with a PC system for music mainly and streams secondary as opposed to a 2.1 PC speaker system at around £60-100 for a small 3x5m bedroom?

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