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banned#1
so nobody who works for a supermarket in whatever capacity can post a deal for the supermarket they work at?
banned#2
sassie;2956660
so nobody who works for a supermarket in whatever capacity can post a deal for the supermarket they work at?

nope...


I was suspended 1st week or so for posting Screwfix deals....so I cant anymore, if its gonna be this way, then has to apply to everyone to be fair
[admin]#3
If you stock the shelves we probably care less than if you are in the marketing department.

As said if we think someone is promoting then we ask them to follow the simple step of notifying us so we can review. This is not much to ask and prevents any spam.
[HUKD Blog Network]#4
I think its obvious that the "consumers" on HUKD support micflairs "heads up" and to be honest i have lost count of the number of times i have seen tip offs posted from people working for supermarkerts, thorntons etc without any apparent problems.
With regards to workers using the "contact us" form where "valid deals will be eagerly posted", i feel it is rather patronizing to feel the need to vet deals where there is no gain, financial or otherwise to the OP or any risk to the buyer but that is merely my opinion-it is your site after all :)
banned#5
Admin
If you stock the shelves we probably care less than if you are in the marketing department.

As said if we think someone is promoting then we ask them to follow the simple step of notifying us so we can review. This is not much to ask and prevents any spam.


how can it be promoting if someone gains nothing, totally confused
[admin]#6
karri123 we appreciate micflairs heads up too. That's great if we could always get these tips.

I'm sure you understand that we are not willing to open up that floodgate though. Again if we respectfully ask someone to pass further tips by us before promoting them we would hope that would be observed rather than mocked.
#7
So what you are saying is basically you can`t post a deal if you work for the Company selling the item?
Inside information has always been allowed in the past, what about the member who worked for Tesco(can`t remember his name) he posted hundreds of deals & discount tips, nothing was ever said then!
Also why did it take a week to realise micflair worked for Morrisons (he even stated it in his post) so wasn`t trying to hide it.
#8
I apprecciate your thread to inform and clarify things.
Can I ask please what is the purpose / benefit of this decision? I fail to understand the validity of the argument.

if is about having and advantage point when posting then a rule could be set that if you work there then you will receive no or limited heat?? If you have to agree to it first fair enought but then if agreed why not allow the OP to post it themselves?

If you post it on behalf of the OP would you mention it and would you get heat from it??
#10
How will mods validate a deal that hasn't started yet? as in this case?
#11

Good call :thumbsup:
[helper]#12
sassie
how can it be promoting if someone gains nothing, totally confused


The problem is how can admin or the mods know they are not gaining? Its pretty much commonsense if its a big company like Tescos ( I seem to remember Saxo having the same issue) but what if its a smaller company. I think the issue here is consistency.

The mods are often accused of inconsistency so how can they say its okay to post Tesco deals if you work for Tesco but not post deals for Joe Blog superstore if you work for Joe Blogs?

Rock and a hard place....
#13


Brilliant!!! Rep for you!
[admin]#14
We're not validating a deal greg_68 we're just making sure it really is a deal. The problem with promotion is that people tend to post **** rather than what is actually good. As long as it is a good deal it will go live.

The best source for inside tips is obviously going to be the people working at a company. We don't want to cut that off. We just want to make sure the site doesn't turn into a bunch of companies promoting their stuff instead of consumers recommending what they have spotted. That's why when we see promotion happening we ask those involved to work with us to make sure that what they want to put up is genuinely of value.
#15
gari189
The problem is how can admin or the mods know they are not gaining? Its pretty much commonsense if its a big company like Tescos ( I seem to remember Saxo having the same issue) but what if its a smaller company. I think the issue here is consistency.

The mods are often accused of inconsistency so how can they say its okay to post Tesco deals if you work for Tesco but not post deals for Joe Blog superstore if you work for Joe Blogs?

Rock and a hard place....


Saxo, thats the name I was looking for! :thumbsup: He posted hundreds of Tesco deals whilst employed by them.
banned#16
gari189
The problem is how can admin or the mods know they are not gaining? Its pretty much commonsense if its a big company like Tescos ( I seem to remember Saxo having the same issue) but what if its a smaller company. I think the issue here is consistency.

The mods are often accused of inconsistency so how can they say its okay to post Tesco deals if you work for Tesco but not post deals for Joe Blog superstore if you work for Joe Blogs?

Rock and a hard place....


i suppose the same way you can say you can promote thorntons but not morrisons
[HUKD Blog Network]#17
Admin, i really do hope you do not think my intention was to "mock" you or this site. I think this site is great and i respect many ideals that you hold i.e. no banners/advertisments on HUKD.

However, i really do think that there are double standards being applied here. While i appreciate that the mods have a tough job, if there is no risk to the buyer and no gain to the poster, i really do fail to see where the problem lies.
1 Like #18
Admin
We're not validating a deal greg_68 we're just making sure it really is a deal. The problem with promotion is that people tend to post **** rather than what is actually good. As long as it is a good deal it will go live.

The best source for inside tips is obviously going to be the people working at a company. We don't want to cut that off. We just want to make sure the site doesn't turn into a bunch of companies promoting their stuff instead of consumers recommending what they have spotted. That's why when we see promotion happening we ask those involved to work with us to make sure that what they want to put up is genuinely of value.


On a lighter note i have had to report your post for trying to get around the swear filter. :-D
#19
Admin could you please answer the questions I have posted??

I apprecciate your thread to inform and clarify things.
Can I ask please what is the purpose / benefit of this decision? I fail to understand the validity of the argument.

if is about having and advantage point when posting then a rule could be set that if you work there then you will receive no or limited heat?? If you have to agree to it first fair enought but then if agreed why not allow the OP to post it themselves?

If you post it on behalf of the OP would you mention it and would you get heat from it??
#20
Absolute stupidity! don't contradict your rules!!! Micflair does not stand to profit from his post! so fap!!!
banned#21
Bikebarbie
Admin could you please answer the questions I have posted??



If you post it on behalf of the OP would you mention it and would you get heat from it??


this has been asked before, by myself i believe, and the aswer is no and yes
[admin]#22
karri123 I didn't mean you - I mean the OP in this case.

Just backing up for a second here. I hope we have shown we are reasonable in this case. The deal was posted we knew it was from someone at Morrisons. We figured no problem it is not self-promo. This deal then turned into more posting from the same person. At this point we decided to notify the poster that the boards are not for promoting your company and that we would need to have further deals screened by us.

At this point I would hope the person in question would say sure no problem I'll pass them by you in the future. Instead we received pretty much exactly the opposite reaction. That erodes any faith we have that the poster is willing to work within the rules of this site.
[admin]#23
Regarding heat/credit. That's irrelevant to the rule. Happy to give credit or let the poster do their thing in this case. The point is they needed to be in conversation with us.
#24
Admin
Regarding heat/credit. That's irrelevant to the rule. Happy to give credit or let the poster do their thing in this case. The point is they needed to be in conversation with us.


was this meant for me?? Why am I being ignored? :?

I dont think heat is irrelevant at all. It's the principle. Why should someone get the heat when they are just posting on behalf of someone else? Are you saying that there is no rule about heat in this case: " happy to give credit..." so is at discretion??
[admin]#25
As an aside I understand that the emphasis on no self-promo is probably not so burning to you guys as it is to the mods. We are removing literally hundreds of self-promo posts from the site. Look on google groups or something to see what a forum looks like otherwise. This isn't just small no-name merchants but every big name you can probably think of. We have a lot of traffic on this site and a lot of marketing/sales/purchasing departments try stuff on.

The reason HUKD stays useful is because you can trust the postings to be real recommendations and not from someone with an interest.
#26
Personally i think you being pedantic regarding this rule. If he has shares in morrisons maybe he gain indirectly but believe by time its filter down to management it counts for not a lot. NOt like he on the board of directors.
What ppl are angry at is too much lately people have been hung, drawn and quarter for misdemeanors.........when in the past a select few have blatantly ignored rules and trolled , threads, bullied people, incited trouble and hatred.

If it was Cosmic stardust sweet emporoium i would get it, but its morrisons a large organisation. Theres abiding by the rules and theres abiding by rules but this is a little far fetched as general consesus shows
banned#27
admin should i find some more links from members you allow to post for their companies?
[admin]#28
To be honest Bikebarbie most merchants just want the deal up they don't care about getting reputation for it so it's not something that's asked for. I'm saying in a case like this if micflair's problem is he wants the credit/heat that's fine and not an issue. The point still remains he needs to be in conversation with us.
#29
hukd don;2956820
so fap!!!


I wonder how many understand that ;)
#30
I know King Antonius works for game and said it openly, but still managed to product very hot deals with his "inside knowledge"

http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/229068/who-wants-to-be-a-millionaire-buzz-/
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/170302/instore-at-game-official-360-play-a/
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/170310/pre-owned-official-360-media-remote/
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/157681/pre-owned-xbox-360-core-110-instore/
http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/221144/pre-owned-gameboy-advance-98p-insto/

edi;1722452
Which store did you spot this King Antonius ? :)

King Antonius;1722473
The one i work in (Dumfries :P )

It should be nationwide.
#31
V1NNYC
Depends on the store and the size of the store, if they have room they will put it out if not then more than likeley it is hidden away in the back somewhere



http://www.hotukdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234589 this is evidence too
#32
I am confused :?

Fist you send a clear message by saying
We do want to support those with inside info and tips on what is hot at their company

but then you add:
The best source for inside tips is obviously going to be the people working at a company. We don't want to cut that off

:?

then again you refer to
most merchants just want the deal up they don't care about getting reputation

most forum members are just normal people not merchants, obviously if they were merchants then most of us would agree with you.
[HUKD Blog Network]#33
Thanks for that and i can understand what youre saying but inside info is often posted by employees with no apparent problem, so it seems that the problem is with micflair and not the actual deal?

I genuinely believe if there is no risk or gain to either party it should be left to the memebrs to decide (via the hot/ cold) what is valid/worthwhile. As i have said though, i appreciate what you are trying to do but personally would appreciate a little more consistency to be shown.
#34
I just can't believe how stupid admin are being about the micflair thing... when other users of this site are taking the ****, selling a £12 game for £21!

http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/242331/guitar-hero-on-tour-ds-game
#35
INCONSISTENT as usual
[admin]#36
As said Bikebarbie anyone no matter how deeply involved or self interested can let us know about the deal and we will screen it for them. That's our reassurance that the board stays clean of promotion yet people can still let us know info even if they're involved.

That's all we ask and as said I don't think it's unreasonable.
#37
hukd don;2957084
I just can't believe how stupid admin are being about the micflair thing... when other users of this site are taking the ****, selling a £12 game for £21!

http://www.hotukdeals.com/item/242331/guitar-hero-on-tour-ds-game


I personally don't think it's fair you've gone and ruined that person's thread over the debacle.

But now the posts have been deleted >.<
[admin]#38
karri123 our consistency is that where we feel the promotional line is being crossed we ask the member to talk to us before posting. This isn't banning deals, it's asking them to contact us so we can make sure things are ok. That is what we consistently do in all cases where we feel the promotional line is being crossed.

If this request is ignored then we have to take the next step of banning deals as we are unable to have that member reassure us they are not promoting.
[HUKD Blog Network]#39
Fair enough, i guess if youre saying that all members who post deals on behalf of their company are contacted and work in conjuction with HUKD, then i have to take your word for that and as i have no reason to doubt you i will now stop getting my knickers in a twist and go and watch a (HUKD bought!) dvd with my lovely husband! :-D

Happy bargain hunting all! :thumbsup:
#40
emasu

But now the posts have been deleted >.<


Just like are banter on here... no doubt this will be deleted. Censorship as usual...

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